ESO has a terrible first impression to new comer

Jade1986

MudcrabSammich wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

MudcrabSammich wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

@laced So basically if all MMORPG are boring at first, then no MMORPG should improve upon that disadvantage? Really? This is why American still can't have a woman president. "Since it has always been like that, why should we be better?" It's called "evolve", and that's how we should always thrive forward.

I would hope that in America, we elect people based upon their stance on issues, their ethics and their qualifications, among others, not upon their gender or race.
I wonder if the gamers in the OP actually do the quests.

We just elected somebody as president who was catastrophically inferior to his opponent in qualifications, was catastrophically inferior to his opponent on ethics, and whose stances on issues were entirely malleable.

So I don't think your hope is currently coming true.

Not getting into politics with you. I guess the majority disagreed with your opinion.

Im going to touch on this once. And only once, because clearly this is how disconnected you are from reality. Trump did not win the popular vote, so the majority actually were against him. Since you are not able to grasp that basic concept, anything else you say in future posts is completely meaningless.

Wifeaggro13

laced wrote: »

MudcrabSammich wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

MudcrabSammich wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

@laced So basically if all MMORPG are boring at first, then no MMORPG should improve upon that disadvantage? Really? This is why American still can't have a woman president. "Since it has always been like that, why should we be better?" It's called "evolve", and that's how we should always thrive forward.

I would hope that in America, we elect people based upon their stance on issues, their ethics and their qualifications, among others, not upon their gender or race.
I wonder if the gamers in the OP actually do the quests.

We just elected somebody as president who was catastrophically inferior to his opponent in qualifications, was catastrophically inferior to his opponent on ethics, and whose stances on issues were entirely malleable.

So I don't think your hope is currently coming true.

Not getting into politics with you. I guess the majority disagreed with your opinion.

Im going to touch on this once. And only once, because clearly this is how disconnected you are from reality. Trump did not win the popular vote, so the majority actually were against him. Since you are not able to grasp that basic concept, anything else you say in future posts is completely meaningless.

Most trump supporters are responsible for animation canceling and the pure DPS dynamics of this game lol.

Bhaal5

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Why is this now about american politics??

Because those who dont want the game to change want to shut the thread down as fast as possible.

And politics is the fastest way to do that.

Wow, i did not expect that response
But very true, wont be long now

Doctordarkspawn

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Why is this now about american politics??

Because those who dont want the game to change want to shut the thread down as fast as possible.

And politics is the fastest way to do that.

Wow, i did not expect that response
But very true, wont be long now

Pretty much. They cant win the discussion. So they want the discussion to end.

Doctordarkspawn

witchdoctor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Because those who dont want the game to change want to shut the thread down as fast as possible.

Um. The OP started the politics in post 11, by the way.

And if that well and truely offended you, you would have started sending in the mods well before this.

I dont even agree with the view he expressed. But even I know that it's a scapegoat at this point.

Bhaal5

I do believe the OP had a point and was valid, an points have been made in the first 3 pages, which also are valif and constructive.
Now its just repeating and lots and lots of salt thrown

JiKama

I understand why they may not like the game due to limited information from the start. The game really opens up if you make it to CP 160 and actually communicate with others who can help. I was helping 2 new players in Stonefalls killing world bosses. The mage said sorry I keep dying. The reason they died was the Ice staff they were using and they were heavy attacking. Which taunts the enemy. I crafted them some gear, good staves and 15k fir the beginner horse. All it takes is a little info from the start to get people into it.

ccfeeling

They are busy on nerfing nb

neverwalk

Elder Scroll games have a habit of not holding your hand, and i like that. I'll figure it out.

Pr0Skygon

Bhaal5 wrote: »

I do believe the OP had a point and was valid, an points have been made in the first 3 pages, which also are valif and constructive.
Now its just repeating and lots and lots of salt thrown

Yeah it was my mistake to be caught up with those negative attitudes. It''ll sad if this thread is shut down, since from the start, it's all about new comers and people who quit the game too early. Lesson learnt I suppose: Never try to persuade who is willing to understand.

Pr0Skygon

JiKama wrote: »

I understand why they may not like the game due to limited information from the start. The game really opens up if you make it to CP 160 and actually communicate with others who can help. I was helping 2 new players in Stonefalls killing world bosses. The mage said sorry I keep dying. The reason they died was the Ice staff they were using and they were heavy attacking. Which taunts the enemy. I crafted them some gear, good staves and 15k fir the beginner horse. All it takes is a little info from the start to get people into it.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Why is this now about american politics??

Because those who dont want the game to change want to shut the thread down as fast as possible.

And politics is the fastest way to do that.

Wow, i did not expect that response
But very true, wont be long now

Pretty much. They cant win the discussion. So they want the discussion to end.

You know right. I was angry at first, but now I'm just sad seeing how nothing will be done. New players will still have a rough time learning the game, if they decide to give, then comes the bad reviews. And in the time where reviews can pretty much "represent" products, ESO might never reach its full potential.

Note: ESO is now scored 66% on Steam, with 1000+ reviews, which is deemed mixed. That's not a pretty face for your game.

Motherball

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Note: ESO is now scored 66% on Steam, with 1000+ reviews, which is deemed mixed. That's not a pretty face for your game.

Hardly surprising, knowing how varied and fickle mmorpg fans are. Many players know how badly the game launched. 66% seems not so bad compared to what else is currently out there in this market, imo.

ArchMikem

Most of the Elder Scrolls fans started playing the game as soon as they could, which was years ago. Now I'm assuming all the new players that come in more recently don't have a clue about Elder Scrolls itself and were just hooked by the marketing and new content, or were expecting ESO to be a completely different kind of MMO than it actually is.

ZOS_KatP

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Zardayne

PlagueSD wrote: »

laced wrote: »

The problem is not the game, but the problem is the new kind of gamer now a days. They do not want, or do not even try to learn games, they expect to be spoon fed everything and anything right from the get go.

Nailed it!!!

This is exactly the case. After 20 yrs of MMOs I've finally threw in the towel (hopefully not permanently). Making everything so easy especially in the MMO genre nowadays is so mind numbingly boring..

ADarklore

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

JiKama wrote: »

I understand why they may not like the game due to limited information from the start. The game really opens up if you make it to CP 160 and actually communicate with others who can help. I was helping 2 new players in Stonefalls killing world bosses. The mage said sorry I keep dying. The reason they died was the Ice staff they were using and they were heavy attacking. Which taunts the enemy. I crafted them some gear, good staves and 15k fir the beginner horse. All it takes is a little info from the start to get people into it.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Why is this now about american politics??

Because those who dont want the game to change want to shut the thread down as fast as possible.

And politics is the fastest way to do that.

Wow, i did not expect that response
But very true, wont be long now

Pretty much. They cant win the discussion. So they want the discussion to end.

You know right. I was angry at first, but now I'm just sad seeing how nothing will be done. New players will still have a rough time learning the game, if they decide to give, then comes the bad reviews. And in the time where reviews can pretty much "represent" products, ESO might never reach its full potential.

Note: ESO is now scored 66% on Steam, with 1000+ reviews, which is deemed mixed. That's not a pretty face for your game.

66% is pretty high for just about anything with that many reviews. It's still 16% higher than 50/50... so clearly it's doing quite well.

Eshelmen

It is not the developers fault that new comers refuse to read. Sure, there are definite ways to go about by serving newcomers tutorials on a platter. But not in this game,nor any MMO I've ever played.

As diverse and expansive as MMOs are, one must not assume you can know everything about it from lvl 1. At some point, players should be held accountable for doing their own research, their own investigating. In return, from the minimized tutorial that ESO gives you, while researching ahead, you'll end up enjoying the game THAT much better, and probably be playing THAT much longer, which results in better value for your dollar spent.

Dubhliam

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Urza1234 wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Not everybody has to like this game. If ESO is not your type of game there is no amount of guidance that will change it. And not everybody likes MMOs to begin with.
The game shows you where the skills are and how to use them. If you still resort to spamming light attacks then you're simply not trying.

Thats a *** *** approach.

Are you seriously arguing that customer retention is entirely the responsibility of the customer? Please do the world around you a favor and never go into business.

No, I'm saying that people have different tastes. I will never go to a Bieber concert even if all the millions of fans came to my door to personally explain his greatness. Nor do I expect any of them to come with me to a Slayer concert.
If people come to ESO expecting Skyrim 2.0 they are going to be disappointed. Some may give it a serious try and find out they like it, and some won't.

Let's imagine playing ESO for the first 5 hours like you're buying a house. You want a fairly big house, and that's exactly what this house is. And that's all you now about this house. What you don't know about this house, is that there's several secret basement in the ground, which can be use for pretty much everything. A party room, a library, a gaming base, heck even a 50 Shades of Grey style of playroom. But you will never know about this, because they house dealer never tells you about this. So let me ask you, who's responsible for this lack of information. Is it you, the buyer? Or the house dealer, aka the seller?

You are not the only tenant in this large house.

It's your own damn problem if your associal ass doesn't ask them where do they hang out all the time.

Wifeaggro13

Zardayne wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

laced wrote: »

The problem is not the game, but the problem is the new kind of gamer now a days. They do not want, or do not even try to learn games, they expect to be spoon fed everything and anything right from the get go.

Nailed it!!!

This is exactly the case. After 20 yrs of MMOs I've finally threw in the towel (hopefully not permanently). Making everything so easy especially in the MMO genre nowadays is so mind numbingly boring..

exactly. i cant even play them anyomre. couple old scholl devs have some indie projects but will likely be unsucceful because they dont play ball with the money grubbing publishers anymore, corporate america ruined this genre . there is no development anymore its all about making the most money for as little effort as possible.

inthecoconut

OP speaks the truth. I'm a new player and this happened to me.

I tried the game in Beta and I couldn't.
Then there was some sort of "come back, we want you" free weekend event back in 2015 and I tried again. But I just barely made it off the tutorial island and quit.

My first impressions were:
"great, another hotbar game where I have a boring skill rotation. No depth. I guess I'll just kick things in the shin until stuff dies."

But I kept hearing from friends over the years how much they LOVED eso, and I just rolled my eyes and went back to playing Dark Souls. After hearing it enough times from enough people, I began to wonder if there was something wrong with me so I decided to buy it and play ONE LAST TIME to prove that there was something wrong with everyone else.

Now, its only been about a month, but I'm in love. Enough so that I bought the ESO Plus thing, and I am vehemently against subscriptions. I wont promise I'll be here a year later, but I'm not saying I wont be either. I don't care because right now I'm just having a blast.

I'm loving the resource management and surviving with only a few HP. Its so addicting to try and get better at playing.
I'm tickled every time I block an attack and follow up with a riposte to stun the enemy.
I love that so much can be acquired through achievements and playing the game. That is such a foreign concept lately in MMOs. "What do you mean I can get this cool armor/skin/pet from just playing the game? Don't I have to buy those things on the cash shop?" Ya, I know it still has one of those, but its very mild in comparison to Black Desert Online or Guild Wars 2.
I love the guilds, even if they are just extra fluff.

I'm sorry I dismissed this game so quickly, but to my credit I do feel like the game hides its depth and then does a poor job of explaining things. Thank goodness for Google, Add-on communities, and youtube guides.

Jade1986

inthecoconut wrote: »

OP speaks the truth. I'm a new player and this happened to me.

I tried the game in Beta and I couldn't.
Then there was some sort of "come back, we want you" free weekend event back in 2015 and I tried again. But I just barely made it off the tutorial island and quit.

My first impressions were:
"great, another hotbar game where I have a boring skill rotation. No depth. I guess I'll just kick things in the shin until stuff dies."

But I kept hearing from friends over the years how much they LOVED eso, and I just rolled my eyes and went back to playing Dark Souls. After hearing it enough times from enough people, I began to wonder if there was something wrong with me so I decided to buy it and play ONE LAST TIME to prove that there was something wrong with everyone else.

Now, its only been about a month, but I'm in love. Enough so that I bought the ESO Plus thing, and I am vehemently against subscriptions. I wont promise I'll be here a year later, but I'm not saying I wont be either. I don't care because right now I'm just having a blast.

I'm loving the resource management and surviving with only a few HP. Its so addicting to try and get better at playing.
I'm tickled every time I block an attack and follow up with a riposte to stun the enemy.
I love that so much can be acquired through achievements and playing the game. That is such a foreign concept lately in MMOs. "What do you mean I can get this cool armor/skin/pet from just playing the game? Don't I have to buy those things on the cash shop?" Ya, I know it still has one of those, but its very mild in comparison to Black Desert Online or Guild Wars 2.
I love the guilds, even if they are just extra fluff.

I'm sorry I dismissed this game so quickly, but to my credit I do feel like the game hides its depth and then does a poor job of explaining things. Thank goodness for Google, Add-on communities, and youtube guides.

You say you didnt want "another hotbar game" but you download add ons to make it just like every other mmo out there with a ton of clutter......What made ESO unique was its minimalistic approach toward the UI. Its nice to see you are into the game now, but you should never go into an mmo expecting it to have aspects from a single player emphasized game with pvp aspects.

inthecoconut

laced wrote: »

inthecoconut wrote: »

SNIP

You say you didnt want "another hotbar game" but you download add ons to make it just like every other mmo out there with a ton of clutter......What made ESO unique was its minimalistic approach toward the UI. Its nice to see you are into the game now, but you should never go into an mmo expecting it to have aspects from a single player emphasized game with pvp aspects.

I don't have any UI add-ons. I know those might be popular. My add-ons consists of a helmet on/off toggle, Inventory grid view (instead of the Skyrim list), and a inventory sub category so I can look through my crap more specifically. Simple quality-of-life improvements. Or at least I feel like they are improvements. Some people might prefer scrolling through one item at a time. I've also considered resource/lorebook locations but I figured that might be against the ToS.

And I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at gameplay from successful single player games as inspiration for MMOs. In fact, I wish more games WOULD look to games like Dark Souls, Witcher, Nier Automata, ect. for more dynamic and engaging combat. We're heading there, slowly.

Jade1986

inthecoconut wrote: »

laced wrote: »

inthecoconut wrote: »

SNIP

You say you didnt want "another hotbar game" but you download add ons to make it just like every other mmo out there with a ton of clutter......What made ESO unique was its minimalistic approach toward the UI. Its nice to see you are into the game now, but you should never go into an mmo expecting it to have aspects from a single player emphasized game with pvp aspects.

I don't have any UI add-ons. I know those might be popular. My add-ons consists of a helmet on/off toggle, Inventory grid view (instead of the Skyrim list), and a inventory sub category so I can look through my crap more specifically. Simple quality-of-life improvements. Or at least I feel like they are improvements. Some people might prefer scrolling through one item at a time. I've also considered resource/lorebook locations but I figured that might be against the ToS.

And I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at gameplay from successful single player games as inspiration for MMOs. In fact, I wish more games WOULD look to games like Dark Souls, Witcher, Nier Automata, ect. for more dynamic and engaging combat. We're heading there, slowly.

It just wouldnt work for an mmo. The lag would cause catostrophic problems with combat. I am completely against taking single player aspects and using them for an mmo. The combat in darksouls may be fast paced, but its monotonous AF.

bigelle.x3_ESO

As a newer player, parts of the game indeed put me off. The CP system is probably the biggest offender. Having to do such a monstrous grind for bonus passive stats is way too tedious. But if i don't do it, i'd be underperforming in practically all aspects of the game. The cp system simply does not retain players. Will i still be playing this game grinding cp to be on a more even footing with veteran players when destiny 2 or the plethora of other new games come out later this year? Who knows.

The crafting system is probably the worst i've ever seen. It takes 12 days to research for the clever alchemist set which is what i want to craft for pvp. That's just for one piece. You can research 3 pieces at a time but sets are 5 pieces. That's a month of not doing the content you want to do while counting down the minutes, hours, days, weeks before you can craft. And clever alchemist requires only 7 out of the 9 traits available. I dont even want to know the duration of the final two and feel bad for players who use 8 or 9 trait requirement crafted sets.

But wait! You can expedite the time gated stuff like researching and mount speed by buying items from the cash shop! Well that doesn't look good at all. Are the creators of one of the most popular and beloved rpg games in history really so strapped for cash that they need to make some aspects of the game so annoying just to shake down its players?

Back to the cp thing, i am primarily a pvp player. I do enjoy pve content but nothing is more fun to me in mmos than structured pvp. Being a newer player, theres an obvious disadvantage in terms of skill. Well when no cp battlegrounds became a thing you can imagine my excitement at playing it. I wouldnt be further penalized for being a lower cp player. The announcement that battlegrounds will be cp enabled in the upcoming patch really killed the drive for me to play it. Do i really want to grind for the next year so i can be more even versus other players? Isbit even worth it with an already small pvp population. No it is not, and, quite frankly, that's not how a competitive game mode works.

Aside from that the game has its good qualities. The combat is fast paced and fun which makes for excellent PvP. PvE content is challenging and entertaining, and the game stays true to everyone's favorite elder scrolls universe.

nimander99

Wait... This isn't Skyrim 2?!?!?!?!?!!!

Wreuntzylla

Eshelmen wrote: »

It is not the developers fault that new comers refuse to read. Sure, there are definite ways to go about by serving newcomers tutorials on a platter. But not in this game,nor any MMO I've ever played.

As diverse and expansive as MMOs are, one must not assume you can know everything about it from lvl 1. At some point, players should be held accountable for doing their own research, their own investigating. In return, from the minimized tutorial that ESO gives you, while researching ahead, you'll end up enjoying the game THAT much better, and probably be playing THAT much longer, which results in better value for your dollar spent.

Awesome viewpoint! ZoS should use that in its advertising!

Join ESO now!!! After your long day reading, researching and investigating at the lab, what could be better than returning to Tamriel to read, research and investigate our game! If you do a good job, in 6 months, you might even be able to compete at endgame! Disclaimer: We in no way guarantee your ability to compete after 6 months because we change the game every 6 months, but enjoy the ride!

Wreuntzylla

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

MudcrabSammich wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

MudcrabSammich wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

@laced So basically if all MMORPG are boring at first, then no MMORPG should improve upon that disadvantage? Really? This is why American still can't have a woman president. "Since it has always been like that, why should we be better?" It's called "evolve", and that's how we should always thrive forward.

I would hope that in America, we elect people based upon their stance on issues, their ethics and their qualifications, among others, not upon their gender or race.
I wonder if the gamers in the OP actually do the quests.

We just elected somebody as president who was catastrophically inferior to his opponent in qualifications, was catastrophically inferior to his opponent on ethics, and whose stances on issues were entirely malleable.

So I don't think your hope is currently coming true.

Not getting into politics with you. I guess the majority disagreed with your opinion.

Im going to touch on this once. And only once, because clearly this is how disconnected you are from reality. Trump did not win the popular vote, so the majority actually were against him. Since you are not able to grasp that basic concept, anything else you say in future posts is completely meaningless.

Most trump supporters are responsible for animation canceling and the pure DPS dynamics of this game lol.

So, I suppose you are against investigating election rigging by the Khajiit?

Eshelmen

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

It is not the developers fault that new comers refuse to read. Sure, there are definite ways to go about by serving newcomers tutorials on a platter. But not in this game,nor any MMO I've ever played.

As diverse and expansive as MMOs are, one must not assume you can know everything about it from lvl 1. At some point, players should be held accountable for doing their own research, their own investigating. In return, from the minimized tutorial that ESO gives you, while researching ahead, you'll end up enjoying the game THAT much better, and probably be playing THAT much longer, which results in better value for your dollar spent.

Awesome viewpoint! ZoS should use that in its advertising!

Join ESO now!!! After your long day reading, researching and investigating at the lab, what could be better than returning to Tamriel to read, research and investigate our game! If you do a good job, in 6 months, you might even be able to compete at endgame! Disclaimer: We in no way guarantee your ability to compete after 6 months because we change the game every 6 months, but enjoy the ride!

@Wreuntzylla
So you already have a job that easily preps you for all of this and you still complain? Hilarious!

Wreuntzylla

Eshelmen wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

It is not the developers fault that new comers refuse to read. Sure, there are definite ways to go about by serving newcomers tutorials on a platter. But not in this game,nor any MMO I've ever played.

As diverse and expansive as MMOs are, one must not assume you can know everything about it from lvl 1. At some point, players should be held accountable for doing their own research, their own investigating. In return, from the minimized tutorial that ESO gives you, while researching ahead, you'll end up enjoying the game THAT much better, and probably be playing THAT much longer, which results in better value for your dollar spent.

Awesome viewpoint! ZoS should use that in its advertising!

Join ESO now!!! After your long day reading, researching and investigating at the lab, what could be better than returning to Tamriel to read, research and investigate our game! If you do a good job, in 6 months, you might even be able to compete at endgame! Disclaimer: We in no way guarantee your ability to compete after 6 months because we change the game every 6 months, but enjoy the ride!

@Wreuntzylla
So you already have a job that easily preps you for all of this and you still complain? Hilarious!

I think you do a good idea of demonstrating the problem with society today. No empathy for others.

Pr0Skygon

ADarklore wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

JiKama wrote: »

I understand why they may not like the game due to limited information from the start. The game really opens up if you make it to CP 160 and actually communicate with others who can help. I was helping 2 new players in Stonefalls killing world bosses. The mage said sorry I keep dying. The reason they died was the Ice staff they were using and they were heavy attacking. Which taunts the enemy. I crafted them some gear, good staves and 15k fir the beginner horse. All it takes is a little info from the start to get people into it.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Why is this now about american politics??

Because those who dont want the game to change want to shut the thread down as fast as possible.

And politics is the fastest way to do that.

Wow, i did not expect that response
But very true, wont be long now

Pretty much. They cant win the discussion. So they want the discussion to end.

You know right. I was angry at first, but now I'm just sad seeing how nothing will be done. New players will still have a rough time learning the game, if they decide to give, then comes the bad reviews. And in the time where reviews can pretty much "represent" products, ESO might never reach its full potential.

Note: ESO is now scored 66% on Steam, with 1000+ reviews, which is deemed mixed. That's not a pretty face for your game.

66% is pretty high for just about anything with that many reviews. It's still 16% higher than 50/50... so clearly it's doing quite well.

I'd have to disagree. A game's score is deemed high on Steam when it's above 70%. When your score falls below 70%, it will get different colour mark.

Also, in the same genre, FF14 with 90% score just seems a lot sexier. Not talking about which game is better, I quit FF14 for ESO, but judging by its cover (yes people still judge a book by its cover), ESO is falling behind.