Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

edges_endgame

Kartalin wrote: »

Don’t be part of the problem, be part of the solution.

When your faction is starting to outnumber and overpower opponents, it’s time to seek fights elsewhere. This doesn’t mean log off or switch factions, though these are options, it means maybe focus on defense for awhile, try to let the other factions get a foothold and stay in the game. Or just play on a different campaign for a while or go do BGs. Heck just take a break and go for a walk or something if you’ve been at it for a while.

The point of pvp is to fight other players, test your abilities as a player or as a group. Not to fight stone, timber, and npcs. Sometimes you have to hit a soft target if your opponent is stacking all their forces in one location, but if every target is a soft target, where’s the fun in that? Versus low pops the fights are less satisfying, the AP isn’t as good, and you’re actively encouraging your opponents from even coming back the next time. What’s the point in being king of a garbage heap?

Too bad that most AD do not agree with you Kart.


map at 5:30 am eastern, AD at 2 bars, EP has about 10 on, if even.




It is really frustrating.

midgetfromtheshire

Clearly those screenshots are fake. We all know that AD doesn't nightcap at all.

edges_endgame

midgetfromtheshire wrote: »

Clearly those screenshots are fake. We all know that AD doesn't nightcap at all.

Oh yeah, they small scalled their way to emp just now with 40 solo players vs 12 DC defenders.
Always funny to see the regular zerglings in that small group. It is not the people coming in for the event only. It is the usual AD people. Very frustrating and also very pathetic.

I heared DC got a 755k d tick though.


edit: typo

edges_endgame

AD at 3 bars now, 9am eastern. EP low pop bonus.

Kartalin

Before the event we were mainly playing on DC to help even out the numbers a bit (not all of our guild have EP chars leveled). Likely we will return to DC after the mayhem is over if their numbers return to normal during prime time which is when we run. Thanks to the event (and Fengrush) DC has seen a good influx of players so we enjoy playing our AD mains again. But there’s usually a point each evening right as we’re finishing up that there’s a noticeable shift in power and AD starts dominating. We start campaign hopping looking for fights if we still want to keep going but the newer campaigns just open for the event don’t really match up with Sotha when things are popping.

Really wish DC wouldn’t log so quickly after losing emp like has been happening. Yes you’re getting double teamed but this is because you had emp. If you didn’t notice during prime time when you didn’t have emp there was a lot more fighting between all three factions on all fronts. I expect AD to be double teamed when they have emp as well.

It’s been great fun during prime time so far, looking forward to more good fights for the remainder of the event and beyond.

Drakkdjinn

Much respect to Bashu & his crew for their tenacious attitude & willingness to fight no matter the odds in Sotha over the last several cycles as many prominent AD/EP/even DC guilds have been content to abuse the map. The true champion of the covenant.

pzschrek

Kartalin wrote: »

When your faction is starting to outnumber and overpower opponents, it’s time to seek fights elsewhere. This doesn’t mean log off or switch factions, though these are options, it means maybe focus on defense for awhile, try to let the other factions get a foothold and stay in the game.

I recommend turning their siege around, if you can get them off it.

Kartalin

At least we’ll have better fights in prime time tonight, wasn’t anything to speak of last night.

Kartalin

Kartalin wrote: »

At least we’ll have better fights in prime time tonight, wasn’t anything to speak of last night.

Lol, guess I was wrong.

FENGRUSH

Kartalin wrote: »

At least we’ll have better fights in prime time tonight, wasn’t anything to speak of last night.

https://twitch.tv/videos/292186766

This is what is referred to in the picture. Players may not be used to me being sarcastic or just baiting a troll who's clearly in the channel to complain and be negative. I've become tired of arguing with people who come to chat or anyone acting negative over the campaign.

He is asking what the population is after AD has folded and given up. DC was dethroning an emperor and did so with 3DC/3AD/2EP. EP was also at the keep attacking us while we pushed inside the keep. AD lost the keep due to having no close respawn and limited people alive when the walls fell. That is the numbers you should actually be concerned with:

https://twitch.tv/videos/292184803


AD lost an emperor capped overnight, as it caps every night, to a strong pushing effort. The back and forth complaints and negativity from AD players has become exhausting to deal with. I made an orc army for the event to have something enjoyable for the community to do and participate in. Being on the receiving end will not always be fun - but there are plenty of times it is a lot of fun, for both sides. There's been plenty of PvP available and DC pouring into the campaign.

Cutting these clips was pretty easy to do but it is already more effort than I wish to put into this subject. Getting bent out of shape over the campaign is a wasted effort and your energy would be better put into something else.

edges_endgame

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

At least we’ll have better fights in prime time tonight, wasn’t anything to speak of last night.

https://twitch.tv/videos/292186766

This is what is referred to in the picture. Players may not be used to me being sarcastic or just baiting a troll who's clearly in the channel to complain and be negative. I've become tired of arguing with people who come to chat or anyone acting negative over the campaign.

He is asking what the population is after AD has folded and given up. DC was dethroning an emperor and did so with 3DC/3AD/2EP. EP was also at the keep attacking us while we pushed inside the keep. AD lost the keep due to having no close respawn and limited people alive when the walls fell. That is the numbers you should actually be concerned with:

https://twitch.tv/videos/292184803


AD lost an emperor capped overnight, as it caps every night, to a strong pushing effort. The back and forth complaints and negativity from AD players has become exhausting to deal with. I made an orc army for the event to have something enjoyable for the community to do and participate in. Being on the receiving end will not always be fun - but there are plenty of times it is a lot of fun, for both sides. There's been plenty of PvP available and DC pouring into the campaign.

Cutting these clips was pretty easy to do but it is already more effort than I wish to put into this subject. Getting bent out of shape over the campaign is a wasted effort and your energy would be better put into something else.

Well @FENGRUSH AD at 2 bars since 3am eastern, never dropped below. When I just logged off, EP and DC had low pop bonus while AD's faction is PvDooring. As far as I am concerned, keep them yellows at their gates EVERY damn night. I am tired of their toxic playstyle and wish zos would finally take care of the wall glitch. There really is no need to exploit into a keep to kill the 6 defenders you are already having 10 coldfires on them, while the rest of your 30 AD sits in stealth lightattacking so sloads procs.

Kartalin

@FENGRUSH

I tagged you and was complimentary twice and got no response, but a criticism without a tag receives a reply. Interesting. I shall attempt to refrain from making you waste any more time here if that is what you wish.

But be aware you're creating a dangerous situation for the DC on Sotha. You rally them with your presence but in your absence they lack spirit and lose fortitude. The dethrone this past evening occurred just after midnight central time while DC was still at three bars, yet only halfheartedly defending after your departure. Perhaps there is a bit of fatalism in their mindset, but it is troubling regardless. The majority of the AD in this campaign, I regret to say, are not superior combatants. But still they continue to fight whether the odds are stacked against them or not. Surely you and the other DC defenders at Ash racked up several hundred thousand AP in the process, even as Bashu dutifully served his faction retaking home keeps. Capturing emp early in the day, raking in scads of alliance points, and logging as the dethrone approaches -- I see you have learned well the teachings of Daniel. But this approach will steel your opponents and fuel their hatred against the faction as a whole even as you may abandon it. Most of the AD you fight are regulars on the campaign and will stay long after you and your mercenaries have gone. Despite our best efforts we all know they cannot control themselves as their enemies falter and dwindle in numbers. And thus the vicious cycle continues.

Machete

Here is the deal in my honest opinion. DC takes the map in the afternoon before prime time, AD takes it at night. This thread alone has been shut down so many times because of naming and shaming. There is a lot of tension between the player bases of AD and DC in this campaign.

Honestly is there a way to fix this? No one likes getting zerged down by number x3 greater then their own. Be it AD, EP or DC. The only people who enjoy this are organized groups and guilds.

The biggest problem isn't that this campaign is a flip and flop of emps based on the time of day, but that literally EVERY faction just gives up soon as they are pushed off the ring, leaving the dominant faction to push home keep in desperate look for fights.

Further, not all players are CP 750+ in Sotha, which means some of the players don't remember Chillrend, Azuras, Wabbajack, and Auriel's Bow. Trying to talk sense into them is aggravating as they don't wanna listen. I just want a damned campaign with constant fights.

And let's be honest. Lord knows that when Midyear ends, the population in Cyrodiil server wide is gonna drop like a bad habit.

Again, just my thoughts wrote down on paper. Take it with a grain of salt.

mike.eso

Oh damn y’all gone and messed up bad if machete is posting in here.

Some of us like getting zerged down mr machete! Don’t scare away my zergs. Some of us also wonder why we only ever seem to have one sock these days.

Zander I saw you post up there too, you can’t hide forever.

To the rest of you...I got nothin.

edges_endgame

Mikmak wrote: »

Oh damn y’all gone and messed up bad if machete is posting in here.

Some of us like getting zerged down mr machete! Don’t scare away my zergs. Some of us also wonder why we only ever seem to have one sock these days.

Zander I saw you post up there too, you can’t hide forever.

To the rest of you...I got nothin.

Zander is back from THE trip...while you...pull a mikmak...again. Zap is back btw.

On topic: AD zergs.

Machete

Lmao @Mikmak sometimes socks get separated in the wash. The will be a reunion one day

DamianDemonist

I wouldn't be surprised If AD did fold from losing Emp. Before Fengrush even came onto Sotha AD had number of times manage to get pop lock before the event, if AD can't deal with Fengrush and his fans pop locking DC than its more to do with AD's fault. Also Fengrush is right with AD nightcapping for Emp, last Weekned on Eastern Australian Time AD were two bars for whole night camping on Emp keeps and trying to take scrolls while DC and EP were at one bar.

This was taken before the event AD somehow can manage to bring those numbers. To me it seems like AD never wanted to do a fair fight to begin with.

edges_endgame

DamianDemonist wrote: »

This was taken before the event AD somehow can manage to bring those numbers. To me it seems like AD never wanted to do a fair fight to begin with.

This.


AD and DC 3 bars, AD comes straight for Arrius with the whole faction, EP had no scrolls. I mean...I am starting to believe that you WANT to kill NPC's only. And that you LIKE chasing one player with 20 people.

Can any AD maybe speak up and explain, because it is really tiresome and frustrating.

Heimpai

edges_endgame wrote: »

DamianDemonist wrote: »

This was taken before the event AD somehow can manage to bring those numbers. To me it seems like AD never wanted to do a fair fight to begin with.

This.


AD and DC 3 bars, AD comes straight for Arrius with the whole faction, EP had no scrolls. I mean...I am starting to believe that you WANT to kill NPC's only. And that you LIKE chasing one player with 20 people.

Can any AD maybe speak up and explain, because it is really tiresome and frustrating.

Who knows, they don’t like fighting DC cuz DC has more numbers than EP..so i guess that’s the answer

Kartalin

Heimpai wrote: »

edges_endgame wrote: »

DamianDemonist wrote: »

This was taken before the event AD somehow can manage to bring those numbers. To me it seems like AD never wanted to do a fair fight to begin with.

This.


AD and DC 3 bars, AD comes straight for Arrius with the whole faction, EP had no scrolls. I mean...I am starting to believe that you WANT to kill NPC's only. And that you LIKE chasing one player with 20 people.

Can any AD maybe speak up and explain, because it is really tiresome and frustrating.

Who knows, they don’t like fighting DC cuz DC has more numbers than EP..so i guess that’s the answer

I suspect this is true as well. When faced with dethroning DC there's always a group that seems to be doing something else somewhere, usually up EP's side of the map even when they're trying to help AD with the dethrone.

FENGRUSH

Kartalin wrote: »

@FENGRUSH

I tagged you and was complimentary twice and got no response, but a criticism without a tag receives a reply. Interesting. I shall attempt to refrain from making you waste any more time here if that is what you wish.

But be aware you're creating a dangerous situation for the DC on Sotha. You rally them with your presence but in your absence they lack spirit and lose fortitude. The dethrone this past evening occurred just after midnight central time while DC was still at three bars, yet only halfheartedly defending after your departure. Perhaps there is a bit of fatalism in their mindset, but it is troubling regardless. The majority of the AD in this campaign, I regret to say, are not superior combatants. But still they continue to fight whether the odds are stacked against them or not. Surely you and the other DC defenders at Ash racked up several hundred thousand AP in the process, even as Bashu dutifully served his faction retaking home keeps. Capturing emp early in the day, raking in scads of alliance points, and logging as the dethrone approaches -- I see you have learned well the teachings of Daniel. But this approach will steel your opponents and fuel their hatred against the faction as a whole even as you may abandon it. Most of the AD you fight are regulars on the campaign and will stay long after you and your mercenaries have gone. Despite our best efforts we all know they cannot control themselves as their enemies falter and dwindle in numbers. And thus the vicious cycle continues.

I dont come on forums too much and avoid posting a lot. I was in the middle of working on finding a video so.. just responded to the details of some discord thing. Its tied to what I'm seeing a lot of - and that is negativity on this issue when I'm streaming.

I can do pretty much any other ESO content on stream and there won't be an issue. But getting involved in the campaign has led to a lot of trash talking and negativity pouring through my stream. All in all, I was just stopping in to say this is mostly a wasted effort. The campaign was like this before I arrived, there is no reason it won't stay that way if that is what the opponent wants. I dont know any guilds on AD other than TM, and even they are defending through the day AD night cap emps. If the only good guild over there is going to do that - there isnt much room to improve this situation as far as Im concerned. DR has been respectful on EP side, and they play well and dethrone DC emp with the others ... no issue there.

So why be concerned or worry about changing people that have clearly made it clear their intentions on how this will play out? You are not wrong in what you said @kartalin about DC and me giving them a push - but I dont think its dangerous. Im not building any false hope here or anything. What else is there really though? Not enough DC or EP and AD will literally hold emp for periods of days or weeks at a time?

squidprojectb14_ESO

I can do pretty much any other ESO content on stream and there won't be an issue. But getting involved in the campaign has led to a lot of trash talking and negativity pouring through my stream. All in all, I was just stopping in to say this is mostly a wasted effort. The campaign was like this before I arrived, there is no reason it won't stay that way if that is what the opponent wants. I dont know any guilds on AD other than TM, and even they are defending through the day AD night cap emps. If the only good guild over there is going to do that - there isnt much room to improve this situation as far as Im concerned. DR has been respectful on EP side, and they play well and dethrone DC emp with the others ... no issue there.

All factions zerg. I get this. AD does sleazy things like day/night cap / emp when everyone else has low pop. I get that too. AD zone chat hates me / thinks i'm a DC spy because i have spent so much time trying to explain that their behavior is detrimental to the campagin. They're pugs who will never learn so i've mostly given up--I just switch to EP now when AD is overpopped.

This being said I think you underestimate DC's tendency to faction stack on you. AD might zerg, but they are never ever stacked that densely. When your zerg rolls up, there are so many entities around me that my controls freeze up and I lose, again, by lag alone. Not that I wouldn't lose by the corresponding AOE / CC ball of death anyway. So please understand that this is where the negativity comes from. Yes AD zergs, but it's nothing like what we face against you. Not that i'm blaming you or think it's your fault or trying to give you any grief whatsoever (hence the no tag). It kinda goes along with your status, which is unfortunate because it makes the game pretty much unplayable.

edges_endgame

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

I can do pretty much any other ESO content on stream and there won't be an issue. But getting involved in the campaign has led to a lot of trash talking and negativity pouring through my stream. All in all, I was just stopping in to say this is mostly a wasted effort. The campaign was like this before I arrived, there is no reason it won't stay that way if that is what the opponent wants. I dont know any guilds on AD other than TM, and even they are defending through the day AD night cap emps. If the only good guild over there is going to do that - there isnt much room to improve this situation as far as Im concerned. DR has been respectful on EP side, and they play well and dethrone DC emp with the others ... no issue there.

All factions zerg. I get this. AD does sleazy things like day/night cap / emp when everyone else has low pop. I get that too. AD zone chat hates me / thinks i'm a DC spy because i have spent so much time trying to explain that their behavior is detrimental to the campagin. They're pugs who will never learn so i've mostly given up--I just switch to EP now when AD is overpopped.

This being said I think you underestimate DC's tendency to faction stack on you. AD might zerg, but they are never ever stacked that densely. When your zerg rolls up, there are so many entities around me that my controls freeze up and I lose, again, by lag alone. Not that I wouldn't lose by the corresponding AOE / CC ball of death anyway. So please understand that this is where the negativity comes from. Yes AD zergs, but it's nothing like what we face against you. Not that i'm blaming you or think it's your fault or trying to give you any grief whatsoever (hence the no tag). It kinda goes along with your status, which is unfortunate because it makes the game pretty much unplayable.

Thing is...once Feng moves on, so does his fans. AD stays. And it definitely is not just the pugs doing questionable things. It is pretty much always the same people defending Farra or KC.

squidprojectb14_ESO

Thing is...once Feng moves on, so does his fans. AD stays. And it definitely is not just the pugs doing questionable things. It is pretty much always the same people defending Farra or KC.

For sure. Trust me though, they are pugs.

edges_endgame

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

Thing is...once Feng moves on, so does his fans. AD stays. And it definitely is not just the pugs doing questionable things. It is pretty much always the same people defending Farra or KC.

For sure. Trust me though, they are pugs.

Disagree. It is #2-20 in the AD scoreboard nightcapping, defending Trikeeps, name it.

squidprojectb14_ESO

edges_endgame wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

Thing is...once Feng moves on, so does his fans. AD stays. And it definitely is not just the pugs doing questionable things. It is pretty much always the same people defending Farra or KC.

For sure. Trust me though, they are pugs.

Disagree. It is #2-20 in the AD scoreboard nightcapping, defending Trikeeps, name it.

You know as well as I do that that placement reflects nothing more than time they have to spend in-game.

Not only does their behavior define them as pugs, but they put invite codes in zone and pick up whomever. So they are, quite literally, pugs.

edges_endgame

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

edges_endgame wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

Thing is...once Feng moves on, so does his fans. AD stays. And it definitely is not just the pugs doing questionable things. It is pretty much always the same people defending Farra or KC.

For sure. Trust me though, they are pugs.

Disagree. It is #2-20 in the AD scoreboard nightcapping, defending Trikeeps, name it.

You know as well as I do that that placement reflects nothing more then time they have to spend in-game.

Not only does their behavior define them as pugs, but they put invite codes in zone and pick up whomever. So they are, quite literally, pugs.

Not going to argue with you. I think we both have valid points but I assure you, people that come on these forums claiming this and that are as much guilty of zerging on AD and gatecamping than they claim not to be.

I dunno how often I saw them in the middle of a huge yellow blop at Arrius when EP had no scrolls and then have the guts to complain about getting “zerged“ I admit if you are only zerging and never had to actually learn to play...it feels like getting zerged when a small group of actual skilled players rolls over you.

It makes me giggle.

esotoon

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

This being said I think you underestimate DC's tendency to faction stack on you. AD might zerg, but they are never ever stacked that densely. When your zerg rolls up, there are so many entities around me that my controls freeze up and I lose, again, by lag alone.

As an AD player you may have never experienced that before on Sotha, but let me assure you there are many times when the AD Zerg roles up at a keep, when they are that stacked and we do get the disconnects, the skills not going off, the bar not swapping, etc. It might not be quite as bad or as consistent but it is there. And yes, it is frustrating.


I've played almost daily on Sotha for a year now (at various times of the day/night). There is one truth I've come to accept. Every faction zergs. Every faction 'night caps'. Every faction at some time in the (24 hour) day will have numbers that dominate the other factions, whether it's 20 v 5 or poplock v 2 bars. There are players who have no problem with any of these issues. There are players who deliberately go out of their way to 'annoy' their opposing factions by doing these things. And there are people on all factions who stoically believe their faction never does any wrong and it's always those other guys.

I've come to the conclusion there is no stopping this, and debating it is pointless (which is the reason I've stopped posting as much here) because...

a) You are up against a game that does nothing to balance populations/skill levels.

b) You are never in a position to talk to everyone who plays on Sotha, let again get a consensus of opinion on what is/isn't acceptable. The number of people who read this forum is a drop in an ocean compared to the number of people who play on Sotha over the course of a single campaign, yet alone over the lifetime of the game.

c) Worst of all, you are up against human nature.

The only thing any of us can do is control our own behaviour. Think gate camping is wrong? Don't do it. Want the population balanced? Then role some other characters and switch to the other factions for a while, or switch campaigns to go help balance a different one. And no matter how frustrating it is, don't use the actions of other players (behaviour that you disagree with), to justify your own negative actions.

squidprojectb14_ESO

esotoon wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

This being said I think you underestimate DC's tendency to faction stack on you. AD might zerg, but they are never ever stacked that densely. When your zerg rolls up, there are so many entities around me that my controls freeze up and I lose, again, by lag alone.

As an AD player you may have never experienced that before on Sotha, but let me assure you there are many times when the AD Zerg roles up at a keep, when they are that stacked and we do get the disconnects, the skills not going off, the bar not swapping, etc. It might not be quite as bad or as consistent but it is there. And yes, it is frustrating.


I've played almost daily on Sotha for a year now (at various times of the day/night). There is one truth I've come to accept. Every faction zergs. Every faction 'night caps'. Every faction at some time in the (24 hour) day will have numbers that dominate the other factions, whether it's 20 v 5 or poplock v 2 bars. There are players who have no problem with any of these issues. There are players who deliberately go out of their way to 'annoy' their opposing factions by doing these things. And there are people on all factions who stoically believe their faction never does any wrong and it's always those other guys.

I've come to the conclusion there is no stopping this, and debating it is pointless (which is the reason I've stopped posting as much here) because...

a) You are up against a game that does nothing to balance populations/skill levels.

b) You are never in a position to talk to everyone who plays on Sotha, let again get a consensus of opinion on what is/isn't acceptable. The number of people who read this forum is a drop in an ocean compared to the number of people who play on Sotha over the course of a single campaign, yet alone over the lifetime of the game.

c) Worst of all, you are up against human nature.

The only thing any of us can do is control our own behaviour. Think gate camping is wrong? Don't do it. Want the population balanced? Then role some other characters and switch to the other factions for a while, or switch campaigns to go help balance a different one. And no matter how frustrating it is, don't use the actions of other players (behaviour that you disagree with), to justify your own negative actions.

I agree with most of this. I guess all I can say is i've never seen AD faction stack the way DC does on Feng. I've seen them take 2-3 full raids to pvd a keep, sure, but this is still nothing compared to what DC is doing now. I admit and accept that me never having seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I pretty much always switch to EP whenever AD starts taking keeps north of Ash and BRK.

Kartalin

Off topic but why tf is this thread so far on the campaign forums? I know weird things happen when posts are deleted but is the forums code made by the same people that coded the game?