(NA) Real and fake 1vXer's and small man's

Rudyard

Sometimes I surf the zerg, sometimes the zerg surfs me. You'll find me usually yolo'ing into a mass of enemy players wherever the opportunity presents itself.

Goshua

Real zergVzerg'ger
Fake solo player

Dutchessx

donJay wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

True Heroes of Cyrodil

- Use zone chat to report enemy movements, coordinate groups and create a positive atmosphere with words of solidarity
- Respond to calls for help from other individuals and groups in there faction
- Lead groups and finds ways to help train and support new players
- Are not overly concerned with AP/gain per hour, even if they enjoy AP farming. Maybe they are not obsessed with winning a campaign but at least they try to make decisions that will have a positive impact for their faction
- Do not go out of their way to insult individuals or groups, or prove that they are better than others. They earn respect through their deeds of heroism.

Those are the bad players though. They make up for their play with zone spam. Just sayin'

I disagree Donjay. When I am out solo if I see a large group that is getting ready to light a keep I will put it in zone & then kill as many as I can before the zergs show up. If I feel like it I will stay & help defend the keep which I will do most of the time anyway. If it is to many people I'll just leave. Quite frankly if I am solo I don't care about the AP I just want some good fights or a good challenge. That is why I'll at times just jump in not caring because I know I will die I just want to see how many I can take with me. Or there are times I just want to hunt other players win or loose it is about the fight.

kevlarto_ESO

All these labels and categories what does it do and why do people care what others do or call themselves, /shrug

NightbladeMechanics

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

All these labels and categories what does it do and why do people care what others do or call themselves, /shrug

Just a way of describing play styles. Same as naming industries in irl work, or subjects of study at school.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

IMPORTANT UPDATE: I have found the ultimate test to determine is someone is a real or fake 1vXer.

step 1: get a group of 2-9 people(for this test you need a X)
step 2: find and isolate the 1VXer. the 1vXer MUST be alone, so if you have to wipe his friends/pugs/ zerg it is surfing in.
step 3: ZERG THE PLAYER, if the player dies it is a fake 1vXer, if the player kills anyone in your group and survives (fleeing is a valid tactic) or wipes your group, the player is a true 1vXer.

if any ad or dc wants to take the 1vX test, Pst PM PuG shell shock, ty.

FENGRUSH

Mustard wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

I would quickly like to explain the main differences between Real and fake 1vXer's and small man's.

Fake 1vXer
plays solo but they mainly fight near friendly zergs
. Looks no different from other players that are in the zerg
Always faction zerging, using single target ults on players already getting zerged to get the KB
Never places siege, waits for others to siege. often stays in stealth in a live siege line
often have high burst/ high damage builds, doesnt not need much sustain because of the zerg safety net.
always has Pug support.
also cares about AP, but will complain if the map is an off faction color or lack of an organized siege offensive.
will log on another factions if their is not a zerg to sustain them.
Makes fun of others for Zerging.
Never places camps.
Often uses cookie cutter youtube builds


Real 1VXer
Mostly fights by themselves in open fields or near resources
Rarely if ever, do they faction Zerg.
Have strong solo builds
often fights outnumbered
generally cares about good fights and AP hunts
only place down siege when they have to.
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.


Fake small man
plays with 4-8 others but only really plays in faction zergs.
cant really tell them apart from the Zerg unless you know them.
Does not siege and cannot take a keep by themselves, waits for others to siege.
Zergs with other small mans.
Will zerg guilds with faction and claim credit for wiping them
will run Healing springs for getting ap when healing the zergs
Mostly fake 1vXers.
will never admit to zerging.

Real Small man
Sieges and takes objectives
Runs good group builds, uses snares, AOE's, Debuffs, ulti dumps,etc and can kill larger groups if done right.
self sufficient and can survive, does not need a zerg to get ap.
runs no more than 4-6 people.
Only really zergs when taking important keeps or defending
usually are followed by lots of pugs when near friendly keeps. they often dont like when this happens.
Enjoys being outnumbered.
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.

Please tell me if you feel this is an accurate rep. of cyrodiil groups and player behavior. thank you!

Sorry but what a joke. I don't think a single player in this game can say they have not stood next to a zerg from time to time. Look at players like Enzo, Miat, Fengrush, and many others that basically zerg surf all day long.

Im pretty much always in a small group on azuras. The people that die like to write it off to the fact that FENGRUSH was zerg surfing. Reality is were just smashing groups, whether were alone on front lines, deep in territory, or defending at a keep.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

just once id like to hear fengrush say " yes i faction zerg, all the dc on my faction surf me for easy ap and because I am their lord and master."

rfennell_ESO

Reality is, in Cyrondil, fights happen at crossed swords.

I know it's stating the obvious, but once people understand this very simple premise... people that want fights heads to crossed swords on the map.

If you aren't at the locations where fighting is occurring, you might note that there isn't anyone to fight. Again, I know that's totally obvious. But unless you do something to draw people to you (flip a resource, put siege on a keep), well you have to either go to crossed swords or intercept people headed to crossed swords.

I'd say the true 1vxer or small grouper are the ones that create the fight. They take a resource, they either put siege on or flag a keep or outpost. They don't surf the crossed swords or follow the masses to where there are or will be crossed swords. Even if it isn't the intent to surf a zerg... going to where the zergs are going to be colliding isn't exactly 1vxing or small manning.

If your idea of "small man" or "1vxing" is to head to nikel (or sejanus) from the nearby keep your faction owns... you really aren't doing either. Any location where it's outpost next to an opposing factions keep is always a hotzone of activity.

That said, I don't think it's really an issue to label people over. You go where there are people fighting or where they are likely to be fighting.

P.S. hiding under a bridge while your factions zerg (or even another faction's zerg) is setup with siege isn't 1vxing or small grouping. It's surfing a zerg from below... you are still using the zerg to protect you, just in a different way.

Minno

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

IMPORTANT UPDATE: I have found the ultimate test to determine is someone is a real or fake 1vXer.

step 1: get a group of 2-9 people(for this test you need a X)
step 2: find and isolate the 1VXer. the 1vXer MUST be alone, so if you have to wipe his friends/pugs/ zerg it is surfing in.
step 3: ZERG THE PLAYER, if the player dies it is a fake 1vXer, if the player kills anyone in your group and survives (fleeing is a valid tactic) or wipes your group, the player is a true 1vXer.

if any ad or dc wants to take the 1vX test, Pst PM PuG shell shock, ty.

Sounds like to much work for a video game lol.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

been playing this game 3 years , anything out of the normal in eso is a godsend atm.

raviour

1vx'ing was (nearly) always about killing smallish groups of low skilled players alone, these players tend to stick to the zerg at prime time but they can still be found out of hours. Less experienced players got some help from easymode sets but 1vx is certainly not dead yet.

These 'fake' players you talk of are generally relatively new and low skilled players but on EU you don't see anyone bigging themselves up as a true 1vx'er or smallscaler that isn't unless they are joking. Those that are good at 1vx just make some cool vids and post them on youtube and don't hype themselves up in zone chat etc.

All the facets of AvAvA have fun to be had; leading pugs, joining pugs, playing with organized good ts3 groups, messing about with a few friends, playing solo, even a bit of RP are all fun. I like to do a bit of everything and i think most experienced players do. So we can't really label anyone as a 'real' anything, more that some people are good at certain aspects of the game.

NightbladeMechanics

In reality, FENGRUSH just has a hidden passive 10% chance to proc a pug each time he Ransacks a dude. The pugs love FENGRUSH.

IlCanis_LupuslI

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

There has been a change in PVP over the last three years in my opinion . It seems to be more impressive to others if you participate in the actual campaigns in Cyrodiil then just show off personal ability . If you are someone that requires validation and or impressing others . The 1 v X crowd seems more twitch and YouTube centric . In the actual game people generally like to win battles . An very few of the good raid and small group players care what someone else thinks of their playstyle as long as they are effective .

@Rohamad_Ali on point as usual.

What definition do I fit in? 50% of the time I'm completely solo generally focused on taking resources to help win the campaign. The other half the time I'm in a 24 man group because I've been asked to be. Not because I need protection.

I always carry 50+ seige with me. I went through 30 ballistas just last night.

I also always look for the most action which, as you would imagine, often involves getting into a Zerg fight.

I can and have 1 v X'd but I actively try not to because fighting outnumbered isn't an intelligent thing to do.

Am I a real player? Please let me know OP.

Never really understood why people go out of the way to fight outnumbered..... Not very intelligent and the odds of winning are usually against you unless the enemy players are not very experienced.... Lay low, wait for reinforcement and then attack=> higher chance of sucess. I mean while i have won outnumbered fights i really prefer not to since the odds usually not in your favor. when i see 5 people chasing me im going to shake them off and wait till the odds are more in my favor then attack... I totally agree to the quoted post very well explained. And also dont compare a pvp guild group in cyrodiil with a random zerg, there is a difference... I rarely get above 300k ap cause all my ap goes into siege equipment, soulgems etc....
You are a real player!!!! Cause selfproclaimed 1vsx gods dont win the campaign, taking keeps and flipping the map does. What they do is for their personal ego nothing else :-D

Takllin

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

There has been a change in PVP over the last three years in my opinion . It seems to be more impressive to others if you participate in the actual campaigns in Cyrodiil then just show off personal ability . If you are someone that requires validation and or impressing others . The 1 v X crowd seems more twitch and YouTube centric . In the actual game people generally like to win battles . An very few of the good raid and small group players care what someone else thinks of their playstyle as long as they are effective .

@Rohamad_Ali on point as usual.

What definition do I fit in? 50% of the time I'm completely solo generally focused on taking resources to help win the campaign. The other half the time I'm in a 24 man group because I've been asked to be. Not because I need protection.

I always carry 50+ seige with me. I went through 30 ballistas just last night.

I also always look for the most action which, as you would imagine, often involves getting into a Zerg fight.

I can and have 1 v X'd but I actively try not to because fighting outnumbered isn't an intelligent thing to do.

Am I a real player? Please let me know OP.

Never really understood why people go out of the way to fight outnumbered..... Not very intelligent and the odds of winning are usually against you unless the enemy players are not very experienced.... Lay low, wait for reinforcement and then attack=> higher chance of sucess. I mean while i have won outnumbered fights i really prefer not to since the odds usually not in your favor. when i see 5 people chasing me im going to shake them off and wait till the odds are more in my favor then attack... I totally agree to the quoted post very well explained. And also dont compare a pvp guild group in cyrodiil with a random zerg, there is a difference... I rarely get above 300k ap cause all my ap goes into siege equipment, soulgems etc....
You are a real player!!!! Cause selfproclaimed 1vsx gods dont win the campaign, taking keeps and flipping the map does. What they do is for their personal ego nothing else :-D

Odds of winning? So you're one of those people who sit up on the walls of a keep pew pewing with your bow while the keep is unflagged and you have free respawn point 20m away.

1. There's no penalty for death in this game.
2. There's no kill/death counter in this game.
3. You cannot get better at this game until you put yourself in certain situations.
4. It's a video game. Just because the odds are against you doesn't mean you shouldn't try. It's like a boss fight. You know you're probably going to wipe when you first give it a try, but that doesn't stop you from doing it. We're here to have fun, not sit around talking about our imaginary KDR.

Zander98

Titles are funny things. Sexy 1vXing, evil zerging, cheese ganking...
It's a wide world in Cryo.
I think for a lot of players it's time invested. If you've played the game 5 hours a day for 3 years you feel there is a reward/ title from your investment and know the right way to play.
Meanwhile, a lot of different cats roll out on different wheels.
I've been helped by the fact I am not an elite player so I don't have to worry about my video game street cred. I play 85% solo on auras star and have relative success. I die a lot. Almost always by 2 or more who then drop dem bags. If I am beat 1v1 and the player isn't in offline mode I immediately compliment them.
I have had moment of greatness where I was able to take down 8 players by myself. I would smile and then run on to find another fight. More often than that I am fighting one player and doing well, when a talented player i didn't see jumps out of nowhere and bursts me. That makes me smile at the clever bugger. Picked his timing well. I've never once sent a hate tell because I've never once since beta been beat because someone was cheating or it was unfair. I died...simply enough, because I lost.
I also run with groups from time to time because it's less loneily, it can be fun laughing with friends and you can get map work done. I'll jump in a DR raid for amp defense....a group trying to achieve a set goal. (Though I have this disability where I can't stack on crown. Ever). If GoES is running I'll be bolting to the tip of the spear because it reminds me of the old days. It can be fun.
But most of the time it's just me. Solo. Getting killed often for numerical reasons then razzing and riding.
So I must be a fake everything? Lol.
I don't know. I understand the game mechanics as well as anyone and theory craft well and love the TMs and Fengrushe's because without then there would be no challenge. I would have left the game. Like a game without bosses. I don't get upset when I die ever because it doesn't mean anything and the only area I might be top tier in is I am a premier yolo zerg diver.
I am friends with elite players and play with them at times because I fit in well supporting them but have always been thrown off by how little jot most of them get from a game they play so much. It's like dying is an insult to their soul. And they are the best the game has.
So my advice? Pug it and have fun. Still hold yourself accountable and push your limits without fear, but don't worry if you are a real or fake 1vXer, merger, duller, bowtard...whatever.
How can you be fake in a fake video game? Hehe.
Have fun. Ignore the troll. Just don't keep repeating the same mistakes.
And if you play enough you will REALLY 1vX a group. It's damn fun. Enjoy it.
Realize part of it is just luck though. The number of times I've soloed a group that could have destroyed me if the had all just tab targeted me and spammed light attacks I can't even count.
Lastly, my advice is to play drunk. And get drunker the longer you play. The whole scene becomes more and more comical that way.
Also....benzodiazapam. It makes it hella comical when the 9 players who chased you across the map are tbagging you. Hehe.

Speed_Kills

@Prince_of_all_Pugs I feel like you give me that test everytime I see you in Cyrodiil

NightbladeMechanics

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

There has been a change in PVP over the last three years in my opinion . It seems to be more impressive to others if you participate in the actual campaigns in Cyrodiil then just show off personal ability . If you are someone that requires validation and or impressing others . The 1 v X crowd seems more twitch and YouTube centric . In the actual game people generally like to win battles . An very few of the good raid and small group players care what someone else thinks of their playstyle as long as they are effective .

@Rohamad_Ali on point as usual.

What definition do I fit in? 50% of the time I'm completely solo generally focused on taking resources to help win the campaign. The other half the time I'm in a 24 man group because I've been asked to be. Not because I need protection.

I always carry 50+ seige with me. I went through 30 ballistas just last night.

I also always look for the most action which, as you would imagine, often involves getting into a Zerg fight.

I can and have 1 v X'd but I actively try not to because fighting outnumbered isn't an intelligent thing to do.

Am I a real player? Please let me know OP.

Never really understood why people go out of the way to fight outnumbered..... Not very intelligent and the odds of winning are usually against you unless the enemy players are not very experienced.... Lay low, wait for reinforcement and then attack=> higher chance of sucess. I mean while i have won outnumbered fights i really prefer not to since the odds usually not in your favor. when i see 5 people chasing me im going to shake them off and wait till the odds are more in my favor then attack... I totally agree to the quoted post very well explained. And also dont compare a pvp guild group in cyrodiil with a random zerg, there is a difference... I rarely get above 300k ap cause all my ap goes into siege equipment, soulgems etc....
You are a real player!!!! Cause selfproclaimed 1vsx gods dont win the campaign, taking keeps and flipping the map does. What they do is for their personal ego nothing else :-D

The point is to push your limits and improve individual skill. Solo players opt not to have allies around to rely on, and small groups cap their sizes to maximizing each member's contribution. It's a difference of mindset. People who play outnumbered want to become good at the game. You won't become good at the game if you rely on allies in all your fights.

Rickter

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The point is to push your limits and improve individual skill. Solo players opt not to have allies around to rely on, and small groups cap their sizes to maximizing each member's contribution. It's a difference of mindset. People who play outnumbered want to become good at the game. You won't become good at the game if you rely on allies in all your fights.

I agree and disagree with this statement.

I agree because yeah youre right. Putting yourself in situations with very little resources if any other than your own ability to press the buttons the right way on the fly due to skill, knowledge of the skill animation cues to properly handle the situations blah blah yes - it does make you a better player. because pvp is dynamic. its not the same every time. so you have to be on point to adapt to the situation. on an individual basis then yes this technically brute forces you to get better

I disagree because if you prefer to run around in a 4 man or less, or even a 8 man or less, i dont think you "wont become good at the game". Relying on allies isnt necessarily a bad thing if you are pushing that group to its limitations. you have to play just as hard and arguably even harder as your reliance can also be a hindrance. pushing an enemy where odds are stacked against you, and understanding that as a solo player you wouldnt even have considering pushing that particular group without your team, and relying on them to do their part to get all of you through it, is a challenge and you cant deny it or take that away

SneaK

I think the 1vX mindset has lost it's shine with every update, and also with more and more players getting to know each other. Nowadays too many people are too friendly to the solo players where they basically just pick and choose who they 1vX, and it's mostly bad players. This isn't saying they aren't skilled, just saying that's not really how I'd measure it nowadays. And, yea it's still fun to run small groups and crush real zergs, but the itemization in this game has changed the way it's played. Used to be "good" groups, now there are just "efficient" groups due to their gear and spammables..

Cathexis

raviour wrote: »

1vx'ing was (nearly) always about killing smallish groups of low skilled players alone, these players tend to stick to the zerg at prime time but they can still be found out of hours. Less experienced players got some help from easymode sets but 1vx is certainly not dead yet.

These 'fake' players you talk of are generally relatively new and low skilled players but on EU you don't see anyone bigging themselves up as a true 1vx'er or smallscaler that isn't unless they are joking. Those that are good at 1vx just make some cool vids and post them on youtube and don't hype themselves up in zone chat etc.

All the facets of AvAvA have fun to be had; leading pugs, joining pugs, playing with organized good ts3 groups, messing about with a few friends, playing solo, even a bit of RP are all fun. I like to do a bit of everything and i think most experienced players do. So we can't really label anyone as a 'real' anything, more that some people are good at certain aspects of the game.

The first part of that is not really true, but it may just be because true 1vX was perhaps before your time. For instance, when I started playing I was generally always behind the veteran rank curve (when the level cap went from vr1-10, 12, 14, and 16 as patches advanced) typically 4-6 vr ranks. I did not really catch up until around vr14 but during that period you could very easily take on groups that were higher rank than you, often experienced players. The ability to make ultra tanky builds was generally limited because caps made overinvesting in any stat area plateau beyond the cap. Your ability to survive was much more contingent on how you played a situation strategically rather than because you could run gear/spec. Unkillable tanking was an anomaly (typically due to batswarm/dynamic ultigen/sitting in a zerg of players and healing forever) and not a norm. Thats not to say rank and build didn't matter, but they were not a determinate factor. Players were also more mobile and when faced with a zerg could actually resist, even with two full raids coming down on you. You could approach situations outnumbered and not just beat a few players, but beat all the players, even if they were evenly skilled - that was because the margin of error and the dynamics of combat were less locked down and predictable, and defense was contingent on taking up a defensive position more than simply pressing block with the right gear and heals.

In that regard, real 1vX IS dead, because there is a cap on how many players each class can fight alone at one time. Assuming you can reach that cap, 1vX becomes about just killing lightweight builds until you are outmanned beyond the cap. It's not really a measurement of capacity because all you are doing is just pitting numbers against each other. If player A has worse stats than player B, player A dies. There's not really any strategy or risk involved in that. You know you aren't going to die unless you are overwhelmed. The exception I would make is cloak, which allows for more dynamic close range combat with less tanky builds, but as soon as you run up on a detect pot you are screwed, and also if most other players can't defend themselves at the same level, its like being a boxer fighting a bunch of little old ladies with handbags.

From my own perspective, 1vX started to die with the unbreakable gap closer stun, which basically killed mobility as a part of dynamic combat - mainly because most players refused to acknowledge mobility as a primary close range combat defense, and like the giant pusses they are banned together to remove it instead of learning to fight it. The removal of caps and standardization of buffs already came as a huge blow to stamina sorcerers, this became the first nail in the coffin in my eyes. As it stands now, you can't both be mobile and deal consequential damage. Since the original design lacked most significant elements like major mending or major protection or similar counterparts, or close range strategic elements like cloak, defense largely hinged on the ability to mobilize. Without mobilization, the close range cap is so dramatically low it fails to even be worth playing, because strategically what is the point in playing a spec that fights close range but dies immediately to 5 players? If tanking is the baseline for 1vX now, why even bother playing anything besides a temp or a dk, who can handle more than double that capacity easily, without being bound to particular items or race choices? Why not play mag and run shields or a nightblade, do better damage, and be able to escape completely 90% of the time with 1 button? In truth every other class has the ability to resist being zerged down at substantially higher level. Anyway, that is essentially where 1vX dies for me because it was twisted into this thing focused on killing people who run builds more vulnerable to damage, instead of being about outplaying others where all players have a substantial and meaningful opportunity to engage successfully.

Cathexis

Also I would say now the most fun place to look for combat is 2vX. I don't play with other people so this is pretty much a useless paradigm to me, but I've had a hand in it from time to time and it can be very fun and you can fight a lot of big groups with 2vX, honestly at this point I think players should focus on that while it is still fun and allowed before wrobel sticks in the knife and twists.

raviour

@cathexis i agree and nice explanation , i only started playing in 1.5 so i never witnessed the bat swarm insanity but i have seen vids and it looks like most of the players are afk. I was addicted to Blackwater for 2 years so i didn't witness your vet rank thing either but my hero Nox Pox used to take on 20 reds + their emp solo on mag dk in 1.5 and we all used to just stop and watch in amazement. But truely in what situation should 1 person be able to kill 200, this is RPG after all. A 1v9 is op enough and it's still possible if you are not fighting zerg squad or a good smallish group. Long live 1vX it teaches peasants to get good.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Speed_Kills wrote: »

@Prince_of_all_Pugs I feel like you give me that test everytime I see you in Cyrodiil

well its cause your a real 1vXer!

tplink3r1

You forgot to mention the most important thing on the list:
If you get 1vXed, it's a cheater.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

There are a few things I'd like to add.

- As stated a few posts back, people now know each other. Even if I've never actually spoken with someone, if they play on the same server as you'll figure out who they are. There is one tank in XB NA Haddy that I've basically started using this guys name as a DPS test. In many ways he is the greatest 1 v Xer around because I've seen him not die to 20 other people, but in reality he isn't actually doing anything aside from distracting everyone. Now when I see him I basically just use him to charge my ultimate and then leave him alone. In 2 years I think I've killed him 1 v 1 once. It's just not worth the effort. Then there are guilds that I know I'd be stupid to try and 1 v X because I know that they are only setting a trap.
- The main reason people get 1 v X'd is because they attack like stupid ninjas. If you swarm someone there is almost no chance of survival. I've fought dozens of people at once at some breaches without dying because people are afraid of dying. Aggression, as usual, is your best defense.
- Avoiding a 1 v X situation does not make you weak or a lesser player. It makes you a wise player. Yes, you should mix it up to improve your skills, but intelligent attacking beats stick skill more often than not.

mtwiggz

We just 1vX near each other, while in Discord and our builds just happen to compliment each other.

enzoisadog

Mustard wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

I would quickly like to explain the main differences between Real and fake 1vXer's and small man's.

Fake 1vXer
plays solo but they mainly fight near friendly zergs
. Looks no different from other players that are in the zerg
Always faction zerging, using single target ults on players already getting zerged to get the KB
Never places siege, waits for others to siege. often stays in stealth in a live siege line
often have high burst/ high damage builds, doesnt not need much sustain because of the zerg safety net.
always has Pug support.
also cares about AP, but will complain if the map is an off faction color or lack of an organized siege offensive.
will log on another factions if their is not a zerg to sustain them.
Makes fun of others for Zerging.
Never places camps.
Often uses cookie cutter youtube builds


Real 1VXer
Mostly fights by themselves in open fields or near resources
Rarely if ever, do they faction Zerg.
Have strong solo builds
often fights outnumbered
generally cares about good fights and AP hunts
only place down siege when they have to.
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.


Fake small man
plays with 4-8 others but only really plays in faction zergs.
cant really tell them apart from the Zerg unless you know them.
Does not siege and cannot take a keep by themselves, waits for others to siege.
Zergs with other small mans.
Will zerg guilds with faction and claim credit for wiping them
will run Healing springs for getting ap when healing the zergs
Mostly fake 1vXers.
will never admit to zerging.

Real Small man
Sieges and takes objectives
Runs good group builds, uses snares, AOE's, Debuffs, ulti dumps,etc and can kill larger groups if done right.
self sufficient and can survive, does not need a zerg to get ap.
runs no more than 4-6 people.
Only really zergs when taking important keeps or defending
usually are followed by lots of pugs when near friendly keeps. they often dont like when this happens.
Enjoys being outnumbered.
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.

Please tell me if you feel this is an accurate rep. of cyrodiil groups and player behavior. thank you!

Sorry but what a joke. I don't think a single player in this game can say they have not stood next to a zerg from time to time. Look at players like Enzo, Miat, Fengrush, and many others that basically zerg surf all day long.

LOL, usually when im farming a resource with miat 30000 ad will show up and we always move to another resource, sorry if we killed you.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

Siege is broke and has been broke since day 1. Here is why

I love the siege. My sillydilly inventory was mostly sieges,rocks,sticks,camps and snacky treats and yummy drinks. Why do I say siege is broke?

Well for one the Catapult does not launch Cats. I tried. First with a volunteer and then as a Cat. So there is a mis communications. Catapults are supposed to launch cats.

Ice catapult Freeze the cat and then launch it.

Fire Catapult set cat on fire and send it.

I never zerged. Never joined a zerg, never ran with a zerg. I refused to group. I called out enemy movements. Placed siege, repaired walls. Claimed resources rezzed whoever.. Mailed siege,repair kits, potions,foods gemstones to all who needed them and said so in chat. I never once begged for gold or mats or AP. I got my a$$ handed to me every day but campaign after campaign I came back. When I ran out of gold and AP to buy stuff I would go PVE to get gold then come right back.

I don't know what kind of PVP'er classification I fell into and I don't care. I miss it but I will never go back to it and I will never bash it. Or bash those who love to do it. I made some good friends there and on occasion I will still mail them stuff for the fight.

To my AD brothers and Sisters Fight on!

To my PVP opponents May the Slaughterfish have mercy on your souls.

To Both
Thanks for the Memories.

Darnathian

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mustard wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

I would quickly like to explain the main differences between Real and fake 1vXer's and small man's.

Fake 1vXer
plays solo but they mainly fight near friendly zergs
. Looks no different from other players that are in the zerg
Always faction zerging, using single target ults on players already getting zerged to get the KB
Never places siege, waits for others to siege. often stays in stealth in a live siege line
often have high burst/ high damage builds, doesnt not need much sustain because of the zerg safety net.
always has Pug support.
also cares about AP, but will complain if the map is an off faction color or lack of an organized siege offensive.
will log on another factions if their is not a zerg to sustain them.
Makes fun of others for Zerging.
Never places camps.
Often uses cookie cutter youtube builds


Real 1VXer
Mostly fights by themselves in open fields or near resources
Rarely if ever, do they faction Zerg.
Have strong solo builds
often fights outnumbered
generally cares about good fights and AP hunts
only place down siege when they have to.
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.


Fake small man
plays with 4-8 others but only really plays in faction zergs.
cant really tell them apart from the Zerg unless you know them.
Does not siege and cannot take a keep by themselves, waits for others to siege.
Zergs with other small mans.
Will zerg guilds with faction and claim credit for wiping them
will run Healing springs for getting ap when healing the zergs
Mostly fake 1vXers.
will never admit to zerging.

Real Small man
Sieges and takes objectives
Runs good group builds, uses snares, AOE's, Debuffs, ulti dumps,etc and can kill larger groups if done right.
self sufficient and can survive, does not need a zerg to get ap.
runs no more than 4-6 people.
Only really zergs when taking important keeps or defending
usually are followed by lots of pugs when near friendly keeps. they often dont like when this happens.
Enjoys being outnumbered.
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.

Please tell me if you feel this is an accurate rep. of cyrodiil groups and player behavior. thank you!

Sorry but what a joke. I don't think a single player in this game can say they have not stood next to a zerg from time to time. Look at players like Enzo, Miat, Fengrush, and many others that basically zerg surf all day long.

Im pretty much always in a small group on azuras. The people that die like to write it off to the fact that FENGRUSH was zerg surfing. Reality is were just smashing groups, whether were alone on front lines, deep in territory, or defending at a keep.

Your smashing pugs that are all sub 600 cp and poorly geared. Grats. You are awesome.