Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

Stridig

pzschrek wrote: »

Everyone zergs, but AD does it a lot more and in prime time.

It’s worse than you think for the health of the game. It chokes off the flow of new pvpers. You get out of kyne, where do you go? If you have 200 cp you can’t have fun in any other campaign. And if you’re not AD, you see how it is and never come back because you get zerged so much.

I dont play here much but from what I saw last night, it's not just AD. I mean AD had Emp last night and while we were trying like hell to hold Ash, 20 EP were able to get..... Glade. Yes Glade. I'm not saying either of those two alliances were zerging, but it sure is hard to gain ground when red prefers Glade over BRK. EP could have easily taken back some of their home keeps while we had AD tied up.

pzschrek

Stridig wrote: »

EP could have easily taken back some of their home keeps while we had AD tied up.

You’re not wrong. My theory is that, like someone said above, people want to win while they’re on. When they push and get rekt repeatedly, they’re eventually gonna pick an easier direction to go. That said, ep does seem to get gunshy sometimes in a way dc does not.

Heike

pzschrek wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

EP could have easily taken back some of their home keeps while we had AD tied up.

You’re not wrong. My theory is that, like someone said above, people want to win while they’re on. When they push and get rekt repeatedly, they’re eventually gonna pick an easier direction to go. That said, ep does seem to get gunshy sometimes in a way dc does not.

When AD and DC get into an hour long seige war at Ash or Roe, EP will 99% of the time take Sej, Allessia, Fare and BB. They PVDoor their scrolls and then (maybe) come get into the mix at Roe. More times than not, AFTER they have the South, THEN they take Aleswell and (if the zergwar is at Roe), they take Ash.

Rinse. Repeat.

And... it’s brilliant.
And... it works.

Why? Because AD turtles.

esotoon

Heike wrote: »

When AD and DC get into an hour long seige war at Ash or Roe, EP will 99% of the time take Sej, Allessia, Fare and BB. They PVDoor their scrolls and then (maybe) come get into the mix at Roe. More times than not, AFTER they have the South, THEN they take Aleswell and (if the zergwar is at Roe), they take Ash.

Whilst what you say used to happen a lot, the last couple campaigns (and this one), EP have consistently gone north and not south. From a tactical point of view it never makes much sense to me because nearly every time, it would end with DC having to retreat, lose by being pincered, then AD with their greater numbers and now just one faction to face would take what was red and Emp. (And to be clear, thats not faction bias talking, it would be the same result whenever two factions with only half the pop of the third fight each other instead of fighting the larger faction at the same time.)

What is faction bias talking, is that from this DC’s point of view it, because it does make such little tactical sense and has been happening so consistently, it seems to me like EP have been fighting these past couple months simply to hamper DC, even though by doing so they guarantee themselves third, rather than fighting to win. I realise there could be other reasons for it though, so whether that’s actually the case or not, only they could say. (Don’t get me wrong, when Fengrush was on, I fully get why all bets were off and EP and AD would push DC no matter what. He was the flame to your enraged moths! I’m talking outside those times.)

Late last night, was the first time in a long time I’ve seen EP repeatedly flag (and finally get) Alessia, and that was only after several hours of them getting pushed back at Ales/Bleaks.

gabriebe

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Heike wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

EP could have easily taken back some of their home keeps while we had AD tied up.

You’re not wrong. My theory is that, like someone said above, people want to win while they’re on. When they push and get rekt repeatedly, they’re eventually gonna pick an easier direction to go. That said, ep does seem to get gunshy sometimes in a way dc does not.

When AD and DC get into an hour long seige war at Ash or Roe, EP will 99% of the time take Sej, Allessia, Fare and BB. They PVDoor their scrolls and then (maybe) come get into the mix at Roe. More times than not, AFTER they have the South, THEN they take Aleswell and (if the zergwar is at Roe), they take Ash.

Rinse. Repeat.

And... it’s brilliant.
And... it works.

Why? Because AD turtles.

Yeah. I don't see a problem then, right?

rfennell_ESO

Heike wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

EP could have easily taken back some of their home keeps while we had AD tied up.

You’re not wrong. My theory is that, like someone said above, people want to win while they’re on. When they push and get rekt repeatedly, they’re eventually gonna pick an easier direction to go. That said, ep does seem to get gunshy sometimes in a way dc does not.

When AD and DC get into an hour long seige war at Ash or Roe, EP will 99% of the time take Sej, Allessia, Fare and BB. They PVDoor their scrolls and then (maybe) come get into the mix at Roe. More times than not, AFTER they have the South, THEN they take Aleswell and (if the zergwar is at Roe), they take Ash.

Rinse. Repeat.

And... it’s brilliant.
And... it works.

Why? Because AD turtles.

It's a fair point, in addition when the 50+ man siege limit collection of 10+ AD "small groups" starts rolling with 2 bars or less on EP/DC... well, you aren't going to win that battle versus them.

The only thing that can be done is to take keeps and outposts on the other side of the map of them and try and break the yellow tide up.

Heike

esotoon wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

When AD and DC get into an hour long seige war at Ash or Roe, EP will 99% of the time take Sej, Allessia, Fare and BB. They PVDoor their scrolls and then (maybe) come get into the mix at Roe. More times than not, AFTER they have the South, THEN they take Aleswell and (if the zergwar is at Roe), they take Ash.

Late last night, was the first time in a long time I’ve seen EP repeatedly flag (and finally get) Alessia, and that was only after several hours of them getting pushed back at Ales/Bleaks.

....?

EP had Allessia for nearly 9 hours yesterday, and farmed AD there through 3 separate dticks last night. They finally lost Allessia to AD just before 10pm. Sej and BRK were taken immediately after. Most of our group either left for trials or logged on our EP toons then.

@rfennell_ESO although I would disagree with your pop numbers (DC and AD were both at 3bars last night, until after midnight), I completely agree with you. I wasn’t knocking EP. At all. Quite the opposite. It’s brilliant and I would do the same thing.

As for “10 small man groups”, I can’t help how many groups form. That subject has been beaten to death.

Dreamweaver357

EP will win this month. Because, apparently, AD wishes for that to happen. lol

An AD guild went and just fully faction-swapped to EP, for the low pop ap-gains I guess.
Also there was an actual AD zerg intercept a DC scroll runner & escort (with a DC scroll) going from Arrius->DC temples, and reset the scroll to EP territory instead of taking it to AD territory.

Meanwhile people turn on each other and DC zone is filled with toxicity from a couple individuals who are apparently immune to reporting. It's hard to be DC rn.

Munavar

Maybe EP will win, maybe they wont. A segment of players do not care about the score or have even checked it months\years.

Those players may have swapped to EP for an AP bonus but more likely than not they switched given the numbers AD was running around with. As a notion, AD is a farmable faction. Lots of bows and low health, VD procs waiting to happen. Unless you are thinking it is a 'Team Orange' conspiracy?

I wish ZOS would change it so a group could decide which faction to queue for. We lose 1/4 of the group when trying to form up on other faction. Too many cannot be bothered with the chore of setting up toons for all 3 factions (looking at you undaunted & mounts). Of course, to do that the end of campaign reward system would need to be reworked.

What number of players determines as an 'actual zerg'?

The scroll was taken. As they say, to the victor goes the spoils'. The scroll served its purpose of an old fashion 'tower' farm that even a few 'vet DC' could not resist. It was not really a matter of giving the scroll back to EP; it is that scroll runs are (more often than not) tedious. Also, there are plenty of screen shots of the map being painted yellow. AD would have had the scroll in an hour or so anyways.

Isn't all zone chat 'bad'? I have not had it on since day 2 (besides for a few minutes to do World Bosses {still need 2 more pages})

esotoon

Dreamweaver357 wrote: »

An AD guild went and just fully faction-swapped to EP, for the low pop ap-gains I guess.

People have been calling for population balance for a long time. The fact that an AD guild switched to EP is a good thing. EP and DC both need more players, and AD less.

Also there was an actual AD zerg intercept a DC scroll runner & escort (with a DC scroll) going from Arrius->DC temples, and reset the scroll to EP territory instead of taking it to AD territory.

The people carrying/escorting the scroll were repeatedly warned that the AD guild in question were a ball group that like having fun with the scrolls and would use it to farm them if they got hold of it. It has nothing to do with factions. It has to do with that guild having fun. Once the AD got the scroll and headed to Bruma, the DC scroll group were again warned not to follow or engage because they would get farmed. But again, those warnings were ignored and you saw the result. Even after the scroll reset there were still DC at Bruma bashing their head against the same wall, as several of our keeps were being taken.

Hopefully some will use it as a learning moment, if not, expect the same to happen again, and again.

Heimpai

Dreamweaver357 wrote: »

EP will win this month. Because, apparently, AD wishes for that to happen. lol

An AD guild went and just fully faction-swapped to EP, for the low pop ap-gains I guess.
Also there was an actual AD zerg intercept a DC scroll runner & escort (with a DC scroll) going from Arrius->DC temples, and reset the scroll to EP territory instead of taking it to AD territory.

Meanwhile people turn on each other and DC zone is filled with toxicity from a couple individuals who are apparently immune to reporting. It's hard to be DC rn.

Well EP did need the numbers, i personally got tired of an alt with 40+ less skill points..so i went back to AD and homed vivec, the pop in Sotha is too dead when i play

Stridig

Our group had fun tonight. Lots of good encounters at BRK. There are some outstanding players in this campaign.

Dreamweaver357

Could everyone share an opinion about a guild from an enemy alliance?
Politely that is, something nice.

'ere I go:
Cobra Kai are probably the best guild that EP has, or at least the one that causes me the most headache as a DC player. Their surprise back-keep attacks are often hard to counter and I believe they could do a lot more damage if they have a larger player base.

TM in their ball zerg specialty is very hard to kill, you need to reorder your groups (hard when you are running half-pugs e.g.) really well to counter their tactic without having to resort to superior numbers.

esotoon

Dreamweaver357 wrote: »

Could everyone share an opinion about a guild from an enemy alliance?
Politely that is, something nice.

I respect Sunder and Keening for pulling out all the stops to rally the EP Pugs into an organized group at a time ( a few campaigns ago) when it looked like EP were all but becoming extinct. Running pug groups is hard enough at the best of times, but to do it, build a guild and turn EP’s fortunes round at the same time was impressive.

Always happy to see TM on the battlefield. So well organized, always up for a fight and quite often just out to have fun. Love taking them on in an organised group, hate facing them in a pug group.

And of the small man groups, shout out to Animosity. Not only are they skilled and well organised (like a lot of small man groups), they just seem to have a fun attitude to the game, And unlike a few other good small man groups that have been on Sotha in the past, if they easily dominate a group of players, once they realise that there isn't any real competition to be had, they have always tended to back off and go find a better fight elsewhere, instead of farming people into oblivion. Much respect for that.

vickicass

one look at Animosity and I go the other way unless I'm with a good group. they are just too skilled and I'm not fast enough.

Benshu's rough raiders is another fun guild to go against. it doesn't seem like they have the numbers but they are smart.

Duchness I can't remember if I've seen you in a guild but when I see you I know I'm about to get steamrolled. keeps me on my toes.

pzschrek

Bashu's Rough Riders because whether DC is up or down, they're always there and will fight.

Patches760

Ignis Vertias peoples are nice and fun to talk to :^)

kpittsniperb14_ESO

pzschrek wrote: »

Bashu's Rough Riders because whether DC is up or down, they're always there and will fight.

this.....Bashu is the true Covenant Hero on this campaign.

edges_endgame

kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Bashu's Rough Riders because whether DC is up or down, they're always there and will fight.

this.....Bashu is the true Covenant Hero on this campaign.

Bashu is one of the nicest people ingame. Sometimes numbers you face are a lot less than you think. Bashu just leaves if you point out PvDoor. Much respect for that.

Drakkdjinn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EGwvwX2X44

kpittsniperb14_ESO

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EGwvwX2X44

yes, there is beer on the sun

Dutchessx

vickicass wrote: »

one look at Animosity and I go the other way unless I'm with a good group. they are just too skilled and I'm not fast enough.

Benshu's rough raiders is another fun guild to go against. it doesn't seem like they have the numbers but they are smart.

Duchness I can't remember if I've seen you in a guild but when I see you I know I'm about to get steamrolled. keeps me on my toes.

Thanks...Depending on when you saw me last it would have been Darkest Requiem if before August 6th if after that it was Guild of Shadows or I was solo.

Odysseus87

AD's love for siege never fails to amaze me. One moment your in an evenly matched 1v5, the next they have siege up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4QCGUcXDRw&t=11s

Kartalin

Yep, having fought them on both DC and EP now, the fact that they outnumber you is never an excuse for not putting down a couple of siege. The key is to just stay mobile.

Drakkdjinn

Odysseus87 wrote: »

AD's love for siege never fails to amaze me. One moment your in an evenly matched 1v5, the next they have siege up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4QCGUcXDRw&t=11s

Lol, but tbh I have not seen any reluctance from any faction to siege instead of PvP this patch; its a problem on all sides since they overtuned it.

D0RID0RI240

How is Sotha now? I take it the AD pop has fallen now that middle school is back in session for the majority?

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D0RID0RI240 wrote: »

How is Sotha now? I take it the AD pop has fallen now that middle school is back in session for the majority?

Eh....some swapped factions and zerg there.

Phreeki

Nah it's still an AD "we don't really wan't to PvP so we bring 30 of us to a resource to fight 6 people" kind of faction zerg.

Marcus684

Phreeki wrote: »

Nah it's still an AD "we don't really wan't to PvP so we bring 30 of us to a resource to fight 6 people" kind of faction zerg.

The overpopulated alliance tends to have the higher percentage of low-skill/poorly-equipped players, and they usually get tired of dying to 1vXers, so they’ll wait until 10+ other players are already headed to the resource before they’ll head there themselves. You can’t expect them to be easy AP forever.