DON'T BUY SUMMERSET. ZoS screws it's players over again.

AlienatedGoat

While I don't personally care, I do understand why some people are upset at Morrowind being brought to ESO+ and included in the base game purchase.

ZOS emphatically stated before Morrowind's release that it would not be available in ESO+ and that we would have to buy it separately. There was no mention of any future plans to include it in ESO+, and all communications with ZOS made it seem like Chapters would always be separate purchases.

So I can see why some people would be upset. If they had known that ESO+ would include Morrowind a year after release, they might have just waited. Some others are upset because of the huge outcry about Morrowind not being included in ESO+, and then later being added after people either bought it or bought the Summerset preorder.

The biggest issue I see here is unclear communication from ZOS. Guys, the players need to know these plans far in advance to avoid these miscommunication issues. Players like to be informed, and when they are not they can sometimes view it as deliberate. If you guys have plans to add Summerset to ESO+ anytime in the future, you should probably say so upfront if you want to avoid a situation like this next year. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Motherball

Probly more new players playing than vets these days, imo.

AhPook_Is_Here

Every company does this, just compare this to the distribution cycle of any movie, Theatrical, most expensive experience, then buy the DVD/blueray, then rental, then distributed to some subscriber level service like netflix or amazon prime. That's how product cycles work, allowing you as the consumer to determine how much you want something. If you feel abused, use your self-control as a human being to wait for the discounting cycle and buy something that will make you feel good about your choice?

Radinyn

Bought it and don't regret. Thank you.

karekiz

Its been too long
Morrowind sang its song
Time for Summerset to ride along.

As for OP.

WOOT! Less competition for JC traders!

Aci

I bought Summerset and I dont regret it. I wont regret either because I prefer b2p new content while I also dont expect to pay for the old one. If you are a new player the game is already expensive enough (but worth in my opinion).

Sky_WK

You got to play it for a year before everyone who would've waited for it to be free

[Edited for baiting]

Kiralyn2000

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Are you telling me that video games cost less money the further they are from release? This cant be right...

Cpt_Teemo

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Or something like this that happens https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/154641879447303579/

Someone pays full price for a game then it goes on sale 3 days later

ParaNostram

Wait. is OP complaining about lower prices being offered to new players on an old product? Goodness gracious.

inthecoconut

I'm absolutely livid right now!

I bought a 65" UHD 4k TV for $3,000 and now, a year later, I saw the SAME model going for only $1,500 AND they had the nerve to include a free blue-ray player! If I had known they were going to rip me off like this, I'd have just waited a whole year. I should be given my $1,500 back as compensation and the fact that I've enjoyed it and used it every day since buying it is completely beside the point!

Anyway, what were we discussing?

Azyle1

I do not understand.

Why get mad because later something is cheaper/free? Happens all the time in games.

Mario Kart 8 for example -

Bought it on Wii U. Bought DLC separately.

Comes out on Switch, and I buy it with DLC for free (already in the game).

I wasn't mad. Why would I be?

Anotherone773

mythlover20 wrote: »

*Sigh.* Seriously, Zenimax, what is wrong with you?....(rant)

Actually the vets in the game make up a small % of the player base from what i see. In fact id say the vet population is smaller percent wise than most MMOs by quite a bit. I consider hitting max level to be "vet". And i see very few people running around that are 720.

That said... this is normal for developers to do. Bundle old content together for a bargain price when new content comes out. Imagine if you had a game like Wow where you had to buy every xpack at full price to catch up. It would take $500 plus just to get to current max level/ end game content. No one is going to invest that. All mmos do this. I dont know if your really a vet of this game, but you obviously lack experience in playing MMOS... or at least ones that make it more than an xpack or two in.

The game will have much lower draw from new players if they have to pay for 1T, Morrowind, Summerset. You would have to pay $100 plus just to see if you even like the game.

DieAlteHexe

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Or something like this that happens https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/154641879447303579/

Someone pays full price for a game then it goes on sale 3 days later

My husband and I have the WORST luck with this. We'll decide we want a new something. We'll wait a bit to see if there are any sales. Then we buy it and bloody hell if the thing doesn't usually go on sale within a week.

Cpt_Teemo

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Or something like this that happens https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/154641879447303579/

Someone pays full price for a game then it goes on sale 3 days later

My husband and I have the WORST luck with this. We'll decide we want a new something. We'll wait a bit to see if there are any sales. Then we buy it and bloody hell if the thing doesn't usually go on sale within a week.

Yeah they trick you into thinking there won't be a sale for awhile and bam doh lol, oh well

Priyasekarssk

starkerealm wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Its bethesda last game.

...my god, Fallout 4 doesn't exist. It was all a fever dream!

:P

Dude read my comment correctly.

DieAlteHexe

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Or something like this that happens https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/154641879447303579/

Someone pays full price for a game then it goes on sale 3 days later

My husband and I have the WORST luck with this. We'll decide we want a new something. We'll wait a bit to see if there are any sales. Then we buy it and bloody hell if the thing doesn't usually go on sale within a week.

Yeah they trick you into thinking there won't be a sale for awhile and bam doh lol, oh well

Yeah, we're used to it. Heh. About 75% of the time, it happens.

duendology

I seriously doubt vet players make the majority of the eso player base. I'd bet it's casual players who do.

DieAlteHexe

duendology wrote: »

I seriously doubt vet players make the majority of the eso player base. I'd bet it's casual players who do.

Confused. How are you defining "vet" players? I thought that designator was about folk that have been playing the game for a long time?

If that's the case, I'm a very casual vet.

Am I misunderstanding you?

inthecoconut

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Or something like this that happens https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/154641879447303579/

Someone pays full price for a game then it goes on sale 3 days later

My husband and I have the WORST luck with this. We'll decide we want a new something. We'll wait a bit to see if there are any sales. Then we buy it and bloody hell if the thing doesn't usually go on sale within a week.

I don't want to claim that Zeni would do this, but I am genuinely curious what their response would be if you contacted support and informed them that you purchased it a week ago and were wondering whether or not they would honor the new sale price. I understand they'd have no obligation but I actually really want to know what their policy is on that. I can probably find it in their ToS or something.

duendology

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

I seriously doubt vet players make the majority of the eso player base. I'd bet it's casual players who do.

Confused. How are you defining "vet" players? I thought that designator was about folk that have been playing the game for a long time?

If that's the case, I'm a very casual vet.

Am I misunderstanding you?

To me vet players are those who live and breathe eso, [sarcasm] playing eso since before launch even [/sarcasm], spending more time in the game than inrl, and of course paying too much attention to leaderboards and meta builds than to...actually playing. I know, I am probably biased in my opinion.

I am a very causal player. I love this game, I really do... but because this game is ran by "meta" gods..there's no way I'll be enjoying the strictly group content.

AlienatedGoat

duendology wrote: »

I seriously doubt vet players make the majority of the eso player base. I'd bet it's casual players who do.

That's a non-sequitur. A player's gameplay experience has little to do with how often they play.

OP's usage of the word "veteran" is dubious here, since it is also used to describe players that play veteran content. OP meant "veteran" in the way that one describes loyal, committed players that have been around for a while.

It can be argued that a large portion of the playerbase is newer players, particularly around events.

jarydf

OP - you seriously spent way to much time on that rant post.

It suggests to me that you need to get out into the real world more.

Imagine if you put that much passion into something that mattered rather than the mundane business practices of a game company.

Dream big. You could start a family or two, maybe a business. Even turn pro and join the Social Justice Warrior League.

The possibilities are endless.

Delta1038

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I do not share the OP’s view on this issue. I pre-ordered Morrowind, loved it, already did the same for Summerset, and will likely do the same for whatever is next.

DieAlteHexe

inthecoconut wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

It just occurred to me - I bought Ratchet & Clank (PS4) new. Played & enjoyed it.

...and last month, it showed up 'free' for people who subscribe to Playstation Plus. Which I'm subscribing to.


And I'm OK with that. /shrug

Or something like this that happens https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/154641879447303579/

Someone pays full price for a game then it goes on sale 3 days later

My husband and I have the WORST luck with this. We'll decide we want a new something. We'll wait a bit to see if there are any sales. Then we buy it and bloody hell if the thing doesn't usually go on sale within a week.

I don't want to claim that Zeni would do this, but I am genuinely curious what their response would be if you contacted support and informed them that you purchased it a week ago and were wondering whether or not they would honor the new sale price. I understand they'd have no obligation but I actually really want to know what their policy is on that. I can probably find it in their ToS or something.

I'd be curious to know too. It (for once) doesn't pertain to us. Purchased MW about...hmmm....eight months ago I'd guess.

Androconium

I'm not buying it. They have enough of my money and I have not used all the content that I've already paid for.

AlienatedGoat

Delta1038 wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I do not share the OP’s view on this issue. I pre-ordered Morrowind, loved it, already did the same for Summerset, and will likely do the same for whatever is next.

Neither do I, but the reason why OP is upset is still valid.

ZOS needs to communicate better about their future plans for their business model.

DieAlteHexe

duendology wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

I seriously doubt vet players make the majority of the eso player base. I'd bet it's casual players who do.

Confused. How are you defining "vet" players? I thought that designator was about folk that have been playing the game for a long time?

If that's the case, I'm a very casual vet.

Am I misunderstanding you?

To me vet players are those who live and breathe eso, [sarcasm] playing eso since before launch even [/sarcasm], spending more time in the game than inrl, and of course paying too much attention to leaderboards and meta builds than to...actually playing. I know, I am probably biased in my opinion.

I am a very causal player. I love this game, I really do... but because this game is ran by "meta" gods..there's no way I'll be enjoying the strictly group content.

Well, I guess I've been all cozy under a rock, that's a new one on me. Thanks for enlightening me.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

what if i like being screwed over!? *inserting drama hamster gif*