DON'T BUY SUMMERSET. ZoS screws it's players over again.

Geroken777

starkerealm wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Its bethesda last game.

...my god, Fallout 4 doesn't exist. It was all a fever dream!

:P

Bethesda's last title was Wolfenstein 2 The New Colossus, considering its just a parent company of Bethesda all owned by Zenimax Media.

In all honesty though, I really hate this game's marketing decisions just like I do with any company because its full of greed.

kongkim

Every thing go down in price with time... Can't see anything wrong in that.

DMuehlhausen

Royaji wrote: »

inb4 close. Time to farm some Agrees...

Have an Insightful and Awesome!

Cpt_Teemo

duendology wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

I seriously doubt vet players make the majority of the eso player base. I'd bet it's casual players who do.

Confused. How are you defining "vet" players? I thought that designator was about folk that have been playing the game for a long time?

If that's the case, I'm a very casual vet.

Am I misunderstanding you?

To me vet players are those who live and breathe eso, [sarcasm] playing eso since before launch even [/sarcasm], spending more time in the game than inrl, and of course paying too much attention to leaderboards and meta builds than to...actually playing. I know, I am probably biased in my opinion.

I am a very causal player. I love this game, I really do... but because this game is ran by "meta" gods..there's no way I'll be enjoying the strictly group content.

All I consider a vet player to be is someone who started in atleast the first month of launch tbh

DieAlteHexe

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

I seriously doubt vet players make the majority of the eso player base. I'd bet it's casual players who do.

Confused. How are you defining "vet" players? I thought that designator was about folk that have been playing the game for a long time?

If that's the case, I'm a very casual vet.

Am I misunderstanding you?

To me vet players are those who live and breathe eso, [sarcasm] playing eso since before launch even [/sarcasm], spending more time in the game than inrl, and of course paying too much attention to leaderboards and meta builds than to...actually playing. I know, I am probably biased in my opinion.

I am a very causal player. I love this game, I really do... but because this game is ran by "meta" gods..there's no way I'll be enjoying the strictly group content.

All I consider a vet player to be is someone who started in atleast the first month of launch tbh

Similar. Been interesting to see the varying definitions.

duendology

Back on topic.

Once upon a time I'd bought a fanciful Sony headset. 5 months later it was on 50% sale.

Should I have written a public complaint to the store and plaster an entire mall with it or something?

MasterSpatula

Why do long Walls of Text and completely self-centered and irrational opinions so often go hand-in-hand?

PlagueSD

This is standard practice for MMO games that have been out for a while. You will ALWAYS pay a premium for current content. As new content comes out, they normally will discount it, or "bundle" it with the new expansion. Everquest did this. World of Warcraft did this. Hell, they even did this with StarCraft.

World of Warcraft Battlechest: $19.99
About the product:

• World of Warcraft with 30 days trial
• Includes Expansion Packs: The Burnings Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King, Cataclysm, Mists of Pandaria and Warlords Of Draenor.
• Includes levels 1 through 90

You don't agree with ZOS's business practices, fine. Don't buy their products. Those of us that like the game will continue to support it...Until a better game comes out.

luen79rwb17_ESO

I'm sorry sorry to read you're angry but that's how things in life go.

Amadis001

If you see a first-run movie on opening day, you pay $12-$14 for the ticket (here where I live). If you go to see it a year later in a multiplex that specializes in second-run movies, you pay $2-$5. Does that screw over the people who saw it on opening day? No it does not.

If you buy a new big-screen TV at the highest resolution available when it first comes out, you might pay $5K. A year later, it's $2K, and a year after that, $1500. Does that screw over the people who bought it when if first came out? No it does not.

So what exactly is your argument?

Azyle1

Amadis001 wrote: »

If you see a first-run movie on opening day, you pay $12-$14 for the ticket (here where I live). If you go to see it a year later in a multiplex that specializes in second-run movies, you pay $2-$5. Does that screw over the people who saw it on opening day? No it does not.

If you buy a new big-screen TV at the highest resolution available when it first comes out, you might pay $5K. A year later, it's $2K, and a year after that, $1500. Does that screw over the people who bought it when if first came out? No it does not.

So what exactly is your argument?

Shh... Don't try to use logic. It scares them.

Juju_beans

Has the OP never played an MMO with expansion packs ?

WOW has been rolling expansions into their base for over 10 years now.

Ozstryker

mythlover20 wrote: »

*Sigh.* Seriously, Zenimax, what is wrong with you?

You finally gave us a system that was fair to both veteran players, and the new players drawn in by the announcement of the Summerset expansion, by giving those new players the ability to buy the Morrowind Expansion at half price and to do so after Summerset was released, so those who couldn't buy it within that very small window of opportunity could still get some savings if they bought it bundled with Summerset. And now you go and do this?

Yeah, sure, this is fine for those who didn't already fork out up to $120 for Morrowind when you announced it; but those of us who did support you when you created the new content are getting even more screwed over than we were before.

You know full well that the veteran players make up the vast majority of the player base. We are the ones who spend our money every paycheck on the various crown store features you offer. New players are cautious, and the vast majority of them leave after a few months, never to pick up the game again. It is the veteran players who who stick around week after week, renewing our subscriptions month after month, buying costumes or assistants or even houses when we can afford it. Yet you do this to us again. Again!

There would be no problem if you were offering something to those veteran players who made Morrowind so successful that you got to keep your jobs. We're the ones paying you more money than anyone should have to so you can keep the servers running. We're the ones who are keeping you all in your jobs. And yet once again you try to abandon us on the side of the road, bloody and broken, because you want to sucker in the newbies before word of mouth gets around and the day-one and pre-order sales dry up.

No other MMO, or any other game at all, offers content it cost them millions of dollars to make for free to some people, and not the others. And yes, I know DLC can be bought with subscription crowns. If you had done the exact same thing with Morrowind from day one none of us would have a problem. But now you are offering free content to a very small fraction of the player base, while everyone else still had to pay for it!

I almost cried the day you announced this; because that one flicker of intelligent decision-making you displayed by offering Summerset alone at a discounted price for those who didn't need Morrowind again gave me, and the other veteran players, a small spark of hope, that made all the abuse and threats we got from the new players worthwhile. Now? Well, you're just making us pay for it all again. Again.

This is a suicidal move, and I give you one warning: BETRAYING YOUR ESTABLISHED VETERAN PLAYER BASE LIKE THIS WILL END YOU. It won't be today, or tomorrow, but you will be forced to shut down the servers as the new players you suckered in with free content learn that what you are currently doing to us, you are more than happy to also do to them.

So offer the hundreds of thousands of us who gave you our hard-earned money when Morrowind was released something in return for our loyalty and our support. Thousands have already cancelled their subscriptions and closed their accounts because of your utter disregard for your consumers. Keep Morrowind free for the new players by all means, but give us something, like 4000 crowns and a choice of notable houses. Or better yet, give us Summerset for free, since you're giving away Morrowind. If they deserve something for free, then so do we. But seriously, just do something to convince us to stay and keep giving you the money that keeps your company alive and your employees able to put food on their tables for their families.

To those people who abused me last time, and to those who are just coming into this game, I offer you one piece of advice, though I know most of you will ignore it: DON'T BUY SUMMERSET!

I'm not saying that in protest, though I know that is the most likely interpretation. Instead I'm offering it as a warning. We payed up to $120 for the Morrowind expansion, and now they are offering it free to the people who can now buy it with their subscription crowns (which they get FOR FREE with their subscription, making Morrowind free for those who pay for it this way). If they do this with Morrowind, it is guaranteed that they will do this exact same thing with Summerset next year. So new players next year will get up to $250 worth of free expansions that you paid far too much for less than a year before hand. Then you will be in the exact same position I and my other veteran players are in now, and you will be sitting there suffering days of endless abuse from the new players who think they are entitled to it simply because they came later than you did.

We either stand up now and demand they treat everyone with respect, or we let them walk all over us, and everyone who comes after us, now and in the future.

Oh, and to the forum moderators: I apologise for the abuse and utter vitriol that the other forum users posted on my last thread. It was... disgusting for me to read it. I hate to think of how horrible it must have been for you. I will not apologise for posting these threads, though. We consumers have the right to be treated with respect and equality across the board. That said, I know it's not your fault, and I apologise for the abuse that this thread will inevitably attract. But I will stand up for myself. Some countries probably have laws against this, though I don't know which, nor the precise document, otherwise I would have posted a link to it. We deserve better than this. We deserve better than you (ZoS you, not you, you). Someone has to stand up for those being stepped on, and it might as well be me, since everyone already hates me.

To everyone else, please, post your own threads, tweet ZoS' twitter, post on their facebook pages, write tumblr posts, make your own videos, and send in customer support tickets. Maybe then we will finally be treated like people and not walking ATMs. Probably not, but if we don't try, we will never win.

Oh, and I won't be reading this threat until the moderators step in. I had enough of the abuse from the majority of forum users the last time. They and the others still deserve help, though. So, you know, go nuts if it makes you feel better.

Just quoting the whole op even though I didn't read it cos I don't care enough to have an opinion... hope I wasted at least one persons time.. #sorrynotsorry

starkerealm

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Its bethesda last game.

...my god, Fallout 4 doesn't exist. It was all a fever dream!

:P

Dude read my comment correctly.

No. It's better this way.

Worth remembering that Bethesda Game Studio, and ZOS are completely separate developers. So, you know, "last Bethesda game," means... what, exactly?

boldscot

Another issue that is covered in the ToS, which you agreed to before purchasing Morrowind.

Also buying every overpriced item they throw on the crown store doesn't make you a vet player.

MLGProPlayer

Wow, a business discounted an outdated product. Talk about unethical.

Tabbycat

Welcome to the world of MMO's where the previous expansions get rolled into the next one.

MLGProPlayer

PlagueSD wrote: »

This is standard practice for MMO games that have been out for a while. You will ALWAYS pay a premium for current content.

This is standard practice for any product ever sold in the free market.

LindsC

mythlover20 wrote: »

*Sigh.* Seriously, Zenimax, what is wrong with you?

No other MMO, or any other game at all, offers content it cost them millions of dollars to make for free to some people, and not the others. And yes, I know DLC can be bought with subscription crowns. If you had done the exact same thing with Morrowind from day one none of us would have a problem. But now you are offering free content to a very small fraction of the player base, while everyone else still had to pay for it!

WoW has done this many times, whenever they release a new expansion pack. It's nothing new

Palidon

You are preaching to the deaf ears of ZOS. They don't care if they screwed this person or that. All they care about is making money. Wait 6 months and you will get even a better deal on a Summerset package that will screw all the new folks that bought Summerset package now.

starkerealm

Geroken777 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Its bethesda last game.

...my god, Fallout 4 doesn't exist. It was all a fever dream!

:P

Bethesda's last title was Wolfenstein 2 The New Colossus, considering its just a parent company of Bethesda all owned by Zenimax Media.

In all honesty though, I really hate this game's marketing decisions just like I do with any company because its full of greed.

It's a little more complicated because Bethesda could mean Bethesda Game Studio (the developer), or Bethesda Softworks (the publisher). So, both Wolf2, and FO4 are "Bethesda's" last game, because *skull melts*

Yeah, I'm okay with moving Morrowind over to ESO+, but I'm certainly not going to hold it against anyone who feels kinda had by that change. As is, we should be keeping all the perks that came with it (Warden, permanent access to Vvardenfell, ect) . I'm also really psyched for Battlegrounds to be moved into the base game, simply because I'm tired of queuing up against the same 30 people in BG all the time. Even if it does mean I occasionally get to hear about @Gilliamtherogue wrecking some of my guildmates in there.

Amarthiul

I got an awesome mount with my pre-order, so I'm not feeling screwed over in the slightest.

jedtb16_ESO

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Or something like this that happens https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/154641879447303579/

Someone pays full price for a game then it goes on sale 3 days later

My husband and I have the WORST luck with this. We'll decide we want a new something. We'll wait a bit to see if there are any sales. Then we buy it and bloody hell if the thing doesn't usually go on sale within a week.

Yeah they trick you into thinking there won't be a sale for awhile and bam doh lol, oh well

how did they trick you?

D0PAMINE

I don't recall asking you to speak for me OP.

Nihility42

You paid to get early access to content. If someone, and I'm not saying you because I don't want to be hostile, were to buy something and expect the price to never go down they'd be an absolute moron. I'd wonder how they could even function in society with the mental faculties this hypothetical person clearly lacked.

It seriously just boggles my mind that people get so upset when the prices of something drops the older it gets and as new items come out and supersede it. This is how things work. I'd recommend never buying anything if you don't want to experience it.

MLGProPlayer

Palidon wrote: »

You are preaching to the deaf ears of ZOS. They don't care if they screwed this person or that. All they care about is making money. Wait 6 months and you will get even a better deal on a Summerset package that will screw all the new folks that bought Summerset package now.

Find me one game publisher that:

1. doesn't care about making money.
2. doesn't discount their games a few months after release.

Or any for-profit company operating in the free market, for that matter.

Hokiewa

Geroken777 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Its bethesda last game.

...my god, Fallout 4 doesn't exist. It was all a fever dream!

:P

Bethesda's last title was Wolfenstein 2 The New Colossus, considering its just a parent company of Bethesda all owned by Zenimax Media.

In all honesty though, I really hate this game's marketing decisions just like I do with any company because its full of greed.

Then you clearly do not understand the mandate of any for profit company.

Pwnyridah

If I could pay 100 dollars to get Morrowind a year before you, I would.

Nihility42

Palidon wrote: »

You are preaching to the deaf ears of ZOS. They don't care if they screwed this person or that. All they care about is making money. Wait 6 months and you will get even a better deal on a Summerset package that will screw all the new folks that bought Summerset package now.

No, because in 6 months, Summerset will have been out for several months. If you're buying it now, it's because you want to play on release. I wouldn't wait until several months after release even if they told me it'd be free. That's not screwing people over that bought it now, it's making the content available to a new group of people that couldn't afford it before.

thedude33

Hopefully the OP doesn't live in Canada. We have a Boxing Day on Dec 26th...and there is a large sale every year. Like your Black Friday.

The OP would have a fit when they see things like wrapping paper 75% off what he/she bought it for 2 days earlier.

oh the humanity !!