Shor PC/NA "Official" Discussion

Glory

Rickter wrote: »

wow really awesome pvp tonight guys. props to DEAD WAIT, Adamant, and Judgment for bringing their A games and props to PUGz and Power Rangerz for truly hard work tonight and salt free faction coordination!! WOW!

Actually were some amazing and really cool fights

No real lag too, even for our EU players

Glory

Raknosh wrote: »

Tonight was action packed! Thanks to Adamant for preventing us to get emp and all log off early. You guys are brutal as hell!

You're... you're welcome?

W0lf_z13

def had some great fights last night for the short amount of time i was on ... was extremely fun!

Rickter

I think, after the whole “TM server disrespect turned into a Rickter v TM discussion which wasnt even the point” debacle.... last night was much needed. I think last night was the kinds of fights one could and should expect and the environment was an absolute privilege to be able to partake in. No more than 15 players per engagement (except the final emp keep chalman defense). 4-8 mans in different locations. Dead wait and adamant being a very lethal combo when we found them together providing danger, challenge and respect. Judgment was out there with Llucifr(idk how to spell his name but hes a good guy). Requiem, Power Rangerz, PUGz of Daggerfall trifecta holding the line when all was lost - man it just doesnt get better than this guys.

This is why i advocated for Shor. Its for this environment right here. Ya’ll dont like my method because i guess i come in dual wield guns blazin, but what we had last night is every bit worth it to fight for. Tenaciously.

If you feel the way i do, i need you guys to back me up the next time something like the other night happens again.

Stridig

I actually rage quit last night lol. Nothing drives me crazy more than getting somebody down to 5k health, hitting them with DB and watching them go to 100% health then automatically 2 shotting you with beetles and reverse slice. Man I was pissed. Lol

xaraan

It was some awesome fighting yesterday. Really enjoyed it. First time Cyrodiil felt good as a whole campaign and not just a few good fights, but the whole back and forth of the factions in a long time.

Rickter

Would you say it was worth tenaciously fighting for in order to preserve?

A_G_G_R_O

Ah man I missed the fights....

W0lf_z13

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Ah man I missed the fights....

that u did... lol ... ran into @Glory and his group a few times though ... was fun even if i got wrecked

Lore_lai

Yep, really great fights and nice atmosphere!
Everyone put up a good fight and we loved seeing Shor so active!

And grats to @Rickter and everyone else who stuck with Shor even when it didn't see good days!

A_G_G_R_O

Are the destroy trains gone? Might poke around shor later.

Vapirko

xaraan wrote: »

It was some awesome fighting yesterday. Really enjoyed it. First time Cyrodiil felt good as a whole campaign and not just a few good fights, but the whole back and forth of the factions in a long time.

It’s nice when people actually play cyrodiil and don’t just go around griefing people just to get some kills. Plenty of kills to be had while also creating a legit fun environment.

Glory

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Ah man I missed the fights....

that u did... lol ... ran into @Glory and his group a few times though ... was fun even if i got wrecked

Hi

Rickter

Despite being outnumbered, and out gunned most of the night, we were still able to have some of the most amazing fights I have ever had the privilege of participating in. EP had a strong conglomerate of 20+ players and Requiem started out as 5 but grew to 13. We successfully farmed 40-50k ap at Arrius Mine and continuously wiped groups larger than ours with an Enemy Emperor. The climax occurred at Chalman keep which was the EP dethrone where I made one of the craziest calls as a raid leader and it led to an incredible victory.

Im very proud of my team and despite the opposition, and the AD back capping ( ) I just want to thank ALL the teams on Shor tonight. Never were we destro ulti trained, and never did we destro anyone else. There was only one occurrence of a teabag and aside from that, we had fun, intense, challenging and memorable straight clean Player versus Player tonight.

Guys it's a privilege to PvP in this kind of environment. Two nights in a row straight up lag free medium scale PvP.

#bonding
#187kAP
#NoDungeonApBuff

Stridig

Honestly the destro ball groups ruin all the fun. Laziest play style there is.

Grimlok_S

Those darn destro groups. They outplayed me while solo on a resource - proxy, destro, permafrost. I thought to myself, enough of this nonsense, I can usually find smaller fights in IC.

They outplayed me soloing an IC boss - proxy, destro, premafrost.
They even outplayed me when I got stuck in a loadscreen going through a door! Proxy and permafrost on my death recap.

If anyone has get gud for sale, I'm looking to buy in bulk! I'm all out over here.

W0lf_z13

Stridig wrote: »

Honestly the destro ball groups ruin all the fun. Laziest play style there is.

completely agree

Rickter

So there is a little background here. [snip - name and shame] came onto the server a little earlier in the night and they had 6. We had just taken Aleswell Lumbermill with 5 players and they engaged us and won. We werent expecting them but its whatever, well played. They honorably left the LM and engaged us just over the bridge in open field and we won 5 v 6. They rezzed at a camp, 2 pugs joined us, and we pushed their resource position with 7 so it was 7 v 6+NPC guards and we won again.

NO destro's/proxy/meta cheese was used these were straight up fun fights and I gave props to M***k.

Fast forward in the night and we fought a group of 11 [snip - name and shame] who had combined with @Takuto (to my understanding this was not intentional)'s <DEAD WAIT> over on Ash Mine. It was a good fight, but we eventually were overwhelmed (we had two healers in the group and that only takes you so far). Again: no destros/proxy/meta cheese.

We rezzed at Glade, rode back down to Ash Farm, capped it and positioned ourselves to confront that combined team again. Unfortunately, (and this is why i think the combo was unintentional) only 6 [snip - name and shame] came for us and we killed them with 13 of us.

Now I understand we were double their numbers but i was really expecting a 13 v 11 fight.

Alas, this is when things started to spiral. They used that ONE incident to justify pulling out their destro proxy permafrost meta garbage.

"If youre going to stealth bomb our group of 6 with 15 then dont complain when we pull out destros. Theres no counter for being that outnumbered besides siege" was the exact quote i believe.

Fair enough - i agreed and I sent 5 of my guys south to nikel to thin us out and communicated that back to M***k. I truly was expecting more, and took steps to avoid that kind of lopsidedness again. This was also communicated to him.

So the 9 of us siege Ash, we get inside and there are 17 AD and [snip - name and shame] are proxy destro bombing us with impunity!! I whispered M***k to see what the logic was behind that and guess what? he blocked me or appeared offline. Then I was teabagged, laughed at emote, etc by some of the people that posted in this thread.

They used that playstyle the rest of the night, with the last engagement against 19 AD at Nikel. We fled to the fringes of the map and I believe they left when no one would feed them AP.

_________________________________________________


Unfortunately, I maintain my statements about [snip - name and shame] in regards to the loss of respect. Which is in fact unfortunate because I could see they tried to "drop their group builds" and fight us straight up but given their response I can only assume one of the following happened:

1) The fights werent as easy as they wanted
2) There was pressure within the team to farm AP and to utilize that playstyle to achieve that goal
3) They didnt want Rickter's forum talk to prove that they needed to crutch on a meta to win against his non competitive casual Shor group

disclaimer: all assumptions

Whatever happened, the fact is I saw a group RESORT to a despicable playstyle made moreso despicable because they used it on a server they knew had no defense against it. Then laughed about it, and teabagged.

My statements still stand and I hope you all see it now, that its not just me: [snip - name and shame] has no regard or respect for the ecosystem we have on Shor. This isnt something you can change their mind on either, this is a character issue. This is an integrity issue.

Requiem walked away with our heads held high tonight because what we saw was a group resort to an easy win. Resort to an easy out. You arent a competitive team. You dont deserve recognition. And thats your legacy.

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Penguin is taking offence because truth is his groups rely on mechanics with no counterplay that either deliver an abnormal amount of AoE pressure or an abnormal amount of AoE survivability while only having to press 2 buttons outside of keeping their buffs up

#truestory

PenguinInACan

Here's the problem with everything you are trying to build on Shor: it's hypocritical and discriminative.

We tried "not running meta"...and it's boring to us. We weren't having fun in the long drawn out fights with 2/3 of our 6 man group running tank or healing builds. All the while we were fighting a group that used destro, used earthgore...so I don't really know what you want from us here. We're not going away. Shor is fun. There aren't giant zergs and we get to relax. It's not like we are there every night.

For some reason the campaign is being expected to conform to some arbitrary ruleset based on different people's opinions of what "fair" and "fun" and "lazy" is. To me I have more fun when I'm fighting outnumbered playing on my bomblade than on my magicka templar. But I have no integrity because somebody decided I'm not supposed to do something I enjoy because other people don't enjoy it? I hate grapefruit, doesn't mean I assault someone's character everytime they start eating one in front of me. I think attacking 6 people from stealth with almost triple the numbers is lazy. I don't berate the group publicly that does it and call their playstyle disrespectful and not deserving recognition.

All of the work that's been done to make shor non toxic and welcoming to PvPers is undone everytime a playstyle is or group is called out for just existing.

And no I don't block people who are civil to me, I change characters when I don't feel like tanking in PvP. Use @ names next time to whisper.

But I suppose this is par for the course. Obviously there is something about Shor that makes people think it's a closed community and specific things aren't welcome. Whatever it is, I can tell you it's not integrity or character if this is the response people get for also trying to have fun.

pzschrek

Marek, don't sugar coat it.

It sounds to me like you violated the tenets of the Bruma Convention on the International Law of Shor Warfare.

You ought to be tried and hanged like the war criminal you are.

W0lf_z13

PUGz called it a night after the battle at nik last night .... its pretty difficult to survive through 4 to 5 destro ults going off in a small area such as an outpost when the destro ults take up 95% of the floor room ... that *** gets old wiping to that ... I understand that communication is a big part of these types of groups but ( imo ) many people view this playstyle as not having skill .... you + X amount of others hit an ult key and decimate everything around ... then after that hold block or light/heavy attack to gain back said ult and repeat ....

We fought against Adamant a few times and even though we lost... those fights were great

Rickter

Marek: Your lack of understanding is because you werent there from the start. But i can tell you, for the ones that were, and have been, i assure you: these things were discussed.

The inviting atmosphere for Shor goes beyond what metas arent utilized however. The diminished amount of teabags, and the friendly "good fights" tells reflect what weve built as well. Shor is the LEAST toxic of all four campaigns and yet you want to some how dismiss that?

Listen im not going to argue with you anymore. No one was using destro in my group, and my group werent the ones teabagging and utilizing a meta that you are knowingly aware that no one on shor builds to counter.

"you got bored" so you destro'd for kicks. that sums it up doesnt it? words like "disrespect" "disregard" it all rings true. You just dont care.

So why should I? We talked about last night afterwards and we're just going to avoid you. If you chase us around, we'll go IC or talk with <ANIMOSITY> for the formal GvG events they host. As I ve stated, we arent a competitive group. No sense in high school varsity going up against the professional NBA team you are (lol), right?


At this point Im starting to highly doubt @A_G_G_R_O @Joshlenoir @jaysins @StaticWave had anything to do with the defilement of Sotha Sil. With comments like these:

Joshlenoir wrote: »

but Requiem doesn't have multiple earthgores, Destro Ults, and other fire and forget carry mechanics like TM does, which puts them at a huge disadvantage if the numbers are anywhere similar unless they have strong players with powerful builds that don't need to rely on these mechanics to win (which they don't).

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Penguin is taking offence because truth is his groups rely on mechanics with no counterplay that either deliver an abnormal amount of AoE pressure or an abnormal amount of AoE survivability while only having to press 2 buttons outside of keeping their buffs up

Joshlenoir wrote: »

So I need to have a VD tank, tons of healing debugger, purge and rapids builds, then have multiple earthgores and Destro Ults to fight that madness? And I'm supposed to somehow do this in a 4-6 man group (which I usually run) while still being able to have the damage to kill anything that isn't a mud crab? Needing to run a bunch of specific builds packed in a group(let's be honest, you don't find any of that outside of 10-24 man's) isn't "counterplay", that's just overwhelming it with numbers.

It's almost like theyre the only ones with any semblance of respect for a campaign environment. You remember in the Dark Knight, Batman chose to take the fall for Harvey Dent to preserve his legacy to better Gotham? I'd like to draw the analogy of that and <CAMPAIGN KILLERS> - you guys are damn heroes.

PenguinInACan

I agree that fighting 4-5 destros at a time is no fun. But we also specifically only used 1 or none when we pushed into fights to avoid the backlash and because it wasn't necessary. What the people that aren't grouped with us do we can't control.

Stridig

Meh I'll just go back to Vivec where there is a little more protection from the cheese. Destro groups always claim it's only 1 destro ult. and people are confusing Grothdar procs for destro ult.

Rickter

I think you'd ahve more to stand on if you werent the only group doing it @PenguinInACan

seriously, youre the only group coming onto shor and using that playstyle. you cant justify it and no one wants it here.

I mean look at this:

PenguinInACan wrote: »

We tried "not running meta"...and it's boring to us.

lol. so you would steam roll a server with a playstyle no one can defend against? yeah this is a personal character issue.

Tzayad

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Here's the problem with everything you are trying to build on Shor: it's hypocritical and discriminative.

We tried "not running meta"...and it's boring to us. We weren't having fun in the long drawn out fights with 2/3 of our 6 man group running tank or healing builds. All the while we were fighting a group that used destro, used earthgore...so I don't really know what you want from us here. We're not going away. Shor is fun. There aren't giant zergs and we get to relax. It's not like we are there every night.

For some reason the campaign is being expected to conform to some arbitrary ruleset based on different people's opinions of what "fair" and "fun" and "lazy" is. To me I have more fun when I'm fighting outnumbered playing on my bomblade than on my magicka templar. But I have no integrity because somebody decided I'm not supposed to do something I enjoy because other people don't enjoy it? I hate grapefruit, doesn't mean I assault someone's character everytime they start eating one in front of me. I think attacking 6 people from stealth with almost triple the numbers is lazy. I don't berate the group publicly that does it and call their playstyle disrespectful and not deserving recognition.

All of the work that's been done to make shor non toxic and welcoming to PvPers is undone everytime a playstyle is or group is called out for just existing.

And no I don't block people who are civil to me, I change characters when I don't feel like tanking in PvP. Use @ names next time to whisper.

But I suppose this is par for the course. Obviously there is something about Shor that makes people think it's a closed community and specific things aren't welcome. Whatever it is, I can tell you it's not integrity or character if this is the response people get for also trying to have fun.

Assuming this is all true, I still never think t-bagging is appropriate.

kpittsniperb14_ESO

Rickter wrote: »

So there is a little background here. [snip - name and shame] came onto the server a little earlier in the night and they had 6. We had just taken Aleswell Lumbermill with 5 players and they engaged us and won. We werent expecting them but its whatever, well played. They honorably left the LM and engaged us just over the bridge in open field and we won 5 v 6. They rezzed at a camp, 2 pugs joined us, and we pushed their resource position with 7 so it was 7 v 6+NPC guards and we won again.

NO destro's/proxy/meta cheese was used these were straight up fun fights and I gave props to M***k.

Fast forward in the night and we fought a group of 11 [snip - name and shame] who had combined with @Takuto (to my understanding this was not intentional)'s <DEAD WAIT> over on Ash Mine. It was a good fight, but we eventually were overwhelmed (we had two healers in the group and that only takes you so far). Again: no destros/proxy/meta cheese.

We rezzed at Glade, rode back down to Ash Farm, capped it and positioned ourselves to confront that combined team again. Unfortunately, (and this is why i think the combo was unintentional) only 6 [snip - name and shame] came for us and we killed them with 13 of us.

Now I understand we were double their numbers but i was really expecting a 13 v 11 fight.

Alas, this is when things started to spiral. They used that ONE incident to justify pulling out their destro proxy permafrost meta garbage.

"If youre going to stealth bomb our group of 6 with 15 then dont complain when we pull out destros. Theres no counter for being that outnumbered besides siege" was the exact quote i believe.

Fair enough - i agreed and I sent 5 of my guys south to nikel to thin us out and communicated that back to M***k. I truly was expecting more, and took steps to avoid that kind of lopsidedness again. This was also communicated to him.

So the 9 of us siege Ash, we get inside and there are 17 AD and [snip - name and shame] are proxy destro bombing us with impunity!! I whispered M***k to see what the logic was behind that and guess what? he blocked me or appeared offline. Then I was teabagged, laughed at emote, etc by some of the people that posted in this thread.

They used that playstyle the rest of the night, with the last engagement against 19 AD at Nikel. We fled to the fringes of the map and I believe they left when no one would feed them AP.

_________________________________________________


Unfortunately, I maintain my statements about [snip - name and shame] in regards to the loss of respect. Which is in fact unfortunate because I could see they tried to "drop their group builds" and fight us straight up but given their response I can only assume one of the following happened:

1) The fights werent as easy as they wanted
2) There was pressure within the team to farm AP and to utilize that playstyle to achieve that goal
3) They didnt want Rickter's forum talk to prove that they needed to crutch on a meta to win against his non competitive casual Shor group

disclaimer: all assumptions

Whatever happened, the fact is I saw a group RESORT to a despicable playstyle made moreso despicable because they used it on a server they knew had no defense against it. Then laughed about it, and teabagged.

My statements still stand and I hope you all see it now, that its not just me: [snip - name and shame] has no regard or respect for the ecosystem we have on Shor. This isnt something you can change their mind on either, this is a character issue. This is an integrity issue.

Requiem walked away with our heads held high tonight because what we saw was a group resort to an easy win. Resort to an easy out. You arent a competitive team. You dont deserve recognition. And thats your legacy.

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Penguin is taking offence because truth is his groups rely on mechanics with no counterplay that either deliver an abnormal amount of AoE pressure or an abnormal amount of AoE survivability while only having to press 2 buttons outside of keeping their buffs up

#truestory

Was at the Aleswell lumber mill fight with 2 TM and 3 pugs vs your 7....I mean 15 man DC group. Interestingly enough we were hit with destros by your group during this fight which you profess to never use and saw multiple earthgore procs from your group which you apparently don't wear. Again at Ash farm you were more than happy to hit 5, not 6, TM with your full 15 with an ulti bomb that included destro and earth gore. Given that every fight with you guys was going to be 5v15, it was at this point that I made the call to use the tools appropriate to the situation given the 3 to 1 odds. We weren't even using ults to kill you guys which is the funny part of the whole issue, just normal aoe damage was enough with the occasional ult now and then.......with 7.

Spent most of the night fighting the 3 bars of EP that were on and had a lot of fun without the whining and moaning. Had a few chats with the EP we were fighting that were civil and cordial and everyone was having a good time, except your salt filled crew that immediately headed to the forums to whine as usual to talk about ecosystems and how you didn't really lose these fights because you actually outplayed us by moving left instead of right.

One or all of the following are true

1.) We don't care what you think

2.) We don't care what Josh thinks (true)

3.) We don't care about recognition or legacy.....what does that even mean in a game that that is so imbalanced, buggy and impossible to gauge competitiveness due to mechanics, no real leader boards etc etc.

Why don't you guys just play the game and enjoy it for what it is, focus on having a good time together. Believe me, it will make time spent in ESO much more enjoyable for you

PenguinInACan

Let's get something straight @Rickter. You publicly bad mouth my guild, I defend it. You publicly bash how I enjoy playing the game, and I defend it. Now it's personal and not in game and not for the fun of forum PvP.

I get people don't like fighting the current meta. I'm not sarcastic when I say I'm sorry you don't like fighting it. It's effective and it's something we've been doing for a couple months because it's different than what we used to do.

We come to shor a few nights a week because of the community you've built and how laid back and fun it's become.

So don't talk yourself into any more circles about how I'm disrespectful or lacking character when all I've done is defend my guild and now apparently I have to defend myself for trying to have fun.

casparian

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Let's get something straight @Rickter. You publicly bad mouth my guild, I defend it. You publicly bash how I enjoy playing the game, and I defend it. Now it's personal and not in game and not for the fun of forum PvP.

I get people don't like fighting the current meta. I'm not sarcastic when I say I'm sorry you don't like fighting it. It's effective and it's something we've been doing for a couple months because it's different than what we used to do.

We come to shor a few nights a week because of the community you've built and how laid back and fun it's become.

So don't talk yourself into any more circles about how I'm disrespectful or lacking character when all I've done is defend my guild and now apparently I have to defend myself for trying to have fun.

Do you think you are contributing to how "laid back and fun" the campaign is if you bring Earthgore, destro ults, and tea-bagging into it? This campaign is in the enjoyable state it now is because its major players have abstained from the kind of gameplay and behavior you enjoy.

You should be able to play how you want within the current design of the game. Please go do that in Vivec.

Rickter

AMEN @casparian

hahahaha, No one wants you TM!! hahahaha

anyways:

@PenguinInACan I publicly bad mouthed the meta your guild utilized on a server that cant defend against it. I'd have nothing against you or your guild if you didnt do that. Get that through your skull. Im not repeating myself. You want to make this personal? we can all you want but frankly, youre a fool.

@kpittsniperb14_ESO
your numbers are all wrong and I have a screen shot of Marek confirming there were 6 of you. nice try. I already admitted that we had one Earthgore amoungst my TWO healers. I didnt tell them to wear it, they took it upon themselves because i guess they felt it necessary considering (as Marek admitted) "2/3 of your 6 man" are healers/tanks (lol)

kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »

Why don't you guys just play the game and enjoy it for what it is, focus on having a good time together. Believe me, it will make time spent in ESO much more enjoyable for you

yeah that is exactly what we do!! imagine that!! scroll up - Monday and Tuesday nights on shor was AMAZING!! but when you try and push anything on the map and a group comes in and treats you like [snip] in a way you cant defend against, well then, how are we supposed to feel about that?


I think both of you would be singing a different tune if you werent the one's with the "ace in the sleeve meta group builds"