Should AD be punished for queue bug?

Aliyavana

No, EP and DC would have done the same

Recremen wrote: »

You gonna ban the DC and EP from yesterday taking advantage of while AD queue was bugged? Or is plausible deniability only for your faction?

this, ad was also experiencing the que bug on different cyrodil serve

Runefang

It was AD's best chance to win!

vamp_emily

Other

EP should be punished. They were attacking Ales all night instead of trying to dethrone the fake AD emp. We weren't even in the lead and EP still attacked us. hmmmm.. I wonder why?

OutLaw_Nynx

No, they couldn't have known it was a bug

TequilaFire wrote: »

Hmm, currently no Emp map looks pretty well balanced and AD only has a 450 point lead with 28 days left to play.
As usual all blown out of proportion. Seems the problem is self correcting.

For real... and people, there is always next month?

Fischblut

Other

It's just a weird bug from what I understand. Not a fault of players I heard a rumor that it happens because - since update - when person logs out in Cyrodiil, their character is being stuck there and still counts towards faction population
Luckily since new dlc this AD guy was playing only battlegrounds, so horrible queues in Cyrodiil didn't affect me for now. Long loading screens in battlegrounds and weird group finder bugs (same like we had during dungeon event) did though

VaranisArano

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

vamp_emily wrote: »

EP should be punished. They were attacking Ales all night instead of trying to dethrone the fake AD emp. We weren't even in the lead and EP still attacked us. hmmmm.. I wonder why?

Because you keep all the sweetrolls at Ales, everyone knows this. Just like Brindle is the key to the war!

LordSemaj

coop500 wrote: »

On Vivec I think, AD was still on so they took the entire map while everyone else was locked out. Note that AD players that were not among them also couldn't enter.

That isn't even remotely true. AD had huge queues all the same and there actually were some EP/DC defenders but they weren't coordinated. People who crashed or were kicked to log in screen or suffered the endless loadscreen couldn't get back in and were stuck in massive queues.

Also, the same bug happened the next day, except this time it was AD that was suffering. For all of Saturday evening AD was at 3 bars and yet stuck in a 90+ person queue, which only got worse as the night went on. It wasn't an exploit, it was the game. With all the long load screens, bad bar switching, and endless lag since the DLC, you really think more bugs weren't possible?

AD happened to have their usual guild runs that night so they had about four coordinated raids ready to take keeps that never logged off. We lost some people along the way and they were locked out due to the queue but we ended the night with 75% of our original forces, which was enough to beat back the EP and DC zerglings. AD was lucky that coordinated guild teams were in the map already instead of the masses of casual zerglings that the other factions had to contend with blocking out the stronger players.

exiars10

No, they couldn't have known it was a bug

Thalmor did nothing wrong so no.

Slick_007

another stupid poll thats not even valid. There was NO exploit. The people who were logged in played the game the exact way its meant to be played. They did nothing wrong and the only people who should be punished are those creating polls trying to get them punished.

xeNNNNN

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

No logical reason for punishing them. They simply played the game. They didnt really know until later that the queue bug even existed (I am guessing) and even if they did they still just played the game. Yes morally if we were to go down that path they are utter scrubs for doing it but generally speaking no they've done nothing wrong and so they shouldnt be punished.

We should just get a rollback or reset. But as others have pointed out we probably wont get that any time soon.

VaranisArano

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

Slick_007 wrote: »

another stupid poll thats not even valid. There was NO exploit. The people who were logged in played the game the exact way its meant to be played. They did nothing wrong and the only people who should be punished are those creating polls trying to get them punished.

The OP was pretty clear that their opinion was that AD should be left alone.

SydneyGrey

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

No players should be banned, because they might have already been in Cyrodiil before the bug, and didn't know about it.

LordSemaj

VaranisArano wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

another stupid poll thats not even valid. There was NO exploit. The people who were logged in played the game the exact way its meant to be played. They did nothing wrong and the only people who should be punished are those creating polls trying to get them punished.

The OP was pretty clear that their opinion was that AD should be left alone.

Then why are there poll options asking to ban the exploiters, make life hell on AD, and a topic title asking whether they as a faction should be punished? These are not the thoughts of someone who sees AD as innocent, nor are the comments that followed.

People can vote for something other than what they truly believe but the implications found in his messages speak volumes about his perceptions. This was clearly made to cast blame, several poll options blame AD, and even one of the No answers claims EP or DC would have done the same which openly implies that the exploit concept is accepted and would have been exploited by any faction.

It's a rigged poll setup to paint AD as bad guys.

Glurin

As if nobody in the other two factions ever took advantage of exploits, knowingly or not.

ArchMikem

Ban the players for exploiting.

Exploitation = Cheating.

Cheating = Throw the Hammer.

Buffler wrote: »

Dont be so stupid.

They logged into PVP to play, its not an exploit if another faction cant get in.

[Edit to remove steps explaining an exploit]

disintegr8

No, (other reason)

Who really gives a flying F$#% ?

It's a game, it's only one campaign and in my observations (having never been in Vivec), AD need all the help they can get.

Slick_007

VaranisArano wrote: »

The OP was pretty clear that their opinion was that AD should be left alone.

then why start a poll with a suggestion that those players should be banned?

Jhalin

No, EP and DC would have done the same

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Exploitation = Cheating.

Cheating = Throw the Hammer.

Buffler wrote: »

Dont be so stupid.

They logged into PVP to play, its not an exploit if another faction cant get in.

Large Guilds form groups where the Crown is on a character with a different faction. Say the entire group is AD but the Crown is on an EP character. If the Crown queues for Cyrodiil, the Queue mistakes the entire group as an EP group, thus ALL those AD characters start taking up EP queue slots, which keep legitimate EP players from entering the Campaign.

Is this the reason the queue is clogged and broken ?

No, it's not. The game no longer allows cross-faction groups to enter cyrodiil queues. That was part of Update 17.

Rohamad_Ali

No, (other reason)

Jhalin wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Exploitation = Cheating.

Cheating = Throw the Hammer.

Buffler wrote: »

Dont be so stupid.

They logged into PVP to play, its not an exploit if another faction cant get in.

Large Guilds form groups where the Crown is on a character with a different faction. Say the entire group is AD but the Crown is on an EP character. If the Crown queues for Cyrodiil, the Queue mistakes the entire group as an EP group, thus ALL those AD characters start taking up EP queue slots, which keep legitimate EP players from entering the Campaign.

Is this the reason the queue is clogged and broken ?

No, it's not. The game no longer allows cross-faction groups to enter cyrodiil queues. That was part of Update 17.

Ok thank you for answering . Glad to hear it's nothing anyone can intentionally reproduce .

VaranisArano

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

LordSemaj wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

another stupid poll thats not even valid. There was NO exploit. The people who were logged in played the game the exact way its meant to be played. They did nothing wrong and the only people who should be punished are those creating polls trying to get them punished.

The OP was pretty clear that their opinion was that AD should be left alone.

Then why are there poll options asking to ban the exploiters, make life hell on AD, and a topic title asking whether they as a faction should be punished? These are not the thoughts of someone who sees AD as innocent, nor are the comments that followed.

People can vote for something other than what they truly believe but the implications found in his messages speak volumes about his perceptions. This was clearly made to cast blame, several poll options blame AD, and even one of the No answers claims EP or DC would have done the same which openly implies that the exploit concept is accepted and would have been exploited by any faction.

It's a rigged poll setup to paint AD as bad guys.

The way I interpreted it, especially from my other conversations with the OP on this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/396262/200-queue-with-one-bar-pop-how#latest

Is that the OP took the common opinions expressed in that thread and others and put them into a poll.

maxjapank

I find this post silly. While some bug caused an imbalance in population, you are basically complaining that AD was able to run up the score because they greatly outnumbered the enemy factions. But there is a period of time when DC greatly outnumbers AD (though not caused by a bug). Isn't this basically the same? Exploiting the score by outnumbering the enemy?

VaranisArano

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

maxjapank wrote: »

I find this post silly. While some bug caused an imbalance in population, you are basically complaining that AD was able to run up the score because they greatly outnumbered the enemy factions. But there is a period of time when DC greatly outnumbers AD (though not caused by a bug). Isn't this basically the same? Exploiting the score by outnumbering the enemy?

If DC (or my own faction, EP) had that numerical advantage because ZOS mucked up the queues and AD players couldn't get into Cyrodiil to fight back, yeah, I'd have a problem with the situation.

maxjapank

VaranisArano wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

I find this post silly. While some bug caused an imbalance in population, you are basically complaining that AD was able to run up the score because they greatly outnumbered the enemy factions. But there is a period of time when DC greatly outnumbers AD (though not caused by a bug). Isn't this basically the same? Exploiting the score by outnumbering the enemy?

If DC (or my own faction, EP) had that numerical advantage because ZOS mucked up the queues and AD players couldn't get into Cyrodiil to fight back, yeah, I'd have a problem with the situation.

It seems that they did. AD players weren't able to get back into Cyrodiil yesterday. But it's still really the same thing. Running up the score based on vastly outnumbering the enemy. Which DC and sometimes EP will have in the 24 hour cycle.

coop500

No, they couldn't have known it was a bug

Wow this thing got a LOT of votes....

Tetrafy

No, they couldn't have known it was a bug

A thread where DC is complaining well this is new.

Slick_007

VaranisArano wrote: »

Is that the OP took the common opinions expressed in that thread and others and put them into a poll.

because they knew it would generate issues. theres no other reason they would have created it.

FloppyTouch

Ban the players for exploiting.

Why is it always AD same thing on xb NA prim time I'll sit in a que of 300 while AD is pop locked and AD friends tell me they have a 10 que. While there is almost no blue on but huge que.

f047ys3v3n

No, (other reason)

AD has had the same bug. It seems that at some point new players somehow couldn't get into Cyr and the que grew endlessly with almost nobody getting in resulting in low bars but long ques. I had a 191 que in AD when it was not pop locked.

Why AD won:
AD had planned a big push for this weekend (on PCNA) with an added guild that was supposed to be returning or something. They planned this weeks ago to try to stem the utter butt kicking that the purple (same major guild leaders and players basically control both red and blue) had been dishing out. Loosing every campaign seems to matter a bunch to some folks. I honestly think it is ridiculous as 1 alliance cannot conceivably beat two since, by dividing their active players between two alliances, the purple team can field ~220 at a time instead of ~110 due to the player cap. This, combined with the slanted map that puts two capture spawn points deep in AD and one merely between blue and red, as well as the default alliance effect (adds pugs) and better races (again more pugs), pretty much means yellow will loose with all conceivable strategies beyond fielding toons in other alliances as well.

This big yellow push, which started early, just happened to coincide with a bugged que meaning the que bugged at a time that AD had a very determined group of players in campaign and before DC logged on at 1:00AM for their daily map wipe (yes we know you do that). So DC (and their players in EP) try to respond and can't get in and their players that are in get demoralized and leave like AD does every day about 1:30AM. AD wipes the map and probably just thought that the reinforcements were the ticket. I personally was surprised as each take showed up on my notifications because last time I checked 2>1 even without the other structural advantages.

The responses to the poll are hilarious though. I am to gather that Purple, which is run by a group of players acting an a manner contrary to the rules, colluding cross alliance to essentially circumvent the pop cap by controlling portions of two populations instead of 1, wants to ban a bunch of players who unknowingly got an advantage due to a bugged que they wern't even in? That is rich guys. Don't worry, they will fix the que soon and you can go back to dominating 2 on 1. Seriously, funniest thing ever the QQing over this.

OrdoHermetica

Other

Players who logged on with alts in other Alliances then logged out should be banned. Players who just went into Cyrodiil to play their AD toons as normal should not.

Feanor

No, EP and DC would have done the same

The question itself is hilarious.