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Kilandros · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

OP

Elong · July 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Giahh wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Giahh wrote: »

Meta is Meta, they change all the time, but regardless of what the meta is the better players are still at the top EVERY SINGLE TIME, no new meta has ever come along that meant lesser quality players were suddenly on the top. I have seen this in every competitive E-Sport I have ever participated in or watched.

Players who are relics of the past are exactly that, their relevance in talk of current Meta or current stature in this game is lost to me?

Eh not quite. Better players may remain at the top but there is such a thing as lowering the ceiling and raising the floor, and that's precisely what's occurred in ESO pvp and that seems to be what

Too many people crutching on Meta shift as an excuse. We all know EOTF/Negate is the Go to for group bombings. The point remains the same. we all have access to the same tools. Some people just do it better. On a consistent basis so I don't really know what there is to complain about.

Take the last GvG as an example. Did K-Hole win the last GvG because the meta favoured them more? No they won because they were better. I have no doubt if you repeated that same GvG with the exact same teams in this meta the result would not change. Better guilds/players will constantly come out on top

The result is me dragging Elong Trumpetbar by his ankles out of Bruma and into the snow, taking off my belt, and lashing him across his back. For his meta 8 man DKs, templars, wardens, and Minney & Mickey Mouse that camped that town.

Even though you all descended upon me in unison like rabid animals in heat Elong, I still managed to gouge one of your wardens' eyes out and send his soul on its way.

What a random outburst! Trumpetbar hahaha.

At least you can count, most DC tell me we have 20 up there!

It's not my guild by the way, it's Love Den which belongs to Aillen, I'm merely a sweep spammer for the cause.

Joy_Division · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

Memories of bombard spam ... ugh

I get a little sad when I see names from these videos that I don't see anymore

Nivellan · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

Negates, banners, leaps, dawnbreakers, etc good times. Useless ults bois. Zone control and baiting, actual fighting outside of ult dumps. Being aggressive isn't punished or rewarded based on whether or not you hit your R button before your opponent.

Sanct16 · July 2017

This is organised GvG fights tho. if you'd do that nowadays it wouldn't look much different.

Vilestride · July 2017

Nivellan wrote: »

Negates, banners, leaps, dawnbreakers, etc good times. Useless ults bois. Zone control and baiting, actual fighting outside of ult dumps. Being aggressive isn't punished or rewarded based on whether or not you hit your R button before your opponent.

Sure some other cool ults, the game was more fun ect ect. But give k-hole Negates and destro ult and they will still win that GvG 9/10 times because they move better, they predict better, they have better group composition and they're more coordinated. You can not like a meta all you want. Of course. Point is that it little to 0 effect on the skill gap.

If you don't think baiting ults and controlling territory are still relevant strategies, well maybe those are areas you and your group need to work on

. I know they are 2 things we are always working to improve. I look forward to more good fights.

Rin_Senya · July 2017

Satiar wrote: »

Destro ult and VD absolutely changed the game. Good bombers like Crispen Longbow or Sneaky, etc., put out damage by themselves that it used to take a raid to do. Anyone who says that didn't change the game drastically gets the side eye from me.

There's more to winning than dumping destros but facts is facts. High burst damage used to be a team sport, now it's not. EoTS being a dumbly designed ult doesn't help tho. ZoS deliberately removed mitigation tools and added huge damage modifiers into the game. It is what it is.

I think you misunderstood my point a little bit^^ I"m not arguing with the fact that desro ulti is op and broken and I 100% agree with this:

Joy_Division wrote: »

Desro ulti totally changed things. Before it was pretty much a decent magblade tether + proc that had to be timed correctly that could put damage that could wipe a group by themselves. Now even inexperienced players can put on clever alch + VD on any magicka class and put out crazy damage just by moving.

While I would agree only 2-3 guilds stuck around, I don't think it was because they were the only ones who adapted. Rather a lot of old players thought the game and group fights were so dumbed down they rather do something different so there has been a lot of attrition.

I don't know how any of the devs could possibly play this game every night and be proud of the present Cyrodiil they have made. They either don't, aren't competitive, or are just apathetic.

It's sad to see what stage to this game came to but it was a inevitable imo. ZOS have been destroying PVP every patch trying to "fix it".
What I'm saying tho is that even in current stage of PVP I still don't see the point of perma complaining about destro ulties and saying that there is no point to do GVGs anymore or going opposite side of the map away from your own faction trying to create your own fights because of 'destro's'.

Nivellan · July 2017

Giahh wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

Negates, banners, leaps, dawnbreakers, etc good times. Useless ults bois. Zone control and baiting, actual fighting outside of ult dumps. Being aggressive isn't punished or rewarded based on whether or not you hit your R button before your opponent.

Sure some other cool ults, the game was more fun ect ect. But give k-hole Negates and destro ult and they will still win that GvG 9/10 times because they move better, they predict better, they have better group composition and they're more coordinated. You can not like a meta all you want. Of course. Point is that it little to 0 effect on the skill gap.

If you don't think baiting ults and controlling territory are still relevant strategies, well maybe those are areas you and your group need to work on . I know they are 2 things we are always working to improve. I look forward to more good fights.

If we can agree that K-hole are skilled players and a fine group we can agree that the destro meta is bad. Just cause you're a top group in the meta it's not an assault on your own skill when people say the meta is bad and takes less skill than before. Let's be honest here. You're not baiting any raid to drop all their ults on you and then turning on them like in the video. Why? Cause you're not going to run into 10 destro's. There's a difference between I can go here and it's putting me at a disadvantage, but I can turn the tables quickly with a variety of ult combinations... and I absolutely can't go here because I'll die. Some people prefer constant engagements that have a purpose other than building ult. It's hard to see in the video, but in the RAGE vs. K-Hole fight there were a few matches where each side went through multiple negates and banners to gain the upper hand. You won't get that these days. I'll admit movement is more key to survival now, but it was before destro ult. I felt there was a nice balance and with destro we're no where near that.

The leader of K-Hole denounced destro meta long ago btw. There were several good groups running and they didn't quit because they couldn't adapt. They quit cause it's boring and they didn't like it. This isn't an e-sport game, and I'll tell you no one gives a damn if you're any good at this game.

Rin_Senya · July 2017

Nivellan wrote: »

If we can agree that K-hole are skilled players and a fine group we can agree that the destro meta is bad.

We said like 10 times already that desrto is a bad meta

can we please move on now?

ty!

Nivellan wrote: »

Just cause you're a top group in the meta it's not an assault on your own skill when people say the meta is bad and takes less skill than before.

Mmmmm no. If it's so easy and less skill as you say then why I don't see like 20 different decent size groups that are op and can faceroll Cyrodiil everyday using destros? There are a lot of different guilds still playing this game but I can name you only 3-4 that are actually still competitive (including both NA and EU PC servers). The rest just run with destros like monkeys in front of their own faction zerg or die like flies as soon as they meet any kind of good opposition on their way.

Nivellan wrote: »

This isn't an e-sport game, and I'll tell you no one gives a damn if you're any good at this game.

Idk personally I try to be as best as I can at any things I do, even if it’s just an online game. And I also care about how people around me play because I personally find it interesting and fun. But mb it's just me

If you don’t care at all then idk why you even posting here tbh

Elong · July 2017

K Hole were the best guild I've ever fought against.

End of.

Magıc · July 2017

Elong wrote: »

K Hole were the best guild I've ever fought against.

End of.

Decent.

Vilestride · July 2017

Elong wrote: »

K Hole were the best guild I've ever fought against.

End of.

End of...The long list of best guild you've ever fought against?

More videos soon guys.

ks888 · July 2017

Can't talk about K-Hole heyday without some Lyric vids. ;-P Killing peeps to Disney tunes.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=y66b_1IRvRA

Huggelz · July 2017

Nivellan just come play with us bby and damm look at the diversity in that GvG video, I wonder if they are all wearing plague doctor Kappa

Dark_Star · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

man those were the good days

Huggelz · July 2017

Dark_Star wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

man those were the good days

from cubbies to cubbies, from ults to ults. let us never forget the good days of ESO

BraidasNM · July 2017

Dark_Star wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

man those were the good days

its funny cause we called those days *** and missed 1.5, and in 1.5 we called it *** and missed pre-lighting patch (before half the players quit)

Elong · July 2017

Giahh wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

K Hole were the best guild I've ever fought against.

End of.

End of...The long list of best guild you've ever fought against?

More videos soon guys.

I've played since beta, I've been in top guilds, fought against top guilds.

K Hole were the best.

Rin_Senya · July 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

K Hole were the best guild I've ever fought against.

End of.

Decent.

Not sure that he got your point, Kiso

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · July 2017

Huggelz wrote: »

Nivellan just come play with us bby and damm look at the diversity in that GvG video, I wonder if they are all wearing plague doctor Kappa

Nah cause plague didn't exist back then

Also doesn't really seem like you can see 'diversity' from this vid, Everyone apart from stamina guy using proxy and then bursting with all dawnbreakers+tethers etc was a fairly standard tactic back then, throw in the odd support ulti for some variety (as is also done now).

but yeh GvG fights are always nice to do, we (banana squad at the time) wished we could have organised one on PTS even with the latency difference but we couldn't get our chars copied at the same time as NA $:\$

Elong · July 2017

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

K Hole were the best guild I've ever fought against.

End of.

Decent.

Not sure that he got your point, Kiso

I didn't to be honest?

MaximillianDiE · July 2017

[quote="Nivellan;c-4301057"
It is a source of sadness to me that pretty much all the good players left in the game gathered into small guilds and small groups and gave up playing for the map beyond defending the occasional keep and zergsurfing. Tis the state of the game serverwide and I do not like it. [/quote]

Dark_Star wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

man those were the good days

Someone got the second GvG. Will see if I can track it down. First one was much more competitive though - we didn't lose a single player in the second one while Rhage gave us a run for our money in that first one.

BraidasNM · July 2017

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

[quote="Nivellan;c-4301057"
It is a source of sadness to me that pretty much all the good players left in the game gathered into small guilds and small groups and gave up playing for the map beyond defending the occasional keep and zergsurfing. Tis the state of the game serverwide and I do not like it.

That's kind of inevitable; has happened in every mmo I've played. I've learned to be nice to good enemies cause you'll probably end up playing with them if you both stick around long enough xD

Dark_Star · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

Dark_Star wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

man those were the good days

its funny cause we called those days *** and missed 1.5, and in 1.5 we called it *** and missed pre-lighting patch (before half the players quit)

right? xD

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

[quote="Nivellan;c-4301057"
It is a source of sadness to me that pretty much all the good players left in the game gathered into small guilds and small groups and gave up playing for the map beyond defending the occasional keep and zergsurfing. Tis the state of the game serverwide and I do not like it.

Dark_Star wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

found the first gvg from azoi's perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAXEyAYbA0&t=1064s

idk if anyone recorded the second gvg but i'd like to watch it if its out there

man those were the good days

Someone got the second GvG. Will see if I can track it down. First one was much more competitive though - we didn't lose a single player in the second one while Rhage gave us a run for our money in that first one.[/quote]

wasn't it Karamis that was streaming it on twitch?

Nivellan · July 2017

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Huggelz wrote: »

Nivellan just come play with us bby and damm look at the diversity in that GvG video, I wonder if they are all wearing plague doctor Kappa

Nah cause plague didn't exist back then

Also doesn't really seem like you can see 'diversity' from this vid, Everyone apart from stamina guy using proxy and then bursting with all dawnbreakers+tethers etc was a fairly standard tactic back then, throw in the odd support ulti for some variety (as is also done now).

but yeh GvG fights are always nice to do, we (banana squad at the time) wished we could have organised one on PTS even with the latency difference but we couldn't get our chars copied at the same time as NA $:\$

negate, banner, barrier, warhorn, leap, tether, dawnbreaker, and nova that I can just see in the vid. I know there were remembrances and veils by at least one of the teams there. That's at least 4-5 more ulti's than you'd get today just from that vid not including remembrance and veil.

Satiar · July 2017

I miss clutch Veils.

stealthyevil · July 2017

While everyone bickers about who is better, I just watch these vids and remember how good clouding swarm was. ZOS why did you give us an entirely new skill when all we wanted was a fix to being revealed while in clouding swarm ? Y u do dis. Give me the real clouding swarm back and the destro meta will end.

Publius_Scipio · July 2017

stealthyevil wrote: »

While everyone bickers about who is better, I just watch these vids and remember how good clouding swarm was. ZOS why did you give us an entirely new skill when all we wanted was a fix to being revealed while in clouding swarm ? Y u do dis. Give me the real clouding swarm back and the destro meta will end.

Somewhere, Fixate just got a tingle up his leg.

Elong · July 2017

stealthyevil wrote: »

While everyone bickers about who is better, I just watch these vids and remember how good clouding swarm was. ZOS why did you give us an entirely new skill when all we wanted was a fix to being revealed while in clouding swarm ? Y u do dis. Give me the real clouding swarm back and the destro meta will end.

RIP Clouding

Taken by unfixable bugs.

Sanct16 · July 2017

Nivellan wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Huggelz wrote: »

Nivellan just come play with us bby and damm look at the diversity in that GvG video, I wonder if they are all wearing plague doctor Kappa

Nah cause plague didn't exist back then

Also doesn't really seem like you can see 'diversity' from this vid, Everyone apart from stamina guy using proxy and then bursting with all dawnbreakers+tethers etc was a fairly standard tactic back then, throw in the odd support ulti for some variety (as is also done now).

but yeh GvG fights are always nice to do, we (banana squad at the time) wished we could have organised one on PTS even with the latency difference but we couldn't get our chars copied at the same time as NA $:\$

negate, banner, barrier, warhorn, leap, tether, dawnbreaker, and nova that I can just see in the vid. I know there were remembrances and veils by at least one of the teams there. That's at least 4-5 more ulti's than you'd get today just from that vid not including remembrance and
veil.

So nowadays you would have:
negate, destro, permafrost, healing ult, meteor, tether/soul harvest (whatever the bomblades slot on main bar). Barrier, warhorn, leap, dawnbreaker would probably also have use depending on group setup.