Would you support an alliance change token?

Knowledge

Sometimes your friends depart from the game or you simply join a new guild and wish to PVP with them. Perhaps you have a character you love and don't want to start from scratch. You don't want to redo your mage guild, your undaunted, your fighters guild, your skill points, just to change alliances - you love your character.

For this we should have the option of an "Alliance Change Token". This token would come in the form of a consumable item like a race change or appearance change that you would buy for Crowns on the Crown Store. You would use it on your character in the character selection menu and it would come with one caveat to prevent abuse (changing alliances often) and that caveat would be a thirty day cool down. In addition, it would lock that character out from the campaign they were CURRENTLY in on their previous alliance until the end of the campaign. However, if no campaign had been selected as their home they would be free to join one.

Please try to keep this civil and productive.

Enslaved

No. I will not support alliance change tokens.

Knowledge

Enslaved wrote: »

No. I will not support alliance change tokens.

Thanks for your response. Would you care to elaborate as to why?

starkerealm

No.

VaranisArano

Just a reminder to everyone that the OP's MO is to post controversial/dead horse threads. If you want your comment to hang around, make sure its on topic.

Knowledge, not only is this a dead horse thread discussed plenty of times with no support from ZOS, there is already a current thread talking about Alliance Change here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/402612/is-there-any-way-to-change-alliance#latest

For myself, I would use an Alliance Change token of it were available, but I dont care if I never get one.

I would use an Alliance Change token because I am loyal to my faction. I'm loyal to the Ebonheart Pact and only PVP with EP characters. But prior to One Tamriel, I created an AD and DC character so I could experience those questlines without the intense veteran rank grind. Now, I don't PVP with those characters, and if Alliance Change tokens existed, I would change those characters to EP. I have the All Races, All Alliances pack, so no issues there. Also, I'm unwilling to delete those characters and remake them as EP because I'm attached to them and their story.

So ultimately, I don't care if ZOS ever gives us that option, but I would use an Alliance Change because of Faction Loyalty, not despite it.

TheShadowScout

As I stated elsewhere:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

craigr02 wrote: »

Would you like alliance change token?

No.

But if the question were "Would you like a way to change our characters alliance" instead, then my answer would be...
...Yes.
IF done -right-!

And I am thinking about a whole DLC with a "cloak and dagger" theme, dealing with spycraft, betrayal, foreign agents and dark deals made in shadows (and possibly some involvement of Boethiah, since this would be right up her alley)... involving travels all over Tamriel, revisiting many places (possibly reusing one-time storyline maps with new mobs) and perhaps even some new small map, some neutral city where agents from all alliances meet to spy hard (think cold-war era vienna, or something liek that... possibly a post-mainstory Isle of Stirk? Or some other city-state that has not joined any of the alliances...) with a "faction loyalty called in question" plot, where your characters get to make a -BIG- choice:
- Do they stay loyal to their alliance and find out who framed them, hunting down the real culprit to prove their loyalty...
OR
- Do they take the opportunity to defect to greener pastures elsewhere?
With the rest of the questline being different depending on the choice made, one way you find out the truth, secure evidence of your innocence, and hunt down the real traitors, and the other way you court your desired alliance, grab some secrets to trade for your asylum along the way, and escape the agents sent to bring you in...
...bonus points for using familiar faces. I mean, I have a character or two who would love to slam a porticullis into Razun-dars face while they hop on a boat bound for morrowind with Naryu...

And there could be nifty titles for this too. Like "[original faction] Loyalist" and "[original faction] Defector", depending on which way each character chooses...
Obviously this would be a "one-time thing", so we wouldn't have serial defectors in Tamriel...

And on the PvP front... there could be drawbacks to "going traitor", like reduced AP gains for a while in your new alliance, or even requiring people to re-earn their current allaince rank before they get to advance any further; and obviously taking down a "defector" would be worth more to their erstwhile comrades; there even could be a daily "Hunt traitor" quest and a visual clue as to who is such in cyrodil while that quest was active, you know, because...

ofSunhold

Yes, but not on cool-down: one time per character only, or available to all only once a year for a brief time window.

Otherwise, no.

Wouldn't use it, but would support it. I suspect it might not be so simple to implement though, because of the way the MQ segues into Caldwell's silver and gold. Imagine the flood of tears if only people who had completed Caldwell's could get the token at all!

starkerealm

I would support systems that allowed you to migrate progress on certain achievements onto alts. Particularly things like recipes and motifs.

I'm a little bit on the fence about migrating skyshards. Maybe a voucher furnishing that requires you to complete Tamrielic Skyshard Hunter achievement first. But, an alliance change? No. There's no reason or value for it, and it would be a way to cheese the aforementioned achievement.

KingYogi415

No scrub!

AzraelKrieg

For 15k crowns sure. Otherwise no.

Knowledge

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

For 15k crowns sure. Otherwise no.

Why so much?

AzraelKrieg

Knowledge wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

For 15k crowns sure. Otherwise no.

Why so much?

So people don't abuse it

nryerson1025

i don't see why not. imo, make it so your entire account is bound to one faction...or you can swap factiosn with tokens.

GeorgeBlack

Would you support any race any alliance but with alliance locked accounts?

VaranisArano

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

For 15k crowns sure. Otherwise no.

Honestly, paying 15k crowns to PVP on the faction I want to PVP on with a certain character is probably a better deal than using those crowns on any of the limited time housing ZOS has to offer.

nryerson1025

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Would you support any race any alliance but with alliance locked accounts?

that makes my opinion a bit tougher to defend. i don't know. wouldn't make much sense i guess, huh?

Priyasekarssk

Knowledge wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

No. I will not support alliance change tokens.

Thanks for your response. Would you care to elaborate as to why?

Already all people are creating 3 characters in each faction and joking PVP.

srfrogg23

I would totally support an alliance change token. I think players should be able to switch between the Alliance and the Horde whenever they feel their faction isn’t winning.

nryerson1025

VaranisArano wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

For 15k crowns sure. Otherwise no.

Honestly, paying 15k crowns to PVP on the faction I want to PVP on with a certain character is probably a better deal than using those crowns on any of the limited time housing ZOS has to offer.

or what about paying 12k crowns for 60 speed 60 stam on your mount!

what is that, like $80 USD?

Knowledge

nryerson1025 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

For 15k crowns sure. Otherwise no.

Honestly, paying 15k crowns to PVP on the faction I want to PVP on with a certain character is probably a better deal than using those crowns on any of the limited time housing ZOS has to offer.

or what about paying 12k crowns for 60 speed 60 stam on your mount!

what is that, like $80 USD?

That's excessive.

Sovjet

No, too exploitable!

thomas1970b16_ESO

Yes. And a class change token once per charter as well.

Beardimus

Unsure why you caveat every thread with let's keep this civil and productive. Probably as every thread you raise is contentious and designed to creat heated discussion.

Anyway this thread is answered elsewhere. But as per responses there this would need to be a one time thing, not on cooldown, and very pricey 10-15k Crowns.

Alliances need to mean more in this game not less.

Prior to this i would want alliance lock introducing to stop the flipping and boosting that's prevalent. @Knowledge if you want a REALLY contenious thread start one about that - locking per campaign. That will give you what you are really after

AzraelKrieg

Sovjet wrote: »

No, too exploitable!

Not if you charge over $100 for it.

White wabbit

Omg another alliance change threat. Do we really need another when there are loads of dead ones already

AlienatedGoat

Another topic that's been done to death.

You're asking for productive discussion, but you don't provide a productive topic.

ZOS has already said they have no intentions of adding alliance change or class change tokens. Let it be.

TelvanniWizard

You traitorous rascals...

Dont_do_drugs

Yes, it can be expensive or used only once per character. Actually, when i started my acc i didnt have adventurers pack ands didnt care for alliance, as long as right race/class. This becomes a problem now, because i dont want to play in DC or AD.

supaskrub

This thread is nothing more than just another thread on Alliance changing, why create a new one when there are a ton of others no different to this that you could have added your opinion to?.

agegarton

I support it and I want it. There’s absolutely no reason not to have an Alliance Change Token in game.

It should be reasonably priced, and while I agree there should be some common sense regulation to prevent the very unlikely possibility of a player bouncing back and forth between Alliances mid campaign, the token should be readily available like other change tokens.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

yeah sure...