Early Acess

F7sus4

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.

Can't you guys fix your s#!t instead of completely unnecessarily rushing the release?

Ashtaris

As a PC player, I don't think most of us would have minded waiting a couple of weeks for the community to start Morrowind together along with the console users. That would give a couple more weeks to the PTS to work out a few more bugs and hopefully give ZOS a chance to tweak a few more of the balance changes that are sorely needed. Why the rush?

Kay1

Zyrudin wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

I don't know what is worse, Zenimax big lie or the PC community making fun of console players and ruining this thread.

I feel very ashamed to play on PC, but I've never seen anything more toxic than a PC community so I'm not very surprised.

I know many of you don't have experience in life but remember to be fair in life, always think about the rest because if you spend your life being as selfish as you guys are in this forum you guys will die alone or around fake tears.

Is that from a song or something?

Zyrudin wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

Why only PC players? Why is this information hidden? You said 20 times Morrowind was coming on June 6 for EVERYONE, another lie? Whao.

I don't know if you knew about it but a lot of people were excited about Morrowind getting released the same day so there will finally be a war between platforms to achieve the World First clear of the new Trial, PC players already got an advantage because of the PTS and now this, whao you guys just ruined it.

There will be a war? For being the first to clear content? Really?

WTF?

No offense intended, I am genuinely baffled - Is this what you people get up for in the morning?

I didn't mean war in a bad way, I should have said race, it was something I was really happy to see the release at the same time because I've done it in others game and there's nothing more beautiful to see console and PC community helping each other, talking about the mechanics and trying to get it cleared.

In this game I can understand that there's not a lot of people complaining due to the fact that Vet Trials are closed to the 5% of the player base and to only the 1% next patch but in others game is a very good thing.

Zyrudin

Kay1 wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

I don't know what is worse, Zenimax big lie or the PC community making fun of console players and ruining this thread.

I feel very ashamed to play on PC, but I've never seen anything more toxic than a PC community so I'm not very surprised.

I know many of you don't have experience in life but remember to be fair in life, always think about the rest because if you spend your life being as selfish as you guys are in this forum you guys will die alone or around fake tears.

Is that from a song or something?

No, it was a series in the 80's. Look it up to understand the reference and joke

Kay1 wrote: »

I didn't mean war in a bad way, I should have said race, it was something I was really happy to see the release at the same time because I've done it in others game and there's nothing more beautiful to see console and PC community helping each other, talking about the mechanics and trying to get it cleared.

In this game I can understand that there's not a lot of people complaining due to the fact that Vet Trials are closed to the 5% of the player base and to only the 1% next patch but in others game is a very good thing.

Even is it is a race, what is actually accomplished by "losing sleep" over who gets bragging rights for completing the trial first?

What I mean by this is that part of the fun in games is in the discovery, the journey. Finishing it quickly, or at least focusing on that, deprives people of that, in my opinion.

Tyrion87

Northern_Eve wrote: »

This is very unfortunate. I don't want Morrowind or the patch that comes with it. The changes to gameplay are pretty horrible. Very disappointing that I'm going to loose my functioning and fun main character/her build two weeks earlier than I thought. Our group is also practicing vMoL atm, the chances of completing that are going to plummet with the patch.

Even less reason to keep logging in. Oh well.

Exactly, these are my thoughts as well. Many people decided to progress vMoL HM before the patch and these are a really bad news for them, including me I think that more people would be willing to wait two more weeks just to enjoy the fast-paced combat a little longer... When I told my guildmates about this yesterday, the reactions were like: "WTF, noooo!" This proves how much people don't want the new patch to go out... That is really sad @ZOS_GinaBruno that people, instead of enjoying the early access to morrowind, don't want it so much. Most of us would prefer to delay it at least to the original date. Tbh I would like to be in the console users' shoes right now.

Pallmor

I understand why ZOS couldn't provide early access to console players, what with certification and all. But, with that in mind, I think that offering PC players early access (especially so much) was a bonehead PR move. And I say that as someone who plays almost exclusively on PC myself.

Console players in ESO already feel like ZOS's red-headed stepchildren, and this was bound to make that already bad situation even worse. It's an even more unfortunate move in light of the fact that they did this at a time when passions are already running stupid high over the nerfs and changes coming with this patch. It's perceived as a slap in the face to a class of players who already had a long history of being slighted; and that never produces good results.

And I agree with an earlier poster who said that he's ashamed by the posts on this thread bad-mouthing console players. They're every bit as much ESO players as those who play on PC. Some of you shouldn't let your "master race" arrogance make you forget that.

DRXHarbinger

Why does my Spider sense tingle when I think the pre release is a ploy to eliminate the PTS crying, the faster the release the less the hate can go on for.

Zos is about to really shoot themselves in the foot here, if this launch *** up they are in a world of trouble. If console trials aren't fixed with this launch the platform will die.

But hey at least if they are fixed Alcast will have a new trial guide set up for us. yay discovery will be fun.

Contraptions

I think the early PC release does feel quite rushed, many players are currently unhappy with the current balance on the PTS and even after all that feedback they don't change much. Instead, they're pushing the changes to live 2 weeks early. It's a bit... counterproductive I guess.

On the other hand, they're probably doing this to stagger the server load perhaps, PC will be the sacrificial lamb. If servers go boom it won't be as bad as if both PC and console went online together, and they'll be able to change some things for the anticipated console release.

Also, releasing on PC first always allows hidden bugs to be found. Which they will fix, and console might get the fixed version two weeks later. At least I hope that's how it works.

DRXHarbinger

^console will not get any fix two weeks later. Never has done. At launch on pc the patch will be in the queue with MS and too late to abort. It'll go live be disastrous, Gina will say "we appreciate it's less than ideal" and console may get a fix in two months time" this is from experience.

Darlgon

Royaji wrote: »

Since we are all enjoying our little conspiracy here... How long does an average PTS cycle take for ESO? 4 weeks. How long is the PTS for Morrowind now? 4 weeks. How long does it take to get the patch on consoles? 2 weeks after PC release. And the same happens with Morrowind.

I do not think it was a last ditch attempt to save the subs/preorders. MorrowInd's PTS testing has started way to early and stuff wasn't adding up. Now it all makes sense though, ZOS obviously planned this "early access" long ago. They probably wanted to make it a surprise for everyone and make PC crowd happy. But in truth it's just marketing fluff. Those release dates were set long before the PTS started.

You must be missing something.

The normal PTS cycle is SIX weeks, not four. They used to bring back the NA copies to test what they patched. Something happened to change that.

Yes, PTS has had Morrowind four weeks. NA players were expecting to get to test the changes between live and the new patch, with polish, with their characters. This is now not happening next week.

They have NOT changed the launch date for Morrowind. It is still 6/6/2017. Early access is just that, a benefit of preordering. They can give that to PC people easier than they can console people. They want the patch planned on Monday on the PTS, the FINAL coat of polish for a.. umm.... concerning pile of steaming.. errr.. stuf to go to console users. This means that they wont start the certification process until it has been, ever so slightly bug tested..

Darlgon

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Talvorian wrote: »

Everyone should not be debating over the Sony and MS thing... It's a smokescreen... wake up..

The real question is WHY the change of heart on release dates? That's what we all want to know.

Why since january has it been June 6th for ALL platforms?

Why today, was it announced that they want to do something 'special'?

I think everyone fully understands that there can be delays between console and pc releases of games and we are letting ZOS and @ZOS_GinaBruno off the hook by arguing with each other when we should be demanding to know WHY this decision was made to go early. To be clear, that's what this is.

Clearly, in the posts made, a decision was made to green light PC earlier than anticipated. We just want to know the WHY??

I am amazed at some of these posts. "Demanding"? What kind of person ends up with the emotions that lead to that kind of reaction to something like this?

It makes complete sense that you don't promise early access until you know that the game will be good to go by that time.

Why early? Because it is ready and there are no barriers to releasing on PC as soon as it is good to go.

ha.. Ha.. HA.. HHHHHAAAAAA.. /wipes tear.

I SURE hope you feel that it is ready on the 22nd.

SydneyGrey

Syrani wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Not sure why they're allowing early access, knowing that a bunch of people will get upset.
But I've played games before where PC and console versions had different release dates, so it isn't a surprise. It's just how it is sometimes with games.
I'm on PC, so yay me.

My guess? They expected Morrowind to be a smashing success and cash cow. When it was announced, I imagine lots of people preordered, and it probably looked like it WAS going to be a cash cow. Then, patch notes and PTS hit and people began getting refunds/cancelling subs. When they started bleeding subs and preorders began getting returned, they needed a way to stop the hemorrhage - enter the "early access". A last minute decision to get the hype train going again, and try to regain some lost revenue.

Now, that is all purely hypothetical, but it seems to be a reasonable explanation of why this is occurring. If it DID happen that way, then console getting left out was an unfortunate side effect of a desperate measure. If it didn't happen that way and this was planned all along, well, that's just a terrible business practice.

That's what I suspect, too. It's not fair to console players, though, but I can understand it from a business perspective.

faerigirl

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Why does my Spider sense tingle when I think the pre release is a ploy to eliminate the PTS crying, the faster the release the less the hate can go on for.

Zos is about to really shoot themselves in the foot here, if this launch *** up they are in a world of trouble. If console trials aren't fixed with this launch the platform will die.

But hey at least if they are fixed Alcast will have a new trial guide set up for us. yay discovery will be fun.

Early access is fairly common. I've been in about 15 different alpha/betas and all of them, including ESO had head start access before it was released to everyone.

But this doesn't make your 'spider sense' wrong

DRXHarbinger

faerigirl wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Why does my Spider sense tingle when I think the pre release is a ploy to eliminate the PTS crying, the faster the release the less the hate can go on for.

Zos is about to really shoot themselves in the foot here, if this launch *** up they are in a world of trouble. If console trials aren't fixed with this launch the platform will die.

But hey at least if they are fixed Alcast will have a new trial guide set up for us. yay discovery will be fun.

Early access is fairly common. I've been in about 15 different alpha/betas and all of them, including ESO had head start access before it was released to everyone.

But this doesn't make your 'spider sense' wrong

It is common yes. For instance battlefield and call of duty generally have done early access to pre order customers and some later Halo games...but on all platforms at once where they launched on.

I just feel given you can Google Morrowind it turns up a lot of hate topics quite easily and zos may have taken this option early to just kill of the negative information feeling it will harm sales. Realistically they aren't gaining anything from doing this.

faerigirl

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

faerigirl wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Why does my Spider sense tingle when I think the pre release is a ploy to eliminate the PTS crying, the faster the release the less the hate can go on for.

Zos is about to really shoot themselves in the foot here, if this launch *** up they are in a world of trouble. If console trials aren't fixed with this launch the platform will die.

But hey at least if they are fixed Alcast will have a new trial guide set up for us. yay discovery will be fun.

Early access is fairly common. I've been in about 15 different alpha/betas and all of them, including ESO had head start access before it was released to everyone.

But this doesn't make your 'spider sense' wrong

It is common yes. For instance battlefield and call of duty generally have done early access to pre order customers and some later Halo games...but on all platforms at once where they launched on.

I just feel given you can Google Morrowind it turns up a lot of hate topics quite easily and zos may have taken this option early to just kill of the negative information feeling it will harm sales. Realistically they aren't gaining anything from doing this.

Possibly. What they get is server load testing for all the content that their rabid customer base will chew up and spit out in a matter of days. I hope that things go well for ZOS, not only for this release but that everyone finds it worth the money and enjoys the content.

What I 'worry' about is that Morrowind will release full of lag and bugs. I would hate for them to take a big hate hit like they did with the release of ESO.

What I hope for this release is that everyone has a great time and that everyone gets their original Morrowind warm and fuzzys.

LadyDestiny

Why is this such a big deal? I have accounts on both pc and console. Not subbing on console but on xbox and don't care if I wait until june 6th. The only thing I don't want is all the spoilers for two weeks prior to xbox release. Yeah right.....peeps have to tell all...:(
Cry babies acting like five year olds because they want it now!

Keep_Door

I cant even believe some of these people... i mean i swear they are just complaining just to complain.... its mind boggling. Its like everything has to be spelled out and announced to everyone as an individual or everyone is just going to go bat *** crazy.......

I cant even i just cant...

Keep_Door

Avalon wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Never seen so many grown people cry.

Ah, so you would be fine buying a brand new car, that you see others getting 40 mpg, top-speed of 200, etc, and you only get 20 mpg, top speed of 40? Or would you be upset and voicing complaints that you paid the same amount, why don't you get the same quality and benefits? I am guessing you are just being a troll, because of your comment, and if I see it continue, I'll enjoy reporting you for doing that. These people, and myself, are not crying over ridiculous BS, but expecting the same results for the same price. If ZOS wants to give more benefits to PC (no matter the reason) they have an obligation to charge more on PC for those benefits, and less on console because we do not get the same as the PC players get. This is ESPECIALLY true since they are altering the deal AFTER people have already made purchases.

Businesses are NOT allowed to require the same prices for a product, then after people have made purchases, change the product so that some customers get more than they purchased. That is actually a LEGAL issue, and ZOS needs to fix it, because people could actually seek action for it. I don't know if any will, but, it CAN be done. Purchases have already been made, at this point, all customers must be treated equally under the original arrangement, and if any changes are made, ALL purchases must be treated to the SAME benefits.

I stopped reading this idiotic comparison because this sint a car ... its a video game ...

DRXHarbinger

Keep_Door wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Never seen so many grown people cry.

Ah, so you would be fine buying a brand new car, that you see others getting 40 mpg, top-speed of 200, etc, and you only get 20 mpg, top speed of 40? Or would you be upset and voicing complaints that you paid the same amount, why don't you get the same quality and benefits? I am guessing you are just being a troll, because of your comment, and if I see it continue, I'll enjoy reporting you for doing that. These people, and myself, are not crying over ridiculous BS, but expecting the same results for the same price. If ZOS wants to give more benefits to PC (no matter the reason) they have an obligation to charge more on PC for those benefits, and less on console because we do not get the same as the PC players get. This is ESPECIALLY true since they are altering the deal AFTER people have already made purchases.

Businesses are NOT allowed to require the same prices for a product, then after people have made purchases, change the product so that some customers get more than they purchased. That is actually a LEGAL issue, and ZOS needs to fix it, because people could actually seek action for it. I don't know if any will, but, it CAN be done. Purchases have already been made, at this point, all customers must be treated equally under the original arrangement, and if any changes are made, ALL purchases must be treated to the SAME benefits.

I stopped reading this idiotic comparison because this sint a car ... its a video game ...

Right here 10 year olds cannot understand anything to do with legality. Doesn't matter if it'd a car / game / TV. Product is product. Please go back to school.

AlienSlof

Krileon wrote: »

Christ you console people never stop whining. This is an exhausting treadmill. M$ and $ony REQUIRE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS OF ALL PATCHES THAT TAKES 1-3 WEEKS. They can't give you early access because of this. If you've a problem with that go complain to M$ and $ony already.

For once a PC game is focusing on PC first. Why should we have to wait another week because of something unrelated to PC entirely. So tired of patches and releases in other games being pushed due to consoles. We don't even play together so why do you even care. What about the tons of console exclusive games that never make it to PC or do after like 4 years of being on console? We've a lot more to complain about than you in regards to equality...

^ This. So very this. ^

Nyladreas

Runs wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Never seen so many grown people cry.

Can't have popcorn without a little extra salt...

Stupid outlanders!

ANGEL_BtVS

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

Too many to quote, but, apparently it doesn't matter what anyone says, you guys are going to continue to buy into the BS. Pretty much every other developer has managed to do what ZOS says they cannot do... and, what's worse, ZOS has managed to do what ZOS says they cannot do. They HAVE released patches within 24 hours of each other, the most recent being the Morrowind Prologue patch, which actually happened within mere hours of each other. I woke up that day, saw a new post about it being on PC and they were attempting to finish getting it on Xbox. I logged in, got the quest. So, the patch happened over night on all platforms.

ZOS can do it, they just choose not to. If anyone wishes to disagree, go check out... just about every other game on multiple platforms: FFXIV, ME:Andromeda, Division, Destiny, Magic the Gathering, etc etc etc... Why is it that ZOS is lying BLATANTLY to us?

Oh, and I don't remember which guy it was that said he had experience releasing games on Xbox... but, sorry, anecdotal evidence doesn't work, and even if it did, there are WAY too many examples showing you are wrong.

So if they initially had no plans for early release, but decided to do it early tlfor whatever reasons on pc, you are saying that zos has the authority to tell sony and microsoft to do their will?

You speak as if you know fact, when you just dont know. Its all speculation.

No, but, the fact that they spontaneously decided to do this without ANY consideration of how the console players would feel? That proves that console will always be a forgotten, at best afterthought, group. If they had come out and said, "2 week early release for PC, and because we cannot do the same for consoles due to certifications, we are granting an XP increase, or an extra crown crate, or 100 crown gems, etc"? All console players want is to actually be INCLUDED in their decisions, not a "Oh, and consoles will eventually get it too, but whatever".

As many have pointed out, consoles are still battling TONS of bugs, glitches, and broken BS that was fixed on PC long ago, if PC even ever had the problems to begin with.

Btw, I played in Beta on PC, I used to play ON the PC. My friends all pre-ordered console versions because that's what some of them only play on, and some of us don't have extra money to afford $1200 machines, so we all generally agree to just play on console. I figured there was a chance they would do transfers, and I had the extra money, and an ok PC that ran the beta just fine, so I started there, and now play where all of my friends play.

The problem is that ZOS has shown that they CAN do these things, which means one of two possibilities:
1- They knew they would do early access all along, and now show **** poor planning and consideration for console players by not having already sent in the certification requests etc, and are increasing the value of pre-ordering on PC, which is ethically corrupt and wrong.
2- They spontaneously decided to give PC early release, cannot get the certs through fast enough, but, who cares, not like console players will feel wronged by the PC people getting 2 extra weeks to do all of the firsts, do guides, etc etc...

PC people really do not get how this is wrong, and that is such a shame, showing how selfish they are by not feeling like getting an extra for the same price wrongs others. Imagine, this is like waking up a week before Christmas to find that your parents have decided to start giving your sibling a present every day until Christmas, when both of you will get the normal amount of gifts on that day as well. Shouldn't your sibling stop and say, "What about them? Aren't you going to do SOMETHING to make it up to them, too?"

Im on console and i dont care... i feel great actually, and like that they did this.

Same. I play on Xbox One and just don't care that PC gets it first. It's not like there is cross-platform gaming. A person isn't going to fire up their console version of the game and see people running around with two weeks of a head start. Sheesh...

Also, lulz at whoever said they paid to get the same thing as pc. No, you paid to receive the game on June 6 on the platform of your choice. That's what you're getting.

Rickter

I think what's been on my mind about all this is just the oddity of it all.

Why would a company announce on the 10th day of hte month that on the 22nd day of the month a major chapter update was happening?

Thats 12 days notice.

Thats urgency.

2 weeks early access? thats unprecedented as the vanilla game gave you a mere 5 days early access.

Everything my intuition is telling me is that there is something (or a lot) ZOS isnt telling us. You dont see this type of urgency to push a major patch unless there is an exploit or something of that critical nature that needs to be addressed.

Am i wrong in thinking this way? more transparency please, ZOS

grizzledcroc

good lord this discussion.

Korah_Eaglecry

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Why is this such a big deal? I have accounts on both pc and console. Not subbing on console but on xbox and don't care if I wait until june 6th. The only thing I don't want is all the spoilers for two weeks prior to xbox release. Yeah right.....peeps have to tell all...:(
Cry babies acting like five year olds because they want it now!

Ah yes. When you disagree with something the easiest thing you can do to wave it off is accuse others of being babies and children. Not even sure why you felt the need to reply to us children if thats how you felt.

This is changing the deal. Players on both PC and Console bought into the Pre-Orders without the promise or even a hint of an Early Access. Now three short weeks before release they suddenly drop this on us? And we're supposed to be happy about it? I guess in your head, however that brain works, people shouldnt speak up when they arent happy with a company. Feedback is only for praise right? Dont you dare have anything negative to say! You come off as a shill.

ZunaIceBear

Well, I'm now trying to log in into the support page to fill out the form, but I can't, because the Log In button won't work for me lol. Isn't it ironic xDD

WeyounTM

ZOS can't do anything right in the eyes of some people....

"Here...you get to play Morrowind earlier....enjoy"
"Waaaaah....that wasn't the deal i signed up for...."

Seriously, I feel for everybody working at ZOS....especially the community managers who have to cope with this kind of BS for a living. Gina, Jessica, Kai....keep your heads up. You are doing a great job for most of the players. While some people love to rage on the forums for whatever "FOTM"-reason....a lot of people enjoy playing your game. THX everyone @ZOS. I mean it...

t3hdubzy

WeyounTM wrote: »

ZOS can't do anything right in the eyes of some people....

"Here...you get to play Morrowind earlier....enjoy"
"Waaaaah....that wasn't the deal i signed up for...."

I agree with this. Some people are never happy. There is a conspiracy behind every corner. They only want to make money ( are they a charity?) They dont listen, they hate us, they dont play their own game, they dont know what they are doing, they hate console players, they hate pc players, they are hiding something.

Man this just gets tiring. The company is a business, they arent mandated to tell us everything. If they have dirty laundry do they really need to tell us? Do they need to check with us before making changes? Do a bunch of people who love video games so much they made a career out of it, really thrive on making bad games and bad decisions?

Listen these people arent perfect. Anyone whose ever worked for anyone but themselves knows that there are challenges.

TLDR the sky isnt falling

Kodrac

Kay1 wrote: »

I know many of you don't have experience in life but

Really? You said you were 19 in another thread. You don't have experience in life yet and you're telling randoms on a forum... You know what, nevermind. Get over yourself.

grizzledcroc

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