Account wide achievements seriously....
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✭✭✭Mount upgrades is all that i think should be account shared from what isn't currently shared. Mount training puts a lot of people off making other characters. I mean, yeah, we could all make a new toon a month or so in advance, train it to some extent, but a month later we may no longer want to play that specific toon or have different ideas what we would like to do.
I suspect mount training is such a CS money spinner that we'll never likely see account bound mount training implemented.0 -
Raghul✭✭✭could be odd to run arround in low lvl char like lvl 10 with a Grand Overlord title? or Flawless? or any other title u just dont get the first hour u play the game?
As a player who has flawless and dromathra destroyer on multiple charachters, i would still like them to be accountwide aswell, it is not the characer who completed it, but the player behind the screen
Still u NEVER will be able to get those title at lvl 10. and if u made it with your pet/shield sorc dont mena that u deserve to run flawless title on your stamplar?
But i didn't get it on heavy attack pet sorc
dislike the playstile bigtime. And if you don't like the idea of lvl 10 with those title they could easily implement them to be unlocked at lvl 50 on your alts. It stays the same either way.
Wether someone deserves it or not on a stamplar is your opinion, heck there are probably ppl who have got flawless with CE back in the day and still rolling with the titleAeg4n
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if you want separate achieves for role, I'm fine with that. I'd say it's pretty clear that someone probably didn't clear vMoL as a tank on their DPS or by DPSing with their healer...Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
It has entirely nothing to do with people playing a different class/role.Of course it is optional. Playing ESO is optional.
This is merely a request to make end game players that collect achievements have more room to play their alt and try different play style.
It encourage people to play different class and different role.
Its a good thing.
Just because you can clear (enter content here) on your templar healer, does not automatically mean you can clear same content on your NB DPS or your Warden tank. The good stuff, skins, dyes, costumes, are already account wide once you unlock them.
What (missing) achievement is the one that bothers you so?
Actually, it's both. See above.could be odd to run arround in low lvl char like lvl 10 with a Grand Overlord title? or Flawless? or any other title u just dont get the first hour u play the game?
As a player who has flawless and dromathra destroyer on multiple charachters, i would still like them to be accountwide aswell, it is not the characer who completed it, but the player behind the screen
Yes it is the player who complete the achievement not the toon, that is the logic behind it.
Clearance on one does not automatically guarantee clearance on the other, and different roles/classes play very differently, requiring different levels of mastery.
Well in that case then toons are not supposed to change skills and roles, but they can and they do.
Again, what achivement are you missing that precludes you playing the game?
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on February 26, 2018 1:06PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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don_kwek✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
if you want separate achieves for role, I'm fine with that. I'd say it's pretty clear that someone probably didn't clear vMoL as a tank on their DPS or by DPSing with their healer...Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
It has entirely nothing to do with people playing a different class/role.Of course it is optional. Playing ESO is optional.
This is merely a request to make end game players that collect achievements have more room to play their alt and try different play style.
It encourage people to play different class and different role.
Its a good thing.
Just because you can clear (enter content here) on your templar healer, does not automatically mean you can clear same content on your NB DPS or your Warden tank. The good stuff, skins, dyes, costumes, are already account wide once you unlock them.
What (missing) achievement is the one that bothers you so?
Actually, it's both. See above.could be odd to run arround in low lvl char like lvl 10 with a Grand Overlord title? or Flawless? or any other title u just dont get the first hour u play the game?
As a player who has flawless and dromathra destroyer on multiple charachters, i would still like them to be accountwide aswell, it is not the characer who completed it, but the player behind the screen
Yes it is the player who complete the achievement not the toon, that is the logic behind it.
Clearance on one does not automatically guarantee clearance on the other, and different roles/classes play very differently, requiring different levels of mastery.
Well in that case then toons are not supposed to change skills and roles, but they can and they do.
Again, what achivement are you missing that precludes you playing the game?
Nothing, this is a request to improve the game.
Look, there is a ridiculous amount of achievement to keep up with in this game with DLC and all.
As someone who tries to get everything, we are stuck with one toon. While we have many other that we would like to have fun with thats it.
And it doesnt affect you, if you dont care about achievements just dont look at it. If you do then this would give you the choice to play all the other 5 classes and 3 roles as youd like. Its in the spirit of ESO.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
Edited by don_kwek on February 26, 2018 1:17PM1 -
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✭✭If anything it adds more unnecessary grind to the game for example I don't have a lot of skill points on my Mag DK but my Stam has almost all since it's my main; It would be nice to get all my skill points on my Mag DK too.
Then go get the skyshards...
I understand why the achievements aren't account wide. At the same time though I could see some that should be account wide. Skill point/skyshard hunting though should not be an account wide achievement.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The forums are full of threads of players who want to play differently and want the game changed to suit their playstyle.
Personally, I am not against account wide achievements, but things like titles should not be shared account wide. Earned Master Angler on the Sorc, only the Sorc has the title. Cleared vMoL HM on the DK then only the DK has the title.
But one could still look at their account wide achievements and see they have accomplished it on at least one character.Judging by how hostile some people are about this account wide comment.
I suspect they make real money out of it from illegal service of some sort ? Perhaps selling achievements ?
I dont know i just find it absurd to see a very select few seems to really go against it when they got nothing to lose (or do they ?)
No, people are against the idea because they don't like it.
When people disagree with you, it is not because they are somehow breaking the rules or making money out of something. It's simply because they don't agree with your idea.
Well the last vote shows more people wants it.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
I am simply wondering why the nayers are so loud.
As far as the poll you linked, it's value is entertainment only just like any other forum poll. It is just not statistically sound and Zos is aware of that.Edited by idk on February 26, 2018 1:46PM1 -
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✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
if you want separate achieves for role, I'm fine with that. I'd say it's pretty clear that someone probably didn't clear vMoL as a tank on their DPS or by DPSing with their healer...Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
It has entirely nothing to do with people playing a different class/role.Of course it is optional. Playing ESO is optional.
This is merely a request to make end game players that collect achievements have more room to play their alt and try different play style.
It encourage people to play different class and different role.
Its a good thing.
Just because you can clear (enter content here) on your templar healer, does not automatically mean you can clear same content on your NB DPS or your Warden tank. The good stuff, skins, dyes, costumes, are already account wide once you unlock them.
What (missing) achievement is the one that bothers you so?
Actually, it's both. See above.could be odd to run arround in low lvl char like lvl 10 with a Grand Overlord title? or Flawless? or any other title u just dont get the first hour u play the game?
As a player who has flawless and dromathra destroyer on multiple charachters, i would still like them to be accountwide aswell, it is not the characer who completed it, but the player behind the screen
Yes it is the player who complete the achievement not the toon, that is the logic behind it.
Clearance on one does not automatically guarantee clearance on the other, and different roles/classes play very differently, requiring different levels of mastery.
Well in that case then toons are not supposed to change skills and roles, but they can and they do.
Again, what achivement are you missing that precludes you playing the game?
Nothing, this is a request to improve the game.
Look, there is a ridiculous amount of achievement to keep up with in this game with DLC and all.
As someone who tries to get everything, we are stuck with one toon. While we have many other that we would like to have fun with thats it.
And it doesnt affect you, if you dont care about achievements just dont look at it. If you do then this would give you the choice to play all the other 5 classes and 3 roles as youd like. Its in the spirit of ESO.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
The majority of folk who play the game do not frequent the forums. The only real way to do a poll is at login. You are seeing a fraction of the player base so it's best not to put too much credence into polls around here.
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✭✭could be odd to run arround in low lvl char like lvl 10 with a Grand Overlord title? or Flawless? or any other title u just dont get the first hour u play the game?
As a player who has flawless and dromathra destroyer on multiple charachters, i would still like them to be accountwide aswell, it is not the characer who completed it, but the player behind the screen
Only partly true. They may have completed it on a sorc but have absolutely no idea about playing a nightblade.
Titles like that should be character based. And this is from someone who has 14 chars.0 -
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You realize you kind of counter your own argument with this, right?Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
if you want separate achieves for role, I'm fine with that. I'd say it's pretty clear that someone probably didn't clear vMoL as a tank on their DPS or by DPSing with their healer...Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
It has entirely nothing to do with people playing a different class/role.Of course it is optional. Playing ESO is optional.
This is merely a request to make end game players that collect achievements have more room to play their alt and try different play style.
It encourage people to play different class and different role.
Its a good thing.
Just because you can clear (enter content here) on your templar healer, does not automatically mean you can clear same content on your NB DPS or your Warden tank. The good stuff, skins, dyes, costumes, are already account wide once you unlock them.
What (missing) achievement is the one that bothers you so?
Actually, it's both. See above.could be odd to run arround in low lvl char like lvl 10 with a Grand Overlord title? or Flawless? or any other title u just dont get the first hour u play the game?
As a player who has flawless and dromathra destroyer on multiple charachters, i would still like them to be accountwide aswell, it is not the characer who completed it, but the player behind the screen
Yes it is the player who complete the achievement not the toon, that is the logic behind it.
Clearance on one does not automatically guarantee clearance on the other, and different roles/classes play very differently, requiring different levels of mastery.
Well in that case then toons are not supposed to change skills and roles, but they can and they do.
Again, what achivement are you missing that precludes you playing the game?
Nothing, this is a request to improve the game.
Look, there is a ridiculous amount of achievement to keep up with in this game with DLC and all.
As someone who tries to get everything, we are stuck with one toon. While we have many other that we would like to have fun with thats it.
And it doesnt affect you, if you dont care about achievements just dont look at it. If you do then this would give you the choice to play all the other 5 classes and 3 roles as youd like. Its in the spirit of ESO.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
If you're truly a completionist, you'd want to earn those on all alts. if you're not (you're basically asking for credit from a different alt), the most of the missing achieves won't matter one way or the other.
If you're looking for an account-wide summary of achieves, that's something I could be on board with.
Also, I have to assume you're talking about all achieves, not just things like Undaunted, shards, lorebooks, etc?
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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BloodWolfe✭✭✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »Only thing I wish to be account wide is mount speed and stamina
I agree with this one, other stuff (especially skill points from skyshards) shouldn't be.1 -
don_kwek✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
You realize you kind of counter your own argument with this, right?Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
if you want separate achieves for role, I'm fine with that. I'd say it's pretty clear that someone probably didn't clear vMoL as a tank on their DPS or by DPSing with their healer...Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
It has entirely nothing to do with people playing a different class/role.Of course it is optional. Playing ESO is optional.
This is merely a request to make end game players that collect achievements have more room to play their alt and try different play style.
It encourage people to play different class and different role.
Its a good thing.
Just because you can clear (enter content here) on your templar healer, does not automatically mean you can clear same content on your NB DPS or your Warden tank. The good stuff, skins, dyes, costumes, are already account wide once you unlock them.
What (missing) achievement is the one that bothers you so?
Actually, it's both. See above.could be odd to run arround in low lvl char like lvl 10 with a Grand Overlord title? or Flawless? or any other title u just dont get the first hour u play the game?
As a player who has flawless and dromathra destroyer on multiple charachters, i would still like them to be accountwide aswell, it is not the characer who completed it, but the player behind the screen
Yes it is the player who complete the achievement not the toon, that is the logic behind it.
Clearance on one does not automatically guarantee clearance on the other, and different roles/classes play very differently, requiring different levels of mastery.
Well in that case then toons are not supposed to change skills and roles, but they can and they do.
Again, what achivement are you missing that precludes you playing the game?
Nothing, this is a request to improve the game.
Look, there is a ridiculous amount of achievement to keep up with in this game with DLC and all.
As someone who tries to get everything, we are stuck with one toon. While we have many other that we would like to have fun with thats it.
And it doesnt affect you, if you dont care about achievements just dont look at it. If you do then this would give you the choice to play all the other 5 classes and 3 roles as youd like. Its in the spirit of ESO.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
If you're truly a completionist, you'd want to earn those on all alts. if you're not (you're basically asking for credit from a different alt), the most of the missing achieves won't matter one way or the other.
If you're looking for an account-wide summary of achieves, that's something I could be on board with.
Also, I have to assume you're talking about all achieves, not just things like Undaunted, shards, lorebooks, etc?
It is a request to make it possible to keep up with all the achievements using different toons.
This will encourage people to play more then just their main.0 -
don_kwek✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Judging by how hostile some people are about this account wide comment.
I suspect they make real money out of it from illegal service of some sort ? Perhaps selling achievements ?
I dont know i just find it absurd to see a very select few seems to really go against it when they got nothing to lose (or do they ?)
No, people are against the idea because they don't like it.
When people disagree with you, it is not because they are somehow breaking the rules or making money out of something. It's simply because they don't agree with your idea.
Well the last vote shows more people wants it.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
I am simply wondering why the nayers are so loud.
you need to realize that forum polls mean nothing. they do not represent the player base.
lol you need to realize that it means something.
Its an indication, a sample that represents a whole.
You could argue with its size. But thats the data that we have.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titlesEdited by don_kwek on February 26, 2018 4:04PM0 -
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✭✭✭But what about the hardcore achievement hunters that enjoy getting them on their characters individually?BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
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✭VaranisArano wrote: »There are a lot of achievements that are specific to characters - anything combat related, for one. You don't fight the same on different characters so it wouldn't make sense for characters to share those achievements without earning them.
U rpging real life too? Its a game you dont need real crap in game... Specially in this kind of when cats and lizards can speak, i mean wth is with you people diggin your own grave...0 -
I'm not sure exactly how people are arguing against it as it doesn't affect you. Do people believe everyone should have to do the same grind every time on every character they play? That ruins replayability - which is what keeps MMOs alive. ZOS are obviously fans of account wide things as people have mentioned no other MMOs match their philosophy/"generosity" on the subject. But why would you be mad if there are level 10 characters with a flawless title? You know that the person playing that character earned that title. They actually went and did it. Are you jealous they did it and you haven't? I really don't understand the rationale.
ZOS wants us to try different builds and play styles. YOU should want the same. Diversity keeps the game unique, fresh, and most importantly prevents it from being dull, boring and repetitive. It prevents the game's population from dying. Right now my main is a templar with an achievement score of 15,875. I'm shoehorned into playing as a templar. So when ZOS does something like nerf my class like they did with Morrowind, I don't want to play and ended up quitting. Why would I want to start COMPLETELY fresh when I've already done those things? Why should I be punished for wanting to play a different character. I'm the one that's putting the time into the game. My character is controlled by ME.
But it doesn't have to be black and white. There can be an account wide achievement score along with a character achievement score. Much how things are crafted by different players and labelled as such, at the bottom of an achievement where it shows you the title/dye you'd earn for completing it, it can be labelled as being completed by your other character and the date you did it. If you complete it again on another character, it doesn't count toward your account wide achievement score - only your character's score. Things like titles, skins could be kept as character achievements to keep the opposition happy, even though again I don't understand the logic behind it.2 -
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✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Judging by how hostile some people are about this account wide comment.
I suspect they make real money out of it from illegal service of some sort ? Perhaps selling achievements ?
I dont know i just find it absurd to see a very select few seems to really go against it when they got nothing to lose (or do they ?)
No, people are against the idea because they don't like it.
When people disagree with you, it is not because they are somehow breaking the rules or making money out of something. It's simply because they don't agree with your idea.
Well the last vote shows more people wants it.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
I am simply wondering why the nayers are so loud.
you need to realize that forum polls mean nothing. they do not represent the player base.
lol you need to realize that it means something.
Its an indication, a sample that represents a whole.
You could argue with its size. But thats the data that we have.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319473/do-u-want-account-wide-achievement-titles
no. you need to understand what a sample is in terms of an opinion poll.
first off.... the sample is selected according to demographics. so, generally, for an opinion poll among the criteria used are...
age. gender. ethnicity. education. marital status. employment.... etc, etc. this is done to ensure that the sample clearly represents the wider population.
for an mmo the criteria would include age gender ethnicity may include marital status education employment but would certainly include how long been playing, preferred play style, sub/no sub etc.....
clearly no such filter has been applied to the poll you mention..... it means nothing.
also you need to understand the situation regarding people who post on game forums. there has been a fair amount of research on this topic.... google it.
first.... the majority of gamers never visit the forum.
second.... those who do visit forums do so for a specific reason.... information. they are stuck on a quest or need some information about a particular game mechanic.
then there is the tiny fraction of players who go to the forum and post..... they are not a representative sample of the majority of the people who play the game.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PeteDahhSneak wrote: »But it doesn't have to be black and white. There can be an account wide achievement score along with a character achievement score. Much how things are crafted by different players and labelled as such, at the bottom of an achievement where it shows you the title/dye you'd earn for completing it, it can be labelled as being completed by your other character and the date you did it. If you complete it again on another character, it doesn't count toward your account wide achievement score - only your character's score. Things like titles, skins could be kept as character achievements to keep the opposition happy, even though again I don't understand the logic behind it.
Frankly what I don't understand is the logic of people who care about achievements if there's no title/skin/dye/reward attached to them.
Whenever I roll a new character, there are useful things that need to be done (lorebooks, skyshards, leveling legderdemain, crafts, skill lines, discovering wayshrines, etc. ) . But achievements ? Why not just ignore the ones that you don't feel like doing again and go on with your game ? Let's consider the highest achievement score of all your characters to be your (as a player) achievement score and be done with it ... ?
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »PeteDahhSneak wrote: »But it doesn't have to be black and white. There can be an account wide achievement score along with a character achievement score. Much how things are crafted by different players and labelled as such, at the bottom of an achievement where it shows you the title/dye you'd earn for completing it, it can be labelled as being completed by your other character and the date you did it. If you complete it again on another character, it doesn't count toward your account wide achievement score - only your character's score. Things like titles, skins could be kept as character achievements to keep the opposition happy, even though again I don't understand the logic behind it.
Frankly what I don't understand is the logic of people who care about achievements if there's no title/skin/dye/reward attached to them.
Whenever I roll a new character, there are useful things that need to be done (lorebooks, skyshards, leveling legderdemain, crafts, skill lines, discovering wayshrines, etc. ) . But achievements ? Why not just ignore the ones that you don't feel like doing again and go on with your game ? Let's consider the highest achievement score of all your characters to be your (as a player) achievement score and be done with it ... ?
There are different reasons people play the game. Some people just do dungeons/trials, some people sit in BG/Cyrodiil. I try to do everything the game has to offer. More specifically, I try to what ZOS tells me is an 'achievement'. But from what I'm seeing, the theme for those who are against this is "I don't get it, stop caring about achievements, it's fine the way it is". Well no, it's how I enjoy the game, and if I was capable of contributing to say, killing 1000 dwarven constructs on an ALT, I'd do that instead of getting off and playing another game because I'm tired of using the same skills on my templar that I've been using for 2½ years. Having (some) account wide achievements doesn't affect you at all. The naysayers are the ones who don't care about achievements. So.. what am I missing here?Edited by PeteDahhSneak on February 26, 2018 4:56PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PeteDahhSneak wrote: »There are different reasons people play the game. Some people just do dungeons/trials, some people sit in BG/Cyrodiil. I try to do everything the game has to offer. More specifically, I try to what ZOS tells me is an 'achievement'. But from what I'm seeing, the theme for those who are against this is "I don't get it, stop caring about achievements, it's fine the way it is". Well no, it's how I enjoy the game, and if I was capable of contributing to say, killing 1000 dwarven constructs on an ALT, I'd do that instead of getting off and playing another game because I'm tired of using the same skills on my templar that I've been using for 2½ years. Having (some) account wide achievements doesn't affect you at all. The naysayers are the ones who don't care about achievements. So.. what am I missing here?
That makes sense. Hadn't seen it that way.
I think the point where we disagree is that you put the player in the 1st position (the character being just a "tool", and you want to swap tools every now and then) and I put the character first. I like to have my game absolutely clean and blank when I start a new character, and I like this character to have its own path, adventure, progress and choices.
So that's incompatible (not saying one approach is better than the other).
Actually you made me think it over. I'm still against account-wide achievements (at character level), but I would/will support your suggestion of an account-based summary and result. I think that could make everyone happy.
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »PeteDahhSneak wrote: »There are different reasons people play the game. Some people just do dungeons/trials, some people sit in BG/Cyrodiil. I try to do everything the game has to offer. More specifically, I try to what ZOS tells me is an 'achievement'. But from what I'm seeing, the theme for those who are against this is "I don't get it, stop caring about achievements, it's fine the way it is". Well no, it's how I enjoy the game, and if I was capable of contributing to say, killing 1000 dwarven constructs on an ALT, I'd do that instead of getting off and playing another game because I'm tired of using the same skills on my templar that I've been using for 2½ years. Having (some) account wide achievements doesn't affect you at all. The naysayers are the ones who don't care about achievements. So.. what am I missing here?
That makes sense. Hadn't seen it that way.
I think the point where we disagree is that you put the player in the 1st position (the character being just a "tool", and you want to swap tools every now and then) and I put the character first. I like to have my game absolutely clean and blank when I start a new character, and I like this character to have its own path, adventure, progress and choices.
So that's incompatible (not saying one approach is better than the other).
Actually you made me think it over. I'm still against account-wide achievements (at character level), but I would/will support your suggestion of an account-based summary and result. I think that could make everyone happy.
I'm getting older, I can't put 12 hours a day into games anymore like I used to. That's why I'm played based. My understanding is that ESO has a more mature audience (relative to other MMOs) as its an ES game. So it's weird for me to see there being a vocal resistance to the change, especially given so many other things are already account wide. It's also not a game where there's going to be a new one coming out. No ESO:2 type of thing. This game has one life. Let's do whatever we can to make it last as long as possible.
There's definitely a middle ground there can be found if ZOS bothers with the topic but given others' responses, this issue's been discussed ad nauseam apparently (new to the forum) and have likely determined their stance on it. I understand people would be upset by titles/skins being shared so I guess that's where I'd have to make the compromise. However, my dwarven construct achievement doesn't affect you, so let me work on my new PvE rotation on my magblade while I'm sitting in Razak's Wheel, ya know?2 -
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✭✭PeteDahhSneak wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »PeteDahhSneak wrote: »But it doesn't have to be black and white. There can be an account wide achievement score along with a character achievement score. Much how things are crafted by different players and labelled as such, at the bottom of an achievement where it shows you the title/dye you'd earn for completing it, it can be labelled as being completed by your other character and the date you did it. If you complete it again on another character, it doesn't count toward your account wide achievement score - only your character's score. Things like titles, skins could be kept as character achievements to keep the opposition happy, even though again I don't understand the logic behind it.
Frankly what I don't understand is the logic of people who care about achievements if there's no title/skin/dye/reward attached to them.
Whenever I roll a new character, there are useful things that need to be done (lorebooks, skyshards, leveling legderdemain, crafts, skill lines, discovering wayshrines, etc. ) . But achievements ? Why not just ignore the ones that you don't feel like doing again and go on with your game ? Let's consider the highest achievement score of all your characters to be your (as a player) achievement score and be done with it ... ?
There are different reasons people play the game. Some people just do dungeons/trials, some people sit in BG/Cyrodiil. I try to do everything the game has to offer. More specifically, I try to what ZOS tells me is an 'achievement'. But from what I'm seeing, the theme for those who are against this is "I don't get it, stop caring about achievements, it's fine the way it is". Well no, it's how I enjoy the game, and if I was capable of contributing to say, killing 1000 dwarven constructs on an ALT, I'd do that instead of getting off and playing another game because I'm tired of using the same skills on my templar that I've been using for 2½ years. Having (some) account wide achievements doesn't affect you at all. The naysayers are the ones who don't care about achievements. So.. what am I missing here?
i think i qualify as a naysayer..... but i do care about achievements.
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✭✭✭✭✭Judging by how hostile some people are about this account wide comment.
I suspect they make real money out of it from illegal service of some sort ? Perhaps selling achievements ?
I dont know i just find it absurd to see a very select few seems to really go against it when they got nothing to lose (or do they ?)
But I do have something to lose. I lose the sense of achievement for getting the 1000 chest achievement on my 4th character.
Or the joy of getting a Daedric General on a character that still needs that one (I already completed this on 3 characters).
Also the annoyance of getting the Flawless Tailfeather on 2 "wrong" characters before I got it on my collector.
And the warm and fuzzy feeling of finding a "new" skyshard.
Or the sense of accomplishment of finishing a hard achievement on more than one class.
And the general ability of tracking what my characters have or haven't done on an individual basis.
Having achievements by character is a plus for me.SydneyGrey wrote: »The only kind of achievements I'd want account-wide are the ones that take ridiculously long to get, like the I Like Ma'iq one, or the fishing achievement. Pretty much 99% of the rest I'm fine with not being account-wide. If everything was account-wide, then there'd be no more achievements to strive for after a while.
Nooooo... not M'aiq! Must get I Like M'aiq on all characters!!!
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jedtb16_ESO wrote: »PeteDahhSneak wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »PeteDahhSneak wrote: »But it doesn't have to be black and white. There can be an account wide achievement score along with a character achievement score. Much how things are crafted by different players and labelled as such, at the bottom of an achievement where it shows you the title/dye you'd earn for completing it, it can be labelled as being completed by your other character and the date you did it. If you complete it again on another character, it doesn't count toward your account wide achievement score - only your character's score. Things like titles, skins could be kept as character achievements to keep the opposition happy, even though again I don't understand the logic behind it.
Frankly what I don't understand is the logic of people who care about achievements if there's no title/skin/dye/reward attached to them.
Whenever I roll a new character, there are useful things that need to be done (lorebooks, skyshards, leveling legderdemain, crafts, skill lines, discovering wayshrines, etc. ) . But achievements ? Why not just ignore the ones that you don't feel like doing again and go on with your game ? Let's consider the highest achievement score of all your characters to be your (as a player) achievement score and be done with it ... ?
There are different reasons people play the game. Some people just do dungeons/trials, some people sit in BG/Cyrodiil. I try to do everything the game has to offer. More specifically, I try to what ZOS tells me is an 'achievement'. But from what I'm seeing, the theme for those who are against this is "I don't get it, stop caring about achievements, it's fine the way it is". Well no, it's how I enjoy the game, and if I was capable of contributing to say, killing 1000 dwarven constructs on an ALT, I'd do that instead of getting off and playing another game because I'm tired of using the same skills on my templar that I've been using for 2½ years. Having (some) account wide achievements doesn't affect you at all. The naysayers are the ones who don't care about achievements. So.. what am I missing here?
i think i qualify as a naysayer..... but i do care about achievements.
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Judging by how hostile some people are about this account wide comment.
I suspect they make real money out of it from illegal service of some sort ? Perhaps selling achievements ?
I dont know i just find it absurd to see a very select few seems to really go against it when they got nothing to lose (or do they ?)
But I do have something to lose. I lose the sense of achievement for getting the 1000 chest achievement on my 4th character.
Or the joy of getting a Daedric General on a character that still needs that one (I already completed this on 3 characters).
Also the annoyance of getting the Flawless Tailfeather on 2 "wrong" characters before I got it on my collector.
And the warm and fuzzy feeling of finding a "new" skyshard.
Or the sense of accomplishment of finishing a hard achievement on more than one class.
And the general ability of tracking what my characters have or haven't done on an individual basis.
Having achievements by character is a plus for me.SydneyGrey wrote: »The only kind of achievements I'd want account-wide are the ones that take ridiculously long to get, like the I Like Ma'iq one, or the fishing achievement. Pretty much 99% of the rest I'm fine with not being account-wide. If everything was account-wide, then there'd be no more achievements to strive for after a while.
Nooooo... not M'aiq! Must get I Like M'aiq on all characters!!!
Read what I said on the last page, because I feel like addressed every thing you just said you'd have a problem with.0 -
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✭✭PeteDahhSneak wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »PeteDahhSneak wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »PeteDahhSneak wrote: »But it doesn't have to be black and white. There can be an account wide achievement score along with a character achievement score. Much how things are crafted by different players and labelled as such, at the bottom of an achievement where it shows you the title/dye you'd earn for completing it, it can be labelled as being completed by your other character and the date you did it. If you complete it again on another character, it doesn't count toward your account wide achievement score - only your character's score. Things like titles, skins could be kept as character achievements to keep the opposition happy, even though again I don't understand the logic behind it.
Frankly what I don't understand is the logic of people who care about achievements if there's no title/skin/dye/reward attached to them.
Whenever I roll a new character, there are useful things that need to be done (lorebooks, skyshards, leveling legderdemain, crafts, skill lines, discovering wayshrines, etc. ) . But achievements ? Why not just ignore the ones that you don't feel like doing again and go on with your game ? Let's consider the highest achievement score of all your characters to be your (as a player) achievement score and be done with it ... ?
There are different reasons people play the game. Some people just do dungeons/trials, some people sit in BG/Cyrodiil. I try to do everything the game has to offer. More specifically, I try to what ZOS tells me is an 'achievement'. But from what I'm seeing, the theme for those who are against this is "I don't get it, stop caring about achievements, it's fine the way it is". Well no, it's how I enjoy the game, and if I was capable of contributing to say, killing 1000 dwarven constructs on an ALT, I'd do that instead of getting off and playing another game because I'm tired of using the same skills on my templar that I've been using for 2½ years. Having (some) account wide achievements doesn't affect you at all. The naysayers are the ones who don't care about achievements. So.. what am I missing here?
i think i qualify as a naysayer..... but i do care about achievements.
Why are you a naysayer?
because i do not think that achievements should be account wide.... as stated earlier in the thread i do not think that anything should be account wide.
the idea that one toon getting any achievement means that any other i create should get the same thing is just silly. what, i get a bsc so my children should also get one without doing the work?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »the idea that one toon getting any achievement means that any other i create should get the same thing is just silly. what, i get a bsc so my children should also get one without doing the work?
If all your alts are different "students" yes they should each do the work.
But what if you consider there's only one student - the player - and he wants to get his degree in different universities without always having to start all over and get 14 different but identitical degrees ?
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