Could we please be a bit more noob (new player) friendly?

WhiteScythe

And not so damn elitist. There are plenty of new and returning players who are trying to get into the game so the bullying and put downs aren't helping the game's population. We need these people to hang around for the game's future. I'm getting sick of the constant crappy behaviour.

Rant over.

geonsocal

example por favor...

do you mean in game, or, here on the forum?

JJBoomer

Agreed.

I am by no means one of the Super Special Awesome Skilled Players™

But yeah, new players and nooby players could use some more support so they can actually, idk, enjoy this game a little bit without being berated for not having complete instant knowledge of what they "should" be doing.

Cosigned.

wsmith97ub17_ESO

I see mostly people being helpful, except in vet dungeons.

WhiteScythe

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

WhiteScythe

JJBoomer wrote: »

Agreed.

I am by no means one of the Super Special Awesome Skilled Players™

But yeah, new players and nooby players could use some more support so they can actually, idk, enjoy this game a little bit without being berated for not having complete instant knowledge of what they "should" be doing.

Cosigned.

And yes I agree. The skills advisor is a step in the right direction but we need more unfortunately. Outside resources are a good tool to get the knowledge we need but some of these places are not known, especially by new players. We need more support.

Marginis

From my experience it's coming more and more the more we get hardcore players running around. Like, I like having people to help with builds and making cool setups, but then you get certain people who take it too seriously and say anything besides perfect is bad. I love how people can get invested in PVP, but then you get those players who will do anything to win, exploits and all. I've sadly even seen RPers like this. The way they RP is the only way, according to them, and their club must be exclusive instead of inclusive. Some of this I think is a general trend away from casual gamers that were just trying out ESO as a fun side thing and toward people who play ESO a lot. Exclusively. Intensely. Another factor may be a gradual influx of players from other games because ESO has become so accessible, and those players bring over problems from their communities in other games. ESO used to get WOW players who left WOW to escape it or try new things, be open to new things. Now WOW players come to ESO because it's the new MMO space. They want things to be like what they're used to, which constricts ESO and its community, to what I can tell.

pattyLtd

I see mostly helpfull and nice people in game but theres alot of idiots on the planet, so chances are some play eso.
Cant fix stupid and you are not responsible for other peoples actions.

I always feel bad when this happens to someone in group too but its pretty rare or maybe im just lucky.

I hope the “noob” changes his/her mind and tries again soon with a better result most people are ok, some need to get put in place (as in young and trying to be badass ) and others are just not worth to bother with.

It sounds like you encountered the latter.

Colecovision

WhiteScythe wrote: »

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

I would have offered food. Did the player refuse food and get kicked? Or just not have it? Also, was it a hard dungeon with people dying or was the whole thing ridiculous. Elites solo normals quickly.

NewBlacksmurf

WhiteScythe wrote: »

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....

Sigh.....I support your cause

Marginis

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

WhiteScythe wrote: »

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....

Sigh.....I support your cause

I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.

I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...

Knights12

I started playing ESO during early access pre-launch. I rolled a Templar and knew nothing about dungeons nor MMO's really. My first run in Fungal Grotto, I had no heals slotted and I didn't even have a restoration staff! I was absolutely berated in chat by two people but the other person gave me encouragement rather than act that way. He gave a boost and now I've healed everything in PVE and I've gotten all PVP achievements for healing. There are really good people in this game, keep your head up and you will find them!

NewBlacksmurf

Marginis wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

WhiteScythe wrote: »

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....

Sigh.....I support your cause

I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.

I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...

@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.

No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.

In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.

Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.

I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying

hamgatan

WhiteScythe wrote: »

And not so damn elitist. There are plenty of new and returning players who are trying to get into the game so the bullying and put downs aren't helping the game's population. We need these people to hang around for the game's future. I'm getting sick of the constant crappy behaviour.

Rant over.

Unfortunately most of it is coming from a newer and younger player base that hasnt been around from the beginning but pretend they have (Pretty much post Morrowind crowd).

I've called a few people on it before. They rant on with the line 'I've played since beta'. But when I say 'oh cool, well how about you get your imagkin monkey pet out then just to verify that'.. The excuses flow.

Many of us 'originals' aren't even here anymore. God I myself would be lucky to play once a fortnight. Yesterday was the first time in 3 months I'd logged in and taken more than 30mins to play. Oh and I was told to learn the game mechanics too at one point.

I always get a chuckle from self-proclaimed elitists whose vocabulary consists of (sic) 'git gud' and L2P. The reality is I was playing MUDs/MOOs before half these Bellends were even born.

Elitists are in every MMO, you can't avoid them. They are the people who lack the ability to develop solid social constructs in real life and lack EQ to perceive inconsistencies and repercussions of their chosen forms of interaction with other humans.

Pre Tamriel Unlimited the game community was great but the game itself sucked. Now here we are several years later and the game is far better but the community took a dive. I suspect a lot of this has to do with the median age shifting on the player base as well.

You know sometimes I'm actually thankful for the Japanese expansion (despite the annoyance of their zergballing) - culturally they are lovely people and even though the English might be limited when running Pledges they at least know the basics and are courteous and polite enough to give it a crack with n00bs and not complain.

Tannus15

WhiteScythe wrote: »

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

You're blaming the wrong group of people.

The elite and hardcore don't remotely care what you're wearing or doing or eating in a normal dungeon. Normals are easy enough that people who are genuinely good at the game can solo them and when pugging fully expect to.

The idiots you're talking about are living on mount stupid.



They know just enough about the game to make themselves feel superior, but don't actually have enough skill to be good at the game.

Androconium

WhiteScythe wrote: »

And not so damn elitist. There are plenty of new and returning players who are trying to get into the game so the bullying and put downs aren't helping the game's population. We need these people to hang around for the game's future. I'm getting sick of the constant crappy behaviour.

Rant over.

Hello,
"Could we please be a bit more noob friendly?"

Yes, we could prevent characters with any CP from entering 'Training Zones' At least then, new players would have a chance of actually finding materials that they could harvest.

Blacksmoke

Nah good thinking though!

Abysswarrior45

No. Dumbing the game down for noobs is a terrible idea and something thats ruining the game already. Either try to get better at the game or fail at whatever it is you're mad about. The most balanced game is one where those with an understanding are successful and noobs die over and over again.

Aeorath

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

No. Dumbing the game down for noobs is a terrible idea and something thats ruining the game already. Either try to get better at the game or fail at whatever it is you're mad about. The most balanced game is one where those with an understanding are successful and noobs die over and over again.

*facepalm*

NewBlacksmurf

What’s funny is the OP is asking ppl not to be so elitist and the comments....

Ermiq

When a person complains about food buff in a normal dungeon, then that person is a noob.

Elitists, hardcore gamers, dung set farmers, experienced players don't really care about it because they can solo normal dungeon. I go through the dungeon, wait for others before boss fight so they could get their reward for that boss, wait for them when they need to do a quest, and I say "thanks all" in the end, even if I know that my groupies don't have a clue what they are doing and how bad they perform.

NewBlacksmurf

Eremith wrote: »

When a person complains about food buff in a normal dungeon, then that person is a noob.

Elitists, hardcore gamers, dung set farmers, experienced players don't really care about it because they can solo normal dungeon. I go through the dungeon, wait for others before boss fight so they could get their reward for that boss, wait for them when they need to do a quest, and I say "thanks all" in the end, even if I know that my groupies don't have a clue what they are doing and how bad they perform.

Yooo folks.....the OP is hoping for the community to do better.....not this

s7732425ub17_ESO

People need to give other players time to learn and practice mechanics. EVERYONE was a noob at some point. The only way to get good is through practice. You can't practice if you repeatedly get kicked or are too scared to try.

Karm1cOne

This is where guilds step in. Be super over the top hardcore, with your hardcore friends. Not in group finder. Same with noobs. I see a ton of invites in zone advertising noob friendly guilds.

Osteos

I think it goes both ways honestly. Groupfinder is a crap shoot at best. You never know what you are going to get. If its normal it really doesn't matter. Vet though it depends on the dungeon. I have zero patience for people who queue for a vet dlc dungeon with 12.5k health and think that is ok. If you add spamming the ready check and pulling the boss 3 times while the tank is trying to explain the fight and why you need more food then you definitely deserve to be kicked. No name calling or drama just vote to kick them or if it doesn't pass leave. Yes people can be unnecessarily rude and some can be willfully dense. Both types need to work on playing as part of a team.

central_scrutinizer

Whenever I do randoms I go with at least one other friend, and we'll never kick new players. We do however freely kick anybody who starts kicks against newbies.
I love teaching new players ect. And I love being strong enough to get things done when the stars and moon aren't perfectly aligned.
I also love laughing at primadonnas who join randoms but are too gimped to roll with whatever they get.

Also when we are on alts I will form group with newbies who are asking about dungeons ect in chat, and let them set the pace of the group.

Aurielle

Osteos wrote: »

I think it goes both ways honestly. Groupfinder is a crap shoot at best. You never know what you are going to get. If its normal it really doesn't matter. Vet though it depends on the dungeon. I have zero patience for people who queue for a vet dlc dungeon with 12.5k health and think that is ok. If you add spamming the ready check and pulling the boss 3 times while the tank is trying to explain the fight and why you need more food then you definitely deserve to be kicked. No name calling or drama just vote to kick them or if it doesn't pass leave. Yes people can be unnecessarily rude and some can be willfully dense. Both types need to work on playing as part of a team.

This. I don't care much about stupid mistakes in normals -- I only do normals for the daily XP bonus, and can solo all of them easily (with the exception of the harder DLC dungeons). What irritates me in normals are the lazy light attack spammers who can't even be bothered to throw in an AOE or two. No, I don't NEED them to complete the dungeon, but it's frustrating when a dungeon that should take ten minutes to complete with four players ends up taking twice as long, as I'm essentially soloing the whole freaking thing (especially frustrating on my tank, who has some DPS gear, but has CPs set up for tanking). These players also tend not to listen when friendly advice is given. Then, the vets... I ask you with tears in my eyes, WHY do people queue for vet dungeons under CP 160? WHY do people queue for vet dungeons with 10k health? WHY do people queue for vet dungeons without familiarizing themselves with the normal version first? WHY are these same people incapable of learning from their mistakes? You should not be dying to the VERY PREDICTABLE mechanics of the final boss in Vaults of Madness over and over again, for instance...and yet, that's precisely what I had to deal with this evening.

Elitists suck, yes, but players who are unwilling to learn or meet the bare minimum of what's expected of them aren't fun to play with either.

Marginis

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

WhiteScythe wrote: »

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....

Sigh.....I support your cause

I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.

I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...

@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.

No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.

In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.

Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.

I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying

I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.

And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.

So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.

NewBlacksmurf

Marginis wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

WhiteScythe wrote: »

In-game and possibly on the forums I don't keep too much of an eye on things around here but it's pretty bad in game. Example; a normal dungeon. Someone was forced to leave the dungeon because they didn't have food. This person was getting crapped on in the chat and when I said guys relax it's alright don't stress about it they were attacking me as well.

That person left the dungeon and messaged me saying he's never going to do a dungeon again if that's the way people are.

Man that’s bad.
My opinion was/is PC has more of an elitist feel due to types words vs spoken. I moved to console and it was much better until text chat was added....

Sigh.....I support your cause

I've found quite the opposite. So long as you're on PC too, PC players tend to be a bit more kind, from what I've seen. Perhaps it's a lot of them being from the gentle early days of ESO and they've somewhat kept that positive attitude. Console on the other hand gets people who buy consoles because they don't have money or time to build a PC, so they bring in stress from their lives where they don't have time/money. Console brings in dumb arrogant kids whose parents bought them a console. Console brings in Call of Duty players, FFS.

I mean, I've met good and bad people on both, but if you were to compare the two...

@Marginis
I should clarify console means Xbox One in my comment. Some would say what you just wrote is the example of being elitist that the OP is talking about.

No idea why anyone would assume PC means someone is better off financially. Also no idea why anyone would decide that one system has more kids than another.

In my home I own two consoles, one for me and one for my kids.
Two PCs, one for me and one for my kids.

Two gaming rooms, one for me and one for my kids.

I play 98% on console tho.....
People are people, elitist are elitist, regardless of platform. Voice communication offers tone, influx, expression and words where text is limited. That was the factual point i was conveying

I should clarify. I'm just speaking of my personal experience only - I've played on both PC and console, and currently am only playing ESO on xbox. As far as PC vs xbox financially, I only mean to say that certain generalizations that can be made, if only as a general sense, like how PC culture cultivates a lot who really invest in their rig with time and upgrades and personalization, which generally costs (or seems to cost, even though it usually doesn't) more, whereas console users tend to not (or seem not) get that as much. Even if the generalizations don't hold true, perception of the generalizations can inform the communities.

And I can agree with the voice chat bit, I'm just not sure that people being jerks is due to misunderstanding or miscommunication in cases like the OP's. But yeah, there are bad eggs all over. Console, PC, ESO, irl. Just seems to be more in ESO now than historically. Could just be perception though.

So, sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist, or say one platform is better than another. Not my intention at all.

You know that’s being elitist right?

klowdy1

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

I see mostly people being helpful, except in vet dungeons.

This right here. People get help in OW and normal dungeons, but if you queue for a vet dungeon, you need to have a pretty good idea of what to do. Everyone should be able to have fun, even people that CAN do what is needed in vet dungeons. When someone joins a vet at CP15, spamming light attacks, that kills other people's fun time. There isn't enough advice to help that person get through a vet. I love to help people out, but I don't want to carry people with no clue, and no urge to get better.

Marginis

hamgatan wrote: »

WhiteScythe wrote: »

And not so damn elitist. There are plenty of new and returning players who are trying to get into the game so the bullying and put downs aren't helping the game's population. We need these people to hang around for the game's future. I'm getting sick of the constant crappy behaviour.

Rant over.

Unfortunately most of it is coming from a newer and younger player base that hasnt been around from the beginning but pretend they have (Pretty much post Morrowind crowd).

I've called a few people on it before. They rant on with the line 'I've played since beta'. But when I say 'oh cool, well how about you get your imagkin monkey pet out then just to verify that'.. The excuses flow.

Many of us 'originals' aren't even here anymore. God I myself would be lucky to play once a fortnight. Yesterday was the first time in 3 months I'd logged in and taken more than 30mins to play. Oh and I was told to learn the game mechanics too at one point.

I always get a chuckle from self-proclaimed elitists whose vocabulary consists of (sic) 'git gud' and L2P. The reality is I was playing MUDs/MOOs before half these Bellends were even born.

Elitists are in every MMO, you can't avoid them. They are the people who lack the ability to develop solid social constructs in real life and lack EQ to perceive inconsistencies and repercussions of their chosen forms of interaction with other humans.

Pre Tamriel Unlimited the game community was great but the game itself sucked. Now here we are several years later and the game is far better but the community took a dive. I suspect a lot of this has to do with the median age shifting on the player base as well.

You know sometimes I'm actually thankful for the Japanese expansion (despite the annoyance of their zergballing) - culturally they are lovely people and even though the English might be limited when running Pledges they at least know the basics and are courteous and polite enough to give it a crack with n00bs and not complain.

+1

I was a beta player too and I'll echo that sentiment. And I'll even show you my s*** throwing imgakin monkey pet lol.