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Could we please be a bit more noob (new player) friendly?
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✭for starters you could call them newbs instead of noobs. noobs is more a derogatory term for newbs. pronounced the same.1 -
Adernath✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »No. Dumbing the game down for noobs is a terrible idea and something thats ruining the game already. Either try to get better at the game or fail at whatever it is you're mad about. The most balanced game is one where those with an understanding are successful and noobs die over and over again.
It sounds harsh but its true. The main bulk of the game, namely the overland content, delves and group delves is in a very easy state already. Most of the group dungeons require no or just a decent amount of coordination. I really wish the remaining content will be dedicated to veteran players only, so that we clearly have seperately beginner friendly dungeons and dungeons which are challenging for experienced players.
It is really not necessary that end-level players and newbies share the same new content.3 -
WhiteScythe✭✭✭
Agreed when I look back at my title and using the word "noob" I admit that was probably a wrong choice. I did not mean in any way shape or form to offend anyone by using that term.. it's just that's what these airheads are calling new players.for starters you could call them newbs instead of noobs. noobs is more a derogatory term for newbs. pronounced the same.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭for starters you could call them newbs instead of noobs. noobs is more a derogatory term for newbs. pronounced the same.
Not sure one is better than the other....wouldn’t the idea the OP is suggesting go over better by using the players names?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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FakeFox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The toxicity usually comes from the "Noobs" themselves. People don't understand basic game mechanics and when you engage with them you are either called elitist, exploiter or hacker. New players often don't want to except that "git gud" is actually the only proper answer you can give them as practice and self learning are key to success in ESO.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)4 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The toxicity usually comes from the "Noobs" themselves. People don't understand basic game mechanics and when you engage with them you are either called elitist, exploiter or hacker. New players often don't want to except that "git gud" is actually the only proper answer you can give them as practice and self learning are key to success in ESO.
OMG peeps....cmon are u serious-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »No. Dumbing the game down for noobs is a terrible idea and something thats ruining the game already. Either try to get better at the game or fail at whatever it is you're mad about. The most balanced game is one where those with an understanding are successful and noobs die over and over again.
It sounds harsh but its true. The main bulk of the game, namely the overland content, delves and group delves is in a very easy state already. Most of the group dungeons require no or just a decent amount of coordination. I really wish the remaining content will be dedicated to veteran players only, so that we clearly have seperately beginner friendly dungeons and dungeons which are challenging for experienced players.
It is really not necessary that end-level players and newbies share the same new content.
Who's asking to dumb down the game? I see a request to be nicer to other, newer players. That is in no way, shape, or form, dumbing down the game. It's asking for less jerkish behavior from more experienced players, or maybe even being helpful. How is sharing knowledge "dumbing down"? Teaching others makes them smarter, not dumbing them down...c'mon, now..Edited by Kel on February 16, 2018 2:39AM6 -
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✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....
Sigh.....I support your cause
I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.
I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...
@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.
No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.
In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.
Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.
I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying
I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.
And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.
So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »The toxicity usually comes from the "Noobs" themselves. People don't understand basic game mechanics and when you engage with them you are either called elitist, exploiter or hacker. New players often don't want to except that "git gud" is actually the only proper answer you can give them as practice and self learning are key to success in ESO.
OMG peeps....cmon are u serious
Blacksmurf is a noob. One of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭I agree just be nice and helpful. Have fun..I know it's your 8th character doing the daily in a row but that's yourvprovlem..be kind to each other5
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »The toxicity usually comes from the "Noobs" themselves. People don't understand basic game mechanics and when you engage with them you are either called elitist, exploiter or hacker. New players often don't want to except that "git gud" is actually the only proper answer you can give them as practice and self learning are key to success in ESO.
OMG peeps....cmon are u serious
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✭✭✭Agreed. I went into Kyne today with a new alt I'm leveling. Assuming a decent amount of people are doing the same thing. Was someone in zone chat basically berating the other alliance members for not using "**** siege", for not doing x and y, etc, etc, and asking if it was noob hour or whatever. At least one person openly said they were going back to PVE overland because said person was making the entire experience less fun.
Now...I'm nowhere near experienced in PVP. I've only just started doing it within the last month/month and a half on my main. I figured Kyne might be more relaxed since it's newer/lower level players learning and leveling together but, for the most part, it was a lot less polite, a lot less organized, and a whole lot more bickering than I've seen elsewhere. Makes me hope I can level to 50 fast and go back to my standard campaign.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »The toxicity usually comes from the "Noobs" themselves. People don't understand basic game mechanics and when you engage with them you are either called elitist, exploiter or hacker. New players often don't want to except that "git gud" is actually the only proper answer you can give them as practice and self learning are key to success in ESO.
OMG peeps....cmon are u serious
Blacksmurf is a noob.
@Eremith
What’s funny tho is I got called a noob during the holiday event cause i was on a level 15 Warden....mind you I’m in voice and text chat during this dungeon as a healer with warden skills and rejuvenate staff healing.
No one was dying but because I was talking vs typing.....even tho they could hear me cause they would type back....i was a noob cause i did t want to rush through the dungeon.
I’m like guys i said about 28 times....sorry but I’m doing the quest bare with me. I was level 15!
With over 600 CP
Kicked me
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✭✭✭Agreed. I went into Kyne today with a new alt I'm leveling. Assuming a decent amount of people are doing the same thing. Was someone in zone chat basically berating the other alliance members for not using "**** siege", for not doing x and y, etc, etc, and asking if it was noob hour or whatever. At least one person openly said they were going back to PVE overland because said person was making the entire experience less fun.
Now...I'm nowhere near experienced in PVP. I've only just started doing it within the last month/month and a half on my main. I figured Kyne might be more relaxed since it's newer/lower level players learning and leveling together but, for the most part, it was a lot less polite, a lot less organized, and a whole lot more bickering than I've seen elsewhere. Makes me hope I can level to 50 fast and go back to my standard campaign.
Stick with it........... Kyne is great........... well on EU anyway
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Marginis✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....
Sigh.....I support your cause
I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.
I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...
@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.
No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.
In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.
Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.
I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying
I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.
And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.
So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.
You know that’s being elitist right?
What specifically is making me elitist?
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....
Sigh.....I support your cause
I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.
I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...
@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.
No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.
In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.
Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.
I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying
I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.
And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.
So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.
You know that’s being elitist right?
What specifically is making me elitist?
Your belief in those generalizations-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Fherrit✭✭✭Then, the vets... I ask you with tears in my eyes, WHY do people queue for vet dungeons under CP 160? WHY do people queue for vet dungeons with 10k health? WHY do people queue for vet dungeons without familiarizing themselves with the normal version first? WHY are these same people incapable of learning from their mistakes? You should not be dying to the VERY PREDICTABLE mechanics of the final boss in Vaults of Madness over and over again, for instance...and yet, that's precisely what I had to deal with this evening.
Elitists suck, yes, but players who are unwilling to learn or meet the bare minimum of what's expected of them aren't fun to play with either.
A few things here;
I get what you're saying about learning or meeting the bare minimum, and I can totally see getting frustrated by repeated failure (I've even much to my embarrassment been guilty of that a couple of times--I utterly hate Mazzatun as a result) but some things you may not have considered;
1) There are a lot of dungeons, while those who have been playing for a year or more have probably run them till they could do them in their sleep, when you're just starting to learn them even with resources like Static's guides its a lot to take in at once. And one does have to take it in at once, because the DF throws one at you randomly, so all have to be watched and doing it in one sitting is beyond most people (it certainly was for me, I still watch some of them to drill the info into my head). ((and yes, I know you can que for specific ones, but unless they're the pledge of the day, you're going to be waiting a long time for a specific one to pop)).
2) Seeing the vids, you get a passing familiarity of the dungeons. Unfortunately running a pug in the DF on normal is usually a racing fest for a new player, where the high CP chars are burning through things so fast that new players don't have the opportunity to observe/learn much as they get (unintentionally) carried through everything so quickly. This IMO is the biggest barrier to new players going into Vet dungeons, they have very little learning that carries over.
3) Most vets don't realize just how much they know, and how much there is to know. What seems a obvious mechanic to them because they've seen it 100s of times is invisible to a newbie, and often they don't even know how to explain it. More than a few/lots of times when I've asked what the tell looks like, I'm told "you'll know when you see it". Really? I just said i don't know what the tell looks like
Guess people don't know how to translate what the eye sees into words as vids edge out the ability to read/write.
I empathize with both sides of this issue, for in some ways I'm still very much a newbie and in other ways I've done enough vet content that I dislike dealing with lazy people as well. But one thing I've noticed is the community has a different tone during the evening hours than daytime (as measured PST) with the daytime play having been IME more pleasant.8 -
Marginis✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....
Sigh.....I support your cause
I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.
I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...
@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.
No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.
In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.
Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.
I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying
I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.
And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.
So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.
You know that’s being elitist right?
What specifically is making me elitist?
Your belief in those generalizations
I don't believe that those generalizations necessarily hold true. I said they could hold true, not that they do. Did you read what I said?
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Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Personally I haven't run into too much ingame. I play late night, though, and when I run trials or PvP it's usually with guildies and other friends. That is not to say that I haven't run into the occasional utterly inexcusable jackass. LOL As much as I love PvP I will say (from 10 years of PvP'ing) it generally is much more toxic than PvE. It all boils down to emotional maturity, and there is a shocking lack of that all across the western world.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....
Sigh.....I support your cause
I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.
I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...
@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.
No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.
In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.
Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.
I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying
I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.
And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.
So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.
You know that’s being elitist right?
What specifically is making me elitist?
Your belief in those generalizations
I don't believe that those generalizations necessarily hold true. I said they could hold true, not that they do. Did you read what I said?
yes I read all your comments a few times.
Remember, it’s just text on a page and if you believe something a little, a lot, etc. it’s your belief.
Perception is reality so that’s why in my earlier comment it reads that voice is better than textEdited by NewBlacksmurf on February 16, 2018 3:13AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭Asking this community or this forum to be more noob friendly is a losing battle.
ZOS makes some great strides, but their ultimately held back by their disconnect with their own audience. I wouldn't expect any great leaps. Skill advisor system was a good start though.
Forum wise, good lord. Most of these people dont, or dont want to remember what it was like to be new. They shame newbies, they think practice is the solution to everything, and any unwillingness to do so, or any analization of a situation that leads one to believe maybe it's not a good use of their time is an excuse. And they ultimately hold ESO back.
Wasted breath, I'm afraid.
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Dromede✭✭✭✭IDK man... Recently did Spindleclutch 1 on normal as a tank, did 60% of group DPS with double sword&board
. At some point i mentioned it (at least 20 min in, this dungeon took forever to complete given my average dps of 3k) - and got a "well, we 3 are buddies and occasionally play together when bored in other games". We ended up nice and civil, completed the dungeon and went on our merry ways, but heck - they were obviously not interested in any tips or improvement, and they spent a good amount of my - or any other 'lucky' tank if i left - time.
The problem is that the game says that you can do whatever you want, roll a lizard double bow mixed build dps, loot-only gear and queue into a random group finder for all kinds of dungeons - while effectively not giving a crapuccino about the rest 3 of the players.
I truly hope that levelling guide will be effective addressing this problem. But really, it's not about the information or patience - it's targeting a specific market of "do whatever you want Skyrim-style, at high enough level you will be unkillable no matter what" kind of people. Some people will not seek to learn no matter what, even with all available info right under their nose, and I'm somehow the one feeling stupid for wasting my time in virtual reality caring about this thing, because it's just a game, even though i do care if I'm still having fun here or not.Edited by Dromede on February 16, 2018 3:33AMSkye Cloude - Sorc DPS, Master Crafter. Main, the bestest
Lae Lenne - Templar Healer Trial grade.
Dromede - Stamina Nightblade, she's a newb and doesn't know what she's doing
V'oghatta - Stamplar pretending to be a tank
Ulville Thonvella - aspiring Fire Mage, be careful around her fire sticks!
Dromedaris - lost and not found. Named after a shoe, what else can you expect from her? A proper tank in her wildest dreams
Swims-Naked - too pretty to grind, too silly to quest.
Sun Flair - Dunmer Templar that can't spell for life. To bad she's too broke to afford a name change... Well, at least she's pretty...2 -
Marginis✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....
Sigh.....I support your cause
I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.
I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...
@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.
No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.
In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.
Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.
I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying
I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.
And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.
So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.
You know that’s being elitist right?
What specifically is making me elitist?
Your belief in those generalizations
I don't believe that those generalizations necessarily hold true. I said they could hold true, not that they do. Did you read what I said?
yes I read all your comments a few times.
Remember, it’s just text on a page and if you believe something a little, a lot, etc. it’s your belief.
Perception is reality so that’s why in my earlier comment it reads that voice is better than text
My point was that perception informs reality, though doesn't always follow it. That is to say, while it's not the really the case that PC and console players are that different (although some can be), stereotypes reinforcing the divide exist, and affect the community. For example, you automatically assumed I was a PC elitist when I suggested I've encountered less toxicity on PC than on xbox. That affects then how you chose to engage with me. Not sure if that's what you meant by "perception is reality" but I hope that in the very least you can understand that I am not elitist - I am a Khajiit of the people - and I was only trying to find a way to explain trends - not to express elitism.@Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.0 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭New players shouldn't be expecting to be treated like the 700+ club. Those players did the content when it was more difficult and now people want them to carry you to get to their level much easier than the struggle they went through. That's not how it works. You can start your own little guild and struggle the way they did, wiping constantly on raids, spending millions of gold on potions, and gearing up your members one piece at a time. Complaining that the three max CP players didn't want to group with you as though you deserve a spot in that spot after your 20 hours of dolmen grinding is so not on point.
I never see people bully or putdown players who are new. I see new players feel entitled to all the same benefits as long term players without having to put in any effort or gaining any experience playing the game. They want immediate results and instant access to the best possible gear without first getting the gear that make you strong enough to get the best possible gear. This is a game, not the welfare office.
Again, I really don't see old players treating new players poorly. I see new players vilifying old players for not carrying them.Edited by LordSemaj on February 16, 2018 3:42AM5 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WhiteScythe wrote: »And not so damn elitist. There are plenty of new and returning players who are trying to get into the game so the bullying and put downs aren't helping the game's population. We need these people to hang around for the game's future. I'm getting sick of the constant crappy behaviour.
Rant over.
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....
Sigh.....I support your cause
I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.
I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...
@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.
No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.
In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.
Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.
I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying
I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.
And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.
So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.
You know that’s being elitist right?
What specifically is making me elitist?
Your belief in those generalizations
I don't believe that those generalizations necessarily hold true. I said they could hold true, not that they do. Did you read what I said?
yes I read all your comments a few times.
Remember, it’s just text on a page and if you believe something a little, a lot, etc. it’s your belief.
Perception is reality so that’s why in my earlier comment it reads that voice is better than text
My point was that perception informs reality, though doesn't always follow it. That is to say, while it's not the really the case that PC and console players are that different (although some can be), stereotypes reinforcing the divide exist, and affect the community. For example, you automatically assumed I was a PC elitist when I suggested I've encountered less toxicity on PC than on xbox. That affects then how you chose to engage with me. Not sure if that's what you meant by "perception is reality" but I hope that in the very least you can understand that I am not elitist - I am a Khajiit of the people - and I was only trying to find a way to explain trends - not to express elitism.
@Marginis
I didn’t assume anything, I simply read what you wrote.
No reaction to the later comments, just tried to point out within your comment, the way you placed your words conveys that you have a belief that PC players are likely better than console. And with that, there are more kids on console than PC ....further you go on to suggest as a result of those two unfounded beliefs you have, you believe it’s more likely that console players are much more likely to be rude or an elitist compared to PC players.
Even after sharing my personal example, you’ve continued to support your beliefs. So in essence it’s kinda humorous to me but sad in terms of the topic.....especially considering at one time the first perfect and highest score for a stamina NB in vMSA was on console (Xbox One).....and there are plenty of other examples that unless we know them personally or have played with them in the past, those types of beliefs you convey come off as elitist.
So an elitist comment is usually defined as something like: (of a person or class of persons) considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society: elitist country clubbers who have theirs and don't care about anybody else. ... a person who believes in the superiority of an elitist class.
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✭✭WhiteScythe wrote: »In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.
That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.
You're blaming the wrong group of people.
The elite and hardcore don't remotely care what you're wearing or doing or eating in a normal dungeon. Normals are easy enough that people who are genuinely good at the game can solo them and when pugging fully expect to.
The idiots you're talking about are living on mount stupid.
They know just enough about the game to make themselves feel superior, but don't actually have enough skill to be good at the game.
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Ydrisselle✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »No. Dumbing the game down for noobs is a terrible idea and something thats ruining the game already. Either try to get better at the game or fail at whatever it is you're mad about. The most balanced game is one where those with an understanding are successful and noobs die over and over again.
It sounds harsh but its true. The main bulk of the game, namely the overland content, delves and group delves is in a very easy state already. Most of the group dungeons require no or just a decent amount of coordination. I really wish the remaining content will be dedicated to veteran players only, so that we clearly have seperately beginner friendly dungeons and dungeons which are challenging for experienced players.
It is really not necessary that end-level players and newbies share the same new content.
I don't know any MMO where there are enough veteran skilled HC players to justify making extreme hard content just for them (not even in WoW). The majority always are casual or simply not joining the min-maxer club - and since there are way more of them, it's generally a better idea to make content mainly for them.2 -
SillyPlay✭✭Only time I've not been "noob-friendly" was in vet direfrost keep. Boss kept draining this guy and he wouldn't CC break. Kept explaining what to do, key to press, how he could change controls and then wiping like 6 times so I could go over it again. Finally told the healer to not rez him if he died and just finished it with 3 ppl4 -
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✭Agreed. I went into Kyne today with a new alt I'm leveling. Assuming a decent amount of people are doing the same thing. Was someone in zone chat basically berating the other alliance members for not using "**** siege", for not doing x and y, etc, etc, and asking if it was noob hour or whatever. At least one person openly said they were going back to PVE overland because said person was making the entire experience less fun.
Now...I'm nowhere near experienced in PVP. I've only just started doing it within the last month/month and a half on my main. I figured Kyne might be more relaxed since it's newer/lower level players learning and leveling together but, for the most part, it was a lot less polite, a lot less organized, and a whole lot more bickering than I've seen elsewhere. Makes me hope I can level to 50 fast and go back to my standard campaign.
I took my level 17 into Kyne as well today and found the same. Couldn't get into a group to save my life..just got ignored in zone chat and zone chat was so bad I just switched tabs to my guild chat and played solo.
So I did my tutorial, did a scouting mission and left. That's all I'll do til I hit 50.
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