Skill Point Exploit & Account Suspensions

MajBludd

I don't blame anybody for jumping ship after getting suspended for this. I just find it hard to believe they would suspended, then investigate.

I had considered it myself. Never have I exploited anything in this game in the 2+ yrs I have been here.

To me It just defeats the purpose of the whole fame. Why cheat or exploit your way through content, PVP, etc. It only proves one thing, you can't accomplish anything without cheating others.

With that said, if they did not lift my suspension, I most likely would have left.

DarkAedin

This is a blatant irresponsability on zos part.

I dont understand the white knighting.

We have been farming bosses of all type since game inception.
Since tam 1 we go farming for loot without a thought to skill point aquisition.

Im a customer, not their q & a team. Ive paid to play a triple A title and things like this should not make it to live servers, especially without a warning - in game - to the player base.
Hindsight and a little forum research showed that they knew about this prior to it going live as well.
This is rediculous.

DarkAedin

Finally heard from them. Got a survey...

MajBludd

Good to hear. Now don't zerg us EP too hard in bwb

Elsonso

Montayva wrote: »

I provided evidence of my report of the exploit, and zos are more than able to check my skill point gain themselves. Not sure why you feel like everyone labelled guilty in this matter needs to prove themselves to you

By posting a ban or suspension story in here, the person is asking anyone who reads it to believe them. Whether directly, or indirectly. It is not unreasonable for someone reading the story to disbelieve it. Sadly, there is no way to substantiate the story because any detail, video, or image posted could be misleading, or a fabrication. That's just the way it is.

This is why I often say that people who are banned or suspended, and are innocent, should stay away from the forums with their story. Not only is it against the rules, but there is no way to prove that anything said is the truth. There will be people who assume that the person is lying just because the guilty have nothing to lose in the attempt.

The innocent need to provide no proof to the readers in the forum. In that, you are correct. Only ZOS needs to be party to that conversation. It is a conversation that is best shared privately, especially if the person is innocent.

SantieClaws wrote: »

Regrettably my guild has now lost one of it's senior members over this

A good person who was most upset to be accused of being intentionally dishonest and now no longer feels happy or comfortable being in Tamriel. Someone who had been a fellow traveller since 2015

I can't blame them. When ZOS pulls that trigger, they need to be more than sure of what they are shooting at.

Arch_White

Congrats to all that had their suspension lifted, mine apparently will not be lifted. Moral of the story: If you find an exploit, you might as well overly abuse it because you will be suspended and quite possibly not unsuspended regardless of what you do.

ManwithBeard9

Yarlenzey wrote: »

If it can be used in-game, then it isn't cheating.

If an error is AVAILABLE in game - then hire more people to create a higher quality product in the first place
Revise your procedures before releasing flawed software and don't penalise players who used the product AS IT WAS DELIVERED.

It would be more appropriate to suspend your staff without pay for three day.
How is this not obvious to you? Why is this the player's fault?

Read the ToS

bigspender42002

also they got the game early access so it doesnt even matter anyway 3 days meh!

MajBludd

It does matter when you were not exploiting it intentionally

smacx250

bigspender42002 wrote: »

also they got the game early access so it doesnt even matter anyway 3 days meh!

If you read the posts, you would realize it doesn't have anything to do with the Morrowind content, as some of them don't even have it. Because ZOS was beta testing the patch on PC before the "official" release, they got a 3 day ban from the game. All the console players that won't get banned can give them a nice "thank you"!

Nyladreas

Arch_White wrote: »

Congrats to all that had their suspension lifted, mine apparently will not be lifted. Moral of the story: If you find an exploit, you might as well overly abuse it because you will be suspended and quite possibly not unsuspended regardless of what you do.

Wow I can't even...

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps reporting it yourself would be a better option?

Do people even know that if they find a bug (that they unintentionally exploited) and report it, ZoS will actually thank them?

I just don't understand this kind of thinking lol.

Juli'St

Innocent people were banned and did not even know about this bug. Some came back because they resorted to support. ZOS is completely lost about exploits and cheaters.

This company needs to be more tolerant to set an example.

out51d3r

DoShazarr wrote: »

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps reporting it yourself would be a better option?

No, it has been proven in this thread that it is not a better option. Several people who reported this bug were suspended. At least one of them is still suspended.

You would think that in a case like this, all you would have to do is point out in your appeal that you actually reported the bug you got suspended for. That's not the case. Not only did ZOS not actually look at it before suspending these people, they also aren't actually looking at their appeals. The people that reported the bugs got the same cut and paste denial to their appeals that everybody else did.

I know you want to think that ZOS wouldn't do something like that. The proof is right in this following post:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4184995/#Comment_4184995

They reported the bug on may 23rd, and got suspended for it on June 1.

Ackwalan

out51d3r wrote: »

DoShazarr wrote: »

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps reporting it yourself would be a better option?

No, it has been proven in this thread that it is not a better option. Several people who reported this bug were suspended. At least one of them is still suspended.

You would think that in a case like this, all you would have to do is point out in your appeal that you actually reported the bug you got suspended for. That's not the case. Not only did ZOS not actually look at it before suspending these people, they also aren't actually looking at their appeals. The people that reported the bugs got the same cut and paste denial to their appeals that everybody else did.

I know you want to think that ZOS wouldn't do something like that. The proof is right in this following post:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4184995/#Comment_4184995

They reported the bug on may 23rd, and got suspended for it on June 1.

That does not prove they didn't exploit the bug. How many times did they exploit this, 2 times, 10 times, more? They can say they reported this they can also exploit it the same time.

Majeure

Yeah, that's pretty damn lax for intentionally abusing what is most obviously a bug. 3 days, really? That's barely a vacation, they would be back in no time gloating in guild chat. ZOS cmonBruh

out51d3r

Ackwalan wrote: »

That does not prove they didn't exploit the bug. How many times did they exploit this, 2 times, 10 times, more? They can say they reported this they can also exploit it the same time.

What is the point in exploiting a bug you've reported? To gain points you know will be taken away? It doesn't make sense.

Ackwalan

out51d3r wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

That does not prove they didn't exploit the bug. How many times did they exploit this, 2 times, 10 times, more? They can say they reported this they can also exploit it the same time.

What is the point in exploiting a bug you've reported? To gain points you know will be taken away? It doesn't make sense.

Did they know the points were going to be taken a way? The survey bug, people kept the mats, the PvP flipping exploit people lost the unspent AP. Leaping into a keep took years to fix. There was a 50/50 chance that ZOS would do nothing.

Right now is an attitude among many people to abuse the heck out of a bug until it gets fixed.

out51d3r

Ackwalan wrote: »

Right now is an attitude among many people to abuse the heck out of a bug until it gets fixed.

And I'm sure punishing people who report the bugs will lead to them getting fixed faster.

Ackwalan

out51d3r wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Right now is an attitude among many people to abuse the heck out of a bug until it gets fixed.

And I'm sure punishing people who report the bugs will lead to them getting fixed faster.

Or maybe just less abuse of bugs.

Gruffysb16_ESO

Although I am still banned I have received some information about skill points earned legitimately after encountering the bug.

I had an email stating "Only the skill points obtained through the exploit will be removed." I will have to check this once I am able to get back into the game however it is extremely poor that nobody in ZOS has come to clarify anything in this thread.

As a result I'm currently filing a complaint with the European Commission's Online Dispute department about this and other game problems that have been plaguing players for the last 3 months.

out51d3r

Ackwalan wrote: »

Or maybe just less abuse of bugs.

How will bugs going unreported lead to less abuse of bugs?

Ackwalan

Gruffysb16_ESO wrote: »

Although I am still banned I have received some information about skill points earned legitimately after encountering the bug.

I had an email stating "Only the skill points obtained through the exploit will be removed." I will have to check this once I am able to get back into the game however it is extremely poor that nobody in ZOS has come to clarify anything in this thread.

As a result I'm currently filing a complaint with the European Commission's Online Dispute department about this and other game problems that have been plaguing players for the last 3 months.

You said "skill points" plural, not "skill point" singular. You should be able to have a rough estimate of how many time did the group event.

Gruffysb16_ESO

Ackwalan wrote: »

You said "skill points" plural, not "skill point" singular. You should be able to have a rough estimate of how many time did the group event.

I killed the boss loads of times , I fully admit that. No idea how many skill points I got and I couldn't care less about the them I went there for Gear and the new dwemer designs. I've had 20+ spare skill points for almost a year now.

See the post I made here reporting the issue:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/346665/public-dungeon-boss-giving-skill-points-at-each-kill

Ackwalan

Gruffysb16_ESO wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

You said "skill points" plural, not "skill point" singular. You should be able to have a rough estimate of how many time did the group event.

I killed the boss loads of times , I fully admit that. No idea how many skill points I got and I couldn't care less about the them I went there for Gear and the new dwemer designs. I've had 20+ spare skill points for almost a year now.

See the post I made here reporting the issue:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/346665/public-dungeon-boss-giving-skill-points-at-each-kill

You got caught exploiting, and got off light.

Elsonso

Gruffysb16_ESO wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

You said "skill points" plural, not "skill point" singular. You should be able to have a rough estimate of how many time did the group event.

I killed the boss loads of times , I fully admit that. No idea how many skill points I got and I couldn't care less about the them I went there for Gear and the new dwemer designs. I've had 20+ spare skill points for almost a year now.

See the post I made here reporting the issue:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/346665/public-dungeon-boss-giving-skill-points-at-each-kill

I wonder what would have happened if you had counted them up and then opened a ticket to have Customer Support remove the extra ones.

Gruffysb16_ESO

Ackwalan wrote: »

Gruffysb16_ESO wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

You said "skill points" plural, not "skill point" singular. You should be able to have a rough estimate of how many time did the group event.

I killed the boss loads of times , I fully admit that. No idea how many skill points I got and I couldn't care less about the them I went there for Gear and the new dwemer designs. I've had 20+ spare skill points for almost a year now.

See the post I made here reporting the issue:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/346665/public-dungeon-boss-giving-skill-points-at-each-kill

You got caught exploiting, and got off light.

Are you saying that killing a boss for its loot is exploiting? or are you just fanboying?

Unfortunately I didn't even notice I was getting them until I have been there a while so I had no idea how many I had erroneously accrued.

However had I opened a ticket asking them to remove the bugged ones I'd probably still be waiting either that or i'd be in the same position as I am now.

out51d3r

Ackwalan wrote: »

You said "skill points" plural, not "skill point" singular. You should be able to have a rough estimate of how many time did the group event.

I'd also really like to know numbers. Unfortunately the skill point reset included in the resolution is making it difficult to get the numbers from people.

Here's the thing though. ZOS clearly screwed up something here(or they wouldn't be lifting so many punishments early). How exactly were they counting this? Maybe I did that group event 2 years ago, then happened to do it again during the bug. Would your instinct be to say "WAIT!!! I got this skill point two years ago, I'd better report this!!!!" or "Huh, I guess I missed this one two years ago". At this point, your skill point count from that quest is 2. Let's say you thought nothing of the second point gain(completely reasonable, the first point was 2 years previous), you happen to do it again and now you've gained 3 points from the quest. Let's assume you noticed both times. You're like "wait, I just got an extra skill point. Better try to recreate the bug so I can file a relevant bug report". You repeat it, and report your findings. Now you're up to 4 skill points from this quest without any intention to cheat.

Gruffysb16_ESO

Oh if your looking for numbers I can probably help you out there, in an official response I had from ZOS they stated this:

"Our records show that a character on this account has gained more than one skillpoint due to the repeated killing of a world boss, and this has been deemed to be an exploit."

So I'm guessing if you got more than 1 skill point you were banned.

Ackwalan

Gruffysb16_ESO wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Gruffysb16_ESO wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

You said "skill points" plural, not "skill point" singular. You should be able to have a rough estimate of how many time did the group event.

I killed the boss loads of times , I fully admit that. No idea how many skill points I got and I couldn't care less about the them I went there for Gear and the new dwemer designs. I've had 20+ spare skill points for almost a year now.

See the post I made here reporting the issue:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/346665/public-dungeon-boss-giving-skill-points-at-each-kill

You got caught exploiting, and got off light.

Are you saying that killing a boss for its loot is exploiting? or are you just fanboying?

Unfortunately I didn't even notice I was getting them until I have been there a while so I had no idea how many I had erroneously accrued.

However had I opened a ticket asking them to remove the bugged ones I'd probably still be waiting either that or i'd be in the same position as I am now.

I'm not buying it, and neither did ZOS:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu5TrPq_xVY

Montayva

People keep using my post as an example then everyone says "why believe her?"

My personal case is beyond the point here. The issue in this matter is the blanket ban Zos did, which affected MANY innocent parties, and the lack of thought and effort on ZOSs part put into solving issues on cheaters and exploiters.

I know for a fact I didn't gain many sps off that boss, just enough to actually discover the exploit and report it. But it's ZOS's responsibility to investigate that, not the people of the forums to decide who is full of *** and who isn't.

Despite my appeals and numerous attempts to reach out to customer support on the matter, I've yet to be even put in contact with a real person. And the sad truth is in my history of dealing with ZOS in seeking help for various issues, I don't think I've ever gotten anything but an automated response from customer service support team