Should jumping during combat cost stamina?

Bhaal5

Running cost stamina, sneaking costs stamina, why doesnt jumping durning combat cost stamina?

ezeepeezee

Aside from my affinity for flower stomping, there is one serious consequence to this that you need to consider.

There are people who are very good at jumping from gap to gap on rock formations. They tend to get chased by people who are not. Those people chasing, after jumping a few times after missing the first time and trying to catch up, will be quickly dispatched when their stamina pool is drained from jumping.

This would be unpleasant to say the least.

Glory

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Consensus: stop.

Gilvoth

jumping should cost stamina at all times, not just in combat.

FakeFox

And with a ice staff equipped it should cost magicka!

Taylor_MB

When skills specifically designed for mobility (Refreshing Path) snare the caster on skill usage even though instant cast, jumping actually means you get a net gain of ground covered over its duration.

Also try picking out your target in a zerg when tab targeting doesn't work without jumping.

It's required and shouldn't cost stamina.

Drakkdjinn

Taylor_MB wrote: »

When skills specifically designed for mobility (Refreshing Path) snare the caster on skill usage even though instant cast, jumping actually means you get a net gain of ground covered over its duration.

Also try picking out your target in a zerg when tab targeting doesn't work without jumping.

It's required and shouldn't cost stamina.

Turelus

No, considering stamina is a resource pool for so much already I don't think it needs another cost added.

If they were to break dodges and jumps into a new pool then sure it could work.

Adernath

I am full in for a stamina cost.

Its not that people will not be able to jump anymore, bunnyhoppers will just have to adapt.

Unfortunately that question is similar to something like: "Should we increase tax rates?" most people will vote no because it would affect oneself in a negative way.

Taylor_MB

Adernath wrote: »

I am full in for a stamina cost.

Its not that people will not be able to jump anymore, bunnyhoppers will just have to adapt.

Unfortunately that question is similar to something like: "Should we increase tax rates?" most people will vote no because it would affect oneself in a negative way.

Yeah but taxes (theoretically) are used for the good of society, how would decreasing the amount people jump affect anyone else positively (or negatively)?

What net gain is there to be achieved from making jumping cost stamina?

Bhaal5

Adernath wrote: »

I am full in for a stamina cost.

Its not that people will not be able to jump anymore, bunnyhoppers will just have to adapt.

Unfortunately that question is similar to something like: "Should we increase tax rates?" most people will vote no because it would affect oneself in a negative way.

Pretty much

If anything can effect combat/targeting/etc shouldnt it have a "cost". To sneak up on a target, cost stam. To sprint away from combat, cost stam. Thought it a fair question that to bunnyhop to effect targeting, shouldnt it cost stam?

Adernath

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Yeah but taxes (theoretically) are used for the good of society, how would decreasing the amount people jump affect anyone else positively (or negatively)?

What net gain is there to be achieved from making jumping cost stamina?

It will provide a bit more unforgiving experience. Its hard to tell abstract on the forum but I think in the end the more skilled jumpers will benefit, in cases much jumping is required - similar to a cost in dodge rolling. If dodge rolling would cost nothing, imagine how the combat will look like?

Beardimus

Yeah man, let's stop this house of pain nonsense

Jade1986

It used to, dont know why it doesnt anymore.

generalmyrick

i learned 2/3s of you are jumpers! nice! :-) i don't but keep jumping! it helps me identify is squishy! :-)

CyrusArya

Since jumping is over performing by so much, why not just make it so jump is a regular skill instead of a basic mechanic like walking and simply existing.

Ability: Jump
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds.

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Morph 1: Bunny Hop
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds. Each consecutive bounce reduces the cost by 25%

---

Morph 2: Flawless Bounds
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds. If an affected pug is slain, summon one "nerf jumping" thread on the forums.

Jade1986

CyrusArya wrote: »

Since jumping is over performing by so much, why not just make it so jump is a regular skill instead of a basic mechanic like walking and simply existing.

Ability: Jump
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds.

---

Morph 1: Bunny Hop
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds. Each consecutive bounce reduces the cost by 25%

---

Morph 2: Flawless Bounds
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds. If an affected pug is slain, summon one "nerf jumping" thread on the forums.

I honestly would not be opposed to a jumping skill to increase your jump height. You know, like TES -USED- to have. ^-^

Zouni

Swimming should cost stamina also if that is the case.

SquareSausage

But why? It is not associated with any real benefits, sure its annoying, but what is the reason for making it cost stamina?

SugaComa

Yes ... And out of combat too ... But should have cost reduction under the dodge CP star

CatchMeTrolling

Yeah while we're at let's add weight to armor, instant death to meteors and stamina cost for doing heavy attacks with big ass greatswords

pieratsos

Yeah make jumping cost stamina. Apparently mobility hasnt been nerfed to sh*t already. Make jumping cost stamina so people can zerg those few solo players left even more.

IEatCivics

Looking left, right, up and down should cost magika because it's your toon's eyes, being controlled by it's brain, looking in a direction so they can do things such as jump and attack.

Svidrir

It should cost stamina because people use it because of a game flaw, to avoid area damage.

Defensive spells claim resources and as people jump to increase their defense it would be more than normal to spend stamina to jump.

In addition, the guys are ridiculous, this will avoid seeing herds of kangaroo in play ....





Elder scrolls of Kangaroos online .........

The other solution is that zenimax makes sure that the jumps do not protect the zone spells !! (best solution in my humble opinion)

Rainraven

CyrusArya wrote: »

Since jumping is over performing by so much, why not just make it so jump is a regular skill instead of a basic mechanic like walking and simply existing.

Ability: Jump
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds.

---

Morph 1: Bunny Hop
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds. Each consecutive bounce reduces the cost by 25%

---

Morph 2: Flawless Bounds
Cost: 2k stamina
Tooltip: Harness the power of muscular tension to thrust up off the ground, triggering up to 4 pugs for 10 seconds. If an affected pug is slain, summon one "nerf jumping" thread on the forums.

The_Protagonist

Zbigb4life

No reason at all to give juming stamina cost. Although I never jump (unless someone spooks me while I am travelling with my horse.

josh.lackey_ESO

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Running cost stamina, sneaking costs stamina, why doesnt jumping durning combat cost stamina?

No, it should cost ultimate.

grannas211

People that literally hop up and down the entire fight should have resource drain like the totem in ruins of mazzatun do to you.

Betsararie

Absolutely not.

Without question, one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

No offense intended, of course.

Ranger209

What if they were to reduce the stamina cost of dodge roll, break free, sprint, and all of the rest by a percentage so that all of the maneuvers that cost stamina with jump included still had the same overall cost. Just have jump take a percentage of each of the others and absorb that cost.

Crude Example:

sprint 1000 to 800
rolldodge 1000 to 800
block 1000 to 800
breakfree 1000 to 800
jump 0 to 800

total 4000 4000

This way for those who don't jump, bunny hop etc. it is actually a buff?