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The exploit ban is too harsh.
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ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.7 -
Rawkan✭✭✭✭✭The people sympathizing with these cheaters makes me worry about how many more people are actively exploiting and twitching in their chairs.16 -
killimandrosb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ZOS can you please comment on how exploiting this glitch is different from exploiting all glitches in cyrodiil? I am glad you take action but I am also left confused as to why well known glitches and game breaking mods are left alone in the pvp section.2 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don’t see why they got banned. This game is the most casual game I’ve played. Who care about scores? 99% of the playerbase doesn’t. If this game was actually competitive and scoring was important then the ban would be understandable but it’s not.
nah,
bye bye groups of people gathering together to exploit a system to fleece the common man!
woot!
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Vizier✭✭✭✭✭
✭Once a tendency to glitch and exploit always a tendency to glitch and exploit. The only viable punishment other than a complete ban would be the deletion of all character and bank inventory and currency.
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Chronicburn✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”Edited by Chronicburn on November 12, 2017 1:48AM1 -
TheValar85✭✭✭✭✭Let me Remind all of you who think this is a hars move. The EULA And The Terms Of Usage clearly mention what will you reciev in this case, you all accepted the TERMS And the EULA.
Not knowing the rules or the laws dosent exempt from the facts you have break a rule or a law you will be punished by in this case the terms of usage as mentioned.
I would also like to clear up a fact that Zenimax Online Studios Terms and usage can be read anywhere including when you set up the game, so next time instead of brainlessly clicking on the next buttons you shal consider to read those terms.
So ZOS have and had and will have every right to prema bann everyone how is explioting. You accapted ZOS terms.
There is nothing you or anyone can do something about this.
If you dont like the terms what the pruduct owners made by legaly defend their products in terms, and rules, you should have not accepted then.
end of conversation end also should be end of the topic.
It is pointless to argue or even discuss this matter. Because ther is nothing to talk about. You can complain how hars and rude this move was it dosent mater, because ZOS have every right to step up against rule breaking, exploiters and so on.
As i said You all Who play with this game Accepted the Terms Of Usage and the EULA.
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ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.1 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.0 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Some of them have been here since day 1 and spent thousands of dollars on content for this game.
It doesn't matter if you've rented for decades. If your landlord feels you have violated the lease contract, they'll evict you. It's their right to enforce their contract.
That's the example you should be using, as nobody who was just banned owns a single thing on the account that was just taken away from them.
Always tread carefully on other people's property.
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ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.8 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.
It’s all pixels. Get a life. Bragging rights? Are you seven?
You make it sound like they killed someone... “omg they got a jewelry and bragging rights omg kill them” lol omfgEdited by Chronicburn on November 12, 2017 2:00AM3 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.
It’s all pixels. Get a life. Bragging rights? Are you seven?
Im the last person that cares about e-peen measurement. Others do, good for them. If its all pixels, why do you care about what happens to other people's accounts?11 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.
It’s all pixels. Get a life. Bragging rights? Are you seven?
Im the last person that cares about e-peen measurement. Others do, good for them. If its all pixels, why do you care about what happens to other people's accounts?
Because that’s their rl time and $$ they put into the game.
Plus if it happened to them it could happen to anyone ... wrong place wrong time. I guess maybe you are just the holy saint of eso though ... sorry1 -
Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭I think those that are saying the bans are too harsh are forgetting these people openly exploited other players of gold to get hard mode content done etc it is about time ZOS got heavy handed with these people, perhaps this will be the norn from now on.3 -
rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭It's their game they can do whatever they want. You are paying for the privilege of using their code to have fun. If you dont like they way they handle stuff stop playing.I play how I want to.3 -
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✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »All these threads about this popping up. How many players did this and were banned? How many possibly did it but no one knows they did? How did the community find out about this? Are these players on all three servers or specifically PC NA for example?
I couldn't answer half of those, but I'm pretty sure it was on PS4 NA only. As for how the community found out, probably the many folk claiming they knew one of the someones that were banned and came here to spread it.
It was someone who was banned, came on here to cry about it. The thread was deep sixed about 40 hours ago, but for a couple hours, there was a lively thread where they were insisting they'd done nothing wrong.
There’s also the fact that they literally told us.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380210/response-to-the-veteran-hard-mode-asylum-sanctorium-trial-exploit-nov-10/p1
I am surprised and impressed with the specificity, outright saying 34 accounts.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »Don’t see why they got banned. This game is the most casual game I’ve played. Who care about scores? 99% of the playerbase doesn’t. If this game was actually competitive and scoring was important then the ban would be understandable but it’s not.
It’s just part of ZOS’s ongoing war against players ... every time players find a way to get a leg up, ZOS cuts the leg off. If the core story of the game itself didn’t have such a following they would have scared off their last customer long ago.
lmao, stop acting like a victim, these people were exploiting and got justly banned
The tos says dont exploit ... that’s like a speed limit sign... everyone goes 5-10 over and if you get caught you get a ticket. They don’t take your car and shoot you on the spot.
Wow ... ZOS actually treats people worse than the government. Suck on that for a minute.
again, terrible example. its like everyone going 5-10 miles above the limit and the few speshul once going 50 above the limit. the ones going 50? get a ticket. EVEN IF ITS THEIR FIRST OFFENCE. this was an equivalent of going 50+ over the speed limit. on a stretch of the road where they KNOW there is a cop car trap.
Stop being so dramatic.
Most of them were along for the ride thinking they found some cool new way to beat a boss.
I already said I agree with Banning the ones who were advertising the glitch and charging people to come for the run.
But Dude who heard it could be done and tried it just to see for himself? Spent thousand bucks on the game with zero infractions? The death penalty?
Go check yourself before you wish that on others pal
A doctor that saves a million lives can still be charged with man slaughter for just one mistake, and it doesn't matter how good he was in the pastEdited by Waffennacht on November 12, 2017 2:09AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I can't believe so many people defend cheaters. Cheaters are a disease to competition. They have no place in any game -- or really, society.
Like a disease, if you don't nip it in the bud, it spreads. ZOS should have taken this stance from the start.11 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »Don’t see why they got banned. This game is the most casual game I’ve played. Who care about scores? 99% of the playerbase doesn’t. If this game was actually competitive and scoring was important then the ban would be understandable but it’s not.
It’s just part of ZOS’s ongoing war against players ... every time players find a way to get a leg up, ZOS cuts the leg off. If the core story of the game itself didn’t have such a following they would have scared off their last customer long ago.
lmao, stop acting like a victim, these people were exploiting and got justly banned
The tos says dont exploit ... that’s like a speed limit sign... everyone goes 5-10 over and if you get caught you get a ticket. They don’t take your car and shoot you on the spot.
Wow ... ZOS actually treats people worse than the government. Suck on that for a minute.
again, terrible example. its like everyone going 5-10 miles above the limit and the few speshul once going 50 above the limit. the ones going 50? get a ticket. EVEN IF ITS THEIR FIRST OFFENCE. this was an equivalent of going 50+ over the speed limit. on a stretch of the road where they KNOW there is a cop car trap.
Stop being so dramatic.
Most of them were along for the ride thinking they found some cool new way to beat a boss.
I already said I agree with Banning the ones who were advertising the glitch and charging people to come for the run.
But Dude who heard it could be done and tried it just to see for himself? Spent thousand bucks on the game with zero infractions? The death penalty?
Go check yourself before you wish that on others pal
A doctor that saves a million lives can still be charged with man slaughter for just one mistake, and it doesn't matter how good he was in the past
LOL FREAKING MANSLAUGHTER? You guys are really too much for me Lo fing L !!!
Some kids found a way around a *** boss that ZOS in fact made to be *** and YUP you are right ... just like manslaughter... Scotty beam me the F up, there really is no intelligent life down here L O L god save us0 -
TheValar85✭✭✭✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
No they are not absuing their power. they dont have to tell you what will you reciev if you break a rule. you accapted their terms.
Do not forget we are NOT owning our accunts nor even the game, we just rent them from the owner, who provide services and accepted teir terms of usage, so they dont even have to warn others to say hey i know you explioted you will reciev prema bann. because they can do that. and saing it hase been writen in the Terms it is not our fault you were lazy to ready the whole thing. And you know what they are Legaly, and complitly right to do so. even in Law terms. so stop playing to be a qq guy who is got punished by exploiting. those who got banned they all desrevd it.Edited by TheValar85 on November 12, 2017 2:21AMGM Of The Lusty Argonian ERPGM Of THe Alessia Dynasty PVP GuildGM Of The Guardians Of MiddleEarthMy Smiling Emperor Profile Picture: https://ibb.co/bsOM6n3 -
Rarok_Yariy✭✭✭Ban people for using bugged content, it is something like arrest people who use drugs, purchased from drug dealer. I think normal way is arrest that dealer, not buyers.0 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭TheValar85 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
No they are not absuing their power. they dont have to tell you what will you reciev if you break a rule. you accapted their terms.
Do not forget we are NOT owning our accunts nor even the game, we just rent them from the owner, who provide services and accepted teir terms of usage, so they dont even have to warn others to say hey i know you explioted you will reciev prema bann. because they can do that. and saing it hase been writen in the Terms it is not our fault you were lazy to ready the whole thing. And you know what they are Legaly, and complitly right to do so. even in Law terms.
However, we are still the customer.
We should expect to be treated with respect and tolerance as such.0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.
It’s all pixels. Get a life. Bragging rights? Are you seven?
Im the last person that cares about e-peen measurement. Others do, good for them. If its all pixels, why do you care about what happens to other people's accounts?
Because that’s their rl time and $$ they put into the game.
Plus if it happened to them it could happen to anyone ... wrong place wrong time. I guess maybe you are just the holy saint of eso though ... sorry
The players that got extra skill points in a public dungeon months ago COULD (probably werent) have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. If youre farming for gear you could easily accidentally exploit the skill points. In this case, everything was done intentionally, there was no accident. They positioned themselves in a certain area and killed the boss without being touched. And then sold exploited runs for gold. This was no accident. This couldnt happen to anyone. They were in the wrong place the whole time. Now ZOS just needs to keep taking out the trash in PvP and continue working on ensuring their code against hacks, over intrusive add ons, and preventative measures against botting.5 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Personally I have a very low opinion of people who would -intentionally- exploit a flaw in a game.
Almost as low as for people who would use any kind of programs to gain an advantage in a game where there are no ready-made flaws to abuse.
In that spirit... yeah, from all I read here about this case, they fu... uhm... very well deserved their bans.
Good riddance!
The -only- alternate punishment I could envision would be letting them restore their accounts by paying a hefty fine in -real money-. But it would have to be so much that they wince every time they ever even contemplate abusing some exploit. Say, about as much as getting your car back after it got towed because you parked your ass into some handicapped space or whatever... which pretty much is the kind of arsineness I rate using exploits at.2 -
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✭✭Exploiters/cheaters etc are the true cancer in any multiplayer game and should be eradicated wherever possible.
Heads on spikes I say.
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Chronicburn✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.
It’s all pixels. Get a life. Bragging rights? Are you seven?
Im the last person that cares about e-peen measurement. Others do, good for them. If its all pixels, why do you care about what happens to other people's accounts?
Because that’s their rl time and $$ they put into the game.
Plus if it happened to them it could happen to anyone ... wrong place wrong time. I guess maybe you are just the holy saint of eso though ... sorry
The players that got extra skill points in a public dungeon months ago COULD (probably werent) have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. If youre farming for gear you could easily accidentally exploit the skill points. In this case, everything was done intentionally, there was no accident. They positioned themselves in a certain area and killed the boss without being touched. And then sold exploited runs for gold. This was no accident. This couldnt happen to anyone. They were in the wrong place the whole time. Now ZOS just needs to keep taking out the trash in PvP and continue working on ensuring their code against hacks, over intrusive add ons, and preventative measures against botting.
Picking and choosing arbitrarily who you enforce the rules against and then giving the death penalty to just those few to scare people is the way dictatorships are run. Not a way to treat customers in America. ( the rest of the world I could give a F less)1 -
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✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »...I am posting on behalf of a friend who ran the trial cheesed it because they heard it could be done and weren’t trying to sell runs to people. He was just taking advantage of a situation zos left open. ...Shadowasrial wrote: »...This player has been a respectable player since day one and this punishment is too harsh and I’m standing up for a friend.
When you allude to your friend's respectability
do you consider his taking advantage of the exploit to be part of that
or the one singular tarnish on an otherwise assuredly clear record
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Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.
Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.
Thats a fact, and most of you know it.
Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.
Not here, not now, not then, not ever.
The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.
ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.
It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.
Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.
Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.
I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.
However like you said we can’t know, can we.
Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”
Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.
The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.
ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.
Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.
It’s all pixels. Get a life. Bragging rights? Are you seven?
Im the last person that cares about e-peen measurement. Others do, good for them. If its all pixels, why do you care about what happens to other people's accounts?
Because that’s their rl time and $$ they put into the game.
Plus if it happened to them it could happen to anyone ... wrong place wrong time. I guess maybe you are just the holy saint of eso though ... sorry
The players that got extra skill points in a public dungeon months ago COULD (probably werent) have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. If youre farming for gear you could easily accidentally exploit the skill points. In this case, everything was done intentionally, there was no accident. They positioned themselves in a certain area and killed the boss without being touched. And then sold exploited runs for gold. This was no accident. This couldnt happen to anyone. They were in the wrong place the whole time. Now ZOS just needs to keep taking out the trash in PvP and continue working on ensuring their code against hacks, over intrusive add ons, and preventative measures against botting.
Picking and choosing arbitrarily who you enforce the rules against and then giving the death penalty to just those few to scare people is the way dictatorships are run. Not a way to treat customers in America. ( the rest of the world I could give a F less)
Who says these werent customers on other countries? And I can assure you, anyone that is worth playing with, will take these bans as a sign ZOS might be getting their act together and properly actioning accounts now. These will not be seen as a negative to anyone that wants to promote longevity and a better experience in the game.2
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