Should AD be punished for queue bug?

coop500

As the question states, do you want AD to be punished somehow for the bug?

(Note that my personal opinion is it's ZOS's fault and AD should be left alone but thought the poll could be fun.)

Edit: Here is some context: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/396262/200-queue-with-one-bar-pop-how/p1

ak_pvp

Can you slide some context our way?

dodgehopper_ESO

What are you talking about?

coop500

No, they couldn't have known it was a bug

ak_pvp wrote: »

Can you slide some context our way?

Earlier and possibly still in effect, not sure, there was a bug where people couldn't enter any campaign, you'd be put in insanely high queue even though the pop was low on your faction. On Vivec I think, AD was still on so they took the entire map while everyone else was locked out. Note that AD players that were not among them also couldn't enter.

Some people think AD locked the campaign on purpose, other people think it's a ZOS bug entirely or a mixture of both.

visionality

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

If you want to punish ppl for PvDooring in a campaign without enemy players, you would have to ban all night- and morningcappers, too.

Just close the campaign or reroll to Friday primetime.

ak_pvp

coop500 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Can you slide some context our way?

Earlier and possibly still in effect, not sure, there was a bug where people couldn't enter any campaign, you'd be put in insanely high queue even though the pop was low on your faction. On Vivec I think, AD was still on so they took the entire map while everyone else was locked out. Note that AD players that were not among them also couldn't enter.

Some people think AD locked the campaign on purpose, other people think it's a ZOS bug entirely or a mixture of both.

Ah, that one. The significance of AD made me think it was a different bug. (never know with eso) I don't really think it should be reverted or rollbacked, it wasn't intentional to lock people out, and they used their numbers similar to how people night cap.

Reverb

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

This isn't about punishment, this is about Zeni atonement. It was a population and queue bug. It was first reported in EUs prime time, hours before it hit NA. In fact, it was first reported (and ignored) during the last business hours of zeni's work day Friday. By the time it impacted NA, the EU campaign was already out of whack, and Zeni proceeded to ignore the problem for another 12 hours.

The factions on the various campaigns that were not locked out should not be punished simply because they were able to play when others could not, and the factions denied entry to the campaigns should not be punished by allowing the tainted, wildly imbalanced scoreboard to stand.

The only people who should be punished are those at Zeni who had the responsibility to notify the on call team of the problem, and failed to do so. The appropriate recompense to the player community is to reset the affected campaigns.

Tavore1138

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

If players continued to cap once the bug was common knowledge then yes they should be punished for exploiting (I would im,agine a simply check of AD zone chat over that period should be able to see if people were saying things like 'hah no-one else can log in lkets exploit this like a mofo').

Other than that a campaign reset would seem the obvious choice as it was quite close to the start anyway but you'll turn purple and die holding your breath for ZoS to do anything baou it - they have a long list of other bugs to ignore long before they get round to ignoring this one.

Ch4mpTW

Ban the players for exploiting.

As loyal as I am to The Queen, players who exploit in ANY form or fashion must be punished and punished in a timely fashion. First time offenders? 3 day suspension. Second time offenders? 1 week. Third time offenders? 1 month with flag on account for termination. Fourth time offender? IP ban.

jssriot

I heard that on that night, a DC guild got their asses handed to them in Vivec by some AD, so they threw a fit, left Vivec and later couldn't get back in because of the bug. I don't know if that's true--from my experiences with DC pvpers I'm inclined to think it is--it's absolutely filarious.

Besides, the queue bug was effecting AD too. I was there that night and AD guildies were having trouble getting in too, and last night I queued up around 7 Pm EST, it showed that AD was pop locked yet but I was 170 in queue. Then when I got in, the game CTD and I had to queue again once I got back into the game. Why it was effecting EP and DC on Friday in the way it was was not AD's fault.

Buy hey, maybe Coop should be banned for making intentionally inflammatory polls. I love that disclaimer. "Let me set the forum on fire but disclaimer: I generally disagree with setting *** on fire."

LadyNalcarya

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

I think they should just remove all points from the faction that abused the bug. No other penalties needed imo because players couldnt avoid the bug even if they had no malicious intentions.

And yeah, I personally think that being able to PvDoor to get campaign scores is a bad design.

Eirella

No, (other reason)

This thread....I can't believe people are actually saying players should be banned LOL. For what? It's not like being in first place gets you any good rewards.

VaranisArano

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

With this being an ongoing issue, 2 nights now, I think ZOS should reset the campaigns once they've fixed the issue.

Its nothing to do with taking away what AD got or EP or DC, but just that with a bug like that, it takes away the validity of the campaigns impacted.

I won't be bothered if ZOS chooses not to rollback the impacted campaigns, but I do think its the best option once they have confirmed that they've fixed the underlying problem.

Reverb

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

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Before I respond to this, I want to call attention to my post above, I have gone on record as saying I do not think AD exploited anything, or that anyone besides Zeni was in the wrong.

But it is Zeni's own handling of things that gives legitimacy to conversations such as this. We've seen time and again: Zeni introduces a bug that provides benefit to player; Zeni bans players for benefiting. This gives rise to player outcry of "no fair" as well as "dirty cheaters, ban them all".

But it's fuzzier than that. Zeni response to bugs has been all over the place through the years, see some examples below:

Zeni releases a heavy sack that insta respawns. A Player loots it a few times and moves on, probably no action taken. A different player camps the sack for hours and hours, will possibly get banned. Player camps the node and promotes the bug to others, several people are banned for it.

Player discovers a skill, let's say...Rearming Trap...melts bosses. Player reports it but continues to use the skill because it's always been part of his rotation, questionable response by Zeni. Player tells everyone about the bug, groups assemble specifically to use this bug to cheese the hardest content. Zeni fixes the bug and takes no action against players.

A set is discovered to give obscenely unintended damage bonuses. Player who previously used set reports it and stops using set, receives no punishment from Zeni. Player who previously used the set reports the problem but continues using the set, gets temp ban. Players promote the bug in guild chats, other players farm the hell out of that set, specifically to exploit the bug. All receive the same temp ban as the player who had used it before the bug was introduced.

Zeni releases new items that can be bought with Telvar. Minutes after servers come up, players (predictably and understandably) flood IC to farm Telvar. It is discovered that mobs are giving waaaay too much XP. Many players fail to notice this, because they are there to farm TV,and not XP, what action taken by Zeni? Other players do notice, and tell everyone to come to IC and grind, does this warrant a different response from Zeni?

Zeni introduces cyrodiil queue bug, and only AD can get into the campaign. Some players keep playing as they normally would if the bug didn't exist. Others gleefully point out that they can take advantage of the bug to take over the map and scoreboard without opposition. How is this different than any of the scenarios above?

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iiYuki

Are you referring to punishing ALL AD players or just the few that took part? Does anyone, including ZO$, even know what happened? Is it not just a case of a queue bug and some people managed to get in and are now being blamed for what ANYONE would do if there were no enemy players present.

Sigma957

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

I think the affected campaigns should just be re-rolled back and any AP made, titles gained taken away. Players would have heard about the bug that prevented other players from joining the campaign through guilds etc.

VaranisArano

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

iiYuki wrote: »

Are you referring to punishing ALL AD players or just the few that took part? Does anyone, including ZO$, even know what happened? Is it not just a case of a queue bug and some people managed to get in and are now being blamed for what ANYONE would do if there were no enemy players present.

As I understand it, anyone who had been able to get into Cyrodiil before the queues bugged in was able to play. Anyone who logged off was unable to get back in and was probably still being counted towards the active queue. Thanks to timing, AD happened to have the most players on and stayed logged in while EP and DC logged off after the Ad got the emperorship and couldn't get back in.

So its nothing that anyone actually did, though AD benefited from their players staying logged in while others logged off in greater numbers, all factions had players unable to enter Cyrodiil due to the bugged queues.

Luthid

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

I was one of the very few DC in Vivec on Friday night. If it had been us on the "right" side of the bug and we had full pop, I have zero doubt we would have done the same as AD did. Even if we had been the ones with the advantage I would be calling for a campaign reset. Maybe especially so, since I wouldn't want a win under such ugly circumstances.

The campaigns need reset. It's the right thing for Zos to do.

TequilaFire

No, they couldn't have known it was a bug

Sic ad nauseam.
Let it be.

zyk

Other

Reverb wrote: »

But it is Zeni's own handling of things that gives legitimacy to conversations such as this. We've seen time and again: Zeni introduces a bug that provides benefit to player; Zeni bans players for benefiting. This gives rise to player outcry of "no fair" as well as "dirty cheaters, ban them all".

It's not applicable here because there's no evidence of exploitation at all. As far as the public knows, there was no way to intentionally trigger or manipulate this bug.

The result of the bug was that AD happened to have a greater presence than the other factions. The players online did what players normally do when they have a greater presence than other factions. This might was well have been 2AM EST DC on PC/NA doing what they normally do when they have a population and/or power advantage.

The other topics you reference are cans of worms. Each is a discussion on its own. The problem with those discussions is that while we know some players have had their accounts actioned for exploiting the relevant bugs, we have no idea what the threshold was. For example, we know some players may have been banned for exploiting the IC bug, but we don't know what the conduct of those players was, what they said in chat, or whether they have a history of exploitation. Regardless, that is a separate topic.

I agree that ZOS should be more transparent and consistent when it comes to cheating in general, but that's a separate discussion on its own. We should not give merit to the notions of salty individuals that AD, as a faction, somehow rigged this to happen. It's absurd.

Enslaved

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

Reset campaign and thats it.

Buffler

Dont be so stupid.

They logged into PVP to play, its not an exploit if another faction cant get in.

Radinyn

No, EP and DC would have done the same

EP actually done it first

DoctorESO

coop500 wrote: »

As the question states, do you want AD to be punished somehow for the bug?

Yes, send three generations of their families to the gulag.

(Not.)

"Punishing AD" will just do injustice to a whole bunch of innocent players.

Dont_do_drugs

No, EP and DC would have done the same

(Note that my personal opinion is it's ZOS's fault and AD should be left alone but thought the poll could be fun.)

so you are doing this poll just to release the hell on forums?

Jura23

No, (other reason)

No, because even if they knew it was a bug, there is no evidence it influenced the campaign in any way since nobody knows how many EP and DC ppl would actually go and fight them back.

SirAndy

Other

VaranisArano

Rollback the campaign to before the bug took effect

Jura23 wrote: »

No, because even if they knew it was a bug, there is no evidence it influenced the campaign in any way since nobody knows how many EP and DC ppl would actually go and fight them back.

While AD can't be blamed or expected to know that it was influencing the campaign, I find it hard to believe that this bug hasn't influenced the campaign when there were people who wanted to play and couldn't because there were locked out by a bugged queue.

I don't blame AD. I do think the campaign was influenced enough over the 2 days this has happened now that it warrants a campaign restart or rollback.

TequilaFire

No, they couldn't have known it was a bug

Hmm, currently no Emp map looks pretty well balanced and AD only has a 450 point lead with 28 days left to play.
As usual all blown out of proportion. Seems the problem is self correcting.

Recremen

No, (other reason)

You gonna ban the DC and EP from yesterday taking advantage of while AD queue was bugged? Or is plausible deniability only for your faction?

Tasear

No, (other reason)

What's with fervor to punish our fellow players?