Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

DamianDemonist

I remember when DC used to the most zergest faction in Sotha, that was last year. The only Medicine that happened was the one where AD pumped themselves full of steroids and became the biggest zerg and the very thing they hated before. I wasn't even on in Sotha when the scroll thing happened but I did check the map and pop. If it is true that AD couldn't put scroll into water properly that is just shameful, almost as shamefull as two bar AD lost Emp and pushed to gates by two bar DC while EP were asleep. Also I thought it was agreed last year that people stop zerging the map so we can keep the population balanced, I don't like logging onto a map as the only person so that I have to be forced to goto 15 frames in Vivec.

Brazilionaire

Heimpai wrote: »

Floobs wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Wow, AD can't even troll scrolls right. The one they dropped it into the river last night was fished out of the water by DC... AD took L's all day yesterday.

Too bad you’re in second by about 20k..taking that L all campaign i see

Hey, speaking of Ls, don't drop your burst combo on a guy who's blocking. Just keep Cloaking over and over and wait for me to drop block next time, maybe you'll get a W!

Thanks for the info I’m almost on my 3rd month of this game so my knowledge isn’t up to par, especially since this is my first mmo

As for the other guy, i don’t play as often as I’d like..a dead campaign isn’t fun..i just found it funny you’d mention anything about scrolls when you guys were bragging about what good swimmers you are

I almost forgot, you guys were bragging about the last couple of campaigns but now it’s sad when you get a dose of your own medicine?

I can tell you're new to PVP/ESO/MMOs by how much you care about the campaign score. Some like Cyrodiil for its PVE content, i.e. PVDooring, killing guards, night capping, running scrolls when there's no one else online. Others enjoy actual PVP (player vs player if you don't know what that stands for) and often have toons across all three factions bc they simply don't care about getting a golden ring of alessian order or whatever. Instead who's looking to PVP only wants other players to fight.
Try playing any other faction for a week and you'll learn more than you can imagine.

PS: don't complain about spin-to-win "meta" when you're playing a stamblade.

Heimpai

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Floobs wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Wow, AD can't even troll scrolls right. The one they dropped it into the river last night was fished out of the water by DC... AD took L's all day yesterday.

Too bad you’re in second by about 20k..taking that L all campaign i see

Hey, speaking of Ls, don't drop your burst combo on a guy who's blocking. Just keep Cloaking over and over and wait for me to drop block next time, maybe you'll get a W!

Thanks for the info I’m almost on my 3rd month of this game so my knowledge isn’t up to par, especially since this is my first mmo

As for the other guy, i don’t play as often as I’d like..a dead campaign isn’t fun..i just found it funny you’d mention anything about scrolls when you guys were bragging about what good swimmers you are

I almost forgot, you guys were bragging about the last couple of campaigns but now it’s sad when you get a dose of your own medicine?

I can tell you're new to PVP/ESO/MMOs by how much you care about the campaign score. Some like Cyrodiil for its PVE content, i.e. PVDooring, killing guards, night capping, running scrolls when there's no one else online. Others enjoy actual PVP (player vs player if you don't know what that stands for) and often have toons across all three factions bc they simply don't care about getting a golden ring of alessian order or whatever. Instead who's looking to PVP only wants other players to fight.
Try playing any other faction for a week and you'll learn more than you can imagine.

PS: don't complain about spin-to-win "meta" when you're playing a stamblade.

The fact that you even bring that up lmao..don’t worry i was thinking about joining the spin to win meta..it’s the only thing you do

And pvp is used in shooters too, I’m not an idiot

If the campaign doesn’t matter why are you here? And why did you waste your time fishing the scroll out of the water? To make sure you don’t lose to EP? you say it doesn’t matter but you still waste your time on that...?

gabriebe

Well Sotha is fun when DC and EP fight each other. At least you get relatively balanced fights.

Downside is AD can just camp Nikel and Sej for the whole evening with 30 people on each porch and never push anything else,or get pushed.

Seriously though, anyone playing AD in Sotha should reconsider whether or not PvP is something that interests them.

Heimpai

gabriebe wrote: »

Well Sotha is fun when DC and EP fight each other. At least you get relatively balanced fights.

Downside is AD can just camp Nikel and Sej for the whole evening with 30 people on each porch and never push anything else,or get pushed.

Seriously though, anyone playing AD in Sotha should reconsider whether or not PvP is something that interests them.

Yeah the numbers have been lame, i went to bed early on my weekend so I’d wake up earlier just to see..and it started off fun but after a few losses the other alliances start to log. DC had 3 bars before AD and EP but they don’t stay on long enough for it to amount to much..

Then it’s basically no fights till much later

gabriebe

DC and EP need better leadership, tbh. We should stop attacking each other until AD is back to a manageable population, plain and simple. But we basically just keep attacking each other in that Chal/Aleswell corridor while AD sits on their keeps, so anytime we get a large group to Nik, or Sej, nothing else is ever lit on the map, so not only do we get spotted early, we get the entire server pop to respond. And AD's got nothing better to do anyway than sit on their keeps all night.

Stridig

I couldn't believe the wave of yellow that came to take back Roe mine. I felt bad for them.

Brazilionaire

Heimpai wrote: »

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Floobs wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Wow, AD can't even troll scrolls right. The one they dropped it into the river last night was fished out of the water by DC... AD took L's all day yesterday.

Too bad you’re in second by about 20k..taking that L all campaign i see

Hey, speaking of Ls, don't drop your burst combo on a guy who's blocking. Just keep Cloaking over and over and wait for me to drop block next time, maybe you'll get a W!

Thanks for the info I’m almost on my 3rd month of this game so my knowledge isn’t up to par, especially since this is my first mmo

As for the other guy, i don’t play as often as I’d like..a dead campaign isn’t fun..i just found it funny you’d mention anything about scrolls when you guys were bragging about what good swimmers you are

I almost forgot, you guys were bragging about the last couple of campaigns but now it’s sad when you get a dose of your own medicine?

I can tell you're new to PVP/ESO/MMOs by how much you care about the campaign score. Some like Cyrodiil for its PVE content, i.e. PVDooring, killing guards, night capping, running scrolls when there's no one else online. Others enjoy actual PVP (player vs player if you don't know what that stands for) and often have toons across all three factions bc they simply don't care about getting a golden ring of alessian order or whatever. Instead who's looking to PVP only wants other players to fight.
Try playing any other faction for a week and you'll learn more than you can imagine.

PS: don't complain about spin-to-win "meta" when you're playing a stamblade.

The fact that you even bring that up lmao..don’t worry i was thinking about joining the spin to win meta..it’s the only thing you do

And pvp is used in shooters too, I’m not an idiot

If the campaign doesn’t matter why are you here? And why did you waste your time fishing the scroll out of the water? To make sure you don’t lose to EP? you say it doesn’t matter but you still waste your time on that...?

Wow, you really don't get it? I'll try to go slower...
I can't lose to EP, I play on EP.
I can't lose to DC, I play on DC.
My main is an AD, I never get a chance to play it because AD has been over-populated for months.
Last night I grabbed both EP scrolls, one of them I returned to EP... I literally took it to Arrius front door and died there. They don't matter to me, what matters to me is that there's pvp going on in the map.
When AD paints the map yellow (always because of numbers, never because of skill), people on both EP and DC get demotivated and start logging.

People have been saying that Fengrush will push for emp next cycle. If that happens, he'll single-handedly get DC to pop-lock whenever he's on and AD will get farmed. Most ADs will either quit, cry in the forums or roll a DC. I, for one, will not partake in that type of zerging. Which means I'll probably play mostly EP next campaign.

Maybe even AD... who knows? We could even group up and I could teach how to play the spin-to-win meta. And you can teach me how to dodge cancel your dodge-roll animation.

PS: if you didn't get the joke, try looking up "animation cancelling" on youtube. It's a real thing and not considered cheating or macro. But dodge cancelling your dodge-roll animation would mean you're dodge rolling non-stop and not doing anything else, classic AD stamblade move.

Heimpai

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Floobs wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Wow, AD can't even troll scrolls right. The one they dropped it into the river last night was fished out of the water by DC... AD took L's all day yesterday.

Too bad you’re in second by about 20k..taking that L all campaign i see

Hey, speaking of Ls, don't drop your burst combo on a guy who's blocking. Just keep Cloaking over and over and wait for me to drop block next time, maybe you'll get a W!

Thanks for the info I’m almost on my 3rd month of this game so my knowledge isn’t up to par, especially since this is my first mmo

As for the other guy, i don’t play as often as I’d like..a dead campaign isn’t fun..i just found it funny you’d mention anything about scrolls when you guys were bragging about what good swimmers you are

I almost forgot, you guys were bragging about the last couple of campaigns but now it’s sad when you get a dose of your own medicine?

I can tell you're new to PVP/ESO/MMOs by how much you care about the campaign score. Some like Cyrodiil for its PVE content, i.e. PVDooring, killing guards, night capping, running scrolls when there's no one else online. Others enjoy actual PVP (player vs player if you don't know what that stands for) and often have toons across all three factions bc they simply don't care about getting a golden ring of alessian order or whatever. Instead who's looking to PVP only wants other players to fight.
Try playing any other faction for a week and you'll learn more than you can imagine.

PS: don't complain about spin-to-win "meta" when you're playing a stamblade.

The fact that you even bring that up lmao..don’t worry i was thinking about joining the spin to win meta..it’s the only thing you do

And pvp is used in shooters too, I’m not an idiot

If the campaign doesn’t matter why are you here? And why did you waste your time fishing the scroll out of the water? To make sure you don’t lose to EP? you say it doesn’t matter but you still waste your time on that...?

Wow, you really don't get it? I'll try to go slower...
I can't lose to EP, I play on EP.
I can't lose to DC, I play on DC.
My main is an AD, I never get a chance to play it because AD has been over-populated for months.
Last night I grabbed both EP scrolls, one of them I returned to EP... I literally took it to Arrius front door and died there. They don't matter to me, what matters to me is that there's pvp going on in the map.
When AD paints the map yellow (always because of numbers, never because of skill), people on both EP and DC get demotivated and start logging.

People have been saying that Fengrush will push for emp next cycle. If that happens, he'll single-handedly get DC to pop-lock whenever he's on and AD will get farmed. Most ADs will either quit, cry in the forums or roll a DC. I, for one, will not partake in that type of zerging. Which means I'll probably play mostly EP next campaign.

Maybe even AD... who knows? We could even group up and I could teach how to play the spin-to-win meta. And you can teach me how to dodge cancel your dodge-roll animation.

PS: if you didn't get the joke, try looking up "animation cancelling" on youtube. It's a real thing and not considered cheating or macro. But dodge cancelling your dodge-roll animation would mean you're dodge rolling non-stop and not doing anything else, classic AD stamblade move.

I’m cool with that, I’d make a dc and ep toon but i don’t like grinding so I’m waiting for an xp event whenever that is..i do agree with the map part since i don’t have other toons i usually log or go afk

I thought you were serious about that last part, that i was actually doing it without knowing that i was ._. I didn’t know the dodge roll cancelling was a thing..

mursie

Stamsorc / Frostden - ready to roll AD
magblade / magdk - ready to roll EP
stamblade/stamdk/stamden/magplar healbot - ready to roll DC

get your alts up - ride against the tide!

Heike

I logged my DC toon yesterday and rolled into Sotha, just to check it out. I ran with TM for an hour, and then picked up some pugs for another hour later on.

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

I hadn’t played on DC, since the days of Braidas and Subtomik, and I certainly wouldn’t when Fengrush’s zerg is on again, but I had a good time.

@mursie @esotoon I looked for you both.
@Kartalin I had a blast with Patches. lol

I think if DC had more pop on during primetime, there would be amazing fights.

Thanks to those DC players who allowed me to hang out. Good times.

D0RID0RI240

If, perhaps half of a bar of the three bar pop of AD that zerged down every last thing in Sotha yesterday afternoon would reroll to..say EP, the campaign would be much more balanced. Don't roll DC though, we like our low pop tyvm. Also shout out to the not to be named Shor AD guild that shoowed up once AD had 30 plus running through DCs south gate. I see you are no better playing noCP than in Shor.

Campaign reset in a few hours!

Brazilionaire

Heike wrote: »

I logged my DC toon yesterday and rolled into Sotha, just to check it out. I ran with TM for an hour, and then picked up some pugs for another hour later on.

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

I hadn’t played on DC, since the days of Braidas and Subtomik, and I certainly wouldn’t when Fengrush’s zerg is on again, but I had a good time.

@mursie @esotoon I looked for you both.
@Kartalin I had a blast with Patches. lol

I think if DC had more pop on during primetime, there would be amazing fights.

Thanks to those DC players who allowed me to hang out. Good times.

No idea what you're talking about. Every time I log on to my AD, you guys always make me feel right at home and even trust me with your scrolls!

On a separate note, great fights at Arrius Mine yesterday... tons of fun and AP fighting AD and EP. Shout out to Scy who cut a video of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sygmrYqrZSs&feature=youtu.be

mursie

Heike wrote: »

I logged my DC toon yesterday and rolled into Sotha, just to check it out. I ran with TM for an hour, and then picked up some pugs for another hour later on.

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

I hadn’t played on DC, since the days of Braidas and Subtomik, and I certainly wouldn’t when Fengrush’s zerg is on again, but I had a good time.

@mursie @esotoon I looked for you both.
@Kartalin I had a blast with Patches. lol

I think if DC had more pop on during primetime, there would be amazing fights.

Thanks to those DC players who allowed me to hang out. Good times.

Ironically - @fengrush 's zerg, while significant, eventually succombs to the one true zerg god of AD. AD numbers are staggering. And that siege - wow! The siege warfare of AD is top notch.

Heike

mursie wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

I logged my DC toon yesterday and rolled into Sotha, just to check it out. I ran with TM for an hour, and then picked up some pugs for another hour later on.

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

I hadn’t played on DC, since the days of Braidas and Subtomik, and I certainly wouldn’t when Fengrush’s zerg is on again, but I had a good time.

@mursie @esotoon I looked for you both.
@Kartalin I had a blast with Patches. lol

I think if DC had more pop on during primetime, there would be amazing fights.

Thanks to those DC players who allowed me to hang out. Good times.

Ironically - @fengrush 's zerg, while significant, eventually succombs to the one true zerg god of AD. AD numbers are staggering. And that siege - wow! The siege warfare of AD is top notch.

I was at Ash yesterday. I saw. I know it well; I’ve been on the other side of it. But that was 2 bars to 1, AD. I got mammoth hate tells for being there on DC. lol

That said, nothing beats Fengrush’s zerg. Nothing.

He’s only lost a seige to AD once, in the history of non-CP, and that was last week at Roe. And that was only because EP backdoored him.

With 20 DC guarding each postern (as they should) and 20/20 seige non-stop for an hour, with 200+ players at your command... yeah, that’s unstoppable. AD can’t match that.

And I have a feeling that he’ll Emp in Sotha now, and keep Emp. We’ll see.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Heike wrote: »

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

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I come from the eu server, and then for obvious reasons with a few cp I should play in sotha.
...without " organization " you intend to create a group of 20+ (like AD ) and zerging everything that moves or take keep with 2 defenders? ..or despite being in numerical superiority, wait for the enemies to fight with the guards to start the fight?

then yes, DC is not organized

Heike

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

I come from the eu server, and then for obvious reasons with a few cp I should play in sotha.
...without " organization " you intend to create a group of 20+ (like AD ) and zerging everything that moves or take keep with 2 defenders? ..or despite being in numerical superiority, wait for the enemies to fight with the guards to start the fight?

then yes, DC is not organized

Quite literally, I didn’t understand a word you just said, other than you PvP on the EU server.

Maybe go here?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366610/sotha-sil-eu-pc#latest

Miriel

Heike wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

I logged my DC toon yesterday and rolled into Sotha, just to check it out. I ran with TM for an hour, and then picked up some pugs for another hour later on.

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

I hadn’t played on DC, since the days of Braidas and Subtomik, and I certainly wouldn’t when Fengrush’s zerg is on again, but I had a good time.

@mursie @esotoon I looked for you both.
@Kartalin I had a blast with Patches. lol

I think if DC had more pop on during primetime, there would be amazing fights.

Thanks to those DC players who allowed me to hang out. Good times.

Ironically - @fengrush 's zerg, while significant, eventually succombs to the one true zerg god of AD. AD numbers are staggering. And that siege - wow! The siege warfare of AD is top notch.

I was at Ash yesterday. I saw. I know it well; I’ve been on the other side of it. But that was 2 bars to 1, AD. I got mammoth hate tells for being there on DC. lol

That said, nothing beats Fengrush’s zerg. Nothing.

He’s only lost a seige to AD once, in the history of non-CP, and that was last week at Roe. And that was only because EP backdoored him.

With 20 DC guarding each postern (as they should) and 20/20 seige non-stop for an hour, with 200+ players at your command... yeah, that’s unstoppable. AD can’t match that.

And I have a feeling that he’ll Emp in Sotha now, and keep Emp. We’ll see.

Fengrush does alot of good with his streaming, that should allways by pointed out and thanked... but you know as well as i do, that with those numbers, he should only play at Vivec... thats the only server we have a population that can challange full organiced raids, and there isnt much of a point in rolling empty maps... mostly couse the empty maps is low pop, or have new players that try to learn, or people are there couse they like small scale...

midgetfromtheshire

Heike wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

I logged my DC toon yesterday and rolled into Sotha, just to check it out. I ran with TM for an hour, and then picked up some pugs for another hour later on.

I have to admit, the zone chat was a bit quieter (and less toxic than AD’s), but there wasn’t as much organization, either.

I hadn’t played on DC, since the days of Braidas and Subtomik, and I certainly wouldn’t when Fengrush’s zerg is on again, but I had a good time.

@mursie @esotoon I looked for you both.
@Kartalin I had a blast with Patches. lol

I think if DC had more pop on during primetime, there would be amazing fights.

Thanks to those DC players who allowed me to hang out. Good times.

Ironically - @fengrush 's zerg, while significant, eventually succombs to the one true zerg god of AD. AD numbers are staggering. And that siege - wow! The siege warfare of AD is top notch.

I was at Ash yesterday. I saw. I know it well; I’ve been on the other side of it. But that was 2 bars to 1, AD. I got mammoth hate tells for being there on DC. lol

That said, nothing beats Fengrush’s zerg. Nothing.

He’s only lost a seige to AD once, in the history of non-CP, and that was last week at Roe. And that was only because EP backdoored him.

With 20 DC guarding each postern (as they should) and 20/20 seige non-stop for an hour, with 200+ players at your command... yeah, that’s unstoppable. AD can’t match that.

And I have a feeling that he’ll Emp in Sotha now, and keep Emp. We’ll see.

Poplocked AD v 1 bar DC/EP. For the past couple of months. Pretty sure that beats it.

Aliyavana

As my first sotha campaign and after reading several posts here it seems that the faction imbalance swings between factions pretty often. I feel that the scroll trolling is sorta not worth getting mad over anymore as long as faction loyalty campaigns do not exist and zos stance on it seems to be meh. Also got a few hate tells for zerg surfing but small scale doesn't really exist on ad pvp as far as I know. Coordinated tbagging from a someone's group was a bit irritating at first but now I take it as a "better luck next time" type thing and just find it humorous. I just miss my old battleground que times before the new mmr system was added and sotha is my only way to enjoy no cp pvp without the long que times.

Anyways, I enjoy fighting the more experienced dc and ep players whom I cannot name due to the naming policies in the forums as I can only get better fighting players better than I am.

Brazilionaire

Aliyavana wrote: »

As my first sotha campaign and after reading several posts here it seems that the faction imbalance swings between factions pretty often. I feel that the scroll trolling is sorta not worth getting mad over anymore as long as faction loyalty campaigns do not exist and zos stance on it seems to be meh. Also got a few hate tells for zerg surfing but small scale doesn't really exist on ad pvp as far as I know. Coordinated tbagging from a someone's group was a bit irritating at first but now I take it as a "better luck next time" type thing and just find it humorous. I just miss my old battleground que times before the new mmr system was added and sotha is my only way to enjoy no cp pvp without the long que times.

Anyways, I enjoy fighting the more experienced dc and ep players whom I cannot name due to the naming policies in the forums as I can only get better fighting players better than I am.

If you really care about the campaign and faction loyalty, you'll zerg. You can call it zerg riding, coordinated group, or whatever but at the end of the day you'll be where the zerg is at to work towards your campaign objectives. There's no getting around it.

Small scale exists on any faction. I agree that it's harder to pull it off on AD as the map is mostly yellow all the time. But often times you see a yellow resource flipping far away from the ring keeps and it's a group of 3 or 4 trying to get good fights.

My only comment on your suggestions and views is that, and I say this with all due respect, you should probably try to play other factions before forming an opinion. Scroll trolling is a reaction to how AD behaves, it doesn't usually happen between DC and EP. Some zones are way more toxic than others. Some factions are heavier on bowtards than others. So on and so forth.

PS: coordinated tbagging is our trademark. If someone else did it to you, I would love to know who that was

Miriel

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

As my first sotha campaign and after reading several posts here it seems that the faction imbalance swings between factions pretty often. I feel that the scroll trolling is sorta not worth getting mad over anymore as long as faction loyalty campaigns do not exist and zos stance on it seems to be meh. Also got a few hate tells for zerg surfing but small scale doesn't really exist on ad pvp as far as I know. Coordinated tbagging from a someone's group was a bit irritating at first but now I take it as a "better luck next time" type thing and just find it humorous. I just miss my old battleground que times before the new mmr system was added and sotha is my only way to enjoy no cp pvp without the long que times.

Anyways, I enjoy fighting the more experienced dc and ep players whom I cannot name due to the naming policies in the forums as I can only get better fighting players better than I am.

If you really care about the campaign and faction loyalty, you'll zerg. You can call it zerg riding, coordinated group, or whatever but at the end of the day you'll be where the zerg is at to work towards your campaign objectives. There's no getting around it.

Small scale exists on any faction. I agree that it's harder to pull it off on AD as the map is mostly yellow all the time. But often times you see a yellow resource flipping far away from the ring keeps and it's a group of 3 or 4 trying to get good fights.

My only comment on your suggestions and views is that, and I say this with all due respect, you should probably try to play other factions before forming an opinion. Scroll trolling is a reaction to how AD behaves, it doesn't usually happen between DC and EP. Some zones are way more toxic than others. Some factions are heavier on bowtards than others. So on and so forth.

PS: coordinated tbagging is our trademark. If someone else did it to you, I would love to know who that was

Being a AD player, and knowing the faction very well... iwe been here since alfa... At this point and for some time, AD might have numbers, but on all servers except Vivec, those numbers is for a massive part loose players that act alone, or team up through a PUG, at many time coordinated through zone chat or a temp discord... These PUG masses isnt easilly controled or organiced, they will flock towards where things happen... Alot of times you can have a full raid of AD that isnt even grouped, might be one or two small groups... Main problem is the lack of leaders

So... your dillemma here is... there is a huge difrence to a pug that converge by the need to want to play... and a organiced raid that actually changes server, then by CHOISE and planning flips the entire map...

mursie

Miriel wrote: »

Fengrush does alot of good with his streaming, that should allways by pointed out and thanked... but you know as well as i do, that with those numbers, he should only play at Vivec... thats the only server we have a population that can challange full organiced raids, and there isnt much of a point in rolling empty maps... mostly couse the empty maps is low pop, or have new players that try to learn, or people are there couse they like small scale...

I'll disagree with this statement only because of the following: He plays in a 12 man group max... and somewhat rogues a good bit doing his own thing with that 12 man crew. The other DC that are out there, while likely watching his stream, aren't organized in a comms with him listening to specific actions. Yes - he does give some direction over stream but I would imagine it isn't nearly as coordinated as the AD raids that take place out there in Sotha. I think the AD sotha population should be more than up for the task of challenging his crew. If he keeps streaming out there, I plan to play AD and fight against it. would be fun.

All that said, I've never to date played against his DC movement. Maybe I'm under-estimating how much of a zerg it feels like compared to the AD behemoth i've seen for months.

Miriel

mursie wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Fengrush does alot of good with his streaming, that should allways by pointed out and thanked... but you know as well as i do, that with those numbers, he should only play at Vivec... thats the only server we have a population that can challange full organiced raids, and there isnt much of a point in rolling empty maps... mostly couse the empty maps is low pop, or have new players that try to learn, or people are there couse they like small scale...

I'll disagree with this statement only because of the following: He plays in a 12 man group max... and somewhat rogues a good bit doing his own thing with that 12 man crew. The other DC that are out there, while likely watching his stream, aren't organized in a comms with him listening to specific actions. Yes - he does give some direction over stream but I would imagine it isn't nearly as coordinated as the AD raids that take place out there in Sotha. I think the AD sotha population should be more than up for the task of challenging his crew. If he keeps streaming out there, I plan to play AD and fight against it. would be fun.

All that said, I've never to date played against his DC movement. Maybe I'm under-estimating how much of a zerg it feels like compared to the AD behemoth i've seen for months.

Yes, and becouse of Fengrush knowing exactly this, and the fact that he leads through his stream as well... We are bleeding players, everyone that can take responsibility have to, flipping a entire map, thats defended by pugs or a few solo players isnt productive, all it does it makes player leave, He know, You know and i know, they cant fight a big organiced zerg like that... and ROFL stomp a map doesnt help, orgnaniced play belongs in Vivec...

The AD behemoth, is alot of new, old, and most of the time leaderless, if lucky there is a leader with a discord, but most of the time coordination is done with zone chat, and we know how well that usually ends...

Brazilionaire

Miriel wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Fengrush does alot of good with his streaming, that should allways by pointed out and thanked... but you know as well as i do, that with those numbers, he should only play at Vivec... thats the only server we have a population that can challange full organiced raids, and there isnt much of a point in rolling empty maps... mostly couse the empty maps is low pop, or have new players that try to learn, or people are there couse they like small scale...

I'll disagree with this statement only because of the following: He plays in a 12 man group max... and somewhat rogues a good bit doing his own thing with that 12 man crew. The other DC that are out there, while likely watching his stream, aren't organized in a comms with him listening to specific actions. Yes - he does give some direction over stream but I would imagine it isn't nearly as coordinated as the AD raids that take place out there in Sotha. I think the AD sotha population should be more than up for the task of challenging his crew. If he keeps streaming out there, I plan to play AD and fight against it. would be fun.

All that said, I've never to date played against his DC movement. Maybe I'm under-estimating how much of a zerg it feels like compared to the AD behemoth i've seen for months.

Yes, and becouse of Fengrush knowing exactly this, and the fact that he leads through his stream as well... We are bleeding players, everyone that can take responsibility have to, flipping a entire map, thats defended by pugs or a few solo players isnt productive, all it does it makes player leave, He know, You know and i know, they cant fight a big organiced zerg like that... and ROFL stomp a map doesnt help, orgnaniced play belongs in Vivec...

The AD behemoth, is alot of new, old, and most of the time leaderless, if lucky there is a leader with a discord, but most of the time coordination is done with zone chat, and we know how well that usually ends...

Nope, completely inaccurate. AD is the faction that has the most number of so called organized groups. If you look at last campaign, here are the big guilds that consistently played on Sotha:

DC: Bashu's, Kore
EP: Aftermath, Hyponic's guild (SK?)
AD: IV, IotE, Purple Legion (Zazaki's group), RoB

Those are the ones I could remember off the top of my head. I'm sure I missed more AD guilds though. All of these guilds have been around for a while.

IMO, these AD groups not only contribute to the population imbalance we've seen past campaigns but they also promote faction stacking. It's not unusual to see them show up at ASH or BRK together with insane numbers. If AD is actually bleeding players because of Fengrush, that's the one good thing he's doing for Sotha...

Miriel

Brazilionaire wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Fengrush does alot of good with his streaming, that should allways by pointed out and thanked... but you know as well as i do, that with those numbers, he should only play at Vivec... thats the only server we have a population that can challange full organiced raids, and there isnt much of a point in rolling empty maps... mostly couse the empty maps is low pop, or have new players that try to learn, or people are there couse they like small scale...

I'll disagree with this statement only because of the following: He plays in a 12 man group max... and somewhat rogues a good bit doing his own thing with that 12 man crew. The other DC that are out there, while likely watching his stream, aren't organized in a comms with him listening to specific actions. Yes - he does give some direction over stream but I would imagine it isn't nearly as coordinated as the AD raids that take place out there in Sotha. I think the AD sotha population should be more than up for the task of challenging his crew. If he keeps streaming out there, I plan to play AD and fight against it. would be fun.

All that said, I've never to date played against his DC movement. Maybe I'm under-estimating how much of a zerg it feels like compared to the AD behemoth i've seen for months.

Yes, and becouse of Fengrush knowing exactly this, and the fact that he leads through his stream as well... We are bleeding players, everyone that can take responsibility have to, flipping a entire map, thats defended by pugs or a few solo players isnt productive, all it does it makes player leave, He know, You know and i know, they cant fight a big organiced zerg like that... and ROFL stomp a map doesnt help, orgnaniced play belongs in Vivec...

The AD behemoth, is alot of new, old, and most of the time leaderless, if lucky there is a leader with a discord, but most of the time coordination is done with zone chat, and we know how well that usually ends...

Nope, completely inaccurate. AD is the faction that has the most number of so called organized groups. If you look at last campaign, here are the big guilds that consistently played on Sotha:

DC: Bashu's, Kore
EP: Aftermath, Hyponic's guild (SK?)
AD: IV, IotE, Purple Legion (Zazaki's group), RoB

Those are the ones I could remember off the top of my head. I'm sure I missed more AD guilds though. All of these guilds have been around for a while.

IMO, these AD groups not only contribute to the population imbalance we've seen past campaigns but they also promote faction stacking. It's not unusual to see them show up at ASH or BRK together with insane numbers. If AD is actually bleeding players because of Fengrush, that's the one good thing he's doing for Sotha...

To my knowledge most of the bigger orgs AD side had their home in Vivec, the only "bigger" AD guild i know of that been fighting no-cp is TM, and their to my knowledge never a full raid, their numbers is usually 10-15, but perhaps @Kartalin can shed some light on this... im Willow by the way

I shall admit i havent played in Sotha for some time, and the no orgs or pugs is mostly said for Shor... But regardless by choise entering a server by intent to flip it, while the other side is low pop, is counter productive, and yes ALL sides done it... its why i again say, ALL people that can, and do lead need to take responsibility, they KNOW that people will follow...

And again Fengrush does alot of good when he stream, iwe tanked him, but flipping empty maps, like he did Shor a a week or two back, is no responsible, considring the shape PvP is in... that said, every one is free to play as they like, but fact is we are bleeding players, and ROFL stomp maps is just making new players leave...

Thats a fact that you cant change no matter how much you want to point to ***, i yell at AD as well, help me instead of making excuses

Kartalin

Hey @Miriel

TM has been playing DC on Sotha for almost 2 weeks now. Since the summerset patch we found a lot of our guildmates were having trouble staying connected in Vivec so we'd been looking for other options lately. Unfortunately in Shor and Sotha AD tends to dominate population wise during NA prime time when we play and the only other faction we have decently fleshed out characters in as a group is DC. We'd love to be playing our AD since we have better group composition there as far as players filling necessary roles as well as better guild participation, but here we are.

Times like last night where DC had strong numbers thanks to @FENGRUSH and his followers ultimately was a tough choice for us as far as which faction to play. I think we still evened things out a bit more by playing DC as opposed to AD, but I know there are AD that would beg to differ. Ideally if we had the option we might have played EP last night because after having some initial strength their population really tapered off as the evening continued. Most of our people have been pvping 3-4 years now and getting all of us to invest in leveling new characters, doing all/some of the guild skill lines again, etc is a pretty big challenge.

I'll admit it did feel a bit dirty helping emp Fengrush after all the times we've fought against him lol. I think we were the first group (all 9 of us) to push into Inner Alessia and start clearing when DC finally captured the keep.

Heike

Brazilionaire wrote: »

...here are the big guilds that consistently played on Sotha:

DC: Bashu's, Kore
EP: Aftermath, Hyponic's guild (SK?)
AD: IV, IotE, Purple Legion (Zazaki's group), RoB

As for AD:
RoB hasn’t run as a guild in 8 months, let alone it being large, when it DID run.

Zazaki’s group is 6 people.

IV were in Shor last campaign, and run in 2 groups of 8 right now.

IotE is the only large group in Sotha, and only run when Spoon gets on, later in the evening.

D0RID0RI240

You'll have to forgive when there are 4 of us at a resource and we see guild tags for all of the above in the 20 or so that come run us over. Your timestop/BOL weaving is impeccable, btw.

Brazilionaire

Heike wrote: »

Brazilionaire wrote: »

...here are the big guilds that consistently played on Sotha:

DC: Bashu's, Kore
EP: Aftermath, Hyponic's guild (SK?)
AD: IV, IotE, Purple Legion (Zazaki's group), RoB

As for AD:
RoB hasn’t run as a guild in 8 months, let alone it being large, when it DID run.

Zazaki’s group is 6 people.

IV were in Shor last campaign, and run in 2 groups of 8 right now.

IotE is the only large group in Sotha, and only run when Spoon gets on, later in the evening.

Com'on Heike, you can't be serious... All these groups run on Sotha when it matters, to push for emp and zerg the map down. Had these groups not played on Sotha, AD wouldn't have emp'd a single time last campaign. That's just a fact.

It's extremely hypocritical for AD to complain about Fengrush when he's only doing to them what they've been doing to EP and DC for the past few campaigns. I, for one, am playing my EP until DC gets less zergy. But Fengrush calling in his "orc army" and AD calling in guilds that main other campaigns in order to emp are equally pathetic to me.