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Suspensions for Update 17 XP Exploit
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pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm2 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.
Why thank you.
I find that flaunting rules tends to yield unfavourable results. Of course, you're free to be all hard and do as you wish but then less of the caterwauling when caught out.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake1 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.
Why thank you.
I find that flaunting rules tends to yield unfavourable results. Of course, you're free to be all hard and do as you wish but then less of the caterwauling when caught out.
Im not caught my dear i dont even have the update yet but i do feel the suspending is overly harsh.
I admit i dont even know why i feel so strongly about it but it just annoys me that the game gets worse and worse everytime they touch it and they still have the nerve to label their BUG an exploit. It just feels wrong to me.
I might be over dramatic lol..... opting out of this thread now hahahaEnglish is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.
Why thank you.
I find that flaunting rules tends to yield unfavourable results. Of course, you're free to be all hard and do as you wish but then less of the caterwauling when caught out.
Im not caught my dear i dont even have the update yet but i do feel the suspending is overly harsh.
I admit i dont even know why i feel so strongly about it but it just annoys me that the game gets worse and worse everytime they touch it and they still have the nerve to label their BUG an exploit. It just feels wrong to me.
I might be over dramatic lol..... opting out of this thread now hahaha
You should go play Wargaming, FF14, or Blizzard games and come back to see whose more overly harsh
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pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭Just because others do it doesn’t make it right.
Bit yea their game their rules bit i can disagree cant I?
Not that it helps lolEdited by pattyLtd on February 20, 2018 8:37PMEnglish is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm0 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/2860219962103713947/
This is the kind of stuff we're used to hearing about everywhere.1 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.
Why thank you.
I find that flaunting rules tends to yield unfavourable results. Of course, you're free to be all hard and do as you wish but then less of the caterwauling when caught out.
Im not caught my dear i dont even have the update yet but i do feel the suspending is overly harsh.
I admit i dont even know why i feel so strongly about it but it just annoys me that the game gets worse and worse everytime they touch it and they still have the nerve to label their BUG an exploit. It just feels wrong to me.
I might be over dramatic lol..... opting out of this thread now hahaha
It was a generic "you".
We certainly are seeing things through different lenses. I don't think the game is getting worse and worse. I think it's evolving as do all MMOs with good updates, not-so-good updates, bad updates etc. Bit of a roller coaster at times and for some, that's problematic.
Too, they didn't label the bug an exploit. I wish people could learn this differentiation. USING the bug to gain is the exploit. Bugs happen, taking advantage of bugs to progress or gain is the problem.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake2 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭
Precisely. The rest is simply social engineering by cheaters to make the true villain here the developers instead of the cheaters. The most effective tool cheaters have after being caught is to attack the system that caught them and remove trust in that system from the general population. This isn't a new concept and yet the outrage drummed up acts like this hasn't all been hashed out or discussed before for years in other games where people have exploited poor programming. This has been debated to death and the end result of years of discussion is that it's the players who are responsible for actions performed on their account, regardless of who actually did them, the intent behind them, the benefit reaped, or the plausibility of ignorance. Casting blame may have worked in the 90s but developers and players have learned so much since then and it's about time ZOS took a harder stance on exploiting. With luck, this will be the beginning of a bold new era where cheating is actively discouraged.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Too, they didn't label the bug an exploit. I wish people could learn this differentiation. USING the bug to gain is the exploit. Bugs happen, taking advantage of bugs to progress or gain is the problem.2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t even have my XP bar visible because I’m at max CP. if I hadn’t been working I would’ve tried to farm TV too and I’d be banned.
Sure there were abusers. But innocents got banned too.
Haven’t you learned by now not to put too much faith in ZOS?PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
YouTube: http://youtube.com/c/thogardpvp4 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭Oki, i do really love this game alot but the lag is really a huge buzz kill.
I do not agree with the statement that this is cheating but whatever.English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.
I'm afraid that the only recourse for someone who does not wish to follow the Terms of Service or Code of Conduct you agree to when you play the game AND to receive no consequences for that choice upon being caught is very simply to not play the game.3 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭I don’t even have my XP bar visible because I’m at max CP. if I hadn’t been working I would’ve tried to farm TV too and I’d be banned.
Sure there were abusers. But innocents got banned too.
Haven’t you learned by now not to put too much faith in ZOS?
Haven't you learned by now not to put too much faith in cheaters?
"Innocents" are everywhere. http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/2860219962103713947/
Also you wouldn't have needed your XP bar, your screen would have been spammed with CP gains, even at max CP.Edited by LordSemaj on February 20, 2018 8:57PM0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don’t even have my XP bar visible because I’m at max CP. if I hadn’t been working I would’ve tried to farm TV too and I’d be banned.
Sure there were abusers. But innocents got banned too.
Haven’t you learned by now not to put too much faith in ZOS?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone has been banned...yet. 276 people have been suspended pending in-depth reviews.
If someone is innocent, they need to reply to the suspension email and have a discussion with ZMax about the issue. ZMax will have the data and tools to suss out who is and who isn't innocent. What they have done is cast a net, now they're in the process of culling the catch.
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pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.
I'm afraid that the only recourse for someone who does not wish to follow the Terms of Service or Code of Conduct you agree to when you play the game AND to receive no consequences for that choice upon being caught is very simply to not play the game.
Dont tell me what to do.English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »You and the other brainless defenders simply because there is a TOS are the only ones with a hare-brained position.
But i am glad it amuses you.
I'm afraid that the only recourse for someone who does not wish to follow the Terms of Service or Code of Conduct you agree to when you play the game AND to receive no consequences for that choice upon being caught is very simply to not play the game.
Dont tell me what to do.
What else are you going to do if you want to play the game AND not follow the TOS? Hope to fly under the radar and complain bitterly when you get caught?2 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭I never did anything against the TOS and i dont intend too either and i didnt get caught of anything.
All the best.English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I never did anything against the TOS and i dont intend too either and i didnt get caught of anything.
All the best.
Sorry. That was intended as a general "you", and not aimed at you in particular. Its been clear from your previous comments that you weren't actually involved in the exploiting.
All the best.0 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭Lol guess i fail hard atthe general you’s hahahaha.English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm0
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Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭I would agree with this action if some special exploit (something like, say, Skyrim resto potion loop) had to be used to intentionally gain the extra XP, but when it happened merely by playing the game with no additional effort on the player's part then ZOS should take full 100% responsibility for the problem rather than blaming others for their screw up. I rarely even glance at my gold/xp/loot popup thingy and it's incredibly disturbing that I could be penalized for a developer mistake that I'm not even aware of while I'm farming tel var or whatever.4 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I never did anything against the TOS and i dont intend too either and i didnt get caught of anything.
All the best.
Again, we're discussing numbers, I don't know why you're taking this personally.SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »I would agree with this action if some special exploit (something like, say, Skyrim resto potion loop) had to be used to intentionally gain the extra XP, but when it happened merely by playing the game with no additional effort on the player's part then ZOS should take full 100% responsibility for the problem rather than blaming others for their screw up. I rarely even glance at my gold/xp/loot popup thingy and it's incredibly disturbing that I could be penalized for a developer mistake that I'm not even aware of while I'm farming tel var or whatever.
They didn't "blame others for their screwup", they blamed them for taking advantage of it.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake2 -
GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I understand the skepticism people have, really I do. But I'm surprised how hard it is for people to accept that you could legitimately earn 9 billion Champion Points in a row without noticing. Does no one in this forum find half the ZOS UI kind of annoying and use addons to disable it? Am I really the only one somehow that doesn't see XP or CP gains?
You can turn off all that stuff with LUI, a pretty popular addon...1 -
GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And even without addons, after you earn 900 of something, don't they become like billboards after a while? Don't you mentally block them out, especially in the middle of battle?
There are times I'm just grinding mobs or whatever, trying to get a skill morphable, and I don't see the big ol' announcement in the middle of my screen because I'm in combat. I know it was there. I know what it looks like. I was specifically looking for it to pop up. Yet I missed it all the same because I was busy wrangling enemies and having fun.
(Again; I am on PC where this bug happened and it could have been me, BUT I never went to IC during the time this issue was taking place. I'm not suspended, no one I know is/was. I'm just curious and a bit confused by the community's reaction to this.)2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I understand the skepticism people have, really I do. But I'm surprised how hard it is for people to accept that you could legitimately earn 9 billion Champion Points in a row without noticing. Does no one in this forum find half the ZOS UI kind of annoying and use addons to disable it? Am I really the only one somehow that doesn't see XP or CP gains?
You can turn off all that stuff with LUI, a pretty popular addon...
If that's actually the case, then that's the perfect case to make in an appeal to ZOS. I'm sure that ZOS is capable of making sure those addons and UI functions were exactly how someone claims they were.
How surprising is it that when you try to make that case to the forums, where we have absolutely no power to make decisions but do have some rather large grains of salt when it comes to people claiming to have innocently gone about their day while somehow exploiting a bug (AP farming, chaining into keeps, trial cheese, whatever the bug you wanna complain about), that some of us think that's a totally reasonable point, some of us think that ZOS is ones who get to judge that excuse, and that some of us assume its just an excuse?
I can't judge the validity of someone's case of "I had all the UI stuff that might tell me about exp or CP gain turned off so therefore I should be excused. " ZOS can. That stuff belongs in an appeal to ZOS, in my opinion, since there's nothing I can do to tell if the person making that case is telling the truth or lying. (And no, I'm not going to simply presume good faith, see previous examples for why I've got that large grain of salt.)1 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I understand the skepticism people have, really I do. But I'm surprised how hard it is for people to accept that you could legitimately earn 9 billion Champion Points in a row without noticing. Does no one in this forum find half the ZOS UI kind of annoying and use addons to disable it? Am I really the only one somehow that doesn't see XP or CP gains?
You can turn off all that stuff with LUI, a pretty popular addon...
276 people? It would be the biggest coincidence I can think of ever encountering if that was the explanation. IOW, I doubt it. That said, I'm sure that some folk do turn off their UI. And those folk need to reply to their email and discuss it with ZMax.
The cynic in me thinks, though, that a fair percentage of those who were absolutely clear on what they were up to will glom onto this as their excuse.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I understand the skepticism people have, really I do. But I'm surprised how hard it is for people to accept that you could legitimately earn 9 billion Champion Points in a row without noticing. Does no one in this forum find half the ZOS UI kind of annoying and use addons to disable it? Am I really the only one somehow that doesn't see XP or CP gains?
You can turn off all that stuff with LUI, a pretty popular addon...
If that's actually the case, then that's the perfect case to make in an appeal to ZOS. I'm sure that ZOS is capable of making sure those addons and UI functions were exactly how someone claims they were.
How surprising is it that when you try to make that case to the forums, where we have absolutely no power to make decisions but do have some rather large grains of salt when it comes to people claiming to have innocently gone about their day while somehow exploiting a bug (AP farming, chaining into keeps, trial cheese, whatever the bug you wanna complain about), that some of us think that's a totally reasonable point, some of us think that ZOS is ones who get to judge that excuse, and that some of us assume its just an excuse?
I can't judge the validity of someone's case of "I had all the UI stuff that might tell me about exp or CP gain turned off so therefore I should be excused. " ZOS can. That stuff belongs in an appeal to ZOS, in my opinion, since there's nothing I can do to tell if the person making that case is telling the truth or lying. (And no, I'm not going to simply presume good faith, see previous examples for why I've got that large grain of salt.)
I like your level-headed response / approach, @VaranisArano
Keeping up with the thread, it just kinda feels like people are getting borderline frothy over all this, so kind of felt the need to chime in. :P
Maybe I should just keep quiet, since this is my first rodeo on forum threads covering exploits...0 -
GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »I understand the skepticism people have, really I do. But I'm surprised how hard it is for people to accept that you could legitimately earn 9 billion Champion Points in a row without noticing. Does no one in this forum find half the ZOS UI kind of annoying and use addons to disable it? Am I really the only one somehow that doesn't see XP or CP gains?
You can turn off all that stuff with LUI, a pretty popular addon...
276 people? It would be the biggest coincidence I can think of ever encountering if that was the explanation. IOW, I doubt it. That said, I'm sure that some folk do turn off their UI. And those folk need to reply to their email and discuss it with ZMax.
The cynic in me thinks, though, that a fair percentage of those who were absolutely clear on what they were up to will glom onto this as their excuse.
No doubt, I never meant to imply that all were innocent. I'd bet my account that most of those people were exploiting. MANY people love to exploit wherever and whenever they can. I was just kind of struck by what seems like the witch hunt mentality by a lot of posters here. "GOOD, BURN THE CHEATERS! BUUURRNN THEM AAALLLL!!! >:D" is how the thread kind of comes off at times, haha.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I understand the skepticism people have, really I do. But I'm surprised how hard it is for people to accept that you could legitimately earn 9 billion Champion Points in a row without noticing. Does no one in this forum find half the ZOS UI kind of annoying and use addons to disable it? Am I really the only one somehow that doesn't see XP or CP gains?
You can turn off all that stuff with LUI, a pretty popular addon...
If that's actually the case, then that's the perfect case to make in an appeal to ZOS. I'm sure that ZOS is capable of making sure those addons and UI functions were exactly how someone claims they were.
How surprising is it that when you try to make that case to the forums, where we have absolutely no power to make decisions but do have some rather large grains of salt when it comes to people claiming to have innocently gone about their day while somehow exploiting a bug (AP farming, chaining into keeps, trial cheese, whatever the bug you wanna complain about), that some of us think that's a totally reasonable point, some of us think that ZOS is ones who get to judge that excuse, and that some of us assume its just an excuse?
I can't judge the validity of someone's case of "I had all the UI stuff that might tell me about exp or CP gain turned off so therefore I should be excused. " ZOS can. That stuff belongs in an appeal to ZOS, in my opinion, since there's nothing I can do to tell if the person making that case is telling the truth or lying. (And no, I'm not going to simply presume good faith, see previous examples for why I've got that large grain of salt.)
I like your level-headed response / approach, VaranisArano
Keeping up with the thread, it just kinda feels like people are getting borderline frothy over all this, so kind of felt the need to chime in. :P
Maybe I should just keep quiet, since this is my first rodeo on forum threads covering exploits...
Thanks, and hey, everyone's got to take the bull by the horns sometime. We aren't always this frothing at the mouth (just around major game updates...well, okay, maybe we are most of the time ) 0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »I understand the skepticism people have, really I do. But I'm surprised how hard it is for people to accept that you could legitimately earn 9 billion Champion Points in a row without noticing. Does no one in this forum find half the ZOS UI kind of annoying and use addons to disable it? Am I really the only one somehow that doesn't see XP or CP gains?
You can turn off all that stuff with LUI, a pretty popular addon...
276 people? It would be the biggest coincidence I can think of ever encountering if that was the explanation. IOW, I doubt it. That said, I'm sure that some folk do turn off their UI. And those folk need to reply to their email and discuss it with ZMax.
The cynic in me thinks, though, that a fair percentage of those who were absolutely clear on what they were up to will glom onto this as their excuse.
No doubt, I never meant to imply that all were innocent. I'd bet my account that most of those people were exploiting. MANY people love to exploit wherever and whenever they can. I was just kind of struck by what seems like the witch hunt mentality by a lot of posters here. "GOOD, BURN THE CHEATERS! BUUURRNN THEM AAALLLL!!! >:D" is how the thread kind of comes off at times, haha.
There are, absolutely, zealots on either side of issues like this. I'm pretty basic about these things. There's an expression that I will have to self-censor:
**** around, get burnt.
I've never really understood cheating. I mean folk seem to do it to "win" but never seem to understand that they actually haven't won anything because they invalidated the result by cheating.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0
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