Look at how many people hate the appearance of vampirism!!!

MLGProPlayer

Hurbster wrote: »

Erm, because you are still a walking corpse ?

But that's an RP argument. Not everyone cares about RP (I'd argue that the majority of players don't). This is why separating RP elements from gameplay elements is important.

And as has been pointed out several times in this thread, there are plethora examples of vampires hiding their cobdition in TES games.

Ozstryker

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Ozstryker wrote: »

Choose to be a vampire... you're choosing to embrace all the effects, the good the bad and the ugly!
Can't have any one without the others.. this is the only "fact" here.... the rest is 9 pages of opinion!



Just my 2 cents

All the best...

The current implementation of vampirism isn't logical.

ZOS is combining RP and gameplay elements when they should be kept separate. This is a genre where both gameplay stats and appearance are equally important, not separating appearance from stats in vampirism runs contrary to genre norms. It forces people to sacrifice appearance for being optimal in endgame content. No other MMO does this as they understand that character customisation is a core aspect of the genre (vampirism forces a specific appearance onto the player).

Combining RP and gameplay is entirely logical!... and absolutely necessary in a fantasy based MMORPG.
It is correct to say vampirism forces an appearance onto the player though, and..as well it should, the player made a choice to accept the curse.. therefore must accept all that comes with that choice, warts-an-all!
The fact that you believe you are sacrificing appearance is simply an opinion! Just as, in my opinion, the look is fitting and the stat advantage is theoretical!


Also, are there any other MMORPG's that include vampirism as an option post character creation?.... Is there actually a genre norm here?
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Aliyavana

Either way, if Zos releases a mortal skin I'll buy it and wear it and you all against it can watch

Feanor

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Erm, because you are still a walking corpse ?

But that's an RP argument. Not everyone cares about RP (I'd argue that the majority of players don't). This is why separating RP elements from gameplay elements is important.

And as has been pointed out several times in this thread, there are plethora examples of vampires hiding their cobdition in TES games.

People may care how their character looks like. They can choose not being a vampire if looks are more important than the 10% regen and Mist Form. It’s really that simple. If there were no drawbacks vampire would be default.

Aliyavana

Feanor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Erm, because you are still a walking corpse ?

But that's an RP argument. Not everyone cares about RP (I'd argue that the majority of players don't). This is why separating RP elements from gameplay elements is important.

And as has been pointed out several times in this thread, there are plethora examples of vampires hiding their cobdition in TES games.

People may care how their character looks like. They can choose not being a vampire if looks are more important than the 10% regen and Mist Form. It’s really that simple. If there were no drawbacks vampire would be default.

I mean evenin/maxers care about thier looks, it's why costumes and transmog will exist

Aliyavana

@ZOS_GinaBruno any plans on a mortal skin?

Feanor

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Erm, because you are still a walking corpse ?

But that's an RP argument. Not everyone cares about RP (I'd argue that the majority of players don't). This is why separating RP elements from gameplay elements is important.

And as has been pointed out several times in this thread, there are plethora examples of vampires hiding their cobdition in TES games.

People may care how their character looks like. They can choose not being a vampire if looks are more important than the 10% regen and Mist Form. It’s really that simple. If there were no drawbacks vampire would be default.

I mean evenin/maxers care about thier looks, it's why costumes and transmog will exist

It’s a deliberate choice you take. Pick the small stat boost or looks.

Aliyavana

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Erm, because you are still a walking corpse ?

But that's an RP argument. Not everyone cares about RP (I'd argue that the majority of players don't). This is why separating RP elements from gameplay elements is important.

And as has been pointed out several times in this thread, there are plethora examples of vampires hiding their cobdition in TES games.

People may care how their character looks like. They can choose not being a vampire if looks are more important than the 10% regen and Mist Form. It’s really that simple. If there were no drawbacks vampire would be default.

I mean evenin/maxers care about thier looks, it's why costumes and transmog will exist

It’s a deliberate choice you take. Pick the small stat boost or looks.

I mean I can take a monster set and look ugly, or I can wear crafted gear and suffer a small penalty and that is a small price I have to pay... oh yah transmog is coming out and I don't have to.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

How many of those 90% who voted yes were forced with a shotgun to turn into vampires? People are complaining about something they explicitly asked for. You look horrible yes! Live with it!

LadyAstrum

I like that my vampire has that pale, ethereal look. In fact, I made her for the look as well as the buffs. If I feel like hiding it, she wears a full-faced mask. I mean, it is a disease (if a rather good one).

LadyDestiny

How about a toggle on and off feature in the settings just like the helmet? Swtor lets you toggle your dark side corruption on or off. How difficult can it be? Zos......"Let's add a toggle in the crown store for 10k crowns." Lololol

anadandy

Alchemical wrote: »

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Sing it.

Bryong9ub17_ESO

It's a curse what do you expect? If you don't like the way you look then don't be a vampire it's that simple. Just be thankful that it's not like other Elder Scroll games. Your health could slowly deplete during daylight, Guardsman could attack you on sight, And townspeople could run in fear.

Stop your crying. You can't always get what you want.

Orjix

Man I hate the way my vamp looks. I have to wear a a full face helm at all times to hide my disgusting face, it would be great if they implemented a standard skin so vamps can look normal. And don't give me that BS "if youre a vampire you have to look like one because they are monsters" if that was the case wearing costumes should lower you armour. If your wearing are dress you should have no armor by that way of thinking. However if this was changed imagine how up in arms people would be.

jaws343

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

How many of those 90% who voted yes were forced with a shotgun to turn into vampires? People are complaining about something they explicitly asked for. You look horrible yes! Live with it!

On top of that, what benefit does being a vampire actually have outside of Cyrodil? Shields are going to be a better option to mitigate damage than Mist form in trials. The undead passive is useless in a trial or dungeon if you have competent healers. 10% extra regen is a joke. If you have 1000 regen, you get an extra 100, and if your regen is 2000 you have 200 more. Hurray, your extra regen is worthless.

But yeah, go ahead and take more fire damage and use your CP to negate the effect rather than using the CP to add to your damage mitigation.

Outside of Cyrodil, for specific skills, Vampire's aren't worth much.

Rouven

I find the discrepancy between what is said in these "vampire" threads and other "customization" threads hilarious.

Be it monster sets, how motifs are useless, or how new costumes don't dye right - to me it all falls under the same category.

What is the difference between you can't dye your costume properly vs you can't dye your skin ("tattoo") right? Ah, yes - you put on the costume so now suffer the consequences or take it off!

Verbal_Earthworm

I do not hate the appearance of vampires, i just hate the appearance of vampire threads

Trinity_Is_My_Name

I have 13 vampires and the way they appear bothers me not one bit.

MLGProPlayer

jaws343 wrote: »

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

How many of those 90% who voted yes were forced with a shotgun to turn into vampires? People are complaining about something they explicitly asked for. You look horrible yes! Live with it!

On top of that, what benefit does being a vampire actually have outside of Cyrodil? Shields are going to be a better option to mitigate damage than Mist form in trials. The undead passive is useless in a trial or dungeon if you have competent healers. 10% extra regen is a joke. If you have 1000 regen, you get an extra 100, and if your regen is 2000 you have 200 more. Hurray, your extra regen is worthless.

But yeah, go ahead and take more fire damage and use your CP to negate the effect rather than using the CP to add to your damage mitigation.

Outside of Cyrodil, for specific skills, Vampire's aren't worth much.

10% extra regen is a lot in the post-Morrowind era. And most people won't have 1000 regen because it means your DPS is too low.

MLGProPlayer

Rouven wrote: »

I find the discrepancy between what is said in these "vampire" threads and other "customization" threads hilarious.

Be it monster sets, how motifs are useless, or how new costumes don't dye right - to me it all falls under the same category.

What is the difference between you can't dye your costume properly vs you can't dye your skin ("tattoo") right? Ah, yes - you put on the costume so now suffer the consequences or take it off!

But aesthetics are literally 50% of the reason for playing an MMO. You can create a custom character for other people to see. That's the appeal of playing a social game.

Ackwalan

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

I have 13 vampires and the way they appear bothers me not one bit.

What about the 14th one. I notice you don't mention that one.

Korah_Eaglecry

Ackwalan wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

I have 13 vampires and the way they appear bothers me not one bit.

What about the 14th one. I notice you don't mention that one.

Thats the black sheep....err I mean werewolf in sheeps clothing.

Zorvan

Vampires have fangs, there are no player vampires in ESO.

Rouven

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

I find the discrepancy between what is said in these "vampire" threads and other "customization" threads hilarious.

Be it monster sets, how motifs are useless, or how new costumes don't dye right - to me it all falls under the same category.

What is the difference between you can't dye your costume properly vs you can't dye your skin ("tattoo") right? Ah, yes - you put on the costume so now suffer the consequences or take it off!

But aesthetics are literally 50% of the reason for playing an MMO. You can create a custom character for other people to see. That's the appeal of playing a social game.

Exactly. People moan about the other points (monster sets, motifs, lack of dye channels) yet when it comes to vampirism all over sudden you are supposed to "suffer the consequences" or something along those lines. It's just weird.

I don't mind a lot of things about it btw - but for example you can't really see my blood tears because they are white-washed and again you can't see tattoos.

Most likely however it will be a underlying technical issue and they can't resolve those things without getting rid of our bleached skin and veins all together. It still is disappointing.

Lunaryx

Two words for this whole argument that I have been reading for the past couple weeks that would be able to hide vampirism without affecting the PVP part of the appearance: Kollopi Essence.

This item doesn't work in PVP zones, meaning if they copied it's rules onto another item that hid vampirism, it would stop working in Cyrodiil, and nobody would be able to complain about it. It would allow both sides of the argument to move on to more important problems with the game. Granted the vampire appearance isn't the greatest in this game, so I just use skins to hide currently, which do make my character look differently than intended to begin with, same with the vampire part.

TheValar85

i agree i dont like the look at the vamp form i would rather stay a sexy person outside then a dead body XD

riVALry9

Can a vampire wear “makeup”?

Yes or no.

Malnutrition

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

So what you are saying is that we should look stupidly ugly because we have to wear vampire for the insane bonuses you get from it. It's not even a choice.

Of course it is a choice.

Choose the bonuses then choose to look ugly.

No one is forcing you to be a vampire.

You just want to pretend you are "forced" to be vampire so you can get all entitled and whine about being ugly.

Don't want to be ugly?
Don't CHOOSE to be a Vampire.

That is what I did, and you'll not hear me complain about missing out on those bonuses - because it WAS MY CHOICE.

Just like it WAS YOUR CHOICE to be ugly to get those bonuses.

Stop whining and man up.

All The Best

This right here.

MLGProPlayer

Lunaryx wrote: »

Two words for this whole argument that I have been reading for the past couple weeks that would be able to hide vampirism without affecting the PVP part of the appearance: Kollopi Essence.

This item doesn't work in PVP zones, meaning if they copied it's rules onto another item that hid vampirism, it would stop working in Cyrodiil, and nobody would be able to complain about it. It would allow both sides of the argument to move on to more important problems with the game. Granted the vampire appearance isn't the greatest in this game, so I just use skins to hide currently, which do make my character look differently than intended to begin with, same with the vampire part.

The thing is, if you want to hide vampirism in PvP, you already can (just put on full-body armour, a skin, or a polymorph). You can also see the vampirism buff icon when you target them.

I don't have any issue with a "vampire disguise" item not working in PvP. Just pointing out that it's not as big of an issue as some people make it.

Jeremy

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I... rather like the look of my Vampire characters?

Is that still allowed?

I like the way my vampire looks too. But if it will stop them from writing all these nerf vampire threads (as being a Vampire is barely worth it as it is) I say let them hide the appearance if they want. It doesn't negatively affect other players in any real way that I can tell and makes the game more enjoyable for them in the process. So it's one of those rare win/win situations.