Is there “actually” cheating in PvP?

Rainingblood

I'd bet that a majority of the claims of cheats in the game (PC) are simply the game's garbage lag making things appear to be a cheat of some sort.

rfennell_ESO

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

For the first time ever, I was actually accused of cheating. This happened just yesterday.

Sewers in IC. Fighting a 1v1 with a blue that was camping red’s entrance. It was a really good fight actually. Toward the end, though, I realized everything was just standing still. I saw him standing next to me, but nothing was happening. I had to close app and reopen, and when I did I was still alive (no tel var lost) but stuck in some sort of “invisible cube.”

Couldn’t get out, and had to do eventually do “Get me unstuck” (which subsequently took my tel var anyway lol). Guy messaged me saying “nice hack.”

No idea what caused it. Logic points to the all-time nexus of game faults - lag. Yet I was still accused of cheating. See how easy it is to accuse people of cheating without any sort of proof?

This is how the Salem witch trials began. People crying foul at things they just didn’t understand. Much easier to cast blame on an individual than attempting to think of a legitimate reason for why something occurs.

Yes lag happens all the time. You are right, I killed an EP Sunday I think he just stopped moving, then he wispers me what happened, I told him. But I had no lag so I would imagine it was his isp or cpu ect. Poor guy, wait this happens to me all the time too! Ya screw him.

Using witch hunting is a poor example, it happened because people where high on LSD. From ergot in thier bread. They claimed too see Thier sister flying because they really saw it. In thier poison filled cerebrums. I don't think everyone in the forums or in game is as high as Nick Nolte.

Cheating exists however. I don't see how it cannot.

The real facts that may have been the cause behind the witch trials isn’t my point (and ergot is still conjecture), it’s the reasoning that went in to them. They blamed witches for things they couldn’t explain. Just as many of life’s coincidences are seen as provedence, so too are many things caused by the game seen as cheating.

I mean, the ESO forums are filled with countless examples of how bad the lag is (especially in Cyrodil), that’s why I’m so surprised cheating is blamed for almost anything. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but that given the wealth of other reasons why something might be so, it’s strange to assume the least likely alternative.

It's a fair point. I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another where a reference was made to the old vampire dragonknight (emps mostly, but not only) that were nearly unkillable and you had to spread out and use resto staves or lightning staves to kill as they would reflect all projectiles, you couldn't melee them (you just healed them with their nearly perpetual devouring swarms) and you just had to overload them with damage without feeding them heals.

The cries of "cheater" didn't occur. The forums weren't full of complaints about cheating. It could be that the power of vampire dragonknights was known or could be understood.

Something occurred during IC's lifespan that changed things. People that you could fight started to become godlike. Some said it was CP (and it was in some cases), but when CP became capped some players remained in this super fast at all times and taking half damage from everything and able to barrage you constantly with attacks state. On top of that there were a slew of cheats regarding stamina (including the infamous 0 to 100 with 100,000k regen one), double munduses and then the CE weekend which revealed that some people had indeed been using something entirely else all along.

There are still a fair number of players that seem godlike and it's not skill. They just take less damage, move a bit faster, attack a bit faster and never run out of resources and reply to any questioning of "their skill" with l2p git gud and the typical array of insults. You still see constant passive dodging from players you know to be in heavy armor...

Personally I choose to only play no cp because it's just a lot more obvious when it's going on.

End of the day, you will still have people claiming there is not something going on and anyone saying so needs to "learn to play" or "animation cancelling duh". Nah, people cheat and many have continued (with very noticeable brief periods of not doing it where they are quite killable) using whatever it is they use. It's pretty hard to not look at what happens and not think people are cheating.

Yamakaziing

Big time. Hack central. Whoever is controlling this game from the inside out is doing a whole lot more than a simple CE. The same players want complete control of it, they don’t care who’s fun they ruin. Pvp is still fun, but there are builds out there that should be so much better than they are and it’s very sad to see such neglect with a game I used to love implicitly. With that said it’s also one of the most successful manipulative rigged systems I’ve ever seen. Doing everything they can to forge the game exactly how they want it so the rest are just easy ap.

Iskras

"Is there “actually” cheating in PvP?"

SURE!

Iskras

Rainingblood wrote: »

I'd bet that a majority of the claims of cheats in the game (PC) are simply the game's garbage lag making things appear to be a cheat of some sort.

...no!

Iskras

But the biggest problem is the complete and utter lack of balance in the game. Add this to LAG, to problems with the engine of the game, we will have a 'banquet' ...

The philosophy of ZOS seems to be: 'let's make or make things too easy for some to sell more'.

Dredlord

Iskras wrote: »

But the biggest problem is the complete and utter lack of balance in the game. Add this to LAG, to problems with the engine of the game, we will have a 'banquet' ...

The philosophy of ZOS seems to be: 'let's make or make things too easy for some to sell more'.

Ok I guess I will just say it...

Islas stop cheating and coming to the forums and throwing out red herrings to protect your advantage.

The game is actually quite balanced, much more evident on console because so many less cheaters.

Pc makes it seem like some specs are super op, same spec on console is well balanced. It’s people cheating who make the game seem unbalanced. Some of it also exploiting bugged sets but that also shows up on console and can be accounted for.

Thunderknuckles

Sergykid wrote: »

a cheater who doesn't show out won't be caught. Two ults in two seconds is obvious and will result in a ban.

but i often find people who have infinite stamina and they don't even heavy attack. And i struggle to keep mine up during a 4-5 mins fight, and i'm also using resource poison.

they could just add 500 recovery, or 3k stamina. Who would notice?

I know this whole thread is 3 months old, but I've been becoming more and more suspicious after a year of PvP'ing in Cyro CP. I've been running with some hardcore PvP'ers the last few months (they shall remain nameless) who have opened my eyes to some of the things that go on in Cyro. Many of these top tier "god" players are not what they seem to be. I mentioned fighting people like who you mentioned, Serg, and they pointed out to me, "Why do you suppose that might be?" I was clueless, so they finally told me that a crap ton of macro'ing and CE use still goes on in Cyro. It was very disillusioning.

Anyway, back to what you said about people who cheat wisely and discreetly. If they do it subtly then no one is going to know right away. In fact, it may be near impossible to tell, but when you and several other CP capped players are pounding the dog snot out of 1 player (and they're not the Emp) and 5 minutes later they're still going strong.....something isn't right.

Last week in Vivec I was playing my StamDK and came up on a tankier, high hit point build. My toon is totally geared and specced for PvP. This guy just ran up and in 3 hits took me out. LOL It just seems odd that a high health toon can still dish out THAT much damage. I really expected to be in for a fun battle, but it was over almost as soon as it began. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how a super tanky build can 3 shot another heavy armor wearer (frack, or anyone for that matter). I didn't get mad and whisper the guy at all, but I was definitely suspicious about what had just gone down.

Thogard

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

a cheater who doesn't show out won't be caught. Two ults in two seconds is obvious and will result in a ban.

but i often find people who have infinite stamina and they don't even heavy attack. And i struggle to keep mine up during a 4-5 mins fight, and i'm also using resource poison.

they could just add 500 recovery, or 3k stamina. Who would notice?

I know this whole thread is 3 months old, but I've been becoming more and more suspicious after a year of PvP'ing in Cyro CP. I've been running with some hardcore PvP'ers the last few months (they shall remain nameless) who have opened my eyes to some of the things that go on in Cyro. Many of these top tier "god" players are not what they seem to be. I mentioned fighting people like who you mentioned, Serg, and they pointed out to me, "Why do you suppose that might be?" I was clueless, so they finally told me that a crap ton of macro'ing and CE use still goes on in Cyro. It was very disillusioning.

Anyway, back to what you said about people who cheat wisely and discreetly. If they do it subtly then no one is going to know right away. In fact, it may be near impossible to tell, but when you and several other CP capped players are pounding the dog snot out of 1 player (and they're not the Emp) and 5 minutes later they're still going strong.....something isn't right.

Last week in Vivec I was playing my StamDK and came up on a tankier, high hit point build. My toon is totally geared and specced for PvP. This guy just ran up and in 3 hits took me out. LOL It just seems odd that a high health toon can still dish out THAT much damage. I really expected to be in for a fun battle, but it was over almost as soon as it began. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how a super tanky build can 3 shot another heavy armor wearer (frack, or anyone for that matter). I didn't get mad and whisper the guy at all, but I was definitely suspicious about what had just gone down.

Yeah I do that all the time. And when I was new to the game, it was done to me all the time.

There is 0 cheat engine use going on PC NA. I have never had a suspicious fight. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just bad at the game and is looking for excuses as to why they’re bad rather than looking at themselves and tryIng to get better.

You should stop hanging out with that crowd of “hardcore PvPers” (sounds to me like a zerg ball group that can’t play their own toons so they hide in a ball and crutch on broken game mechanics that remove player skill from the fight equation) and find some actual PvPers who will teach you how to do to others what they are doing to you.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

This thread was ridiculous 3 months ago and has not aged well.

Macros are a minimal benefit and are rarely used, someone can burst you just as easily with manual button presses.

Cheat engine is not being used, platers can achieve unbelievable levels of damage and tankiness just from good theorycrafting and solid play.

SmellyUnlimited

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This thread was ridiculous 3 months ago and has not aged well.

Macros are a minimal benefit and are rarely used, someone can burst you just as easily with manual button presses.

Cheat engine is not being used, platers can achieve unbelievable levels of damage and tankiness just from good theorycrafting and solid play.

Hardly. Countless players shout cheating in Cyrodil everyday. Is there? Can we even know? If there has been PvE exploits (VAS last boss, vMoL Rakkat, etc.) then it’s logical to draw that there are also exploits in PvP. Nightblades use to be able to ambush over keep walls. So if someone is using an exploit, is that not cheating? Despite it being a programming fault, players are still aware that certain things should or shouldn’t be.

In an NFL game, if a QB feels that the ball isn’t properly inflated and doesn’t notify anyone, he’s exploiting that advantage. Knowingly using a condition that ‘should’ not be, but is, to your advantage at another’s detriment.

rimmidimdim

Thogard wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

a cheater who doesn't show out won't be caught. Two ults in two seconds is obvious and will result in a ban.

but i often find people who have infinite stamina and they don't even heavy attack. And i struggle to keep mine up during a 4-5 mins fight, and i'm also using resource poison.

they could just add 500 recovery, or 3k stamina. Who would notice?

I know this whole thread is 3 months old, but I've been becoming more and more suspicious after a year of PvP'ing in Cyro CP. I've been running with some hardcore PvP'ers the last few months (they shall remain nameless) who have opened my eyes to some of the things that go on in Cyro. Many of these top tier "god" players are not what they seem to be. I mentioned fighting people like who you mentioned, Serg, and they pointed out to me, "Why do you suppose that might be?" I was clueless, so they finally told me that a crap ton of macro'ing and CE use still goes on in Cyro. It was very disillusioning.

Anyway, back to what you said about people who cheat wisely and discreetly. If they do it subtly then no one is going to know right away. In fact, it may be near impossible to tell, but when you and several other CP capped players are pounding the dog snot out of 1 player (and they're not the Emp) and 5 minutes later they're still going strong.....something isn't right.

Last week in Vivec I was playing my StamDK and came up on a tankier, high hit point build. My toon is totally geared and specced for PvP. This guy just ran up and in 3 hits took me out. LOL It just seems odd that a high health toon can still dish out THAT much damage. I really expected to be in for a fun battle, but it was over almost as soon as it began. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how a super tanky build can 3 shot another heavy armor wearer (frack, or anyone for that matter). I didn't get mad and whisper the guy at all, but I was definitely suspicious about what had just gone down.

Yeah I do that all the time. And when I was new to the game, it was done to me all the time.

There is 0 cheat engine use going on PC NA. I have never had a suspicious fight. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just bad at the game and is looking for excuses as to why they’re bad rather than looking at themselves and tryIng to get better.

You should stop hanging out with that crowd of “hardcore PvPers” (sounds to me like a zerg ball group that can’t play their own toons so they hide in a ball and crutch on broken game mechanics that remove player skill from the fight equation) and find some actual PvPers who will teach you how to do to others what they are doing to you.

This is correct, most " cheating" is from exploits or other forms of over powerful builds that things don't work properly and people take advantage of them. But no, no cheating as people think of cheating.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This thread was ridiculous 3 months ago and has not aged well.

Macros are a minimal benefit and are rarely used, someone can burst you just as easily with manual button presses.

Cheat engine is not being used, platers can achieve unbelievable levels of damage and tankiness just from good theorycrafting and solid play.

Hardly. Countless players shout cheating in Cyrodil everyday. Is there? Can we even know? If there has been PvE exploits (VAS last boss, vMoL Rakkat, etc.) then it’s logical to draw that there are also exploits in PvP. Nightblades use to be able to ambush over keep walls. So if someone is using an exploit, is that not cheating? Despite it being a programming fault, players are still aware that certain things should or shouldn’t be.

In an NFL game, if a QB feels that the ball isn’t properly inflated and doesn’t notify anyone, he’s exploiting that advantage. Knowingly using a condition that ‘should’ not be, but is, to your advantage at another’s detriment.

Oh yea, exploits, yeah, those get abused. They tend to be highly specific and situational though.

I assumed we were talking about the super vague accusations of cheating, e.g. "This guy is doing too much damage", "This guy is too tanky", "His Snipe>Ambush>Incap combo is hitting too quickly".

People are totally teleporting through walls with gap closers and doing weird BS with the chaosball, but that's all easy to spot.

Kadoin

Who knows...with the amount of bugs, you can't really call anyone a cheater. AoE's being dodged, steel tornado being dodged, 2H weapon allowing you to attack twice in the same frame, running and attacking (sprint bug), etc. all stuff I've seen happen to me and happen to others I've fought with. What's the cause? No clue, but that's why I say ZOS should look into how combat is performing. I had never seen any of these bugs on the PTS, so I honestly wonder if its related to lag. Every one of these questionable situations I've only seen in Vivec, never in a duel.

rfennell_ESO

Thogard wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

a cheater who doesn't show out won't be caught. Two ults in two seconds is obvious and will result in a ban.

but i often find people who have infinite stamina and they don't even heavy attack. And i struggle to keep mine up during a 4-5 mins fight, and i'm also using resource poison.

they could just add 500 recovery, or 3k stamina. Who would notice?

I know this whole thread is 3 months old, but I've been becoming more and more suspicious after a year of PvP'ing in Cyro CP. I've been running with some hardcore PvP'ers the last few months (they shall remain nameless) who have opened my eyes to some of the things that go on in Cyro. Many of these top tier "god" players are not what they seem to be. I mentioned fighting people like who you mentioned, Serg, and they pointed out to me, "Why do you suppose that might be?" I was clueless, so they finally told me that a crap ton of macro'ing and CE use still goes on in Cyro. It was very disillusioning.

Anyway, back to what you said about people who cheat wisely and discreetly. If they do it subtly then no one is going to know right away. In fact, it may be near impossible to tell, but when you and several other CP capped players are pounding the dog snot out of 1 player (and they're not the Emp) and 5 minutes later they're still going strong.....something isn't right.

Last week in Vivec I was playing my StamDK and came up on a tankier, high hit point build. My toon is totally geared and specced for PvP. This guy just ran up and in 3 hits took me out. LOL It just seems odd that a high health toon can still dish out THAT much damage. I really expected to be in for a fun battle, but it was over almost as soon as it began. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how a super tanky build can 3 shot another heavy armor wearer (frack, or anyone for that matter). I didn't get mad and whisper the guy at all, but I was definitely suspicious about what had just gone down.

Yeah I do that all the time. And when I was new to the game, it was done to me all the time.

There is 0 cheat engine use going on PC NA. I have never had a suspicious fight. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just bad at the game and is looking for excuses as to why they’re bad rather than looking at themselves and tryIng to get better.

You should stop hanging out with that crowd of “hardcore PvPers” (sounds to me like a zerg ball group that can’t play their own toons so they hide in a ball and crutch on broken game mechanics that remove player skill from the fight equation) and find some actual PvPers who will teach you how to do to others what they are doing to you.

It does seem you have taken up the mantle of "official denier".

I just can't figure if it's psychological denial, rationalization or sublimation (or all 3).

Of course, it could be just a play on words... "0" cheat engine usage would be true if people hadn't migrated to a program that does the same thing (memory address editing) with a different name. Who knows?

raasdal

Thogard wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

a cheater who doesn't show out won't be caught. Two ults in two seconds is obvious and will result in a ban.

but i often find people who have infinite stamina and they don't even heavy attack. And i struggle to keep mine up during a 4-5 mins fight, and i'm also using resource poison.

they could just add 500 recovery, or 3k stamina. Who would notice?

I know this whole thread is 3 months old, but I've been becoming more and more suspicious after a year of PvP'ing in Cyro CP. I've been running with some hardcore PvP'ers the last few months (they shall remain nameless) who have opened my eyes to some of the things that go on in Cyro. Many of these top tier "god" players are not what they seem to be. I mentioned fighting people like who you mentioned, Serg, and they pointed out to me, "Why do you suppose that might be?" I was clueless, so they finally told me that a crap ton of macro'ing and CE use still goes on in Cyro. It was very disillusioning.

Anyway, back to what you said about people who cheat wisely and discreetly. If they do it subtly then no one is going to know right away. In fact, it may be near impossible to tell, but when you and several other CP capped players are pounding the dog snot out of 1 player (and they're not the Emp) and 5 minutes later they're still going strong.....something isn't right.

Last week in Vivec I was playing my StamDK and came up on a tankier, high hit point build. My toon is totally geared and specced for PvP. This guy just ran up and in 3 hits took me out. LOL It just seems odd that a high health toon can still dish out THAT much damage. I really expected to be in for a fun battle, but it was over almost as soon as it began. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how a super tanky build can 3 shot another heavy armor wearer (frack, or anyone for that matter). I didn't get mad and whisper the guy at all, but I was definitely suspicious about what had just gone down.

Yeah I do that all the time. And when I was new to the game, it was done to me all the time.

There is 0 cheat engine use going on PC NA. I have never had a suspicious fight. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just bad at the game and is looking for excuses as to why they’re bad rather than looking at themselves and tryIng to get better.

You should stop hanging out with that crowd of “hardcore PvPers” (sounds to me like a zerg ball group that can’t play their own toons so they hide in a ball and crutch on broken game mechanics that remove player skill from the fight equation) and find some actual PvPers who will teach you how to do to others what they are doing to you.

So true. Same here on PC EU on my experience.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

a cheater who doesn't show out won't be caught. Two ults in two seconds is obvious and will result in a ban.

but i often find people who have infinite stamina and they don't even heavy attack. And i struggle to keep mine up during a 4-5 mins fight, and i'm also using resource poison.

they could just add 500 recovery, or 3k stamina. Who would notice?

I know this whole thread is 3 months old, but I've been becoming more and more suspicious after a year of PvP'ing in Cyro CP. I've been running with some hardcore PvP'ers the last few months (they shall remain nameless) who have opened my eyes to some of the things that go on in Cyro. Many of these top tier "god" players are not what they seem to be. I mentioned fighting people like who you mentioned, Serg, and they pointed out to me, "Why do you suppose that might be?" I was clueless, so they finally told me that a crap ton of macro'ing and CE use still goes on in Cyro. It was very disillusioning.

Anyway, back to what you said about people who cheat wisely and discreetly. If they do it subtly then no one is going to know right away. In fact, it may be near impossible to tell, but when you and several other CP capped players are pounding the dog snot out of 1 player (and they're not the Emp) and 5 minutes later they're still going strong.....something isn't right.

Last week in Vivec I was playing my StamDK and came up on a tankier, high hit point build. My toon is totally geared and specced for PvP. This guy just ran up and in 3 hits took me out. LOL It just seems odd that a high health toon can still dish out THAT much damage. I really expected to be in for a fun battle, but it was over almost as soon as it began. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how a super tanky build can 3 shot another heavy armor wearer (frack, or anyone for that matter). I didn't get mad and whisper the guy at all, but I was definitely suspicious about what had just gone down.

Yeah I do that all the time. And when I was new to the game, it was done to me all the time.

There is 0 cheat engine use going on PC NA. I have never had a suspicious fight. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just bad at the game and is looking for excuses as to why they’re bad rather than looking at themselves and tryIng to get better.

You should stop hanging out with that crowd of “hardcore PvPers” (sounds to me like a zerg ball group that can’t play their own toons so they hide in a ball and crutch on broken game mechanics that remove player skill from the fight equation) and find some actual PvPers who will teach you how to do to others what they are doing to you.

It does seem you have taken up the mantle of "official denier".

I just can't figure if it's psychological denial, rationalization or sublimation (or all 3).

Of course, it could be just a play on words... "0" cheat engine usage would be true if people hadn't migrated to a program that does the same thing (memory address editing) with a different name. Who knows?

Unequip tinfoil hat and deconstruct. Will do you more good as raw mats. I promise.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Are we talking about real cheating or the calls in zone chat by a bad player when they get beat by an experienced player? (playing on EU I wondered if "cheater" was a mistranslation of "skilled" for quite a while)

I've seen people exploiting, sadly usually good players who don't even need to use any exploits. Then there are the same zone callers as before, who think a zerg using ZOS branded cheese skills as exploiting.

I've seen things that make me wonder if some players are using some kind of cheat, again these are good players who wouldn't need to cheat, but some things go beyond lag/bugs and ability.

The "one combo" gankers, well maybe ZOS was too kind when handing out the cheese, but seeing someone die instantly with no sign of an enemy around should not happen, especially when someone should have been visible for at least 2 seconds for the amount of skills they just used.

Thogard

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

a cheater who doesn't show out won't be caught. Two ults in two seconds is obvious and will result in a ban.

but i often find people who have infinite stamina and they don't even heavy attack. And i struggle to keep mine up during a 4-5 mins fight, and i'm also using resource poison.

they could just add 500 recovery, or 3k stamina. Who would notice?

I know this whole thread is 3 months old, but I've been becoming more and more suspicious after a year of PvP'ing in Cyro CP. I've been running with some hardcore PvP'ers the last few months (they shall remain nameless) who have opened my eyes to some of the things that go on in Cyro. Many of these top tier "god" players are not what they seem to be. I mentioned fighting people like who you mentioned, Serg, and they pointed out to me, "Why do you suppose that might be?" I was clueless, so they finally told me that a crap ton of macro'ing and CE use still goes on in Cyro. It was very disillusioning.

Anyway, back to what you said about people who cheat wisely and discreetly. If they do it subtly then no one is going to know right away. In fact, it may be near impossible to tell, but when you and several other CP capped players are pounding the dog snot out of 1 player (and they're not the Emp) and 5 minutes later they're still going strong.....something isn't right.

Last week in Vivec I was playing my StamDK and came up on a tankier, high hit point build. My toon is totally geared and specced for PvP. This guy just ran up and in 3 hits took me out. LOL It just seems odd that a high health toon can still dish out THAT much damage. I really expected to be in for a fun battle, but it was over almost as soon as it began. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how a super tanky build can 3 shot another heavy armor wearer (frack, or anyone for that matter). I didn't get mad and whisper the guy at all, but I was definitely suspicious about what had just gone down.

Yeah I do that all the time. And when I was new to the game, it was done to me all the time.

There is 0 cheat engine use going on PC NA. I have never had a suspicious fight. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just bad at the game and is looking for excuses as to why they’re bad rather than looking at themselves and tryIng to get better.

You should stop hanging out with that crowd of “hardcore PvPers” (sounds to me like a zerg ball group that can’t play their own toons so they hide in a ball and crutch on broken game mechanics that remove player skill from the fight equation) and find some actual PvPers who will teach you how to do to others what they are doing to you.

It does seem you have taken up the mantle of "official denier".

I just can't figure if it's psychological denial, rationalization or sublimation (or all 3).

Of course, it could be just a play on words... "0" cheat engine usage would be true if people hadn't migrated to a program that does the same thing (memory address editing) with a different name. Who knows?

I’ve also called out quite a few people for exploiting and have made videos demonstrating.

But there is a difference between exploiting - which happens - and hacking, which isn’t being seen at the moment.

Also keep in mind that I am the guy who made the post and posted the video of the questionable jump that people like you say got kodi banned. It was just lag and that isn’t why kodi was banned, but according to your type I’m a god damn anti-cheating hero.

RebornV3x

I play on Xbox And PvP regularly and ive maybe seen a 4 or 5 legitimate cheats since console release that nobody has to this day been able to explain to me what it is that could have happened without cheats being used

wolveman

I caught plenty of players cheating exploits the game I been a pc building sense widows 95 that's pretty old so all those years on pc and now through Xbox I can figure out who is doing what and how .
I reported my share of players between botting to exploits through other things not proud of it but these kids don't care how many accounts get banned or how many systems get bricked .
All.they do is get another system new account they do it all over again.
Here's a flag most of these cheaters have a very low game score and they always off line not hard to figure these players out I play dumb and I watch for it as soon I see it blame they are history .

Mr_Walker

Hmmm. Bit of a necro, but I didn't do it, soooooo.....

Macroing? Easy peasy. Remember, a macro is only a basic set of commands issued by your controller (whatever that may be) to your console/PC. That's pretty basic stuff, even if it's not particularly useful it could be done to LA ani-cancel pretty simply and reliably. Think about a programmable entertainment centre remote. I have one I've programmed to do all sorts of things, such as dig into sub-menus to turn subtitles on/off, turn off all the gear in my home theatre etc. Same principle. Basic literally programming 101 stuff.

Hacking the data stream to *** stats etc is another matter entirely.

Knootewoot

Between the lag and server instability, you can never tell.

They might hack, but it also might be a desync problem. Many people who die in the game look for a scapegoat.

People referring to macro user mostly got one shot by someone. Add some lag to the animation cancelling, some uber stamina damage and desync and you got yourself a recipe for angry people.

SpiderCultist

the main problem with ESO is MACROers

raasdal

SpiderCultist wrote: »

the main problem with ESO is MACROers

Smh, i can do anything a Macro can, better with my muscle memory and ability to adapt. Tried it. Tested it.

ApostateHobo

Idk if I've seen hacking sort of cheating in eso seems like it'd be a pain on ps4 anyways, but I've definitely seen exploit kinda cheating. Like that assgoblin on ps4 NA vivec that was using his friend on another alliance to glitch him into keeps and crap to steal scrolls. I've seen other questionable and odd stuff, but no idea if it was legit cheating or not.

MetalHead4x4

It still exists, and I can prove it. I sent this to the Devs through normal channels, and the guy still plays, still pulls off the same crap. Like most people who PvP, I run a combat log addon. It logs EVERYTHING. Every heal, every dodge, every attack etc. so explain this. This is a well known AD NB pulling this off, note the circled areas. Look at all that incoming damage it says I'm blocking, and what does the log say? It mysteriously doesn't say what attacks are hitting me, or who is doing it, just that its damage. It's being obscured. Note the time stamp? Note the second screenshot showing that I was killed by said person at that same time stamp. It begs the question, why doesn't it say what he's hitting me with, and that its him thats hitting me? Why is the log blank for him? It's being OBSCURED by a 3rd party program, thats why.





Larger versions:
https://i.imgur.com/AevlAwE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QD5oYkp.jpg

There is no "damage" that doesn't have a source.

technohic

Always disappointing these threads as we never get the answer, and never will. There is always something that seems fishy and always something that can explain it It's certainly possible to have cheats I am sure; but there is a burdon of proof and accusations go well beyond the likely.

Really; people will determine for themselves to believe what they want. I know I have seen some things that seem fishy; but then I have also been running with people who think someone else is cheating when I know what those people are doing and it is not cheating.

Vapirko

When I first started PvP I thought a ton of people were cheating and I was sure there could be no other explanation. Now that I’ve gotten gud (or a least much better) I don’t think anyone is cheating. I’ve only encountered one person in the last few years that seemed freakishly strong and I have no explanation for, but I’d still hesitate to call it cheating.

Squidgaurd

Could be server lag and then it could be actual cheats. Example had a friend who fought a guy who jest ran at the speed of *** impossible since the expedition nerf back to the keep. And had a guildy who fought a guy who legit was not able to be targeted. But this game is fukin broken as hell too like sometimes in the dreeping drome stage you beacome invisible and targetable but you still register in combat. Or like how snares overwrite each other, ever been perma snared by shrowded daggers.

Squidgaurd

The snipe gank combo is just muscle memory if you do something long enough you eventualy reach the point where canceling combos beacomes trivial.