Early Acess

Cpt_Teemo

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

grim_tactics

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

Cpt_Teemo

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I wouldn't mind either way tbh

Kay1

Zyrudin wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

I don't know what is worse, Zenimax big lie or the PC community making fun of console players and ruining this thread.

I feel very ashamed to play on PC, but I've never seen anything more toxic than a PC community so I'm not very surprised.

I know many of you don't have experience in life but remember to be fair in life, always think about the rest because if you spend your life being as selfish as you guys are in this forum you guys will die alone or around fake tears.

Is that from a song or something?

No, it was a series in the 80's. Look it up to understand the reference and joke

Kay1 wrote: »

I didn't mean war in a bad way, I should have said race, it was something I was really happy to see the release at the same time because I've done it in others game and there's nothing more beautiful to see console and PC community helping each other, talking about the mechanics and trying to get it cleared.

In this game I can understand that there's not a lot of people complaining due to the fact that Vet Trials are closed to the 5% of the player base and to only the 1% next patch but in others game is a very good thing.

Even is it is a race, what is actually accomplished by "losing sleep" over who gets bragging rights for completing the trial first?

What I mean by this is that part of the fun in games is in the discovery, the journey. Finishing it quickly, or at least focusing on that, deprives people of that, in my opinion.

I forgot that also, yes, discovery is something that console players will never experience, because yeah you can choose between trying to complete it without checking a video first but no one do that, people will always try to search on google first and Alcast will probably release a video 1 day after release explaining the mechanics.

In that aspect is not Zenimax fault but the community who always go for the easy path.

I really hope one day they don't let PTS players try the new trials and at least block the access to trials for a specific day so It can be released for everyone at the same time, eyes blind trials day one will be just something amazing.

Kay1

Kodrac wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

I know many of you don't have experience in life but

Really? You said you were 19 in another thread. You don't have experience in life yet and you're telling randoms on a forum... You know what, nevermind. Get over yourself.

So now experience = age?

Tell that to Emmanuel Macron then .

If I'm not wrong you were the one making fun of my English?

If the question is how experienced and mature I am, I can assure you than I am 10 times more than you buddy.

Kodrac

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

I know I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. People get their knickers in a twist for the most trivial of things. Everything is a slight to them and insult. I think it's the snowflake (i know, bad word) mentality. They're unique and special in their minds and when something isn't to their liking they go nuts. The concept that the world isn't theirs and life's not fair is completely foreign.

Syrani

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

I am sure there would be just as much uproar, maybe more. However, for me personally, I don't want the patch to go live 2 weeks early. I just moved from PC EU to PC NA about 2 months ago. I was hoping to have more time to get my character up to speed before Morrowind so I could be a bit better equipped to handle the changes. If I could ask to be exempted from the early release and game changes, I certainly would. But now, it is what it is, and no matter how people feel about it, the early release will probably go forward as planned.

QuebraRegra

Pallmor wrote: »

I understand why ZOS couldn't provide early access to console players, what with certification and all. But, with that in mind, I think that offering PC players early access (especially so much) was a bonehead PR move. And I say that as someone who plays almost exclusively on PC myself.

Console players in ESO already feel like ZOS's red-headed stepchildren, and this was bound to make that already bad situation even worse. It's an even more unfortunate move in light of the fact that they did this at a time when passions are already running stupid high over the nerfs and changes coming with this patch. It's perceived as a slap in the face to a class of players who already had a long history of being slighted; and that never produces good results.

And I agree with an earlier poster who said that he's ashamed by the posts on this thread bad-mouthing console players. They're every bit as much ESO players as those who play on PC. Some of you shouldn't let your "master race" arrogance make you forget that.

you do know that the game it's self was released for PC LOOOONG before it ever came to consoles right?

it's pretty much a non-issue and standard for the game for the PC patches, etc to be released BEFORE the consoles. Look at it like this, the PC players are really just beta testing the game for us on console

JKorr

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

Peekachu99

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Galwylin

Geez, I thought I was bad on ZOS. We used to run into this constantly when I played DCUO on the PS3. Its what prompted me to switch to the PC. Sony (and Microsoft) have some committee of something that blocks things unless the company has a prearranged deal in place (I assume by deal they mean money). Would I be upset about console having early access over PC? Yeah, I would being as there is no roadblock to releasing something early on PC. It isn't just ZOS affected by the way consoles operate. Though it shows more with surprise early releases. I'm sure this would have been no different than the June 6th release on all platforms if the plan for it was in place earlier.

NewBlacksmurf

Rickter wrote: »

I think what's been on my mind about all this is just the oddity of it all.

Why would a company announce on the 10th day of hte month that on the 22nd day of the month a major chapter update was happening?

Thats 12 days notice.

Thats urgency.

2 weeks early access? thats unprecedented as the vanilla game gave you a mere 5 days early access.

Everything my intuition is telling me is that there is something (or a lot) ZOS isnt telling us. You dont see this type of urgency to push a major patch unless there is an exploit or something of that critical nature that needs to be addressed.

Am i wrong in thinking this way? more transparency please, ZOS

@Rickter
It's very different and while I don't think it has anything to do with an exploit, the timing of it all raises eyebrows.

I think the community as a whole is getting to a point where we honestly believe anything is unlikely as well as don't be surprised if...

I have my observations and have expressed my opinions on the matter but it's been interesting to read different opinions and points of view because people are so easily influenced.

I do expect more eyebrow raising announcements between now and June 30th tho so at this point the forums has become a type of reality show rather than what it should be.

F7sus4

t3hdubzy wrote: »

I agree with this. Some people are never happy. There is a conspiracy behind every corner. They only want to make money ( are they a charity?) They dont listen, they hate us, they dont play their own game, they dont know what they are doing, they hate console players, they hate pc players, they are hiding something.

Don't play the "smart guy" card. This won't bring you into any exclusive area. There's no "conspiracy". There are just facts being facts. 2+2 still gives 4. A is A and B is B. And ZOS still can't clear vMOL without dev god-mode. Defending those guys is like telling that 2-year old has smart ideas about chess play. Some people believe that crap. The other ones will ask you to get real and down to earth. Now please do so. Thanks!

Avalon

First: I am not impatient for myself. I am, at best, a casual player. I have no plans for doing trials, and hate PVP (so will probably not like BGs either). I am more concerned that OTHERS who are very competitive, even across platforms, because, yeah, looks nice saying "First on Xbox", but much better, "First EVER". Not to mention, because of the 2 weeks, plus beta, plus everything else, those "First on Xbox" people could easily be told, "Yeah, but 2 weeks and beta, you had tons of guides and videos, is it REALLY that big of an achievement? We had to do it without anyone having figured out the perfect way..." >.< I know those competitive types, and this IS a big deal for a lot of them... however, because I am casual, and they are not, I am standing at a wayshrine in game, wasting time, typing this out, while THEY are too busy and doing elitist things, more power to them... I just want my Warden and to see Morrowind, and am a very strong advocate for equality and all of that.

Second: Does not matter what product it is, be it a game, a car, a house, a pencil, apples, whatever. The equation works the same. If I buy X for Z, and you do too, then afterwards, they also give you Y for no damn reason, other than poor planning on THEIR part, they have a legal obligation to also give ME Y. ZOS only has 2 options: to equal the value out somehow, be it through 2 weeks early access for console, or after release on console to lock out Morrowind for PC players for 2 weeks, or to give console pre-orders some other incentive that equals out; OR, to remove early access from PC players, so that all players are equal again. That would suck, but, I wonder, how many players on the forums would get ****ED if ZOS said they were taking it back, or going to lock it out for 2 weeks after console release? Hmm... Equality sometimes doesn't feel so great, right?

Third: Some of you PC players need either a snickers, a reality check, a class in basic economics, or something. Your posts only amount to not thinking clearly, getting overly antagonistic, lack of real education about so many basic things, and trolling at its worst.

Fourth: So many keep pointing out that there is a cert time... I don't care if you believe what MS and Sony have released to the public in their speeches about how this works, or the vast number of games that do it without time, or EVEN ZOS being able to do, and they HAVE done it, yet, you still think it cannot be done... BUT, regardless, if they knew there was a certification time (which they claim they do!), and they knew how long that cert time is... All they had to do was think ahead and plan the actual release for a couple of weeks after that could be finished, and then, release early access to EVERYONE that pre-ordered. They choose continually to NOT do this.

And, Fifth: if you really think they are doing this so that consoles get a better, less glitchy, version? Come play on console... lol We still have crap that has been busted for a huge amount of time (Maw anyone?), while PC has it fixed. Do not delude yourself into thinking console will have even remotely better version because PC got 2 extra weeks of 'beta' testing, because that is complete BS. Plus, remember they have to code differently, so whatever is fixed on PC might not translate over to console at all, so, completely ridiculous argument.

ManwithBeard9

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

Not necessarily. They are a year behind content wise because they had to redevelop the game for 2 other platforms. Every time they release a new major update, they have to make 3 versions, test 3 versions, fix any unknown issues on all 3 versions as they pop up. All the while, spending more money to purchase and continually spending more money to maintain additional servers for NA and EU. Also the money spent for equipment to develop 2 additional versions.

For all we know, if they never went to consoles, the game may still be subscription based. We may have actually gotten spell crafting added into the game.

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Dasovaruilos

As others have said, not launching on the same date for all platforms is just a decision made by ZoS. There is no marketspeak or sugarcoating around the fact that ZoS could keep the release date the same if they wanted.

Another fallacy is that console players benefits from PC getting a bugged version first. PC usually gets the bugs fixed in the first couple of weeks and then console gets the same buggy first patch and stays with it for a whole month. Just check the version numbers on console patches. We get monthly patches, and sometimes they don't include all fixes that have been on PC for more than 30 days.

I don't really mind they releasing it on PC earlier for smaller stuff.

What makes me angry here is that ZoS made the story important, ZoS made spoilers a bad thing with the NDA. And I supported that.

I've been avoiding spoilers ever since they announced the NDA, in hopes I could experience Morrowind completely unbiased.

Now, it will be all but impossible to not have spoilers unless I completely ignore Twitter, Reddit, foruns, YouTube for two weeks...

Waffennacht

At least there wasn't a PC to console transfer that didn't mess up our economy because of early access... Wait a sec...

Tipsy247

QuebraRegra wrote: »

you do know that the game it's self was released for PC LOOOONG before it ever came to consoles right?

JKorr wrote: »

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

Just wanted to point out that this game, at least as early as a year before the PC release date, was not PC only. It came to consoles later because of porting problems.

Its been years now. Honestly, I don't understand why ZOS can't plan (or in this case- keep) a unified released date across all platforms.

I also wanted to clarify that I am not angry at PC players for getting this early access, and I think that is the same view from many other console players posting. It is a really nice bonus for them to get the early access. From the customer base that doesn't get any bonuses, it sucks to be left out.

TheImperfect

I am soo looking forward to it....I just wish I was around for it....I've got to travel around that date and won't be back until the 4th June unfortunately.

JKorr

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Or possibly settled into a niche game market, with a smaller but stable player base. Who knows? After the bad experiences with xbox and ps3/4 for other Bethesda published games, I don't know why anyone thought bringing this game to consoles would be different. But they did, and only delayed the console release for a year due to issues getting the game to work, and certification fun. Would have been interesting to see what content they could have released if they hadn't been working on the console versions. :shrug:

As for the relative ages of console users; I can accept the idea that there are some out there who are older, mature, responsible adults. Going by how some console users post here, I don't know how many of the older mature ones actually play ESO however. The "We deserve compensation/crown crates because the pc is getting Morrowind early and console users aren't" is kind of a case in point. Although I grant you there are less than mature players on all the platforms.

Avalon

JKorr wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Or possibly settled into a niche game market, with a smaller but stable player base. Who knows? After the bad experiences with xbox and ps3/4 for other Bethesda published games, I don't know why anyone thought bringing this game to consoles would be different. But they did, and only delayed the console release for a year due to issues getting the game to work, and certification fun. Would have been interesting to see what content they could have released if they hadn't been working on the console versions. :shrug:

As for the relative ages of console users; I can accept the idea that there are some out there who are older, mature, responsible adults. Going by how some console users post here, I don't know how many of the older mature ones actually play ESO however. The "We deserve compensation/crown crates because the pc is getting Morrowind early and console users aren't" is kind of a case in point. Although I grant you there are less than mature players on all the platforms.

Wow... so, expectations of equal treatment for paying the same amount is immature, and willingness to bend over and apathetically accept being screwed is a sign of maturity? I'm glad I missed THAT bus... I am 40 years old, and not once in my life, for ME or for anyone else, have I been one to sit on the sidelines and accept anyone being screwed, and I definitely don't treat others that way, even if it is to my own detriment. If something is only worth a specific price, I sell it for that price (and I don't mean the ridiculous pawn broker prices listed on items). That carries over into RL, too.

I only expect ZOS to do what is ethically right. If two, or three or more, groups of people buy an advertised product under the listed descriptions, and they LATER change that for any portion of the customers, they are OBLIGATED under law (assuming they refuse to do it under their own good nature) to fix it so that ALL parties are treated equally and fairly.

You can continue to just bend over and take it, but that is YOUR choice, don't start bringing maturity into this, because it isn't like we are playing for free, get this for free, and we expect more. WE PAID MONEY FOR A PRODUCT, and that product changed AFTER we paid, but only for some, they need to own up and make it fair for ALL. That isn't immature 'entitlement', that is fairness and equality in business and marketing practices.

Kay1

Avalon wrote: »

First: I am not impatient for myself. I am, at best, a casual player. I have no plans for doing trials, and hate PVP (so will probably not like BGs either). I am more concerned that OTHERS who are very competitive, even across platforms, because, yeah, looks nice saying "First on Xbox", but much better, "First EVER". Not to mention, because of the 2 weeks, plus beta, plus everything else, those "First on Xbox" people could easily be told, "Yeah, but 2 weeks and beta, you had tons of guides and videos, is it REALLY that big of an achievement? We had to do it without anyone having figured out the perfect way..." >.< I know those competitive types, and this IS a big deal for a lot of them... however, because I am casual, and they are not, I am standing at a wayshrine in game, wasting time, typing this out, while THEY are too busy and doing elitist things, more power to them... I just want my Warden and to see Morrowind, and am a very strong advocate for equality and all of that.

Second: Does not matter what product it is, be it a game, a car, a house, a pencil, apples, whatever. The equation works the same. If I buy X for Z, and you do too, then afterwards, they also give you Y for no damn reason, other than poor planning on THEIR part, they have a legal obligation to also give ME Y. ZOS only has 2 options: to equal the value out somehow, be it through 2 weeks early access for console, or after release on console to lock out Morrowind for PC players for 2 weeks, or to give console pre-orders some other incentive that equals out; OR, to remove early access from PC players, so that all players are equal again. That would suck, but, I wonder, how many players on the forums would get ****ED if ZOS said they were taking it back, or going to lock it out for 2 weeks after console release? Hmm... Equality sometimes doesn't feel so great, right?

Third: Some of you PC players need either a snickers, a reality check, a class in basic economics, or something. Your posts only amount to not thinking clearly, getting overly antagonistic, lack of real education about so many basic things, and trolling at its worst.

Fourth: So many keep pointing out that there is a cert time... I don't care if you believe what MS and Sony have released to the public in their speeches about how this works, or the vast number of games that do it without time, or EVEN ZOS being able to do, and they HAVE done it, yet, you still think it cannot be done... BUT, regardless, if they knew there was a certification time (which they claim they do!), and they knew how long that cert time is... All they had to do was think ahead and plan the actual release for a couple of weeks after that could be finished, and then, release early access to EVERYONE that pre-ordered. They choose continually to NOT do this.

And, Fifth: if you really think they are doing this so that consoles get a better, less glitchy, version? Come play on console... lol We still have crap that has been busted for a huge amount of time (Maw anyone?), while PC has it fixed. Do not delude yourself into thinking console will have even remotely better version because PC got 2 extra weeks of 'beta' testing, because that is complete BS. Plus, remember they have to code differently, so whatever is fixed on PC might not translate over to console at all, so, completely ridiculous argument.

Read the whole papyrus, was worthy.

Well done sir, you got the point

Royaji

Avalon wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Or possibly settled into a niche game market, with a smaller but stable player base. Who knows? After the bad experiences with xbox and ps3/4 for other Bethesda published games, I don't know why anyone thought bringing this game to consoles would be different. But they did, and only delayed the console release for a year due to issues getting the game to work, and certification fun. Would have been interesting to see what content they could have released if they hadn't been working on the console versions. :shrug:

As for the relative ages of console users; I can accept the idea that there are some out there who are older, mature, responsible adults. Going by how some console users post here, I don't know how many of the older mature ones actually play ESO however. The "We deserve compensation/crown crates because the pc is getting Morrowind early and console users aren't" is kind of a case in point. Although I grant you there are less than mature players on all the platforms.

Wow... so, expectations of equal treatment for paying the same amount is immature, and willingness to bend over and apathetically accept being screwed is a sign of maturity? I'm glad I missed THAT bus... I am 40 years old, and not once in my life, for ME or for anyone else, have I been one to sit on the sidelines and accept anyone being screwed, and I definitely don't treat others that way, even if it is to my own detriment. If something is only worth a specific price, I sell it for that price (and I don't mean the ridiculous pawn broker prices listed on items). That carries over into RL, too.

I only expect ZOS to do what is ethically right. If two, or three or more, groups of people buy an advertised product under the listed descriptions, and they LATER change that for any portion of the customers, they are OBLIGATED under law (assuming they refuse to do it under their own good nature) to fix it so that ALL parties are treated equally and fairly.

You can continue to just bend over and take it, but that is YOUR choice, don't start bringing maturity into this, because it isn't like we are playing for free, get this for free, and we expect more. WE PAID MONEY FOR A PRODUCT, and that product changed AFTER we paid, but only for some, they need to own up and make it fair for ALL. That isn't immature 'entitlement', that is fairness and equality in business and marketing practices.

But we have not bought the same product. ESO:Morrowind for PC and ESO: Morrowind for PS4 or Xbox are all different products. You can't play on PC if you've bought a PS4 version and vice versa. It doesn't matter if we pay the same amount.

People who bought ESO: Morrowind for PC all got early access. And all who bought for PS4/Xbox didn't. Noone is breaking your rights and any laws here.

They are different products.

Avalon

Royaji wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Or possibly settled into a niche game market, with a smaller but stable player base. Who knows? After the bad experiences with xbox and ps3/4 for other Bethesda published games, I don't know why anyone thought bringing this game to consoles would be different. But they did, and only delayed the console release for a year due to issues getting the game to work, and certification fun. Would have been interesting to see what content they could have released if they hadn't been working on the console versions. :shrug:

As for the relative ages of console users; I can accept the idea that there are some out there who are older, mature, responsible adults. Going by how some console users post here, I don't know how many of the older mature ones actually play ESO however. The "We deserve compensation/crown crates because the pc is getting Morrowind early and console users aren't" is kind of a case in point. Although I grant you there are less than mature players on all the platforms.

Wow... so, expectations of equal treatment for paying the same amount is immature, and willingness to bend over and apathetically accept being screwed is a sign of maturity? I'm glad I missed THAT bus... I am 40 years old, and not once in my life, for ME or for anyone else, have I been one to sit on the sidelines and accept anyone being screwed, and I definitely don't treat others that way, even if it is to my own detriment. If something is only worth a specific price, I sell it for that price (and I don't mean the ridiculous pawn broker prices listed on items). That carries over into RL, too.

I only expect ZOS to do what is ethically right. If two, or three or more, groups of people buy an advertised product under the listed descriptions, and they LATER change that for any portion of the customers, they are OBLIGATED under law (assuming they refuse to do it under their own good nature) to fix it so that ALL parties are treated equally and fairly.

You can continue to just bend over and take it, but that is YOUR choice, don't start bringing maturity into this, because it isn't like we are playing for free, get this for free, and we expect more. WE PAID MONEY FOR A PRODUCT, and that product changed AFTER we paid, but only for some, they need to own up and make it fair for ALL. That isn't immature 'entitlement', that is fairness and equality in business and marketing practices.

But we have not bought the same product. ESO:Morrowind for PC and ESO: Morrowind for PS4 or Xbox are all different products. You can't play on PC if you've bought a PS4 version and vice versa. It doesn't matter if we pay the same amount.

People who bought ESO: Morrowind for PC all got early access. And all who bought for PS4/Xbox didn't. Noone is breaking your rights and any laws here.

They are different products.

No, they really aren't. Other than platform, they were advertised with the exact same benefits and package details. Literally, the only difference between the packages, was platform. You cannot change the package details after purchases, unless it is across the board, or at least impartial as best as can be done. The least that should happen is ZOS attempting to make it up somehow, the worst I could see is ZOS losing a ton of customers, and maybe some form of legal action. Pretty sure they would win, as well, there are so many petty lawsuits out there that win, I could see this, which has justification behind it, going pretty far. And, yeah, some players that are jaded and just willingly take whatever screwing happens along, they might ignore it... but, I have yet to find a single person in-game that wasn't immediately upset over this. All I have to tell them is, "PC is getting early access on May 22nd." and they launch into how much BS that is. It is bad business, bad ethics, and if not completely illegal, at the very least PUSHING the boundaries enough that any court would be against it.

ManwithBeard9

Avalon wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Or possibly settled into a niche game market, with a smaller but stable player base. Who knows? After the bad experiences with xbox and ps3/4 for other Bethesda published games, I don't know why anyone thought bringing this game to consoles would be different. But they did, and only delayed the console release for a year due to issues getting the game to work, and certification fun. Would have been interesting to see what content they could have released if they hadn't been working on the console versions. :shrug:

As for the relative ages of console users; I can accept the idea that there are some out there who are older, mature, responsible adults. Going by how some console users post here, I don't know how many of the older mature ones actually play ESO however. The "We deserve compensation/crown crates because the pc is getting Morrowind early and console users aren't" is kind of a case in point. Although I grant you there are less than mature players on all the platforms.

Wow... so, expectations of equal treatment for paying the same amount is immature, and willingness to bend over and apathetically accept being screwed is a sign of maturity? I'm glad I missed THAT bus... I am 40 years old, and not once in my life, for ME or for anyone else, have I been one to sit on the sidelines and accept anyone being screwed, and I definitely don't treat others that way, even if it is to my own detriment. If something is only worth a specific price, I sell it for that price (and I don't mean the ridiculous pawn broker prices listed on items). That carries over into RL, too.

I only expect ZOS to do what is ethically right. If two, or three or more, groups of people buy an advertised product under the listed descriptions, and they LATER change that for any portion of the customers, they are OBLIGATED under law (assuming they refuse to do it under their own good nature) to fix it so that ALL parties are treated equally and fairly.

You can continue to just bend over and take it, but that is YOUR choice, don't start bringing maturity into this, because it isn't like we are playing for free, get this for free, and we expect more. WE PAID MONEY FOR A PRODUCT, and that product changed AFTER we paid, but only for some, they need to own up and make it fair for ALL. That isn't immature 'entitlement', that is fairness and equality in business and marketing practices.

But we have not bought the same product. ESO:Morrowind for PC and ESO: Morrowind for PS4 or Xbox are all different products. You can't play on PC if you've bought a PS4 version and vice versa. It doesn't matter if we pay the same amount.

People who bought ESO: Morrowind for PC all got early access. And all who bought for PS4/Xbox didn't. Noone is breaking your rights and any laws here.

They are different products.

No, they really aren't. Other than platform, they were advertised with the exact same benefits and package details. Literally, the only difference between the packages, was platform. You cannot change the package details after purchases, unless it is across the board, or at least impartial as best as can be done. The least that should happen is ZOS attempting to make it up somehow, the worst I could see is ZOS losing a ton of customers, and maybe some form of legal action. Pretty sure they would win, as well, there are so many petty lawsuits out there that win, I could see this, which has justification behind it, going pretty far. And, yeah, some players that are jaded and just willingly take whatever screwing happens along, they might ignore it... but, I have yet to find a single person in-game that wasn't immediately upset over this. All I have to tell them is, "PC is getting early access on May 22nd." and they launch into how much BS that is. It is bad business, bad ethics, and if not completely illegal, at the very least PUSHING the boundaries enough that any court would be against it.

So because ZOS changed the delivery date for one product (and thats the only thing thats changed) that some people purchased (no one that wanted to play on console), youre threatening a lawsuit? Good luck with that.

Avalon

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Or possibly settled into a niche game market, with a smaller but stable player base. Who knows? After the bad experiences with xbox and ps3/4 for other Bethesda published games, I don't know why anyone thought bringing this game to consoles would be different. But they did, and only delayed the console release for a year due to issues getting the game to work, and certification fun. Would have been interesting to see what content they could have released if they hadn't been working on the console versions. :shrug:

As for the relative ages of console users; I can accept the idea that there are some out there who are older, mature, responsible adults. Going by how some console users post here, I don't know how many of the older mature ones actually play ESO however. The "We deserve compensation/crown crates because the pc is getting Morrowind early and console users aren't" is kind of a case in point. Although I grant you there are less than mature players on all the platforms.

Wow... so, expectations of equal treatment for paying the same amount is immature, and willingness to bend over and apathetically accept being screwed is a sign of maturity? I'm glad I missed THAT bus... I am 40 years old, and not once in my life, for ME or for anyone else, have I been one to sit on the sidelines and accept anyone being screwed, and I definitely don't treat others that way, even if it is to my own detriment. If something is only worth a specific price, I sell it for that price (and I don't mean the ridiculous pawn broker prices listed on items). That carries over into RL, too.

I only expect ZOS to do what is ethically right. If two, or three or more, groups of people buy an advertised product under the listed descriptions, and they LATER change that for any portion of the customers, they are OBLIGATED under law (assuming they refuse to do it under their own good nature) to fix it so that ALL parties are treated equally and fairly.

You can continue to just bend over and take it, but that is YOUR choice, don't start bringing maturity into this, because it isn't like we are playing for free, get this for free, and we expect more. WE PAID MONEY FOR A PRODUCT, and that product changed AFTER we paid, but only for some, they need to own up and make it fair for ALL. That isn't immature 'entitlement', that is fairness and equality in business and marketing practices.

But we have not bought the same product. ESO:Morrowind for PC and ESO: Morrowind for PS4 or Xbox are all different products. You can't play on PC if you've bought a PS4 version and vice versa. It doesn't matter if we pay the same amount.

People who bought ESO: Morrowind for PC all got early access. And all who bought for PS4/Xbox didn't. Noone is breaking your rights and any laws here.

They are different products.

No, they really aren't. Other than platform, they were advertised with the exact same benefits and package details. Literally, the only difference between the packages, was platform. You cannot change the package details after purchases, unless it is across the board, or at least impartial as best as can be done. The least that should happen is ZOS attempting to make it up somehow, the worst I could see is ZOS losing a ton of customers, and maybe some form of legal action. Pretty sure they would win, as well, there are so many petty lawsuits out there that win, I could see this, which has justification behind it, going pretty far. And, yeah, some players that are jaded and just willingly take whatever screwing happens along, they might ignore it... but, I have yet to find a single person in-game that wasn't immediately upset over this. All I have to tell them is, "PC is getting early access on May 22nd." and they launch into how much BS that is. It is bad business, bad ethics, and if not completely illegal, at the very least PUSHING the boundaries enough that any court would be against it.

So because ZOS changed the delivery date for one product (and thats the only thing thats changed) that some people purchased (no one that wanted to play on console), youre threatening a lawsuit? Good luck with that.

You really need to understand how the English language works... Just because I say something CAN happen, does not mean it will, and means even less that it would be ME that does it. But, enjoy putting words in other people's mouths, that's a great tactic if you are planning on running for government, or being a used car salesman...

ManwithBeard9

Avalon wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah most of these console players believe that you should get 2 birthdays a year or something just because one person gets something 2 weeks earlier doesn't mean they'll get it again later.

Couldn't imagine the PC rage if this early access was for Console.

Not saying it would be you, just saying in general.

Easy to call people out when PC is the one getting it and not console. I really wished I could see this forum if they announced console got it first.

I remember all the butthurt from PC players when they announced the game was being made for Xbone and PS4. Some funny stuff when they announced that.

You mean like the first two dlc for Skyrim and at least one for Fallout3 were released a month early for consoles and pc players had to wait? Granted, that was Bethesda publishing, but it has happened before.

I was hoping the game would remain pc only. No console limitations to take into account, or outrage that a subscription was required. Would be interesting to see what the game would have been if it had remained pc only.

It would be dead, or actually Pay to Win, since by ZoS's latest PR on the issue, the platforms were an almost even split. So that's 2/3 of the revenue down the toilet.

This whole: consoles are garbage, their community is crap/ young/ dumb/ whatever needs to stop. Console players have contributed more than their fair share to this game. Last year's ESA report actually puts most console gamers in their thirties, so these are people with jobs, responsiblities and higher than average disposable income--the ones ZoS should be catering to.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/29/11539102/gaming-stats-2016-esa-essential-facts

Or possibly settled into a niche game market, with a smaller but stable player base. Who knows? After the bad experiences with xbox and ps3/4 for other Bethesda published games, I don't know why anyone thought bringing this game to consoles would be different. But they did, and only delayed the console release for a year due to issues getting the game to work, and certification fun. Would have been interesting to see what content they could have released if they hadn't been working on the console versions. :shrug:

As for the relative ages of console users; I can accept the idea that there are some out there who are older, mature, responsible adults. Going by how some console users post here, I don't know how many of the older mature ones actually play ESO however. The "We deserve compensation/crown crates because the pc is getting Morrowind early and console users aren't" is kind of a case in point. Although I grant you there are less than mature players on all the platforms.

Wow... so, expectations of equal treatment for paying the same amount is immature, and willingness to bend over and apathetically accept being screwed is a sign of maturity? I'm glad I missed THAT bus... I am 40 years old, and not once in my life, for ME or for anyone else, have I been one to sit on the sidelines and accept anyone being screwed, and I definitely don't treat others that way, even if it is to my own detriment. If something is only worth a specific price, I sell it for that price (and I don't mean the ridiculous pawn broker prices listed on items). That carries over into RL, too.

I only expect ZOS to do what is ethically right. If two, or three or more, groups of people buy an advertised product under the listed descriptions, and they LATER change that for any portion of the customers, they are OBLIGATED under law (assuming they refuse to do it under their own good nature) to fix it so that ALL parties are treated equally and fairly.

You can continue to just bend over and take it, but that is YOUR choice, don't start bringing maturity into this, because it isn't like we are playing for free, get this for free, and we expect more. WE PAID MONEY FOR A PRODUCT, and that product changed AFTER we paid, but only for some, they need to own up and make it fair for ALL. That isn't immature 'entitlement', that is fairness and equality in business and marketing practices.

But we have not bought the same product. ESO:Morrowind for PC and ESO: Morrowind for PS4 or Xbox are all different products. You can't play on PC if you've bought a PS4 version and vice versa. It doesn't matter if we pay the same amount.

People who bought ESO: Morrowind for PC all got early access. And all who bought for PS4/Xbox didn't. Noone is breaking your rights and any laws here.

They are different products.

No, they really aren't. Other than platform, they were advertised with the exact same benefits and package details. Literally, the only difference between the packages, was platform. You cannot change the package details after purchases, unless it is across the board, or at least impartial as best as can be done. The least that should happen is ZOS attempting to make it up somehow, the worst I could see is ZOS losing a ton of customers, and maybe some form of legal action. Pretty sure they would win, as well, there are so many petty lawsuits out there that win, I could see this, which has justification behind it, going pretty far. And, yeah, some players that are jaded and just willingly take whatever screwing happens along, they might ignore it... but, I have yet to find a single person in-game that wasn't immediately upset over this. All I have to tell them is, "PC is getting early access on May 22nd." and they launch into how much BS that is. It is bad business, bad ethics, and if not completely illegal, at the very least PUSHING the boundaries enough that any court would be against it.

So because ZOS changed the delivery date for one product (and thats the only thing thats changed) that some people purchased (no one that wanted to play on console), youre threatening a lawsuit? Good luck with that.

You really need to understand how the English language works... Just because I say something CAN happen, does not mean it will, and means even less that it would be ME that does it. But, enjoy putting words in other people's mouths, that's a great tactic if you are planning on running for government, or being a used car salesman...

Itd be pretty good tactic working at ZOS too apparently.

AnnieBeGood

I am so looking forward to getting early access...... I really want a warden..... and I don't know why people are griping. Things is what they is..... accept and move on.

Summerchild

Please note that if you do not apply the code included with your physical PC/Mac ESO: Morrowind Collector's Edition within two days of launch, we will send an email alerting you that you will lose access to ESO: Morrowind content within 24 hours. So be sure to apply the code as soon as you pick up your copy!

So, I did pre-order a box with a dwemer robot from Game.co.uk. As I understand it, the code will be on some sticker in the box. However, what happens if the box is not delivered to me in 2 days of launch, or if I'm not at home, and cannot open it to redeem the code?

I mean, srsly?..