Monthly Combat Update – November

Sandman929

We were on a hot streak with some improved communication about what the combat team was working on. Well, not really a streak, but we got one months worth of installments. Any news about turning this into a 2 month streak with a December update @ZOS_GinaBruno ? We're already mid-month now.

ccfeeling

Bi month combat update .

Emma_Overload

Vesper_BR wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

All of these tears shed regarding Perma block builds yet Sorc shields remain untouched. No class couples damage mitigation and burst potential with zero drawbacks like a Sorc.

But hey, let's adjust block cost again and not touch Sorcs. A block build has to be Taylor made to be effective with drawbacks while a Sorc just stacks magicka and Presto!! Huge shields and high burst and escape ability.

As im trying to reason in other post.
Make them critable, make them be reduced with defile.... As any other class has its survivability reduced by defile, since only sorcs have the most of its damage going to shield, they should be weakned like any other class when affected by defile.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel

NOPE. Defile should never supply to shields. Sorcs still need to heal frequently, so why should enemies get to defile them with two debuffs for the price of one? Secondly, none of the buffs that counter Defile (like Vitality and Mending) apply to shields at all, and even if they did, Sorcs don't have direct access to those buffs via class skills.

Savos_Saren

So, WTF is supposed to be the role of an mDK now? They designed us to be tanky- so they left off mobility AND an execute. They nerfed our "stand-your-ground" abilities (like mending from Obsidian Shield and destroyed our wings). Now they want to nerf blocking.

Are we supposed to be DP

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

All of these tears shed regarding Perma block builds yet Sorc shields remain untouched. No class couples damage mitigation and burst potential with zero drawbacks like a Sorc.

But hey, let's adjust block cost again and not touch Sorcs. A block build has to be Taylor made to be effective with drawbacks while a Sorc just stacks magicka and Presto!! Huge shields and high burst and escape ability.

As im trying to reason in other post.
Make them critable, make them be reduced with defile.... As any other class has its survivability reduced by defile, since only sorcs have the most of its damage going to shield, they should be weakned like any other class when affected by defile.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel

NOPE. Defile should never supply to shields. Sorcs still need to heal frequently, so why should enemies get to defile them with two debuffs for the price of one? Secondly, none of the buffs that counter Defile (like Vitality and Mending) apply to shields at all, and even if they did, Sorcs don't have direct access to those buffs via class skills.

That's classic. A Sorc complaining about a 2-for-1 deal. Like they don't have two executes for the price of one.

How about this? If ZoS is going to nerf blocking (which is imperative for mDKs) why don't they nerf magicka regen while you have shields up?

Brutusmax1mus

They already gave up on communicating.. go figure!

Minno

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

They already gave up on communicating.. go figure!

End of the year grind. Those that work the professional office life, already know that the 2 weeks before the holidays are hectic with deadlines, industry reps taking you out to expensive dinners, after work drinks, and holiday shopping.

Just last week someone took my office out for tapas and wine; we didn't get any work done that Monday lol.

Brutusmax1mus

Minno wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

They already gave up on communicating.. go figure!

End of the year grind. Those that work the professional office life, already know that the 2 weeks before the holidays are hectic with deadlines, industry reps taking you out to expensive dinners, after work drinks, and holiday shopping.

Just last week someone took my office out for tapas and wine; we didn't get any work done that Monday lol.

Sorry, @Minno but that's no excuse. When i tell my patrons that I'm going to do something, I do it.

After all, how difficult would it be to comment on thier finding to any degree? I mean, handfuls of people on the community run extensive tests and create data, and they do it for free. ZOS literally just needs to type. I type 90 wpm, ill do or for free!!

Machgun94

jaburns wrote: »

So, WTF is supposed to be the role of an mDK now? They designed us to be tanky- so they left off mobility AND an execute. They nerfed our "stand-your-ground" abilities (like mending from Obsidian Shield and destroyed our wings). Now they want to nerf blocking.

Are we supposed to be DP

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

All of these tears shed regarding Perma block builds yet Sorc shields remain untouched. No class couples damage mitigation and burst potential with zero drawbacks like a Sorc.

But hey, let's adjust block cost again and not touch Sorcs. A block build has to be Taylor made to be effective with drawbacks while a Sorc just stacks magicka and Presto!! Huge shields and high burst and escape ability.

As im trying to reason in other post.
Make them critable, make them be reduced with defile.... As any other class has its survivability reduced by defile, since only sorcs have the most of its damage going to shield, they should be weakned like any other class when affected by defile.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel

NOPE. Defile should never supply to shields. Sorcs still need to heal frequently, so why should enemies get to defile them with two debuffs for the price of one? Secondly, none of the buffs that counter Defile (like Vitality and Mending) apply to shields at all, and even if they did, Sorcs don't have direct access to those buffs via class skills.

That's classic. A Sorc complaining about a 2-for-1 deal. Like they don't have two executes for the price of one.

How about this? If ZoS is going to nerf blocking (which is imperative for mDKs) why don't they nerf magicka regen while you have shields up?

Calm down, they obviously said they wouldn't release class changes notes yet; so you can assume they've considered that and may even revamp the class.

ak_pvp

Machgun94 wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

So, WTF is supposed to be the role of an mDK now? They designed us to be tanky- so they left off mobility AND an execute. They nerfed our "stand-your-ground" abilities (like mending from Obsidian Shield and destroyed our wings). Now they want to nerf blocking.

Are we supposed to be DP

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

All of these tears shed regarding Perma block builds yet Sorc shields remain untouched. No class couples damage mitigation and burst potential with zero drawbacks like a Sorc.

But hey, let's adjust block cost again and not touch Sorcs. A block build has to be Taylor made to be effective with drawbacks while a Sorc just stacks magicka and Presto!! Huge shields and high burst and escape ability.

As im trying to reason in other post.
Make them critable, make them be reduced with defile.... As any other class has its survivability reduced by defile, since only sorcs have the most of its damage going to shield, they should be weakned like any other class when affected by defile.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel

NOPE. Defile should never supply to shields. Sorcs still need to heal frequently, so why should enemies get to defile them with two debuffs for the price of one? Secondly, none of the buffs that counter Defile (like Vitality and Mending) apply to shields at all, and even if they did, Sorcs don't have direct access to those buffs via class skills.

That's classic. A Sorc complaining about a 2-for-1 deal. Like they don't have two executes for the price of one.

How about this? If ZoS is going to nerf blocking (which is imperative for mDKs) why don't they nerf magicka regen while you have shields up?

Calm down, they obviously said they wouldn't release class changes notes yet; so you can assume they've considered that and may even revamp the class.

Kek, we asked for a buff to stonefist, and they nerfed foss instead. Don't be surprised if it gets nerfed without any buff.

@jaburns Shields are cheese, but the defile needs to be a separate debuff to normal defile so sorcs aren't instarip when defiled. And when shields are nerfed (if) then speed and damage needs to be buffed.

Savos_Saren

@ak_pvp

That's understandable. Defile is very strong. That's another thing: How can a class have spammable aoe major defile? mDKs have it as an ULTIMATE (as do NBs) and everyone gets it for snipe (but that's not multi target and instant). I'm not screaming for ZoS to nerf wardens- but I do think that their defile should be dropped to "minor defile". It really kills classes that are "stand your ground" with little to no mobility.

Lord_Eomer

I hope December Update thread will come before New Year!

No news about next update, we are already half way through December.

Losing interest in this game due to lack of ZOS Team activeness.

Savos_Saren

ak_pvp wrote: »

Machgun94 wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

So, WTF is supposed to be the role of an mDK now? They designed us to be tanky- so they left off mobility AND an execute. They nerfed our "stand-your-ground" abilities (like mending from Obsidian Shield and destroyed our wings). Now they want to nerf blocking.

Are we supposed to be DP

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

All of these tears shed regarding Perma block builds yet Sorc shields remain untouched. No class couples damage mitigation and burst potential with zero drawbacks like a Sorc.

But hey, let's adjust block cost again and not touch Sorcs. A block build has to be Taylor made to be effective with drawbacks while a Sorc just stacks magicka and Presto!! Huge shields and high burst and escape ability.

As im trying to reason in other post.
Make them critable, make them be reduced with defile.... As any other class has its survivability reduced by defile, since only sorcs have the most of its damage going to shield, they should be weakned like any other class when affected by defile.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel

NOPE. Defile should never supply to shields. Sorcs still need to heal frequently, so why should enemies get to defile them with two debuffs for the price of one? Secondly, none of the buffs that counter Defile (like Vitality and Mending) apply to shields at all, and even if they did, Sorcs don't have direct access to those buffs via class skills.

That's classic. A Sorc complaining about a 2-for-1 deal. Like they don't have two executes for the price of one.

How about this? If ZoS is going to nerf blocking (which is imperative for mDKs) why don't they nerf magicka regen while you have shields up?

Calm down, they obviously said they wouldn't release class changes notes yet; so you can assume they've considered that and may even revamp the class.

Kek, we asked for a buff to stonefist, and they nerfed foss instead. Don't be surprised if it gets nerfed without any buff.

@jaburns Shields are cheese, but the defile needs to be a separate debuff to normal defile so sorcs aren't instarip when defiled. And when shields are nerfed (if) then speed and damage needs to be buffed.

Speaking of Stone Fist- I'm still trying to figure out why it's "magic" damage. We're DKs. It needs to be flame damage. They could still just "buff" the Stone Fist ability to do Flame damage with a small flame splash damage effect. That way, it would benefit from World In Ruin.

Waffennacht

@Minno you made me wanna kick your butt for that comment...

It's hard to tell if you're joking cuz I know a heads that call drinking and eating "work"

SodanTok

To be fair, if they are planning on releasing PTS patch early in january like with homestead, we dont need monthly combat update. Since they wont get any work done on the promises or from the feedback from mid december to early january anyway. But they should have said so, rather than keep delaying the promised december update.

ak_pvp

SodanTok wrote: »

To be fair, if they are planning on releasing PTS patch early in january like with homestead, we dont need monthly combat update. Since they wont get any work done on the promises or from the feedback from mid december to early january anyway. But they should have said so, rather than keep delaying the promised december update.

Or maybe they would have given us the nuggets of what was in the works?

Kilandros

So these new monthly combat updates couldn't even make it to two consecutive months. There's no point saying you're going to do something if you aren't going to do it.

irstarkey57

This is a very slippery slope for magicka DK's. I can't explain how disappointed I will be if this further ruins magicka DK's importantance (if any left) as a melee dps in trials. None of those off balance options made being a magdk more viable at all. They don't heavy attack unless you want to wait until Christmas to wind up an inferno heavy. Their sustain comes from off balance so the cooldown....I'll wait and see. Not worth it yet. I don't believe everyone else and switch to stam dk. Super boring playstyle. : /.

On a positive note, I like the idea of the transparency. Thank you.