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zsban✭✭✭✭InvitationNotFound wrote: »I have a few theories...
@ZOS_GinaBruno could you at least stop with your "we don't disclose anything" policy when the issue has been fixed? I consider such information as quite important.
The problem is, if this WAS an intrusion or a player found exploit, if you tell people what it is it gives them a basis of testing parameters to break the code.
So if you have an electric fence and they tell you that there was a break in this specific area, but it was repaired, you investigate the circumstances of that break and the repeat attacks until success.
If you never know where that break was, you can't try to replicate it. It's a decent idea to obfuscate in these situations.
They may tell you privately if you have some need or ability to assist, but public sharing is not wise.
Security by obscurity is never a good tactic. It's just a matter of time until someone else finds a similar (yet unfixed) bug. Imho it's better to encourage people to test it on PTS and give rewards for ones who finds a new exploit. Reward that makes it worth sharing with ZOS instead of abusing it for personal gains.6 -
DBZVelena✭✭✭✭✭Been 2 hours now, lan over I guess. Sigh.
Alas, things happen. It could have just as easily been a total black out at your end. Or somebody forgot to pay the internet bill. It happens, re-schedule your LAN party, next time it might be a good idea to not schedule it right after a patch.What are Natch Potes? Can you eat those?
I believe in Genie-Gina.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭InvitationNotFound wrote: »I have a few theories...
@ZOS_GinaBruno could you at least stop with your "we don't disclose anything" policy when the issue has been fixed? I consider such information as quite important.
The problem is, if this WAS an intrusion or a player found exploit, if you tell people what it is it gives them a basis of testing parameters to break the code.
So if you have an electric fence and they tell you that there was a break in this specific area, but it was repaired, you investigate the circumstances of that break and the repeat attacks until success.
If you never know where that break was, you can't try to replicate it. It's a decent idea to obfuscate in these situations.
They may tell you privately if you have some need or ability to assist, but public sharing is not wise.
That is very insightful, i had not considered that. But its very possible then that they won't give us any info on this exploit even after its fixed.
We'll be left to speculate and wonder... bummer
In my opinion, the best handling of any game exploit is one that closes the loophole, keeps as many users as possible in the dark about the core nature of the exploit and reprimands OR compensates the users, depending on the situation.
Reprimand users that uses these exploits for personal gain and compensate users that help identify and fix the exploits before they are public knowledge.
Now, there are different levels of this though. If it is a player 'behavior' that is exploitative or toxic and not a broken game mechanic, then it's 100% appropriate to bring it in front of the public and discuss the consequential actions.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
TeIvanni✭✭✭✭This is cutting into my... "Kill Worm Cultists because they're technically mobs inside Ayleid ruins, but i highly doubt they will actually drop any furnishing plans, and the patch notes were vague AF as how to get them" time.-Telvanni
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SixVoltCar✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Guys, multiple guilds already reported that their bank was robbed.
Maybe it was a bug in the guild permissions that got escalated really fast, maybe it's a general exploit that came into being because of the patch in general.
Only the exploiters now. You can't expect to have the details in the open on day 1 on all public exploit boards. Probably not even on the private ones.
Where are the other reports on the other guilds I checked forums and don't see any
No no, they only reported those on the "private exploit forums". You're not in the know.1 -
DBZVelena✭✭✭✭✭InvitationNotFound wrote: »I have a few theories...
@ZOS_GinaBruno could you at least stop with your "we don't disclose anything" policy when the issue has been fixed? I consider such information as quite important.
The problem is, if this WAS an intrusion or a player found exploit, if you tell people what it is it gives them a basis of testing parameters to break the code.
So if you have an electric fence and they tell you that there was a break in this specific area, but it was repaired, you investigate the circumstances of that break and the repeat attacks until success.
If you never know where that break was, you can't try to replicate it. It's a decent idea to obfuscate in these situations.
They may tell you privately if you have some need or ability to assist, but public sharing is not wise.
Security by obscurity is never a good tactic. It's just a matter of time until someone else finds a similar (yet unfixed) bug. Imho it's better to encourage people to test it on PTS and give rewards for ones who finds a new exploit. Reward that makes it worth sharing with ZOS instead of abusing it for personal gains.
You're assuming people who would find the bug on PST would not be silent about it for personal gain. You like to believe all people are good and honest, don't ya.What are Natch Potes? Can you eat those?
I believe in Genie-Gina.0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭SixVoltCar wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »AcadianPaladin wrote: »Gina has a thread up on this in the Maintenance Announcements section - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366588/pc-mac-na-eu-downtime-8-16-10-40am-edt#latest
That said, not everyone looks there without a reason so I think having a thread here in General is a great idea.
That's why I did it. I wasn't just trying to be stupid or annoying.
It's ok. This can be a good place to chat in the meantime.
Gina, since CP is bugged can we please have a free refund of our CP. I ONLY put points in that tree because of Treasure Hunter, they are wasted if that does not work.
Lol is she viewed as some sort of genie? We're dealing with an unspeakable exploit here.
GenieBruno?
GinieBruno In a lamp
BEHOLD THE BRUNO LAMP in stores now! $999.99 Or 10 crowns.
Features:
Grants forum wishes
Responds with respect and VIGOOORRRRRRRRRRRR (Vigor only included if you PvP IRL)
Actually has powaaaa but never discloses it till its been implemented in a patch.
Likes so say "soon"
WARNING: Features may not be accurate and cost maybe a gross over estimation. Rated R for Rubbing. Parental advisory recommended.
Edited by xeNNNNN on August 16, 2017 5:07PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.14 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZoS are incompetent. That has been made clear many times in releasing content that is shamefully sold in an unfinished and untested stage.
The no deaths is a new exploit. The guild bank exploit has been around for some time. Like most players in ESO, you are IGNORANT until someone breast feeds you an exploit and this mainly only happens because the details are shared out of the 'circle' and some sheep squeals.
At no stage is ZOS on it or checking, or even testing the dung they release and charge a premium for. Every achievement and title has been exploited in ESO, some even multiple times as ZoS is incompetent to code in solutions they just band-aid fix it until an upcoming patch re-breaks it again.
Still denying the duping glitch recently?, i know ZoS forum sweepers deleted a lot but here is a pic to remind you of ONE player who is selling so much items are -60% of the market value so, like ZoS, if you state a re-seller then you are clearly incorrect.
http://imgur.com/a/AX9kf
ESO has never been competitive. It has been reduced to exploiting or been exploited and the 'team' at ZoS are not equipped to deal with any of it.
Dont be in such a rush to excuse totally incompetent actions.Edited by KingMagaw on August 16, 2017 5:08PM8 -
maryriv✭✭✭✭SixVoltCar wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »AcadianPaladin wrote: »Gina has a thread up on this in the Maintenance Announcements section - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366588/pc-mac-na-eu-downtime-8-16-10-40am-edt#latest
That said, not everyone looks there without a reason so I think having a thread here in General is a great idea.
That's why I did it. I wasn't just trying to be stupid or annoying.
It's ok. This can be a good place to chat in the meantime.
Gina, since CP is bugged can we please have a free refund of our CP. I ONLY put points in that tree because of Treasure Hunter, they are wasted if that does not work.
Lol is she viewed as some sort of genie? We're dealing with an unspeakable exploit here.
GenieBruno?
GinieBruno In a lamp
BEHOLD THE BRUNO LAMP in stores now! $999.99 Or 10 crowns.
Features:
Grants forum wishes
Responds with respect and VIGOOORRRRRRRRRRRR
Actually has powaaaa but never discloses it till its been implemented in a patch.
Likes so say "soon"
WARNING: Features may not be accurate and cost maybe a gross over estimation. Rated R for Rubbing. Parental advisory recommended.
Again, I am not asking for @ZOS_GinaBruno to personally make changes to the game. I am simply asking her to pass along that request, I think it is fairly obvious to most.1 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭SixVoltCar wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »AcadianPaladin wrote: »Gina has a thread up on this in the Maintenance Announcements section - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366588/pc-mac-na-eu-downtime-8-16-10-40am-edt#latest
That said, not everyone looks there without a reason so I think having a thread here in General is a great idea.
That's why I did it. I wasn't just trying to be stupid or annoying.
It's ok. This can be a good place to chat in the meantime.
Gina, since CP is bugged can we please have a free refund of our CP. I ONLY put points in that tree because of Treasure Hunter, they are wasted if that does not work.
Lol is she viewed as some sort of genie? We're dealing with an unspeakable exploit here.
GenieBruno?
GinieBruno In a lamp
BEHOLD THE BRUNO LAMP in stores now! $999.99 Or 10 crowns.
Features:
Grants forum wishes
Responds with respect and VIGOOORRRRRRRRRRRR
Actually has powaaaa but never discloses it till its been implemented in a patch.
Likes so say "soon"
WARNING: Features may not be accurate and cost maybe a gross over estimation. Rated R for Rubbing. Parental advisory recommended.
Again, I am not asking for @ZOS_GinaBruno to personally make changes to the game. I am simply asking her to pass along that request, I think it is fairly obvious to most.
lol relax I was just going overboard with a joke.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.3 -
Tumble outta bed and I stumble to the kitchen
Pour myself a cup of ambition
Yawn and stretch and try to come to life
Jump in the shower and the blood starts pumpin'
three clicks on the keys and the computer starts jumpin'
With folks like me online from 9 to 5
zergin' 9 to 5, i should be out makin a livin'
Barely gettin' by, it's all takin' and no givin'
They just use your mind and they never give you credit
It's enough to drive you crazy if you let it
9 to 5, for service and devotion
You would think that I would deserve a guild promotion
Want to move ahead but the eriboss won't seem to let me
takes me over cliffs I swear sometimes that man is out to get me!
They let you dream just to watch 'em shatter
You're just a step on the boss-man's ladder
But you got dreams he'll never take away
You're in the same boat with a lotta your friends
Waitin' for the day your ship'll come in
An' the tide's gonna turn and it's all gonna roll your way
Zergin' 9 to 5, i should be out makin a livin'
Barely gettin' by, it's all takin' and no givin'
They just use your mind and you never get the credit
It's enough to drive you crazy if you let it
9 to 5, yeah they got you where they want you
There's a better life, and you dream about it, don't you?
It's a rich man's game no matter what they call it
And you spend your life puttin' money in a zos wallet
9 to 5, whoa what a way to make a livin'
Barely gettin' by, it's all takin' and no givin'
They just use your mind and they never give you credit
that zerg will get you but only if you let it
9 to 5 were zergin 9 to 5
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZoS are incompetent.
Dont be in such a rush to excuse totally incompetent actions.
Well I mean I think any one of us that has been here since the beginning knows this. This game has been cheater's paradise since day 1 lol.
Doesn't mean they should be broadcasting how to cheat to the general public, should man up and handle the cheaters, for sure.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If only people would play on the PTS in order to find exploits and report them, rather than playing on the PTS in order to find exploits so they can keep quiet and use them the moment the update hits the Live servers we'd never have these problems in the first place.
I hope ZOS take as much time as is necessary to fix the problem, and tell us as little as is necessary about what the problem was. Most of us only have a passing curiosity in knowing what the exploit was, and the few that have a vested interest in knowing what it was shouldn't be told.5 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Sixsixsix161 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »it's probably not an exploit...i bet they have just found some other way to scam people out of their money
@stevepdodson_ESO888
Conspiracy much?
sitting here with my tin-foil hat on rocking slowly backwards and forwards in a corner right now
I cleaned my whole house, made my kids a big lunch so they can leave me alone, logged on to do some HM no death runs before the husband gets home and has to tell me all about his ships in his game when I'm trying to concentrate and servers go down...I'm wired for sound right now and have nothing to do but o.O o.O4 -
Devilhand✭✭✭Nebthet78, regarding your last post.
Ok. First of all, so far he seems to be the only one affected by this account hijacking... That could be related to a third party software that steals passwords or many things, not necessary related to a game malfunction or exploit.
Second of all, I DO NOT have anything personal against him, and thats why i've nice to him. Yet, that does not restrict me to say what I believe, which is very unlikely that ZOS decide to roll back BOTH megaservers because the one account god hijacked.
Third, every time they say servers will be taken down and leave the reason to imagination people panic. And this is what is happening now. They started with new dungeons achievements malfunction - bug, and now the main focus is on this topic. Thats why, like I said before on a reply to him: It is better to follor protocol and keep this kind of issues personally with ZOS support so they can investigate and the gates of hell are not open in forums, like now it's happening.
Personally, I dont have anything against him, but like I said, ZOS should have the ability to roll back his account if it was a hijack that bypass both security checks, and dont do it globally in two different servers. You all just assuming this IS related to the "exploit".
My logical mind thinks this is not the reason of the mantainance, for the lack of information we have.
You are in panic right now, but hey, there is absolutely nothing you can do now because servers are down. Lastly you are just assuming multiple accounts were hacked. When all he said was in the PAST 12 hours (to wide and far from an emergency shut down...), hes account was hijacked, and multiple people (they will have to check one by one of the "new" guild members) purged the guild bank, and hes baby warden was deleted. For me it's 1 account hijacked, and presumably multiple accounts stealing stuff. And if this is the case, why did it take ZOS +12 hours to take servers down?.
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »What is the exploit please @ZOS_GinaBruno ?
Due to the nature of the exploit, we aren't able to divulge any details. That said, you can rest assured that we will be fixing it, and any accounts found to be abusing it will be taken care of.
I hope those who get the No death / speed of Vhf won't get banned ... Cause it's not our fault if we get them once Vhf completed . And i won't accept to get banned simply because i have finished a dungeon that i have paid for.
btw, you can't say use the nature of the exploit , but can you say us if this is not about the Vhf achievement ?
People have been using Invis pots to speed run it.....So that's a thing I personally think should not be happening.
Why? Invis pots are part of the game.
We can always die. Does not make sense it's something in the game. It's ridiculous you can't in new dungeons. What next bosmer be passive or medium one not working? Using invsible pots is tatactics.Edited by Tasear on August 16, 2017 5:04PM3 -
neverwalk✭✭✭✭Hey ZOS, do i need to call my Lawyer. ZOS just THREATEN every ESO player by saying that they will take care of any account taking part in this BUG, yet you won't tell us what this exploit is so that players can stay away from EXPLOIT.Edited by neverwalk on August 16, 2017 5:14PM1 -
Lord_Wrath✭✭✭✭✭Zos' vagueness never ceases to amaze me.
Update from McDonalds:
"Hey, we have an update for you! Our ice cream machine is still down, and we will let you know when we have an idea when it will work again."
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✭✭✭✭Hey ZOS, do i need to call my Lawyer. ZOS just THREATEN every ESO player by saying that they will take care of any account taking part in this BUG, yet you won't tell us what this exploit so that players can stay away from EXPLOIT.
You go ahead and do that, I am sure your lawyer will be appreciative of your moneyGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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flubber77✭✭✭✭Hey ZOS, do i need to call my Lawyer. ZOS just THREATEN every ESO player by saying that they will take care of any account taking part in this BUG, yet you won't tell us what this exploit so that players can stay away from EXPLOIT.
no need to tell before they fix, again no need to wait, server is down and they are going to fix it before server is up again. why not tell? or why not just wait? your pick to make
eather way we will now whats the problem was sooner or later. Still a grudge, only to see false what u want and nothing less.1 -
Servo✭✭Hey ZOS, do i need to call my Lawyer. ZOS just THREATEN every ESO player by saying that they will take care of any account taking part in this BUG, yet you won't tell us what this exploit so that players can stay away from EXPLOIT.
Wow...I, I just don't know what to say to this.PRAISE BE TO THE FAT ORC!
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RadRzRg✭✭✭Hey ZOS, do i need to call my Lawyer. ZOS just THREATEN every ESO player by saying that they will take care of any account taking part in this BUG, yet you won't tell us what this exploit so that players can stay away from EXPLOIT.
Any exploit you use is considered against the terms of conduct. So you needn't worry about which exploit they are fixing,just which one,if any,YOU are using.LvL50 Stamina Templar(EP)
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Moved to Vivec
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Proud member of Streaking Sorcerers
Proud member of Astrum Tomatoes
Zergs should be zerged down by 1 man armies1 -
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✭✭Nobody knows what is going on til the maintenance is done. So stop speculating on what is or isn't going to happen.1 -
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Agree! Ran the gamut of calm yer tittenbooben to call a Doctor! Decided to post nothing xD2 -
Remag_Div✭✭✭✭✭If the rumors on what this exploit was is true then it's huge and absolutely warrants immediate downtime for a fix.3 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
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Agree! Ran the gamut of calm yer tittenbooben to call a Doctor! Decided to post nothing xD
The above bolded statement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ0s0KUUpxo
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
SixVoltCar✭✭✭Hey ZOS, do i need to call my Lawyer. ZOS just THREATEN every ESO player by saying that they will take care of any account taking part in this BUG, yet you won't tell us what this exploit so that players can stay away from EXPLOIT.
And your lawyer will tell you that the terms you agreed to upon creating your account included that they are permitted to block your access to their servers at will. All I see there is the telltale heart-- feeling guilty, are we?1
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