Buoyant Armiger Motifs being gotten?

Synfaer

Hutch679 wrote: »

I read that completing the main storyline AND the museum quest line increase the drop rate chances. Idk what the museum quest line is though... I believe it is "the lost library" quest. You unlock that quest by collecting the 30 relics scattered across vvardenfell. There are maps for these relics online and you will need 30 open inventory spaces.

The final reward for that quest gives you a 3D model of vvardenfell to put in your house.

Lots of people have completed all quest lines and the drop rate still hovers close to 1%

Hutch679

Synfaer wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

I read that completing the main storyline AND the museum quest line increase the drop rate chances. Idk what the museum quest line is though... I believe it is "the lost library" quest. You unlock that quest by collecting the 30 relics scattered across vvardenfell. There are maps for these relics online and you will need 30 open inventory spaces.

The final reward for that quest gives you a 3D model of vvardenfell to put in your house.

Lots of people have completed all quest lines and the drop rate still hovers close to 1%

That's so ridiculous though... 1%? Should be at least 20%. It's a motif... not the best drop in the game

Darth_Trumpious

johnnified wrote: »

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

yet there are new Buoyant Armiger motifs being listed on guild traders everyday, if you check the major trading hubs. My guess is to work on making money and buy them, instead of grinding them with pain and whines

Have you seen how small the listings are? 3 Bows, 2 Swords, 0 Chests, 0 gloves, 0 Boots, 2 mace, 2 helm...

Out of a playerbase of almost 1 million (and 100k online at once).


Not much of a counter argument.

Why should I bother making a "counter argument"? What do I gain from arguing with you on this? Also, your source is inaccurate - TTC only shows items that were scanned and there are way more listings that what you are stating, if you can spend time checking on each trader, instead of just checking on TTC's website.

Last bust not least, morrowind is still new and the new findings usually got bought quickly or used by the finders, instead of listing on traders and waiting for TTC or MM to scan. Just give it a while and be patient, don't rush to forum and use some inaccurate data to prove your "I MUS HAVE IT NOW OR IT IS BUGGED" point.

Code2501

Fact remains after so much farming chests i've not seen a single motif. Thats an average drop rate of less than 0.1% with treasure hunter and all quests in vvarfenfel complete.

Taleof2Cities

IMPORTANT QUESTION:

Is there some link to where someone at ZOS has actually confirmed the treasure hunter passive boosts your chances?

Sure, treasure hunter boosts your chances for loot quality in the chest. But, the patch notes don't specifically refer to you needing the champion passive.

If it's anything like the Ra Gada motif drop in chests, I don't think treasure hunter actually influences it.

I'd love to have someone confirm and prove my theory wrong.

helediron

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

johnnified wrote: »

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

yet there are new Buoyant Armiger motifs being listed on guild traders everyday, if you check the major trading hubs. My guess is to work on making money and buy them, instead of grinding them with pain and whines

Have you seen how small the listings are? 3 Bows, 2 Swords, 0 Chests, 0 gloves, 0 Boots, 2 mace, 2 helm...

Out of a playerbase of almost 1 million (and 100k online at once).


Not much of a counter argument.

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Just give it a while and be patient, don't rush to forum and use some inaccurate data to prove your "I MUS HAVE IT NOW OR IT IS BUGGED" point.

I've got one motif page out of maybe 500 chests. Several others report the same. TTC and UESP data are the best parallel sources available to players to indicate system-wide drop rates. Those numbers are telling and are in same range what i have seen. I suggest you learn to read inaccurate data.

The alternative is of course that you will loot 50 chests every day in Wardenfell until next eastern. Then come back to this thread and report us the accurate numbers.

johnnified

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

johnnified wrote: »

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

yet there are new Buoyant Armiger motifs being listed on guild traders everyday, if you check the major trading hubs. My guess is to work on making money and buy them, instead of grinding them with pain and whines

Have you seen how small the listings are? 3 Bows, 2 Swords, 0 Chests, 0 gloves, 0 Boots, 2 mace, 2 helm...

Out of a playerbase of almost 1 million (and 100k online at once).


Not much of a counter argument.

Why should I bother making a "counter argument"? What do I gain from arguing with you on this? Also, your source is inaccurate - TTC only shows items that were scanned and there are way more listings that what you are stating, if you can spend time checking on each trader, instead of just checking on TTC's website.

Last bust not least, morrowind is still new and the new findings usually got bought quickly or used by the finders, instead of listing on traders and waiting for TTC or MM to scan. Just give it a while and be patient, don't rush to forum and use some inaccurate data to prove your "I MUS HAVE IT NOW OR IT IS BUGGED" point.

I guess I used poor wording there. I didn't mean you were arguing, just that things being posted in Guild Traders isn't as High as you think it is. I don't have TTC, or use the website.
Daggerfall, Sentinel, Bangkorai, Davon's Watch, Mournhold, Rawl'ka, Elden Root, Vivec City, Stormhold, Windhelm, Wayrest, and about 4 other places I can't remember, I check constantly. I have an addon that helps me find them too (Awesome Guild Store), and it helped with just recently purchasing a sword one off a trader. That is where my numbers come from.
And my point isn't "I MUS HAVE IT NOW OR IT IS BUGGED", that is an immature response from you. My point is, as you can see above, people have gotten hundreds, and now almost thousands of chests. I have only gotten one motif, and others zero.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

IMPORTANT QUESTION:

Is there some link to where someone at ZOS has actually confirmed the treasure hunter passive boosts your chances?

Sure, treasure hunter boosts your chances for loot quality in the chest. But, the patch notes don't specifically refer to you needing the champion passive.

If it's anything like the Ra Gada motif drop in chests, I don't think treasure hunter actually influences it.

I'd love to have someone confirm and prove my theory wrong.

I never thought Treasure Hunter improved the chances, that is what they above keep mentioning.
From livestreams (and patch notes) completing the main vivec story improved those chances. They just never say by what percentage, or even give the drop rate here. This is worse than Ra Gada motifs. I went to Craglorn and got 3 motifs in just 4 hours of farming chests.

helediron

ZOS said they are looking into Wardenfell chests. Let's see if they find something from them.

Taleof2Cities

johnnified wrote: »

I never thought Treasure Hunter improved the chances, that is what they above keep mentioning.
From livestreams (and patch notes) completing the main vivec story improved those chances. They just never say by what percentage, or even give the drop rate here. This is worse than Ra Gada motifs. I went to Craglorn and got 3 motifs in just 4 hours of farming chests.

My thoughts exactly ... since I had a few characters that didn't have the treasure hunter passive up when farming Ra Gada back on the Homestead release. Yes, I understand the drop rate on Ra Gada was much better.

Having treasure hunter for better loot is fine.

Having treasure hunter to specifically improve your chances of Buoyant Armiger motif drops isn't in the patch notes and seems to be a myth.

Paazhahdrimaak

Yup. Same. No motifs yet. And I've opens several dozen chest.
Happy hunting guys

OutLaw_Nynx

I can't remember what thread I posted this on, might be this one but not looking right now. I don't understand why the motifs are so hard to get. I liked how in DB and TG you got motifs from the delve bosses and world bosses. I don't get why they changed that.

saxgooner

Synfaer wrote: »

Looks like my single motif page I found early was my quota for the year...
Since then I have farmed t-chests for about 10 hours over 5 days for zero motif pages.
I have completed the Vivec quest line and all other side quests, I have the 'Treasure Hunter' CP perk and over that 10 hour period have opened about 300+ chests...for ZERO motif pages.

Seriously ZOS this is a joke.

The Ashlander motif drop rate is also driving me insane. One motif from about 30 daily quests...really?

Honestly, I don't think I am being too cynical when I say that these drops rates are geared to get us to buy them from the crown store. What other reason would they have to subject customers to this level of frustration.

I have done about 50 ashlander dailys and have 9 pages. And a few duplicate
8 tong and duplicate

johnnified

helediron wrote: »

ZOS said they are looking into Wardenfell chests. Let's see if they find something from them.

Of course, like everything else in this forum, when I post something first I get no reply from ZOS.

Someone else posts the same topic and suddenly they get a reply from a GM.

I hate being the first one to bring up a problem with and then getting no feed back from DEVS, but someone else can a week later or so and get a reply.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Seriously? I brought this up first....

Always so unloved....

MattT1988

I got one out of a simple chest. They're there it's just our old mate RNGesus.

johnnified

MattT1988 wrote: »

I got one out of a simple chest. They're there it's just our old mate RNGesus.

Well, I know they are there, I got one from a simple chest as well, but that isn't the entirely the point.

#PraiseRNGesus

Ourorboros

MattT1988 wrote: »

I got one out of a simple chest. They're there it's just our old mate RNGesus.

RNG is one thing, but this motif is ridiculous. Either something is broken, or zos is playing with the drop rate in anticipation of selling Bouyant Armiger in CS. It doesn't make sense that I can collect plenty of Viridian dust but cannot get a chapter from any chest to save my life. Considering the role crafting doesn't play in the gear we wear, maybe it's time for zos to rethink how they handle motifs in the game.

visionality

The motifs drop, just not very often (which explains their prices). If you want to farm them, swap 75 cp into the shadow tree to unlock treasure hunter. This boosts your chance to find a motif inside morrowind chests.

Ourorboros

visionality wrote: »

The motifs drop, just not very often (which explains their prices). If you want to farm them, swap 75 cp into the shadow tree to unlock treasure hunter. This boosts your chance to find a motif inside morrowind chests.

LOL, I have 5 alts running dailies in Morrowind, all with Treasure Hunter unlocked. I hit chests on a regular basis, and found no chapters. The fact that a few players have been lucky enough to find the motif does not mean there isn't something broken with the drop rate. I'd suggest the rarity of drops and presence of multiple forum threads imply there is a problem here. Gina said it's being looked at, but the way zos works, it could be Christmas before they do anything.

lostcloud

I have unlocked close to 800 chests now, have quite a good run plotted out, and out of all those chests I have picked up exactly zero motif pages. Even with the worst rng I would have expected 1 or 2 pages by now, perhaps all of my rng is being saved up for the complete book to drop, if that is even possible. A bloke can dream can't he.

Beesting

I got one in nHoF today, from advanced chest with th perk.

On this char i did maybe 2 quests in morrowind, and it was the first time i saw a motive drop in about 25 nHoF farm runs, i did not even know it existed. I sold it within an hour for 125k so that was nice

itreboiz

Beesting wrote: »

. I sold it within an hour for 125k so that was nice

u could sell it even at 200k...

itreboiz

Here to post my experience and thought.
As alot of u i'm a master crafter with all motifs except buoyant and +1000 furnishing recipe.
In 1 week i dropped axe in Master and belt in Intermediate. One day i opened more then 20 master chest, and nothing.
Yesterday i made a promise: i dont go to sleep until i find 1 motif page. I started at 00:00. At 10:30 i cloesd the game becuase of headache.
I remember when i farmed ancient orc, one of the hardest motif (6h/day but atleast 1-3 motif/day). Now our struggle and devotion for the game are not payed really well.

This game should not be just rng and luck. We need an incremental drop rate system. I mean, i dont care if i need to farm 1, 3 or 6 hours, but i want to be sure that after alot of try i'll find my item (motif, sharp weapon, divine gear or shoulder/mask). Same about the cipher: i saw one guy found it after 2 weeks he was playing eso. I grind 6 new pg (lvl 1 to 50) kiling "alot" of mobs and nothing...

We need to be repaid for our struggle and devotion.
So, if i'll be luck or the rng's god will be with me i could find my item even after 1 or 10 try, or i can find it after X try because i've reached the 100% (=sure drop).

I'm going to farm this new motif too but, really, i dont know for how much long i'll invest my time/money in this game.

Katahdin

At least 100 chests on 2 characters.
No Motifs. Its demeaning.

Didz

Its just a style, eventually it will go out of fashion and you'll be picking motif's up for a few hundred gold.

That and Ashlanders seem to be flooding the market at the minute, but they are ridiculously overpriced.

itreboiz

Didz wrote: »

Its just a style, eventually it will go out of fashion and you'll be picking motif's up for a few hundred gold.

That and Ashlanders seem to be flooding the market at the minute, but they are ridiculously overpriced.

"you dont know nothing jon snow". cit

1) master crafter want ALL motif, even the rarest and the ugliest and the most expensive.
2) u cant compare ashlander with buoyant. ashlander drop is something like 30-40% i guess. Buoyant is something like 0,005% (i guess?). Buoyant will never go under 100 in the next 3 months...

Code2501

I got 1 motif (shoulders) after opening around 1k chests over a week of just running around in circles on a chest route. I've given up for now till they fix the ridiculous drop rate. I don't much care for content that effectively does not exist because of rng.

Synfaer

Incoming crown store special!
Be quick, only available for 4 days

Buoyant Armiger, complete Motif: 10,000 crowns

RaddlemanNumber7

Now 4 weeks of playing in Vvardenfell and I've still not found any pages of Buoyant Armiger.

johnnified

They fixed it "supposedly" in the patch notes.

No use for this thread anymore considering ZOS never saw it, nor gave a damn to comment on it.

./closethread

Taleof2Cities

Yep, ZOS did make a "change" per the patch notes ... time to give it a try again ladies and gentlemen.

General
Fixed an issue that caused chapters of the Bouyant Armiger motif to appear less often than intended. These chapters are still quite rare, even for those who have served Morrowind faithfully.