Pick one of these Nightblade nerfs...

Solariken

...or submit to your new Nightblade meta overlords.

/discuss

Lynx7386

Thou shalt not nerf

Shadow abilities no longer grant Ward/Resolve but cleanse roots/snares when activated

Yea, siphon nerf wasn't enough, lets poke the nightblade tanks with a stick while they bleed out.

Solariken

Add an anti-invisibility debuff to Soul Trap and Backlash exactly like Piercing Mark

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Shadow abilities no longer grant Ward/Resolve but cleanse roots/snares when activated

Yea, siphon nerf wasn't enough, lets poke the nightblade tanks with a stick while they bleed out.

There are other decent options available for those buffs.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

i want to pick all

Lynx7386

Thou shalt not nerf

Here's another poll option for you:
Stop nerfing everything because of scrub pvpers. Every patch the trials groups have to find new workarounds for all the nerfs that happened because of PvP - maybe we should let pvpers figure it out for once.

Asmael

Thou shalt not nerf

Thou shalt change Expert Hunter to reveal hidden enemies from 6 to 8 meters tho.

JobooAGS

Thou shalt not nerf

Nerfing nbs more? Heretic!!

GrumpyDuckling

What is the point of this thread? Just like the other thread in this section about nerfing cloak, there's no strong reasoning being stated for why any of these listed nerfs should take place, which leaves the only legitimate option (no nerf).

Either give strong reasoning to support why a nerf should occur, or move on.

Solariken

Add an anti-invisibility debuff to Soul Trap and Backlash exactly like Piercing Mark

Asmael wrote: »

Thou shalt change Expert Hunter to reveal hidden enemies from 6 to 8 meters tho.

That's nowhere near enough. Multiple passives available in game that reduce that effective radius to almost nothing. Also one dodgeroll almost creates that entire gap.

Lynx7386

Thou shalt not nerf

Solariken wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Thou shalt change Expert Hunter to reveal hidden enemies from 6 to 8 meters tho.

That's nowhere near enough. Multiple passives available in game that reduce that effective radius to almost nothing. Also one dodgeroll almost creates that entire gap.

1. Detection increase and reduction passives only apply to sneak. Invisibility is always revealed by its counters regardless of stealth perks.

2. You can't dodge roll while cloaked without breaking cloak, which reveals your location and direction of movement to the attacker.

3. There are more than enough counters to both stealth and cloak in the game already, not even taking into account all the bugs that plague cloak and have since launch.

4. Get good.

VaranisArano

Another guy having problems with nightblades and therefore assuming that every other non-nightblade player has problems with nightblades in PVP?

I'm embarrassed for the state of PVP.

Ragnaroek93

Rofl. Basically the dot surpression nerf is the only option which wouldn't be a complete overnerf (would "only" be an instaloss against dot builds, which are already dominating duels).

Funny thing is that I agree with Cloak being too strong but your nerf suggestions are ridiculous.

ccfeeling

Why dont remove this class?
What's your next move ? U gonna complain an other class again

temjiu

Here's the solution:
Separate PvP and PvE. different skill effects for each one. Then they can gut PvP skills to their hearts content and PvE can continue to have their gameplay as well.

Solariken

Add an anti-invisibility debuff to Soul Trap and Backlash exactly like Piercing Mark

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Thou shalt change Expert Hunter to reveal hidden enemies from 6 to 8 meters tho.

That's nowhere near enough. Multiple passives available in game that reduce that effective radius to almost nothing. Also one dodgeroll almost creates that entire gap.

4. Get good.

Or I could just play my Nightblades instead since the skill floor for both varieties has bottomed out with the recent buffs. That's probably what most people will do, and PvP will just be a big game of Nightblade whack-a-mole.

Ragnaroek93

Solariken wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Thou shalt change Expert Hunter to reveal hidden enemies from 6 to 8 meters tho.

That's nowhere near enough. Multiple passives available in game that reduce that effective radius to almost nothing. Also one dodgeroll almost creates that entire gap.

4. Get good.

Or I could just play my Nightblades instead since the skill floor for both varieties has bottomed out with the recent buffs. That's probably what most people will do, and PvP will just be a big game of Nightblade whack-a-mole.

Yeah, please just play Nightblade and come up with better nerf suggestions which wouldn't kill the class <.<

Pinja

Just show me the triggered forumblade comments

Out of all one of the biggest advantages to cloak Is the automatic projectile absorption.
How this move is now it's more effective then the morph effect of Ball of lighting which begins to absorb projectiles a global after its cast.
As a nerf I'd remove this aspect of cloak from the base ability & the guaranteed crit morph. Making it possible for projectiles that where already cast on a stealthing target hit rather then miss on these two versions of cloak.
Why & How.
Well other then being the greatest projectile shield & damage mitigation, a Night blade looking to gain from the free crit of the modified morph is now simply forced to roll dodge before use. I:E it wont be a free 4 second dodge cool down for stamblades to get away from the already built in penalty resulting in unlimited cloaks and roll dodge putting them above par from other stam classes standard of sustain.

This also adds 'build variation' without completely killing a move. If you want the old standard of survival on a mag blade use the other morph, if you want to change it back for the extra damage risks are involved.

Also having that whole purify the world from night blades with backlash is also a good idea.
The Backlash from living in the shadows...

Minalan

Thou shalt not nerf

Oh look, another nerf nightblade post!

Look, they’re fine. If you’re having trouble, ask for help here.

Icy_Waffles

If you cant counter a nightblade, you need to seriously rethink your gaming ability.

If anything, in some situations, they need a buff.

Skander

Cannot receive healing while invisible/Cloaked

Increase the cost of cloack.

ak_pvp

No regen in cloak. Make it like mist form.

Dracane

Add an anti-invisibility debuff to Soul Trap and Backlash exactly like Piercing Mark

This soultrap idea is interesting, this ability has been weak since beta and the soul scourge passive has always been more convenient for filling soul gems as you go.

I wish they would make soul trap more interesting.

Marginis

Shadow abilities no longer grant Ward/Resolve but cleanse roots/snares when activated

O.o I like the cleanse idea.

Also I'm a nightblade main.

A nightblade TANK main.

Narvuntien

Add an anti-invisibility debuff to Soul Trap and Backlash exactly like Piercing Mark

Well I mean I am technically a night-blade main.. although I have been playing a low level stamden on Kyne recently.

Nightblades are really annoying there, they can't 1 shot you like vivec, but they just appear and reappear at will... it isn't too bad in that they can't actually kill you fast its just that you can't get them to go away.

I have taken to firing endless hail onto of my siege users to ward them off.

More skills that reveal characters in stealth seems like a good way to solve the frustration.

I think the current issue with NBs is that they have the highest dps and the highest burst and the best sustain. But... I'd still prefer buffs to the other classes.. Sorcs need to be doing more dps than NBs, Templars need better tankiness and CC so they can better fight in your face, MagDKs need more sustain.

DK: Sustain, Tankiness
Sorc: Dps, Shields
Temp: Healing and well the rest got nerfed.
NB: Burst, Sustain
Warden: Tanky, Healing

CaliMade

Cloak no longer suppresses any DOT damage

You know someone has no actual counter argument when the say Get Good or L2P.
Im really really tired of seeing those two statements on threads justified or not. Like its too hard to come up with a valid and non fallible reason why something should or shoudnt be changed. I guess thats why they call them forum trolls. I do think that allowing DOTS to tick in stealth is a really good change tho. As a compensation, buff fear to CC up to 4 targets maybe even 6. I like fear as a defensive ability in OW and its pretty cheesy to get ganged up on and fear but only CC 2 people. Its also cheesy to completely supress DOTS and get perma-crit vigor tics at the same time, Major mending be damned, ill take perma crit vigor any day of the week.

f047ys3v3n

Shadow abilities no longer grant Ward/Resolve but cleanse roots/snares when activated

Actually, I would prefer the trade of ward/resolve for the shadow abilities to cleanse roots and snares. As a mag toon (for the moment) roots and snares are a huge issue. Our only counter for these is purge and this is not a real counter as it applies no immunity duration so if your in an AOE DOT snare you are still snared (this does not even mention the bloody cost of the thing). Mutagen, and similar class skills, that are supposed to remove negative effects, actually do not consider snares and roots negative effects. Similarly, twisting path, and other mobility skills, do not include a drop of root in the way that stam mobility skills do and so really do not grant any mobility in the root and snare mess that Cyr now is.

I know that you were not thinking mag blades anyway but I thought it would be interesting to throw in just what a bad state mag mobility is in and how that has effected mag Cyr toons. When my mNB can't get around you know how the mTemplars or mDK's would feel if there were any left. Most folks are switching to stam toons these days for very good reason. Stam has better mobility, better CC, better AOE, better single target, better intrinsic resistances, better and cheaper ultimates, and better sustain. The lack of shields, lesser (though not as much as it used to be) ranged damage, and less heals (unless your a warden or sorc) are a small price to pay.

As for the whole invisibility thing, if you had any mag toons left in Cyr they could run scorching flare (I know, nobody does though it is basically an insta kill for a nb who cloaks and gets caught) or, you could reveal and damage them with the ranged impulse morph. This is really effective BTW. I light up other poor sucker Nb's with flame ring all the time and it exposes + damages them. mNB's never get away from a group I am in. There are plenty of counters to going invisible with cloak.

FloppyTouch

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Here's another poll option for you:
Stop nerfing everything because of scrub pvpers. Every patch the trials groups have to find new workarounds for all the nerfs that happened because of PvP - maybe we should let pvpers figure it out for once.

Bc pve players use cloak in trials? Please only complain about nerfs that would actually affect you otherwise you just look stupid.

Trial lead: crap we can't cloak the boss to death anymore screw pvp players

Apache_Kid

Thou shalt not nerf

Why aren't there any buffs to choose from?

Morgul667

Thou shalt not nerf

Stop the nerfs, buff the others

Slick_007

which one affects sorcs?

Sixty5

Just show me the triggered forumblade comments

Nightblades are fine.

You just aren't wearing your anti-gank undies.