Was it OK for ZoS to remove abilities purchased with collector's editions?

AlienatedGoat

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

smacky wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

As an owner of both CE's, I wasn't happy with the change - especially that I still have to pay gold to dye the items.

Let's be real though: At least we got something.

You don't have to pay gold to dye the items if you do not dye them as part of an outfit.
They really need to clarify this, as I have seen so many complaints about the same thin in game.

You do have to for outfits, which is lame.

Sixty5

The free access to use of those motifs in the outfit system is actually worth more than what you'd pay for the style materials anyway.

Turelus

Sixty5 wrote: »

The free access to use of those motifs in the outfit system is actually worth more than what you'd pay for the style materials anyway.

Yeah I have to say this is really a better system and makes the CE feel more valuable now.

Sure changing an old system sucks for the few who found use in it, but most people ignored it and wrote it off as a useless feature due to how it worked.

Linaleah

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

Brrrofski wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

So... you lose a exploity way to get style mats, which was not the intent of the feature.

And you gain the flexibility of being able to finally use the feature with any item (not just items whose style was unlocked) and mixing weights. I.e., the intended use of the feature actually works now.

I don't see the problem here.

The problem here is that EVERYONE has the abilities you are describing. All they have to do is spend 50k gold to buy the motif.

We PAID MONEY for what we had, and therefore we have been ripped off. THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

The converter only let's you convert crafted armor pretty much. Anyone could buy a motif and just craft the armor in the style.

It's no different now.

yes it is. becasue now i have to pay to dye it. before i could convert actual pieces of armor and weapons and then dye them directly. that function was and still is free. with new change, I can only change the appearance to those styles in outfit window. and guess what? have to pay gold to dye them. and if I dye armor? that does - does NOT apply to outfit. and if I don't show outfit? i don't get to see the style from a converter.

does this make it clearer now?

MehrunesFlagon

it's been nerfed.they do this all the time.I payed for the game and they nerf me every patch.

Robo_Hobo

It never actually worked for me before anyway, so now I finally get to use it with the outfit system.

knaveofengland

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

we paid for something special now now so special

klowdy1

Incomplete poll, no option for yes.

iiYuki

its still free to convert at the costume station.

VaranisArano

It's my circus...but I'm not sure it bothers me.

Because the converters were useless to me.

The converters were used for crafted gear, non-set gear that's vendor junk on most characters, and rare set pieces without a set motif like Armor of the Trainee. In short, I used the two converters not at all on my end-game characters.
Nor was I in the habit of deconning Morag Tong stuff to get the mat to sell.

If all you wanted was to use the converters to have the appearance of the gear, the new system does that far better than the old one...except that we have to pay 50 gold a dye slot to dye it.

If you wanted to convert items to a style and decon for the style mat, or to continue converting highly limited items to that appearance so you could equip them, yeah, you lost some functionality.

I'm more in the first boat than the second. The current system is far better appearance wise and doesn't have limitations that make it practically useless. I'd like the dyeing of those pieces to be made free to match what we should have been able to do with the equipped pieces, but I won't be too bothered if ZOS doesn't.

Elsonso

I am on the fence here.

On one hand, the Imperial and Morag Tong "transmogrify" was so off the beaten path that half the time I forgot about it. I did use the Imperial one, on more than one occasion, but it was never a thing that I paid much attention to.

On the other hand, the Outfit system is so limited in scope that I am not sure that I really want to waste my one and only Outfit Slot on this feature.

I do appreciate that the two are free in the Outfit System, though. I don't appreciate that I now have to pay to dye them.

Zipadeedoodah

Not my circus; not my monkeys...

Yes, I'm ok with it because all of those styles I could convert for free before, are now available at the outfiting station for FREE conversion as well. It's actually a better system, because now I can preview the look of those free sets before applying them to my character.

I'm quite happy with the changes! They haven't "taken" anything away from the player, just placed the functionality in a different spot (and a better one, imo).

P.S. The poll is skewed, no option for "yes".

Coatmagic

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

I did not pay hard cash for this new system and I want BACK what I DID PAY for.

Why is this concept so hard for people to understand?

There was NO REASON for ZoS to remove the existing system available to those of us that purchased the CE's!

As for the outfit system, happy for those it helps, but I am not one of them...

I am someone who has LOST an ability THAT I PAID for, and apparently one of the few who actually cares that this ZoS blatantly removed an ability from a colletor's edition. THIS IS WRONG.

PS: I realize there is a typo in the initial poll, but since no one else seems to have noticed, am just going to leave it.

Xoelarasizerer

Never cared about the Imperial or Morag Tong styles too much to begin with (as someone that could convert both.)

Can't Nickles (Imperial craft style item) be purchased from Blacksmiths for 15g each? As for Morag Tong... erm.... it might be loot in Morrowind? I'unno... I'm sorry for your loss, OP.

opaj

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

@code65536 @Turelus

The old converter wasn't terribly useful, but the loss of it does actually hurt me a little, so I thought I'd explain my perspective on it.

First off, I'd like to acknowledge that I am an edge case here. Most people won't be as affected by this in the same way I am, and for that reason I have no expectation of the developer to revert this change.

On my main character, I've been lugging around various crafted gear in order to change her fashion on a day-to-day basis. My intent was to replace this gear with the outfit system, but I encountered two roadblocks:

1. The outfit system has a max of 10 slots per character, which would mean more than halving my selection of looks.
2. New slots cost about 500 crowns more than I am willing to spend. If I buy them at this price, it will cut into my ability to buy other things that I do want, and I honestly feel like the value isn't there at this price point.

For this reason, instead of fully engaging with the outfit system, I've simply used it to replace my monster set with something color neutral, and am back to using gear to set my fashion. In fact, I'm doubling down on gear, and have more than doubled the amount of costume pieces I'm lugging around with me.

Luckily, I already have what I want in Imperial and Morag Tong, but if the next chapter's special edition comes with a converter, that won't be so enticing. After all, if I decide I want to change into some fancy Summerset robe, it'll require me to go out of my way to find an outfit station, change my chest (shoes, gloves, etc) for free, and pay a nominal fee to dye it. Any other wardrobe change, I can do on the spot--no outfit station needed. When I log in the next day, I'll have to find an outfit station again to remove the robe from my outfit and switch to whatever I feel like wearing that day.

Now that I've typed it out, it seems like a trifling thing. But I guarantee you that I won't use any future converters if this is the rigamarole I have to go through every time I want to change my shirt.

sparhawk29

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

now they're charging you to change your outfits?? you can tell i haven't been in there a while, and i won't be. they literally need to scrap this game and do a full reset. as well as keep original promises they broke. charging people for dlc they said was gonna be free, was the biggest rort, and everyone fell for it. they don't get any money out of me now cus they've screwed the game that much.

bloodthirstyvampire

Not my circus; not my monkeys...

By the way I picked the second option cos its funny, that is all

VaranisArano

sparhawk29 wrote: »

now they're charging you to change your outfits?? you can tell i haven't been in there a while, and i won't be. they literally need to scrap this game and do a full reset. as well as keep original promises they broke. charging people for dlc they said was gonna be free, was the biggest rort, and everyone fell for it. they don't get any money out of me now cus they've screwed the game that much.

They aren't charging you to change your equipped gear or your costume. That's free, like always. Edited to add: Make sure you are in the "No Outfit" selection when dyeing your equipped gear. If you are on an outfit, it will look like you are being charged gold.

The new update brought in the entirely new Outfit System, which allows you to create an outfit sort of like create-your-own-costume. You do have to pay gold to change the motifs and dyes or use a crown store token.

Except for the converter for Morag Tong and Imperial not working exactly the same way anymore and no longer allowing you to convert gear, there was no other lost functionality. The Outfit System is new, everything else you could do beforehand you can still do for free.

ak_pvp

I agree. Its nice to have in the outfit system, but with limited slots some still rely on changing crafted gear so it saves some money so you don't have to change your outfit.

jaye63

I would like to see the text that says it's gone.

VaranisArano

jaye63 wrote: »

I would like to see the text that says it's gone.

Acrolas posted the image earlier in this thread, but I'll copy it below. You'll see this if you use the "Convert to _____Style" option on gear.

Acrolas wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

Not my circus; not my monkeys...

Its free to change to imperial or morag tong if you have that ability. they did not take it away they just merged it with the outfit system.

Ultravylence

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

The change ZOS made to the Morag Tong and Imperial converters murder the base functionality of the product customers where sold. The functions of the Outfit System are NOT the same as converting gear worn with no Outfit at all. The item itself in the Inventory menu is not converted and continues to display a style other than the one your Outfit shows (icon, text). The item is NOT being converted, rather covered up.

As well, as an owner of both collectors editions, I am now unable to use both converters on the same character. If I make an Outfit as Morag Tong (for free) then I change to a 2nd set of gear which I would like to have converted to Imperial, I am unable to use both without creating an new Outfit back in town; to make my gear change visible in game. This severely changes and limits the functionality of the converters purchased. Setting a style for specific gear sets is no longer an option in this feature customers paid real currency for.

The functionality of the converters needs to be changed back promptly by ZOS if they are to have any future credibility with their customers. Least ZOS could have done is provided a FREE Outfit slot for each converter owned to restore some of the functionality we where sold.

PSA: Do not buy either collectors edition going forward; just use in game motifs.

geonsocal

Not my circus; not my monkeys...

VaranisArano

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Its free to change to imperial or morag tong if you have that ability. they did not take it away they just merged it with the outfit system.

To clarify, its free to use the Imperial or Morag Tong styles in the Outfit system. You can no longer convert certain types of equipped gear to those styles. Whereas before we could convert equipped gear and dye it freely, now we can only use the appearance in the outfit system and are charged to dye the items. You can only make equipped gear if you had the motifs to craft gear in those styles.

They took away the conversion of gear and instead gave it to us as a free appearance that we are charged to dye.

KrishakPanettier

Not my circus; not my monkeys...

More and more people are complaining about nothing.

I quit using Imperial and Morag conversion because it was so limited what it did. Merging with the new Outfit stations was a good move, even though it is different in function (it doesn't physically convert any 1 piece but mask anything you wear to appear as one of those styles), it is now more functional than before -- and still FREE.

KrishakPanettier

Not my circus; not my monkeys...

And for goodness sake, create a Poll that actually polls peoples opinions rather than box us in to your opinion, which many do not agree.

Acrolas

VaranisArano wrote: »

Whereas before we could convert equipped gear and dye it freely, now we can only use the appearance in the outfit system and are charged to dye the items.

Those are two separate things.
The Imperial converter was a launch edition bonus in the Imperial Edition (April 2014)
Armor dyes were not introduced into the game until v1.3.3 (Update 3, August 2014).

Dyes are not a core feature of the style converter.

Ultravylence

No, this is no OK, I paid for this ability and want it restored!

KrishakPanettier wrote: »

More and more people are complaining about nothing.

Merging with the new Outfit stations was a good move, even though it is different in function (it doesn't physically convert any 1 piece but mask anything you wear to appear as one of those styles), it is now more functional than before -- and still FREE.

For this to be adequate and true they would need to provide an additional Account Wide Outfit slot for each CE Converter owned. This would be the proper fix for the issue.

Milvan