"It will always be items worse than what you can craft" №2

Slick_007

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno any updates of this issue?

there is no issue.

i really love how you also claimed: "i must to ask you now, and it will be a huge voice from all community"

that huge voice, its there, just not on your side.

Dude, just stop before embarrassing yourself further

ClockworkCityBugs

Slick_007 wrote: »

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno any updates of this issue?

there is no issue.

i really love how you also claimed: "i must to ask you now, and it will be a huge voice from all community"

that huge voice, its there, just not on your side.

Dude, just stop before embarrassing yourself further

just stop and check how many Agreed at first post first

Slick_007

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

just stop and check how many Agreed at first post first

not as many as agreed with opposing posts. please, feel free to count them.

ClockworkCityBugs

i counted them too
still not enough

starkerealm

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

i counted them too
still not enough

Yeah, but at the same time, those are people who can't be bothered to express a position. They just go, "yep, I want stuff," *click.*

Merlin13KAGL

Let me summarize:

• P2W means paying IRL money to gain a distinct advantage over another player. This can be through a skill/item that is otherwise unobtainable using normal methods. This could also be by expediting progression beyond what is possible through normal gameplay.
• Using this definition the thing that makes the research scrolls P2W is gives you access to gear that is not possible to access through normal gameplay.
• The thing that makes part two true is this:
  1. It's the only way to obtain 9 trait gear. (Well, you can research it normally.)
  2. It's the only way to obtain 9 trait gear. (I suppose there are other master crafters out there that could make the gear you need).
  3. Ok, so maybe it's not the only way to obtain 9 trait gear, but.... (To be fair, it can be used to gain the same advantage as someone who has spent large amounts of time researching. It can also be used to gain the same advantage as someone who never researches a single item trait, because someone else can still make the gear for them.)

There is no P2W advantage to be had here.

The only possible benefit would be in regard to Transmutation, and you do not require 9 traits to do so. Hint: if you reseach Nirn'd first - it takes 6 whole hours. Keep the scrap traits for last - you gain nothing that is not available half a dozen other ways by using these.

starkerealm

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Let me summarize:

• P2W means paying IRL money to gain a distinct advantage over another player. This can be through a skill/item that is otherwise unobtainable using normal methods. This could also be by expediting progression beyond what is possible through normal gameplay.
• Using this definition the thing that makes the research scrolls P2W is gives you access to gear that is not possible to access through normal gameplay.
• The thing that makes part two true is this:
  1. It's the only way to obtain 9 trait gear. (Well, you can research it normally.)
  2. It's the only way to obtain 9 trait gear. (I suppose there are other master crafters out there that could make the gear you need).
  3. Ok, so maybe it's not the only way to obtain 9 trait gear, but.... (To be fair, it can be used to gain the same advantage as someone who has spent large amounts of time researching. It can also be used to gain the same advantage as someone who never researches a single item trait, because someone else can still make the gear for them.)

There is no P2W advantage to be had here.

The only possible benefit would be in regard to Transmutation, and you do not require 9 traits to do so. Hint: if you reseach Nirn'd first - it takes 6 whole hours. Keep the scrap traits for last - you gain nothing that is not available half a dozen other ways by using these.

Also, worth remembering in this whole, "pop 2k in, get a 9 trait crafter out," concept, you're still going to need to track down examples of every single trait in the game. Most of them, okay, whatever, not a problem, but when you get to grabbing all 34 nirnhoned items, that's going to set you back around 300k (current going rates on PCNA.)

JKorr

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

i will wait for ingame version of scrolls
until that i will not make any crafters on my account

um....okay. Whatever you say. Not sure why I'm getting a mental image of a very young individual stamping their foot and being dramatic.....

Of course you not making any crafters isn't really going to cause much grief or discomfort to anyone but yourself.

You do realize that, if you will not make any crafters on your account, you are ignoring using food and drinks [provisioning] to boost health/magicka/stamina, you are ignoring enchanting to boost your armor and weapons [enchanting], *and* you are ignoring any potions and/or poisons that would boost damage, give you weapon crit, and refill health/stamina/magicka during a fight [alchemy]? All of the crafting is still "crafting" whether or not you do trait research for it.

And the options for others to ask for crafters to make gear, food, potions, and glyphs are still all there and available for players to take advantage of.

Algraxa

Once you have a level 50 and have completed the content... The main story quest, specifically, they should allow you to choose, start at lvl 1 or start at lvl 50. No need to grind the whole damn thing over IMO.