Sotha Sil NA PC Thread 2

Munavar

Vapirko,
For full disclosure, I have no idea who you are.

I am not so sure DC is winning anything when a DC Guild's PvP session ends after an hour of intense PvDooring and randoms asking in zone where to go to find a fight.
(Yes, I was there at 2:30 AM on Thursday.)

Yes, the score favors DC. Math is hard. That has been previously addressed.

For those readers not in the campaign,
There are some discrepancies in Vapirko's statements:

1. "AD brought their best bomb guild" is subjective as there is no PvP group evaluation in the game.
2. "(ther're (AD) awful)" is subjective ramblings
3. "EP brought it's biggest zergs" has EP ever been pop locked outside of the event?
4. "with equal pops" is only during prime time. (Roughly) from 2AM - 2PM DC has population advantage.
5. "still 3-5k points behind". This actually demonstrates how bad DC is. They have the entire map for hours. Counter to popular belief, I do not know the scoring minutia. Say all the point is 100 and they hold the map for 5 hours (a low estimate) the score should be increased by 500 points a day. So, how after this many days do you only have a 6 to 8 day point lead? (You were the one that brought up numbers).

Sotha Sil's DC is now being known as Legion of Legions since nearly every guild name is a 'Legion' and they only survive by stacking with each other. This quickly has earned a colloquial tag: 'Legions of Laughter' (LOL).

CoCa_BoJangLeS

Vapirko wrote: »

Haha love all the salt directed at D.C. cause we're dominating.

Yeah you guys sure know how to dominate an undefended keep at 4 in the morning.

EdmundTowers

Scyantific wrote: »

DC 4-dimensional chess. 2/3 home keeps yellow yet they zigzagged around to take Chalman.

OK, so later that day...



Still wouldn't let go of Chalman lol

Vapirko

@Humphie when did I say awful? I just said y'all brought everything you had and it wasn't enough. Keep trying though, maybe better luck next campaign?

LegacyDM

Blue emp and guild exposed. With even numbers they can't win. At end of video they have to call in reinforcements of 20+ to kill us. Funny thing, after killing them over and over, I get a tell after being Zerged down by 20 from one of their members, saying we suck.

Hey guy, you know who you are, here is the proof. Oh and next time, why not use some strategy and tactics instead of trying to bulldoze your way up the steps. Only to keep dying over and over.

www.twitch.tv/videos/164840416

Mihael

Vapirko wrote: »

@Humphie when did I say awful? I just said y'all brought everything you had and it wasn't enough. Keep trying though, maybe better luck next campaign?

I don't care about campaign score because I play on all factions, but how can you actually come in here and boast about DC's score when you know good and well DC is only winning because they have a group of players that dedicate themselves to purposely logging on when all the other factions have logged off for the most part and capture all the keeps?

Scamh

Munavar wrote: »

Vapirko,
For full disclosure, I have no idea who you are.

Nobody knows. It already takes a better than average eyesight to make out the name of an individual DC player, but even then, a lot of people are talking about how they don't have the faintest idea who this guy is. I guess that's one way to make an impression.

Anyway, yesterday I was pretty damn sick of DC destroying the campaign, so Rex and I decided to play the map and go for the dethrone. We picked up a lot of siege, a lot of forward camps and the Ebonheart Pact's finest heroes-in-training.

Most of our guys were so inexperienced that we had to helicopter parent them through a lot of the tougher situations. So the last thing we expected was that DC would struggle like crazy to defeat our ragtag band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYw4JOmexYM

So um... DC people/hive-thing. I pick up a couple of randoms and it takes 1 emp, 4 (!) destro ults and double the number of people to defeat us. How is this even a thing? Is this the "domination" you guys can't stop bragging about?

Kartalin

Scamh wrote: »

So um... DC people/hive-thing. I pick up a couple of randoms and it takes 1 emp, 4 (!) destro ults and double the number of people to defeat us. How is this even a thing? Is this the "domination" you guys can't stop bragging about?

Yesterday I managed to kite the emp, his pocket healer, and two cronies nearly a minute until they managed to defeat me. This was on a magplar.

[edited to remove link to inappropriate video]

Drakkdjinn

Scamh wrote: »

Munavar wrote: »

Vapirko,
For full disclosure, I have no idea who you are.

Nobody knows. It already takes a better than average eyesight to make out the name of an individual DC player, but even then, a lot of people are talking about how they don't have the faintest idea who this guy is. I guess that's one way to make an impression.

Quoted for teh lols

Taylor_MB

I'm genuinely surprised to find after being absent for 6 weeks Sotha Sil and PvP have not changed in the slightest.
• DC still gate camping

You are people are confounding.

[Edit to remove naming and shaming]

Taylor_MB

Taylor_MB wrote: »

I'm genuinely surprised to find after being absent for 6 weeks Sotha Sil and PvP have not changed in the slightest.
• DC still gate camping

You are people are confounding.

[Edit to remove naming and shaming]

How was that shaming, yo? I very exactly described two things two people openly do. They are not ashamed of it.

Phreeki

Kartalin wrote: »

Scamh wrote: »

So um... DC people/hive-thing. I pick up a couple of randoms and it takes 1 emp, 4 (!) destro ults and double the number of people to defeat us. How is this even a thing? Is this the "domination" you guys can't stop bragging about?

Yesterday I managed to kite the emp, his pocket healer, and two cronies nearly a minute until they managed to defeat me. This was on a magplar.

The best part was not the fight, it was the two minutes of T-Bag that made it great

[Edited for removed link]

Rickter

Scamh wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYw4JOmexYM

So um... DC people/hive-thing. I pick up a couple of randoms and it takes 1 emp, 4 (!) destro ults and double the number of people to defeat us. How is this even a thing? Is this the "domination" you guys can't stop bragging about?

So i watched this video. . . I have no idea why you are bragging about this. This is what I saw as someone with no dog in this fight:

1) DK Daniel pushes onto the porch, 4 of you push him, he 1vX's you all, stays alive
2) i hear "careful, be careful around DK Daniel"
3) three of his guildies appear (making this an even fight) and your group backs off the aggression
4) youre pushed into the rocks by coordinated destro ult dump
5) DC pugs show up and you are wiped

Straight up, as much smack as you talk about this guy, you are mighty respectful of him in game. You respect the dmg he puts out despite constantly talking about how they dont do dmg. You keep your distance, pull off aggression because you understand he will destroy you if youre careless.

like, idgaf either way but this thread is just AD/EP bashing on DC - who isnt even represented in this thread. seriously where is the DC representation?

Sotha Sil thread: AD EP TEAM ORANGE CONFIRMED echo chamber.

Scamh

have you ever considered winning a darwin award

Rickter

Scamh wrote: »

have you ever considered winning a darwin award

have you ever considered that maybe you shouldnt jump on the hype train and spread propaganda?

wolfwraith37

Rickter wrote: »

So i watched this video. . . I have no idea why you are bragging about this. This is what I saw as someone with no dog in this fight

...

Straight up, as much smack as you talk about this guy, you are mighty respectful of him in game. You respect the dmg he puts out despite constantly talking about how they dont do dmg. You keep your distance, pull off aggression because you understand he will destroy you if youre careless.

like, idgaf either way but this thread is just AD/EP bashing on DC - who isnt even represented in this thread. seriously where is the DC representation?

Sotha Sil thread: AD EP TEAM ORANGE CONFIRMED echo chamber.

First of all, you obviously do have a dog in this fight as you have made clear in multiple threads. You constantly try to justify the behavior of DC in Sotha, and attempt to portray the actions of DC and AD and EP in Sotha as somehow equivalent, when they aren't. You even go so far as to claim that AD and EP players in Sotha deserve the behavior of DC as punishment for the actions of other players in other campaigns. Please stop trying to pretend that you are an unbiased, objective observer. You're just as involved as the rest of us.

Also, you'll notice there is DC representation in this thread. Unfortunately, they don't present a favorable picture of DC. This does not mean, however, that just because you don't like the picture of Sotha DC that they paint that there is no DC representation.

Also, I can't speak for others but the groups I run with also say to be careful around DKD. Not because he's a good player, but because his zerg is never far behind and that's what we're actually worried about. We're not worried about DKD, we're worried about whoever's going to pop up next to him.

Magus

A single siege does more damage than that emperor could ever muster. The only thing that triggered me in that video is the other group member that wanted to have crown and backseat group leading. I would have passed crown and said have at it lol.

Rickter

calm down @HiImRex you were almost quite literally foaming at the mouth.

I called it like i saw it. i saw people being very cautious around an individual that they could not 4v1 down and eventually be overwhelmed because they took too long (lol)

you have a lot of misconceptions in your post about me. like how i did pvp on sotha sil. and how sotha sil is very competitive at primetime and how AD is more of the aggressor than anyone else during that crucial and most significant play time.

am i the only one that raised an eyebrow that you had that intervention hotline memorized? almost like, you are very familiar with it. Im sorry man. just relax, im not your enemy.

@wolfwraith37 and no i dont have a dog in this fight. i dont justify a damn thing DKD is doing. Ive in fact condemned it, and took action against it (leaving Sotha Sil) - im just commenting on a video and documenting unbiased observations.

Humphie

Is there a deadline for Darwin awards or can we still suggest people?

HiImRex

Rickter wrote: »

unbiased observations.

Scamh

Magus wrote: »

A single siege does more damage than that emperor could ever muster. The only thing that triggered me in that video is the other group member that wanted to have crown and backseat group leading. I would have passed crown and said have at it lol.

Well you're right about the siege, and that is why we had to call the retreat.

But Rex and I are a tight duo, we're both leading. I don't call it helicopter parenting for no reason. In the vid we apply our regular tactics (the relatively orderly retreat is one), but obviously on a very basic level. We're also telling our guys to "not panic" all the time, which is something we don't have to tell each other lol.

wolfwraith37

Rickter wrote: »

@wolfwraith37 and no i dont have a dog in this fight. i dont justify a damn thing DKD is doing. Ive in fact condemned it, and took action against it (leaving Sotha Sil) - im just commenting on a video and documenting unbiased observations.

Yes, I'm aware you left. I'm also aware that in other threads you HAVE said that CN in Sotha is retribution for Shor. You've also compared the actions of EP and AD in primetime (retrieving scrolls, deposing emp) to the actions of DC during off hours (pushing to gates even when there are no scrolls, camping gates and tri keeps, even occassionally camping spawn points). You're not unbiased and you very clearly have an agenda to minimize how badly DC in Sotha have been behaving in attempt to paint AD and EP (mostly AD) as somehow just as bad or even worse.

EdmundTowers

@Rickter
Why do you even bother defending DC in sotha? You tried to stop them but they didn't care and on one of the other threads where you defend them, one has admitted how much he enjoyed gate camping us. It doesn't matter what AD does, DC has been and will continue to gate camp us regardless.

Rickter

wow. ok.

So listen guys, if you dont want any opposing ideas or rebuttals, just say so. and while youre at it, rename this thread to: "Sotha Sil NA PC Thread 2 (EP and AD faction ONLY)"

In no way shape or form does this thread reflect that campaign. its a one sided narrative.

I have kept up with the thread from time to time because i was considering moving back to Sotha Sil. I have heard from my guild mates and comments on these forums that Sotha Sil was not in bad shape during prime time. I had heard and seen evidence that Sotha Sil is generally AD dominated during that time as well. And then its quite obvious both EP and AD team up to punish a common enemy.

There is no DC representation in this thread. The one who stands accused is not represented. The other DC leaders that run the groups you fight are not represented. And when an outsider comments on genuine observation, no less than 3 of you ganged up on, bullied, and try to run off their idea.

Seriously? Telling someone they have PTSD? Recommending a hotline for sexual abuse victims? Im surprised a moderator hasnt come through here and whipped you up good. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Like a couple of frat boys nudging each other with their elbows giggling at the kid youre picking on. youre literally seething with hatred for this guy and anyone that doesnt fit that narrative.

Like guys, this is serious stuff here. You literally lack the emotional capacity to represent this server in a discussion format.

its almost like, you love to point the finger, but when the finger was pointed back at you, you got defensive.

@wolfwraith37 - you seem to be pretty level headed: im going to say this one time and dont dare tell me what my agenda is, im telling you my agenda right now: my agenda has never been to promote, mask, or otherwise defend DKD's actions on the server. If it were, i'd still be playing on the server. Frankly the way ya'll act in here makes me WANT to gate camp the *** out of you. What im trying to do is make you all see that you are in fact no better than him when you act this way.

That video, was frankly nothing to brag about. Ya'll played CAUTIOUSLY around a guy that you regularly talk down about. "he does no dmg" "he needs a pocket healer" "hes a scrub" blah blah blah - but the reality is, he most definitely was someone you respected. In the combat department. You respected him there on the battlefield. You dont see the hypocrisy?

You had one chance to take him out, you missed it because he was damn tanky and you lost. plain and simple.

anyway enough about the video, yes ive made inflammatory remarks like "CN is retribution" but thats honestly just play. I dont really believe that. No one deserves what hes doing to ya'll. not even him

Im being very serious here and I hope you take my actual words into consideration.

wolfwraith37

Rickter wrote: »

@wolfwraith37 - you seem to be pretty level headed: im going to say this one time and dont dare tell me what my agenda is, im telling you my agenda right now: my agenda has never been to promote, mask, or otherwise defend DKD's actions on the server. If it were, i'd still be playing on the server. Frankly the way ya'll act in here makes me WANT to gate camp the *** out of you. What im trying to do is make you all see that you are in fact no better than him when you act this way.

That video, was frankly nothing to brag about. Ya'll played CAUTIOUSLY around a guy that you regularly talk down about. "he does no dmg" "he needs a pocket healer" "hes a scrub" blah blah blah - but the reality is, he most definitely was someone you respected. In the combat department. You respected him there on the battlefield. You dont see the hypocrisy?

You had one chance to take him out, you missed it because he was damn tanky and you lost. plain and simple.

anyway enough about the video, yes ive made inflammatory remarks like "CN is retribution" but thats honestly just play. I dont really believe that. No one deserves what hes doing to ya'll. not even him

Im being very serious here and I hope you take my actual words into consideration.

To clarify, I was not in that video. I wasn't talking about the video. I was talking about the group I run with which says similar things, but again, not because of Daniel but because of who he might be with. So, again, I was not in the video.

And that bit about wanting to gate camp us is what I'm talking about when I say you try to minimize the behavior of DC in Sotha. DC started and has been engaging in this toxic behavior for months, but because AD and EP players get angry about it we're obviously just as bad as the DC players who are actively trying to kill the campaign. How does that make sense?

In no way shape or form does this thread reflect that campaign. its a one sided narrative.

Again, there are DC in this thread. The problem is, AD/EP say "DC is ruining the campaign" and they say "yeah, isn't it awesome?"

Rickter

wolfwraith37 wrote: »

but because AD and EP players get angry about it we're obviously just as bad as the DC players who are actively trying to kill the campaign. How does that make sense?

it makes perfect sense. its called: taking the high road. you stooped to his level. whether you feel justified or not, it means you failed.

Mihael

Rickter wrote: »

Scamh wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYw4JOmexYM

So um... DC people/hive-thing. I pick up a couple of randoms and it takes 1 emp, 4 (!) destro ults and double the number of people to defeat us. How is this even a thing? Is this the "domination" you guys can't stop bragging about?

So i watched this video. . . I have no idea why you are bragging about this. This is what I saw as someone with no dog in this fight:

1) DK Daniel pushes onto the porch, 4 of you push him, he 1vX's you all, stays alive
2) i hear "careful, be careful around DK Daniel"
3) three of his guildies appear (making this an even fight) and your group backs off the aggression
4) youre pushed into the rocks by coordinated destro ult dump
5) DC pugs show up and you are wiped

Straight up, as much smack as you talk about this guy, you are mighty respectful of him in game. You respect the dmg he puts out despite constantly talking about how they dont do dmg. You keep your distance, pull off aggression because you understand he will destroy you if youre careless.

like, idgaf either way but this thread is just AD/EP bashing on DC - who isnt even represented in this thread. seriously where is the DC representation?

Sotha Sil thread: AD EP TEAM ORANGE CONFIRMED echo chamber.

To put into perspective how bad the DC emp is my gf beat him 1v1 when he wasn't emp and it was only her 4TH day in cyro at like 250 cp lol,

Don't act like he "puts out damage" because he is good it's because his stats are on steroids thanks to emp buff, even the worst player can hit a hard ult when they are emp

WhiteMage

Rickter wrote: »

So listen guys, if you dont want any opposing ideas or rebuttals, just say so. and while youre at it, rename this thread to: "Sotha Sil NA PC Thread 2 (EP and AD faction ONLY)"

Not doing that :P

I haven't been in Sotha Sil much at all this week, but... I can say that while DKD (or whomever is gate camping/night capping/zerging a dead server on his behalf. I've been told it was Consortium recently. Idk, I'm not online when it happens, I just assume because it's always the one guy as emp) has done things to the campaign that is just... frankly, merits him being driven from the server, vast hordes of pugs on at least the AD side are happy to do the same thing. They don't get to, often, but they're happy to do it. I assume EP pugs equally inclined but are merely less able, too.

When one side owns the map, you'll often see the dominating faction with at least a bar of population over the other two. Then, when the situation is reversed, these players are no where to be found in that same faction. I'd say that these players, these fair-weather casuals, are the real trouble. They are the ones that give the power to those with the inclination to senselessly dominate. Without the pugs, it's just a guild, and other guilds or swarms of pugs can take guilds. A guild surfing pugs however is a very powerful force, far stronger than a larger group of pugs. Pugs are mindless, and simple enough to be happy with endlessly running things over, because that's how it worked in PvE. Guilds, who I assume want to actually PvP, should know better.

Scamh

Rickter wrote: »

Frankly the way ya'll act in here makes me WANT to gate camp the *** out of you. What im trying to do is make you all see that you are in fact no better than him when you act this way.

Do it. We'll do what we always do, and bring it as a duo. No wasting time "carefully" guarding pugs, we can get straight to business. See how scared and cautious and respectful we act when we don't have a bunch of cp 300s to babysit.

I'd like to believe that we stand out as a duo, and that at least some people in this thread could vouch for our agressive, zero f***s given playstyle.

tldr: careful what you wish for.

HiImRex

Rickter wrote: »

wow. ok.

So listen guys, if you dont want any opposing ideas or rebuttals, just say so. and while youre at it, rename this thread to: "Sotha Sil NA PC Thread 2 (EP and AD faction ONLY)"

In no way shape or form does this thread reflect that campaign. its a one sided narrative.

I have kept up with the thread from time to time because i was considering moving back to Sotha Sil. I have heard from my guild mates and comments on these forums that Sotha Sil was not in bad shape during prime time. I had heard and seen evidence that Sotha Sil is generally AD dominated during that time as well. And then its quite obvious both EP and AD team up to punish a common enemy.

There is no DC representation in this thread. The one who stands accused is not represented. The other DC leaders that run the groups you fight are not represented. And when an outsider comments on genuine observation, no less than 3 of you ganged up on, bullied, and try to run off their idea.

Seriously? Telling someone they have PTSD? Recommending a hotline for sexual abuse victims? Im surprised a moderator hasnt come through here and whipped you up good. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Like a couple of frat boys nudging each other with their elbows giggling at the kid youre picking on. youre literally seething with hatred for this guy and anyone that doesnt fit that narrative.

Like guys, this is serious stuff here. You literally lack the emotional capacity to represent this server in a discussion format.

its almost like, you love to point the finger, but when the finger was pointed back at you, you got defensive.

@wolfwraith37 - you seem to be pretty level headed: im going to say this one time and dont dare tell me what my agenda is, im telling you my agenda right now: my agenda has never been to promote, mask, or otherwise defend DKD's actions on the server. If it were, i'd still be playing on the server. Frankly the way ya'll act in here makes me WANT to gate camp the *** out of you. What im trying to do is make you all see that you are in fact no better than him when you act this way.

That video, was frankly nothing to brag about. Ya'll played CAUTIOUSLY around a guy that you regularly talk down about. "he does no dmg" "he needs a pocket healer" "hes a scrub" blah blah blah - but the reality is, he most definitely was someone you respected. In the combat department. You respected him there on the battlefield. You dont see the hypocrisy?

You had one chance to take him out, you missed it because he was damn tanky and you lost. plain and simple.

anyway enough about the video, yes ive made inflammatory remarks like "CN is retribution" but thats honestly just play. I dont really believe that. No one deserves what hes doing to ya'll. not even him

Im being very serious here and I hope you take my actual words into consideration.

Good novel. I will give you one serious response, so listen carefully.

You are allowed to have dissenting opinions. Those opinions can and will be criticized. Is that not discourse?

What is the basis for those criticisms?

There's a massive post history in which your message essentially is: "leave DC alone, even if they are doing something that no one should approve of you guys are not allowed to feel frustration or express that frustration in this thread if and unless a dissenting opinion IS in fact voiced". Sorry my friend I don't think you quite understand the basic principles behind free speech and open discussion. Are the AD and EP in this thread purposely deleting, moderating, or otherwise preventing DC and those from DC to represent themselves here? No. No they are not. This is a neutral forum for discussion with equal access to all 3 factions, and if one of the factions CHOOSE not to represent themselves there, that is their choice and to USE THAT AS THE BASIS for your incessant posts that "GUYS STOP ITS NOT FAIR WHEN DC CHOSE NOT TO BE HERE TO DEFEND THEIR ACTIONS" is utter nonsense. Read this paragraph a few times slowly, because based on our conversation so far you have very little capacity to separate emotional responses from logical analysis and is completely unaware of this fact, which is perhaps WHY you have consistently been ridiculed (and contrary to your deeply held inner belief, it is not because you are DC).

You consistently take on tones of smugness, irony, and condescension, basically using the same "trolling" technique as everyone else in this thread, punctuating your logical arguments (which as explained above are just fundamentally flawed) with word-choice and sentence-construction meant to evoke emotional responses. And then when you get cornered by the (I'm sure VERY bewildering to you) fact that no one seems to understand the utter *** you are arguing with complete sincerity, you all of a sudden take the moral high-ground with such things as "guys its just a video game and you're bringing in unrelated troll-topics to punctuate your logical arguments with emotional evocation" LITERALLY WITHIN AN HOUR of you doing the same thing. And then you have the GALL, the ACTUAL GALL to use the word "hypocrite" without an ounce of self-awareness.

I don't really understand why this isn't clear to you without needing it explained. What you FEEL is unfair is, in fact, a fair and natural responses to the unseemly conduct by one faction in this PARTICULAR CAMPAIGN. What is that conduct? A single-minded dedication to balling up when most people log off for the night, and dominate the map and camp every resource by every gate for hours with the entire ball until the minimal number of opposing faction players log on to wipe them off the map.

You claim "I hear that the map is quite competitive and/or AD dominated during prime time." First of all, it seems so much of what you base entire chapters and dissertations of forum posts on are based on hearsay that honestly none of us here understand why you can speak such confident nonsense about a situation you vacated a long time ago as you admit frequently. Secondly, think carefully about why it is this way. The bad DC engage in the previously described behavior that basically shuts down the campaign for a solid 12 hours of the day. More and more "good" DC who want a fair, competitive and interesting game experience witness this behavior, usually at the start or end of the cycle, and in disgust give up on the server (this includes you as you admit repeatedly). What do you think is the logical conclusion to follow. Most DC players who look for competitive fights, which are usually the ones who care about their performance and thus are better players, have left the campaign in direct response to the actions of the "bad" DC. And the "bad" DC leave a really bad taste in the mouths of everyone else on the server. Team orange is both a direct and organic result of the actions of the "bad" DC, which we rightfully complain about and make fun of on this thread which is supposed to discuss what happens in Sotha Sil. So you see, your alternative defense of DC conduct which is "but DC gets *** during prime time", is actually a direct consequence of the "bad" DC. This is the "bad" DC ruining this campaign NOT ONLY for those 12 hours of off-hours, but also affecting the entire server negatively in a way in which the vast majority of the players in this campaign cannot enjoy the server.

Finally, the thing is these things have been explained and discussed with you throughout multiple threads over weeks and weeks. And sometimes nicely even. The fact that you cannot see the deep flaws in the baseline assumptions of your view of reality, the lack of credibility you bring as an outsider ("but but but 10 years ago I was there man"), and the erratic, self-serving tone-shifting from "hah get trolled you idiot" to "you guys are disgusting this is a serious discussion and you will not partake in adult conversation" is IN FACT the reason you are universally ridiculed. It has nothing to do with you being DC, it has everything, EVERYTHING to do with the fact that you are not here to have a discussion, you are not here to contribute anything of worth to the conversation, you are here to present your one, unchanging, and might I add twisted perception of what is going on, over and over again, for... for what? For a desperate desire to be vindicated, to have someone agree with your entirely delusional chain of thoughts?

It's not going to happen. No one here is that dumb. There ARE people of such caliber out there but thankfully, everyone here can see through the delusion, the unwarranted pedestal you put yourself on, the faux-outrage, everything. Not everyone can explain exactly why, which is why I did my best to voice what trust me, everyone with at least a few working braincells and the emotional discipline of a 14+ year old is thinking regarding you.