The Brass Soldier - WARNING You may become "Nervous"!

casparian

Here are my stats with the build on my pretty boy Redguard and with Undaunted Mettle (I'm in 5 medium 2 heavy). That's in Cyrodiil buffed with Major Brutality, Savagery, and Endurance (from a potion), Resolve, and Ward. I'm wearing Selene and running Dubious Throne. All weapon damage glyphs and purple jewelry; nirn axe, sharp dagger. As Waffenacht has pointed out, the weapon damage in a fight is more like 4.3k. I only have 660 CP, so I can squeeze a little more out of the build once I get the remaining 30 (in particular, more crit resist).

It definitely took a while to get used to the difference between this build and the significantly higher-damage Ravager + Pirate / Ravager + Auto builds I'm used to. For some applications, I still like those builds better. But there's a lot to be said for a stamplar that has more defense built into his toolkit. The two best options for that, as far as I can tell, are Coward's and Fortified Brass. Coward's works very well as a backbar set on a 2H/SnB setup, but I like DW bleedplar too much for that. Trying out this build has been a lot of fun.

(Off topic: the lighting in that screenshot is not what my game looks like. Not sure why it turned out that way, or why it made my dyes look so mismatched.)

NoFlash

Very nice. Brass in light with a recovery set is amazing for pvp healers as well. Looking forward to trying this if I respec to stamplar!

Brutusmax1mus

Lol that title change is op

KingJ

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lol that title change is op

You beat to me.

MurderMostFoul

Lexxypwns wrote: »

brass gives 12.25% damage reduction against everything.

Wow.

Is it really that much? I was wondering how brass performs versus:

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shield+of+the+Valiant+Set

But based on your number, it looks like brass is the clear winner.

Waffennacht

Just wanted to let people know I added CPs and a little picture of potions and poisons

Thogard

Btw where are we getting these mitigation numbers?

Blade cloak does 25% damage mitigation on AoE, not 13%.

Are we saying that it’s marginal benefit is 13% because it’s multiplicative? Whereas the additional resists are additive? (IE if there’s already 50% mitigation through resists, blade cloak would then mitigate another 12.5%..

Blade cloak being 1* (1-50%) * (1-25%)

vs brass which is
1 * (1-50% -12%)

Is that correct?

KingJ

Only thing I dislike about this build is the low max magic and magic recovery but Argonian helps with that.I dont like this build on other racist so far.

Waffennacht

Thogard wrote: »

Btw where are we getting these mitigation numbers?

Blade cloak does 25% damage mitigation on AoE, not 13%.

Are we saying that it’s marginal benefit is 13% because it’s multiplicative? Whereas the additional resists are additive? (IE if there’s already 50% mitigation through resists, blade cloak would then mitigate another 12.5%..

Blade cloak being 1* (1-50%) * (1-25%)

vs brass which is
1 * (1-50% -12%)

Is that correct?

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of it correctly.

KingJ wrote: »

Only thing I dislike about this build is the low max magic and magic recovery but Argonian helps with that.I dont like this build on other racist so far.

I'm gonna try some ideas, move things around, see how it all turns out

Lexxypwns

BaByDontHurtMe wrote: »

You guys have sparked my curiosity in Brass, I’m just curious if people find the max resistances a better alternative this patch compared to crit resistance in Impregnable Armor this patch ?

At 50% crit chance and 70% CHD(then your crits are increasing your damage by 35%. Let's look at a 10k base hit in pvp, a crit will do 17k, this also pushes your average attack to 13.5k. Impreg offers 36.7% crit resistance. That reduces the crit damage to 12,840 and the average attack damage to 11,420. That's a 24.5% reduction in spike damage but only a 15.5% reduction in overall damage taken. With a CHD of 1.6 you take 12,330 damage on a crit, or a reduction of 23% and 11,165 average for 17.3% reduction. Impreg is going to give you variable results, if someone hits you with their combo and none of it crits though then your entire 5pc set was wasted.

Brass adds 12.3% damage mitigation at all times regardless of circumstance, giving you consistent performance regardless of opponent or RNG luck.

Thogard

Lexxypwns wrote: »

BaByDontHurtMe wrote: »

You guys have sparked my curiosity in Brass, I’m just curious if people find the max resistances a better alternative this patch compared to crit resistance in Impregnable Armor this patch ?

At 50% crit chance and 70% CHD(then your crits are increasing your damage by 35%. Let's look at a 10k base hit in pvp, a crit will do 17k, this also pushes your average attack to 13.5k. Impreg offers 36.7% crit resistance. That reduces the crit damage to 12,840 and the average attack damage to 11,420. That's a 24.5% reduction in spike damage but only a 15.5% reduction in overall damage taken. With a CHD of 1.6 you take 12,330 damage on a crit, or a reduction of 23% and 11,165 average for 17.3% reduction. Impreg is going to give you variable results, if someone hits you with their combo and none of it crits though then your entire 5pc set was wasted.

Brass adds 12.3% damage mitigation at all times regardless of circumstance, giving you consistent performance regardless of opponent or RNG luck.

To add on to this...

Impreg isn’t a set I would “back bar” only... it’s there to prevent those bursty combos with criticism that drop you faster than you can react. Most of the time, those unexpected combos happen on your more vulnerable bar...

But impreg is pretty amazing because it allows you to run sturdy or well fitted or nirnhoned instead of impen on your armor traits.

I’m actually really curious about that... if we went full nirnhoned on all the armor traits, how much resist would that give?

Mazbt

My favourite pvp class. Really nice build

Wreuntzylla

Health can be entirely irrelevant.

I run a cancer build now and then that can hit for as high as 20k on a PvP player, the only toon I have ever truely one shot people with. I have run into players with 20k health that were afk and still took enough rotations to have killed 3-4 50k health players. One was wearing chudan/pirate, pariah and ravager. Pariah is awesome but unfortunately scales best into execute range.

BaByDontHurtMe

Thanks guys for clearing it up between impregnable and brass, insightful for you guys.

Waffennacht

I can't help it, I have a magicka idea I wanna try

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

Just wanted to let people know I added CPs and a little picture of potions and poisons

Holy healing boosts, Batman lol.

With speed pots, maybe swap enough points to get windrunner passive then swap some points from blessed to get more DMG stats while using restoring focus over channeled focus.

MurderMostFoul

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm gonna post CP soon, and I'm gonna guess it's not optimal lol but I'll work on that.

@casparian I'm gonna keep you in mind when I check out my CPs

7th Legion/ Ravager, both are great sets. And I tried running both, (not at the same time... That's my stamden...) Just mathmatically on a medium build Automaton our performs them in terms of offense (health trait on jewelry)

So for a jewelry set, Senche's bite and Automation add a ton of offense and don't need to be on both bars (neither does 7th or Ravager necessarily)

I really like the medium Passives, and when I compared the Stats of 7th + Ravager against Automaton + Brass, the stats are darn near identical - difference is armor Passives. (Fully buffed)

I could easily go with dubious for more health, it's just not necessary

I'll be posting the duel video today, almost entirely against leaderboard leaders.

@Waffennacht

I'm thinking of giving brass a whirl, but I don't have Automaton. Any thoughts on how Brass+Spriggans would perform?

Waffennacht

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Lexxypwns

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.(these numbers are unbuffed, automaton gets the benefit of brutality, but there's nothing modifying that 1 line of crit it provides whereas spriggans gets no benefits from brutality but allows you to change your CP allocation to get some nice passives)

Minno

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.

I assume it adds healing because you can put points into blessed instead of penetration?

Waffennacht

I'm editing up a BG video, it's a real hoot!

Because I'm broke af I'm just daydreaming of a magicka version (why? Because I can)

Here's my initial thought process:

why brass over, say, a max mag set to buff shields? - if I can get a light build to cut ties with the max mag stat for survivability I can build more similarly to a medium build i.e. focus on spell damage

Heals are accessible and plentiful for mag

Nice damage abilities as well

Cost of abilities lurks in my mind of something to be addressed

Execute, heal during damage, one of the best spot heals.

No snare immunity without mist form/potion (concern)

I already have set ideas in mind, I would love to push the 4k spell damage mark.

I'm thinking mist form maybe a must...

Anyway new video coming soon!

@Lexxypwns ty for another informative post!

Lexxypwns

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.

I assume it adds healing because you can put points into blessed instead of penetration?

the 2-4 pieces are max stam x2 and weapon damage x1 as opposed to 1x crit 1x stam 1x damage. This results in superior healing and damage from the 2-4 for spriggans. Neither 5pc is boosting your healing and spriggans 5pc is also useless against shields to boot. There's a another small edge in that PotL scales from max stam and spriggans has more max stam added to the kit. However, automaton gets boosted by brutality where spriggans doesn't.

I think it's a hard choice, between the two, but I personally would run automaton since it is much more versatile and fits the whole stamplar kit.

@Waffennacht did you test Hulking? It adds ~100 less effective weapon damage but will improve your sustain, healing, and PotL numbers. I think you're right on the edge for damage needs though and it may push you too low, unless the extra max pool affords you the sustain to squeeze in a damage glyph on jewelry.

Waffennacht

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.

I assume it adds healing because you can put points into blessed instead of penetration?

the 2-4 pieces are max stam x2 and weapon damage x1 as opposed to 1x crit 1x stam 1x damage. This results in superior healing and damage from the 2-4 for spriggans. Neither 5pc is boosting your healing and spriggans 5pc is also useless against shields to boot. There's a another small edge in that PotL scales from max stam and spriggans has more max stam added to the kit. However, automaton gets boosted by brutality where spriggans doesn't.

I think it's a hard choice, between the two, but I personally would run automaton since it is much more versatile and fits the whole stamplar kit.

@Waffennacht did you test Hulking? It adds ~100 less effective weapon damage but will improve your sustain, healing, and PotL numbers. I think you're right on the edge for damage needs though and it may push you too low.

I don't have the full set (I haven't looked lol) big thing was I would have to (or like to) have hulking on both bars meaning it would replace Brass, which I didn't wanna do

Lexxypwns

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.

I assume it adds healing because you can put points into blessed instead of penetration?

the 2-4 pieces are max stam x2 and weapon damage x1 as opposed to 1x crit 1x stam 1x damage. This results in superior healing and damage from the 2-4 for spriggans. Neither 5pc is boosting your healing and spriggans 5pc is also useless against shields to boot. There's a another small edge in that PotL scales from max stam and spriggans has more max stam added to the kit. However, automaton gets boosted by brutality where spriggans doesn't.

I think it's a hard choice, between the two, but I personally would run automaton since it is much more versatile and fits the whole stamplar kit.

@Waffennacht did you test Hulking? It adds ~100 less effective weapon damage but will improve your sustain, healing, and PotL numbers. I think you're right on the edge for damage needs though and it may push you too low.

I don't have the full set (I haven't looked lol) big thing was I would have to (or like to) have hulking on both bars meaning it would replace Brass, which I didn't wanna do

ah, yeah, of course, I totally missed that

Brutusmax1mus

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm editing up a BG video, it's a real hoot!

Because I'm broke af I'm just daydreaming of a magicka version (why? Because I can)

Here's my initial thought process:

why brass over, say, a max mag set to buff shields? - if I can get a light build to cut ties with the max mag stat for survivability I can build more similarly to a medium build i.e. focus on spell damage

Heals are accessible and plentiful for mag

Nice damage abilities as well

Cost of abilities lurks in my mind of something to be addressed

Execute, heal during damage, one of the best spot heals.

No snare immunity without mist form/potion (concern)

I already have set ideas in mind, I would love to push the 4k spell damage mark.

I'm thinking mist form maybe a must...

Anyway new video coming soon!

@Lexxypwns ty for another informative post!

For a magicka version i was thinking of running with amber plasm and trying wm brew, apprentice/ mage and playing with jewelry for the right amount of sustain. Amber and a tripot is typically enough stam sustain for me. That won't be close to 4k spell damage though if you're wearing brass. But you also don't need 4k spell dmg in light magicka to be a killer.

MurderMostFoul

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.(these numbers are unbuffed, automaton gets the benefit of brutality, but there's nothing modifying that 1 line of crit it provides whereas spriggans gets no benefits from brutality but allows you to change your CP allocation to get some nice passives)

Awesome, thanks

BroanBeast1215

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.(these numbers are unbuffed, automaton gets the benefit of brutality, but there's nothing modifying that 1 line of crit it provides whereas spriggans gets no benefits from brutality but allows you to change your CP allocation to get some nice passives)

so rally is unaffected by automaton? I believe this to be true but I haven't confirmed it or researched enough

Waffennacht

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BroanBeast1215 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@MurderMostFoul If I had Spriggan's set it would have been tested just like Automaton, it looks like it should perform just as well. I see no reason it shouldn't do very well

Spriggans should add both more healing and damage than automaton with the caveat that it doesn't effect damage shields. It has superior 2-4 pieces(this is where the more healing comes from) has a 5pc that doesn't improve healing(same as automaton) and doesn't effect damage shield(the only drawback).

Automaton adds ~975 effective weapon power whereas Spriggans adds ~1085.(these numbers are unbuffed, automaton gets the benefit of brutality, but there's nothing modifying that 1 line of crit it provides whereas spriggans gets no benefits from brutality but allows you to change your CP allocation to get some nice passives)

so rally is unaffected by automaton? I believe this to be true but I haven't confirmed it or researched enough

I'm fairly confident that automaton does not affect Rally. Based on the wording, it shouldn't, but nothing surprises me any more.

Subversus

You actually made me think of a magblade duel build with this post. 5 brass 5 riposte 1 kena 1 master staff, 5 light 2 heavy. Gotta grind some gold and I'll test that right away lol. (there's a tournament coming that doesn't allow 2p monster sets, hence no skoria).

Edit: or maybe swap out 1 kena for 1 chudan, hmmmmmm

Adenoma

Automaton didn't affect rally when I tested it last patch. Convient how ZOS QC makes you check all these sets in the *hope* that they messed up.