To people who enjoy speedrunning...

Azuramoonstar

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

munster1404 wrote: »

I find speedrunners incredibly annoying. Frankly, >1hr dungeon runs means nothing when I follow a work schedule that basically grants me 14 to 16 off days every month. I am one of those gamers who are in for the long haul the moment they turn on the computer.

Regardless whether it's the 1st or 100th run, I always prefer taking it slow. Even reading or listening to quest dialogues for the umpteenth time doesn't diminish the experience. Tbh, I find it so frustrating whenever PUGs type "skip" in chat.

@munster1404 So you're one of the very few people who has a blessedly lax work schedule and can afford to throw away thousands of collective hours of time achieving nothing when you could be achieving something. What is your point?

it is not up to up to you to dictate what that person enjoys or not. Or the worth of their time. You can only control you, and have 0 reason to claim a person wastes their time, simple because they have more then you.

everyone plays games tp waste time. Some have more time then others. No need to be rude or bitter.

Azuramoonstar

Guarlet wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

If people express their intent at the beginning of the dungeon (i need the quest, lets do this quick and skip trash) there isnt an issue. Both sides of the coin are wrong here if you spend more time complaining than having fun.

But, the only people complaining here are those that wish to go slower lol. It's not two-sided. And yes one should express their intent at the beginning of the dungeon if they want to go slower, but shouldn't have unrealistic expectations that a group of 100% random players who have their own schedules will always cater to them. That's why people are telling them to form their own groups if they want a guarantee.

both sides are complaining, tbh i see the speed runners doing most of the complaining as they are demanding their way of play. The non speed runners are just asking for their right of play too. In most cases it goes by a majority. Best do communication at start to see what the group wants vs auto pilot.

This way it goes by the majority. In most mmo the lowest level/newest group member sets the pace. If tank is new a slower run is better so they learn how to play there role. Same for the healer. Dps are easier to pick up and play to a point.

but if you are dealing with a new to game tank/healer they are not going to know how to play in groups. How their skills work in group settings.

It is also basic courtesy to move as a group, no one darting ahead. Let tank, tank. let healer heal.

i think mob skipping would be best done in pre-made groups of like minded as fresh players will not understand wtf going on.

And not every new player visits the forums and knows the "meta" .

People gotta be wiling to teach the newbies. Just just insert their dominance.

munster1404

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

munster1404 wrote: »

I find speedrunners incredibly annoying. Frankly, >1hr dungeon runs means nothing when I follow a work schedule that basically grants me 14 to 16 off days every month. I am one of those gamers who are in for the long haul the moment they turn on the computer.

Regardless whether it's the 1st or 100th run, I always prefer taking it slow. Even reading or listening to quest dialogues for the umpteenth time doesn't diminish the experience. Tbh, I find it so frustrating whenever PUGs type "skip" in chat.

@munster1404 So you're one of the very few people who has a blessedly lax work schedule and can afford to throw away thousands of collective hours of time achieving nothing when you could be achieving something. What is your point?

What's there to achieve? It's just a game. My point is: slow down and revel in the environment which the game designers have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours working on?

Dapper Dinosaur

munster1404 wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

munster1404 wrote: »

I find speedrunners incredibly annoying. Frankly, >1hr dungeon runs means nothing when I follow a work schedule that basically grants me 14 to 16 off days every month. I am one of those gamers who are in for the long haul the moment they turn on the computer.

Regardless whether it's the 1st or 100th run, I always prefer taking it slow. Even reading or listening to quest dialogues for the umpteenth time doesn't diminish the experience. Tbh, I find it so frustrating whenever PUGs type "skip" in chat.

@munster1404 So you're one of the very few people who has a blessedly lax work schedule and can afford to throw away thousands of collective hours of time achieving nothing when you could be achieving something. What is your point?

What's there to achieve? It's just a game. My point is: slow down and revel in the environment which the game designers have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours working on?

I've played 100 days on just my main character, and I just finished leveling my 6th. I have been through every single dungeon countless times. There is nothing new to "revel" at. The fact you're asking what you can achieve with the time you're currently throwing away looking at the same stuff that's been there for years is practically making my point for me, obviously you have no concept of endgame because you're so slow (or so new) that you still haven't reached it yet.

munster1404

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

munster1404 wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

munster1404 wrote: »

I find speedrunners incredibly annoying. Frankly, >1hr dungeon runs means nothing when I follow a work schedule that basically grants me 14 to 16 off days every month. I am one of those gamers who are in for the long haul the moment they turn on the computer.

Regardless whether it's the 1st or 100th run, I always prefer taking it slow. Even reading or listening to quest dialogues for the umpteenth time doesn't diminish the experience. Tbh, I find it so frustrating whenever PUGs type "skip" in chat.

@munster1404 So you're one of the very few people who has a blessedly lax work schedule and can afford to throw away thousands of collective hours of time achieving nothing when you could be achieving something. What is your point?

What's there to achieve? It's just a game. My point is: slow down and revel in the environment which the game designers have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours working on?

I've played 100 days on just my main character, and I just finished leveling my 6th. I have been through every single dungeon countless times. There is nothing new to "revel" at. The fact you're asking what you can achieve with the time you're currently throwing away looking at the same stuff that's been there for years is practically making my point for me, obviously you have no concept of endgame because you're so slow (or so new) that you still haven't reached it yet.

So what if I'm slow? I can't help it if I take my time appreciating all the nuances in dialogue, environment. I just find the act of rushing through everything so sickenly similar to RL. When PUGs call out for skips in dungeons like FG , CoA and Mazzatun. My answer is definitely a flat no but will always defer to the majority.

Roughly 2600hrs game time and I still find the experience refreshing.

Ozstryker

The assumptions and posturing in this thread are getting ridiculous now!..

Seriously if you've racked up thousands of hours and run every dungeon hundreds of times that does not give you the right to disregard the rest of the groups experience.. or diminish the significance of someone else's role by doing whatever you want cos you can!

If you have to skip bosses, and speed off through mobs cos you believe your time is precious, then you have to ask yourself, is doing group content on a video game the best use of your time? Really, do you need the XP so much that you need to be a ***?

If you like to walk through dungeons and smell the roses while looting every sack and checking round every corner then you must realise your tardiness is holding up progress and probably annoying the others.. nobody has said u cannot do the quests or loot chests and heavy sacks.. but being slow for the sake of immersion is a solo video game thing, and really doesn't have a place in group content!

And if you have an opinion about what someone else's opinion should be..... keep it to yourself!..... unless you can back it up with absolute and undeniable fact!

The fact is running dungeons in eso is actually nothing like how they are portrayed on these forums... sure, you get some good some bad, but they are not all the horrific mess some exaggerate them to be here..... if you believe they are, then you probably fall under one of the categories above and need to adjust yourself by realising group content is not all about you!

blacksghost

The speed runners I have encountered don’t even wait for all group members to make it through the load screen. Hard to stare your aims/come to consensus when all you see is their proverbial dust.

exiars10

Phage wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

What's funny is that these rushers are all around the 600 to 720 in CP, which I understand, you're all high level players and you have people follow you and fawn over you and your high CP level. Well, let me just say I'm not feeling prepared to roll around over you just because of your high CP, and if I am a tank, it would be in your best interest to follow Me

Do the same dungeon hundreds of times and come back to talk.

I'm not slowing down to do a normal dungeon that I can solo faster. I'm there for the random dungeon xp. So if you drag your feet, I'm going on ahead. Some of us run xp pots/scrolls and aren't wasting it waiting on you.

Why do you do the same dungeon hundreds of times? It doesn't make any sense.
If you can solo, then do it solo.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Man some of the egos here are just bewildering...

If i ever make it to 720cp i will go slow just to spite some of you, i might even ruin the dungeon just to upset some of you.. thats how much i hate bigots..

That's what I actually started to do but you need to be a tank. There are bosses which they can't beat alone so they come back to help group who get stuck behind so in the end speed run fails and we spend more time in dungeon.

Feanor wrote: »

Or maybe just tell the group politely you haven’t done the quest yet and would like to do it. Most times that will get you the result you wanted.

No. I can't remember how many times I played CoA II and that Pirate Island... to get skill points from them.
People ignore you even I always type "have quest" at the start and just speed run.

exiars10

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If you don't like speed runners, then make your own group. It's that simple.

Good luck finding 3 other players who want to run a dungeon slowly though.

But why you speed runners don't create you own groups as so many of you like to do speed runs?
But no, you are always as solo or in duo (so they can't be kicked), a real heroes.

When I rarely do speed runs it's only with my guild mates when we roll as 4x DD and face roll dungeon. But it's pre-made group and we agree how to play.

MehrunesFlagon

MarleyRain wrote: »

I've been following this thread for a few days because I am also someone who doesn't like people who take off and leave the group in the dust performing their one man show. Skipping mobs, not killing them, and generally being an idiot. It seems to me the majority of people in this thread agree and don't like being grouped with someone like this. It's a much more smooth experience when everyone does their part and works as a team. It's never fun sprinting after someone the entire dungeon so you can hopefully get a hit on the boss.

Honestly i always wanted to be able to to do that when I was a noob,but I am one that is willing to kill his trash mobs,and doesn't aggro bosses.With the exception of the Lich boss in CoH 1,but damn near every group pulls the bottom adds to him anyway.Of course when I do such and die it is in no way the tankor healers fault.

CompM4s

Speed running normal dungeons was due the Jubilee box event. Just try to enjoy the free and easy box high cp characters provided during the event.

Kalgert

CompM4s wrote: »

Speed running normal dungeons was due the Jubilee box event. Just try to enjoy the free and easy box high cp characters provided during the event.

I left those groups, actually.

Anyways, happy to see that things have calmed down a bit now, no longer am I seeing crazy rush groups (Except two days ago when in Fungal Grotto the tank skipped two bosses just to get to Dreugh King faster. Not a big fan of that but was too tired to argue about it).

But todas really was a treat. A normal White-Gold Tower run with me being the highest at 460CP, and the rest of the group being from 20CP to 190CP, and one of the DPS using an Ice Staff.

It was long, hard, and felt rewarding at the end of it all. That is what I consider a good dungeon run, not habing the run be turned in to someone's solo run.

Rocki

If you use the group finder, you don't get to choose who you group with. If you want to take your time, make a premade.

That's the usual argument in threads about low levels and bad players getting carried, but it goes both ways.

DarcyMardin

I’m voting with the “I hate speed runners” crowd. If you can solo the normal dungeon, kindly do so and leave me to enjoy it with a leisurely, sane group who allow people to do their quests and get their skill points (if necessary—I always ask) and practice their skills when they’re learning their role. There are always new players in ESO. Maybe if more people paid attention to the mechanics in normals, there wouldn’t be so much complaining about “noobs” in vet content.

Dapper Dinosaur

If I'm even entering a normal dungeon, it's for one of these reasons, as I have already done all of them far more times than I can count:

1. I'm there for gear, which is the only reason I'm queuing in with other people, so I can have more opportunities to get the gear I need via trade.

2. I need the skillpoint on the character I'm using.

This means I always want to finish as fast as possible.

Sevn

I hate speed runners when I'm doing the quest with a new toon, but it doesn't bother me personally when running dungeons with one of my toons that have already cleared said dungeon, though I truly feel bad for any newcomers that are trying to experience the dungeon in its entirety for the 1st time.

Kalgert

Last night, me and my girlfriend (And another DPS we got from the LFG) kicked out a healer, who was more concerned about rzshing ahead and being a DPS and trying to offer 100k for a restoration staff (I am not joking), rather than... You know, healing.

Yes it is a "Fake healer", but if those fake somethings are any decent, they will also be going and do their role to a minimal effect. This guy just went and pulled everything, making me, the tank, have to try really hard to keep everyone alive and myself (I was leveling medium armor at that time).

After we kicked him, he spammed about how we are noobs and that we should uninstall the game. Then I gave him a bit of wisdom, telling hin that he was tge one who got kicked, and he was the one not doing his job.

So who was the noob then? Meditate on this, then come back to me.

Marvinthebeast

It's just rude...if you want to speedrun, please tell others. If you are strong enough to burn everything on your own, then go solo. Many times overconfident dps run ahead in vet dungs and get killed. Then yell at my healer WHERE ARE YOU?! So funny...

exiars10

Let just focus on insulting role players (ignoring everything else).

Join over 10 million players in the award-winning online multiplayer RPG and experience limitless adventure in a persistent Elder Scrolls world. Battle, craft, steal, or explore, and combine different types of equipment and abilities to create your own style of play. No game subscription required.

This is witten by ZeniMax/Betheseda how they market ESO. Straight from developer/publisher.

So, BNOC you can kindly G..O.

MarleyRain

A lot of people do dungeons because they enjoy them. Skipping all the trash saves what maybe 2 or 3 minutes total especially if it doesn't go the way you think it will. Which it usually doesn't because everything will run back to the rest of the group. So my point is when you que into a dungeon with 3 other people they most likely didn't que to be a cheerleader for your one man show. It's a group activity and that could be someone's first time in there.. It's not impressive or good strategy when someone hijacks the run and says f everyone else I'm the most important. Just sad.

BNOC

MarleyRain wrote: »

A lot of people do dungeons because they enjoy them. Skipping all the trash saves what maybe 2 or 3 minutes total especially if it doesn't go the way you think it will. Which it usually doesn't because everything will run back to the rest of the group. So my point is when you que into a dungeon with 3 other people they most likely didn't que to be a cheerleader for your one man show. It's a group activity and that could be someone's first time in there.. It's not impressive or good strategy when someone hijacks the run and says f everyone else I'm the most important. Just sad.

Equally, a lot of people don't enjoy dungeons, are forced to do them and want them done asap - This is trivial content.

Yeah, maybe skipping the trash saves 2-3minutes when you have competent players with you. As you remove them one by one that time saved decreases, naturally. Who knows how long it would save a group of inexperienced players - A lot more is the short answer.

Again, equally, people don't queue in to cripple themselves for no reason. You're asking me to walk at your pace and I'm asking you to walk at mine, what's the difference? The difference is, if you push yourself there'll come a point in time where you can do it too and I gain nothing from gimping myself.

ZOS_JesC

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DoctorESO

This may simply be a case of majority wins. There are more people - probably much more people - who want to speed run than not. Majority wins because they will kick you from the group. Kicking is based on majority vote.

SHADOW2KK

Kalgert wrote: »

Get your own group together, if you want to skip most of the dungeon, while being rude enough to leave other people in the dust.

Lately I've been encountering more and more groups that has that one or two players who just rush ahead of everyone (Even the tank, because let's be honest, normal dungeons are that wee-easy), and then have the nerve to have a passive-aggressive attitude towards anyone who tells them "'Oy, stop running ahead of the rest of the group"

One occurence had people literary running past everything. Past mobs and kept running even when they aggroed them. It made me start asking myself why even bother being in the dungeon, if everyone's just gonna run ahead of everything. One run left me somewhat amused, just for how *** up it was, in seeing one tank being so eager to speedrun, that he was shouting frantic nonsense like "wtf why can't I go forward???" because he couldn't get to the last boss in Elden Hollow 1.

What's funny is that these rushers are all around the 600 to 720 in CP, which I understand, you're all high level players and you have people follow you and fawn over you and your high CP level. Well, let me just say I'm not feeling prepared to roll around over you just because of your high CP, and if I am a tank, it would be in your best interest to follow Me

Oh well. I can always let these people be stuck in a snag and have them wait for a tank to bail them through a tough encounter, while I can leave and find a new group in a matter of moments.

But tell me, ladies and gentlemen. How can I deal with this little dillema?

Adapt.

DoctorESO

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Get your own group together, if you want to skip most of the dungeon, while being rude enough to leave other people in the dust.

Lately I've been encountering more and more groups that has that one or two players who just rush ahead of everyone (Even the tank, because let's be honest, normal dungeons are that wee-easy), and then have the nerve to have a passive-aggressive attitude towards anyone who tells them "'Oy, stop running ahead of the rest of the group"

One occurence had people literary running past everything. Past mobs and kept running even when they aggroed them. It made me start asking myself why even bother being in the dungeon, if everyone's just gonna run ahead of everything. One run left me somewhat amused, just for how *** up it was, in seeing one tank being so eager to speedrun, that he was shouting frantic nonsense like "wtf why can't I go forward???" because he couldn't get to the last boss in Elden Hollow 1.

What's funny is that these rushers are all around the 600 to 720 in CP, which I understand, you're all high level players and you have people follow you and fawn over you and your high CP level. Well, let me just say I'm not feeling prepared to roll around over you just because of your high CP, and if I am a tank, it would be in your best interest to follow Me

Oh well. I can always let these people be stuck in a snag and have them wait for a tank to bail them through a tough encounter, while I can leave and find a new group in a matter of moments.

But tell me, ladies and gentlemen. How can I deal with this little dillema?

Adapt.

Kalgert

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Get your own group together, if you want to skip most of the dungeon, while being rude enough to leave other people in the dust.

Lately I've been encountering more and more groups that has that one or two players who just rush ahead of everyone (Even the tank, because let's be honest, normal dungeons are that wee-easy), and then have the nerve to have a passive-aggressive attitude towards anyone who tells them "'Oy, stop running ahead of the rest of the group"

One occurence had people literary running past everything. Past mobs and kept running even when they aggroed them. It made me start asking myself why even bother being in the dungeon, if everyone's just gonna run ahead of everything. One run left me somewhat amused, just for how *** up it was, in seeing one tank being so eager to speedrun, that he was shouting frantic nonsense like "wtf why can't I go forward???" because he couldn't get to the last boss in Elden Hollow 1.

What's funny is that these rushers are all around the 600 to 720 in CP, which I understand, you're all high level players and you have people follow you and fawn over you and your high CP level. Well, let me just say I'm not feeling prepared to roll around over you just because of your high CP, and if I am a tank, it would be in your best interest to follow Me

Oh well. I can always let these people be stuck in a snag and have them wait for a tank to bail them through a tough encounter, while I can leave and find a new group in a matter of moments.

But tell me, ladies and gentlemen. How can I deal with this little dillema?

Adapt.

Actually I can just boot out people who are in a hurry, assuming I am in a party with two otger players who don't like people in an unnecessary hurry.

DoctorESO wrote: »

This may simply be a case of majority wins. There are more people - probably much more people - who want to speed run than not. Majority wins because they will kick you from the group. Kicking is based on majority vote.

Not when I am playing with my girlfriend. They want to kick me or her? Tough luck for them.

Yesterday I have joined a guild. So I will hopefully be able to group with people I can rely on, and not have to rely on the LFG mixed bag.