(NA) Real and fake 1vXer's and small man's

Prince_of_all_Pugs

^i respect your integrity for admitting that.

Biro123

Op is making a huge assumption that anyone who zerg-surfs thinks of themselves as a 1vXer

Surely if these guys see themselves as zerg surfers or simply playing for the faction, then there is nothing fake about them at all.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

if you surf a zerg that isnt yours, sorry but your fake.

Izaki

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Makes fun of others for Zerging.

^ Especially that

Zander98

This thread needs more jumping up and down.

PandaIsAPotato

Rickter wrote: »

Rickter Small man

• Sieges and takes objectives
• At least 4/10 in the group runs good group builds, uses snares, AOE's, Debuffs, ulti dumps,etc but the group lead doesnt actually request or require any certain skill run. Can kill larger groups if done right but doesnt happen as often as the group lead would like - doesnt really care.
• self sufficient and can survive, does not need a zerg to get ap.
• runs no more than 4-6 people. 4-10 people
• Only really zergs when taking important keeps or defending
• usually are followed by lots of pugs when near friendly keeps. they often dont like when this happens but will occasionally offer open invites if a serious objective needs to be completed.
• Enjoys being outnumbered unless its triple their number and one must abandon all hope.
• often uses meta builds.

Where's the...?

• Occasionally gets 1vX'd by Qaevir & Co.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Ricksters group cannot be 1vX'd by qaevir and co, in order to 1vX someone you MUST be completely SOLO. gosh i really dislike when players say something dumb like WE 1vX'd you. learn numbers pl0x

Lord_Hev

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Ricksters group cannot be 1vX'd by qaevir and co, in order to 1vX someone you MUST be completely SOLO. gosh i really dislike when players say something dumb like WE 1vX'd you. learn numbers pl0x

idk about you, but I get "1vX'd" by groups of players all the time!

Prince_of_all_Pugs

No you dont you get "xv1'd" by people all the time , your only one person qae.

Jules

Honestly, 10/10.

IxSTALKERxI

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Fake 1vXer
Often uses cookie cutter youtube builds

Real 1VXer
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.

Real Small man
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.

The "meta" builds ARE the cookie cutter youtube builds.

The ones out there coming up with more interesting stuff are always testing some off the wall crazy ideas like Jack and Supermad. Sometimes it works and sometimes it fails horribly, but that is how you test them.

Not really... in the guild I'm in we theory craft our own group builds, none of which are on youtube and they outperform any youtube meta builds and we keep them somewhat secret. It's a contributing factor to why our groups are strong.

Cathexis

Biro123 wrote: »

Op is making a huge assumption that anyone who zerg-surfs thinks of themselves as a 1vXer

Surely if these guys see themselves as zerg surfers or simply playing for the faction, then there is nothing fake about them at all.

I don't even know that 1vX is really still a thing (at least on cp servers) unless you are a tank fighting a group of tanks and no one does enough DPS to kill anyone or you are fighting a group of innepts/lowbies, or maybe if you include stealth ganks.

Zerg surfing is pretty much the reality now.

The other day I had a guy chase me losing his *** because I wouldn't straight up close range 1vX his 10 man when he died rounding a corner into a blue zerg - accusing ME of zerg surfing, as if I had some sort of obligation to fight his group with *** poor odds, and when I had no idea the zerg was there... Nevermind the fact that he was doing the exact same thing, or that he was so preoccupied with trying to fight me at a disproportionate advantage he ran headlong into a zerg he, by his reaction, couldn't handle.

1vX is sort of an antiquated concept. Every attempt I have watched from the last 3-4 na tf campaigns of someone attempting 1vX has either resulted in being straight up laid out or just a stall until reinforcements arrive.

The crazy thing is that people now expect you to fight 1vX on tf, when it is strategically and statistically either obviously futile or a misnomer.

Majeure

Lol the crap people come up with when they're bored.

I'd LOL you if that was still a thing.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Cathexis wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Op is making a huge assumption that anyone who zerg-surfs thinks of themselves as a 1vXer

Surely if these guys see themselves as zerg surfers or simply playing for the faction, then there is nothing fake about them at all.

I don't even know that 1vX is really still a thing (at least on cp servers) unless you are a tank fighting a group of tanks and no one does enough DPS to kill anyone or you are fighting a group of innepts/lowbies, or maybe if you include stealth ganks.

Zerg surfing is pretty much the reality now.

The other day I had a guy chase me losing his *** because I wouldn't straight up close range 1vX his 10 man when he died rounding a corner into a blue zerg - accusing ME of zerg surfing, as if I had some sort of obligation to fight his group with *** poor odds, and when I had no idea the zerg was there... Nevermind the fact that he was doing the exact same thing, or that he was so preoccupied with trying to fight me at a disproportionate advantage he ran headlong into a zerg he, by his reaction, couldn't handle.

1vX is sort of an antiquated concept. Every attempt I have watched from the last 3-4 na tf campaigns of someone attempting 1vX has either resulted in being straight up laid out or just a stall until reinforcements arrive.

The crazy thing is that people now expect you to fight 1vX on tf, when it is strategically and statistically either obviously futile or a misnomer.

that guy was CLEARLY a fake 1vXer.

malicia

And this is something whereI like PvE better. If I attack a WB alone, and someone else joins in, nobody tries to categorize us as "small men" vs "1vx-ers" or "fake" vs "real". They simply join in on the fun, and all lives happily ever after, except for the WB, who's quite dead for a few minutes. Fortunately it seems to fervently believe in reincarnation, so no real harm done.

To categorize myself when doing nSO: I'm a fake 1vxer. Not sure why, but I like the ring of it.

To categorize myself when doing vSO/vMA: dead. Fortunately my toon also believes in reincarnation.

Sandman929

I jump up and down just to intimidate the NPCs with my 1vXiness.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

malicia wrote: »

And this is something whereI like PvE better. If I attack a WB alone, and someone else joins in, nobody tries to categorize us as "small men" vs "1vx-ers" or "fake" vs "real". They simply join in on the fun, and all lives happily ever after, except for the WB, who's quite dead for a few minutes. Fortunately it seems to fervently believe in reincarnation, so no real harm done.

To categorize myself when doing nSO: I'm a fake 1vxer. Not sure why, but I like the ring of it.

To categorize myself when doing vSO/vMA: dead. Fortunately my toon also believes in reincarnation.

lol pve 1vXer. that'd rich.

Cathexis

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Op is making a huge assumption that anyone who zerg-surfs thinks of themselves as a 1vXer

Surely if these guys see themselves as zerg surfers or simply playing for the faction, then there is nothing fake about them at all.

I don't even know that 1vX is really still a thing (at least on cp servers) unless you are a tank fighting a group of tanks and no one does enough DPS to kill anyone or you are fighting a group of innepts/lowbies, or maybe if you include stealth ganks.

Zerg surfing is pretty much the reality now.

The other day I had a guy chase me losing his *** because I wouldn't straight up close range 1vX his 10 man when he died rounding a corner into a blue zerg - accusing ME of zerg surfing, as if I had some sort of obligation to fight his group with *** poor odds, and when I had no idea the zerg was there... Nevermind the fact that he was doing the exact same thing, or that he was so preoccupied with trying to fight me at a disproportionate advantage he ran headlong into a zerg he, by his reaction, couldn't handle.

1vX is sort of an antiquated concept. Every attempt I have watched from the last 3-4 na tf campaigns of someone attempting 1vX has either resulted in being straight up laid out or just a stall until reinforcements arrive.

The crazy thing is that people now expect you to fight 1vX on tf, when it is strategically and statistically either obviously futile or a misnomer.

that guy was CLEARLY a fake 1vXer.

Perhaps but by that definition so would I.

Even though I never attempted or claimed to be 1vXing, and the strategy is so obviously a trollbait its straight out of the last season of game of thrones.

I mean really that's what it is reduced to. Essentially what has happened is you used to have a margin of unpredictability and vulnerability where players had the capacity to strategically pick apart a larger force. There used to be a reason to 1vX, because it was challenging and dynamic and it made you a better player because it practiced your ability to think strategically.

The problem with making the distinction that someone is a "fake" 1vX is that it is inherently making the assumption that a player who is just playing what is currently strategically viable either in general or in that moment is somehow pretending to be something more than that. You are never going to be always 100% 1vX fighting open world realistically.

Cathexis

Fake 1vXer
plays solo but they mainly fight near friendly zergs
. Looks no different from other players that are in the zerg
Always faction zerging, using single target ults on players already getting zerged to get the KB
Never places siege, waits for others to siege. often stays in stealth in a live siege line
often have high burst/ high damage builds, doesnt not need much sustain because of the zerg safety net.
always has Pug support.
also cares about AP, but will complain if the map is an off faction color or lack of an organized siege offensive.
will log on another factions if their is not a zerg to sustain them.
Makes fun of others for Zerging.
Never places camps.
Often uses cookie cutter youtube builds

Real 1vX
Mostly fights by themselves in open fields or near resources
Rarely if ever, do they faction Zerg.
Have strong solo builds
often fights outnumbered
generally cares about good fights and AP hunts
only place down siege when they have to.
often uses meta builds or creates new meta builds.

Lets look at what you are saying here for a moment. So right off the bat you are saying they are "meta creators" which is (arguably and loosely) largely defined by 2 variables, what stats are most effective and what is the social norm. But thats a contradiction since you cant both use what is the norm and create a build that is at a strategic advantage at the same time, and contradicts fighting alone since you would have to share that build if it is to be a meta. Its also a contradiction since meta builds are commonly shared through other media outlets like youtube.

Complaining about the map being an off colour is just a general statement. It has no baring on how a person plays. It just means "my play locations are limited." You are saying players are fake 1vX when they dont care about the campaign, but real 1vXers dont contribute anything beyond resource capping either. Zerg surfers contribute to both resource capping and keep pushes. Sometimes also when you are running solo, a zerg will just arrive, you aren't really trying to be in it.

As for having "strong solo builds" thats logical, its logical that you would build for solo if thats what you predominantly play. The problem I have with that is what you are not saying here, which is what there is a particular way to build that emphasizes that - you exclude high damage/high burst and stealth, which means you have to fight open with a tank build, which means you must use major protection or major mending, which means you must be a templar or dk, or run something more abstract in terms of gear or weapon choices.

Your definition of what constitutes propper 1vX is so narrow it excludes most play elements, contains it to a small subset of fighting locations, and limits it to half of the classes in the game.

Dyride

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Wanna know real 1vXers from fake ones? Just watch out for who can still pull it off next patch when its ten times harder and people can no longer be carried by extremely powerful and forgiving mechanics.

^ People been carried by their builds for too long.

That's just called "playing an MMO" tho. We are all nothing without good builds.

Lol no.

1) Do you not make tactical calls in group fights? Do you not use terrain, flank, bait, spread, or otherwise try to outplay your enemies, or do you just run straight at them and let your stats win alone?

2) Just as negate buffs, destro ult, and purge, rapids, and barrier nerfs narrowed the gap between your organized raids and pug zergs -- making you rage and your guild temporarily stop running groups, I will add -- heavy armor buffs, proc sets, Pirate Skeleton, Troll King, and CP stat inflation narrowed the gap between more skilled individuals and small groups and less skilled ones. I've raged plenty at that stuff.

Maybe large scalers are out of touch with the state of the game off crown?

Misrepresenting much?

Are you referring to our defense of support skills being useful to un grouped players and preserving kiting for small scale? You have a selective memory of the logical points people like Steve, Zheg and Joy argued.

Rapids/Purge nerf did more to change small scale kiting and un-grouped support than it changed groups that have enough people for support skills.

Nerfing sustain is going to hurt small-scale and soloers more than zergs and large group's yet again.

Easy mode is just going to be too zerg harder and rely on proc sets even more.

Good players will of course come up with creative ways to get around some of the new limitations.

You couldn't resist attempting to spread a snide falsehood though Kena.

VE took a break after rolling to AD and winning a hard fought campaign there. Nothing has stopped us from being successful either since returning.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Dyride wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Wanna know real 1vXers from fake ones? Just watch out for who can still pull it off next patch when its ten times harder and people can no longer be carried by extremely powerful and forgiving mechanics.

^ People been carried by their builds for too long.

That's just called "playing an MMO" tho. We are all nothing without good builds.

Lol no.

1) Do you not make tactical calls in group fights? Do you not use terrain, flank, bait, spread, or otherwise try to outplay your enemies, or do you just run straight at them and let your stats win alone?

2) Just as negate buffs, destro ult, and purge, rapids, and barrier nerfs narrowed the gap between your organized raids and pug zergs -- making you rage and your guild temporarily stop running groups, I will add -- heavy armor buffs, proc sets, Pirate Skeleton, Troll King, and CP stat inflation narrowed the gap between more skilled individuals and small groups and less skilled ones. I've raged plenty at that stuff.

Maybe large scalers are out of touch with the state of the game off crown?

Misrepresenting much?

Are you referring to our defense of support skills being useful to un grouped players and preserving kiting for small scale? You have a selective memory of the logical points people like Steve, Zheg and Joy argued.

Rapids/Purge nerf did more to change small scale kiting and un-grouped support than it changed groups that have enough people for support skills.

Nerfing sustain is going to hurt small-scale and soloers more than zergs and large group's yet again.

Easy mode is just going to be too zerg harder and rely on proc sets even more.

Good players will of course come up with creative ways to get around some of the new limitations.

You couldn't resist attempting to spread a snide falsehood though Kena.

VE took a break after rolling to AD and winning a hard fought campaign there. Nothing has stopped us from being successful either since returning.

listen small manning and 1vXing dont apply to VE, VE is a real large pvp group, that really helps a faction with a campaign. the point of this post was to tell everyone that there are ALOT of fake 1vXers and small mans that just zerg surf. IMO fake 1vXers should just join the groups they surf instead of just being parasites.

malicia

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

malicia wrote: »

And this is something whereI like PvE better. If I attack a WB alone, and someone else joins in, nobody tries to categorize us as "small men" vs "1vx-ers" or "fake" vs "real". They simply join in on the fun, and all lives happily ever after, except for the WB, who's quite dead for a few minutes. Fortunately it seems to fervently believe in reincarnation, so no real harm done.

To categorize myself when doing nSO: I'm a fake 1vxer. Not sure why, but I like the ring of it.

To categorize myself when doing vSO/vMA: dead. Fortunately my toon also believes in reincarnation.

lol pve 1vXer. that'd rich.

Especially in a 12-player trial. That's why I chose "fake 1vxer". I do find all these PvP definitions and namings quite amusing. It feels as though we have less such in PvE.

Dyride

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Dyride wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Wanna know real 1vXers from fake ones? Just watch out for who can still pull it off next patch when its ten times harder and people can no longer be carried by extremely powerful and forgiving mechanics.

^ People been carried by their builds for too long.

That's just called "playing an MMO" tho. We are all nothing without good builds.

Lol no.

1) Do you not make tactical calls in group fights? Do you not use terrain, flank, bait, spread, or otherwise try to outplay your enemies, or do you just run straight at them and let your stats win alone?

2) Just as negate buffs, destro ult, and purge, rapids, and barrier nerfs narrowed the gap between your organized raids and pug zergs -- making you rage and your guild temporarily stop running groups, I will add -- heavy armor buffs, proc sets, Pirate Skeleton, Troll King, and CP stat inflation narrowed the gap between more skilled individuals and small groups and less skilled ones. I've raged plenty at that stuff.

Maybe large scalers are out of touch with the state of the game off crown?

Misrepresenting much?

Are you referring to our defense of support skills being useful to un grouped players and preserving kiting for small scale? You have a selective memory of the logical points people like Steve, Zheg and Joy argued.

Rapids/Purge nerf did more to change small scale kiting and un-grouped support than it changed groups that have enough people for support skills.

Nerfing sustain is going to hurt small-scale and soloers more than zergs and large group's yet again.

Easy mode is just going to be too zerg harder and rely on proc sets even more.

Good players will of course come up with creative ways to get around some of the new limitations.

You couldn't resist attempting to spread a snide falsehood though Kena.

VE took a break after rolling to AD and winning a hard fought campaign there. Nothing has stopped us from being successful either since returning.

listen small manning and 1vXing dont apply to VE, VE is a real large pvp group, that really helps a faction with a campaign. the point of this post was to tell everyone that there are ALOT of fake 1vXers and small mans that just zerg surf. IMO fake 1vXers should just join the groups they surf instead of just being parasites.

You're right I shouldn't derail this excellent comparison.

@KenaPKK apologies if I was reacting too defensively. I'm a scrub.

Fruitdog

It's the VE way ;-)

zyk

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Not really... in the guild I'm in we theory craft our own group builds, none of which are on youtube and they outperform any youtube meta builds and we keep them somewhat secret. It's a contributing factor to why our groups are strong.

Stalker and Viz called the current meta back in the 2.6 PTS. They just didn't share it with everyone else. It's too bad everyone is so casual because we only really had good group comp very infrequently.

LegacyDM

Lol. You people having nothing better to do then argue about fake 1vx and Zerg surfers? *hash tag* get a life.

Zander98

*Jumps up and down. Applies hardened and healing ward, even though at full health.

NightbladeMechanics

Dyride wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Wanna know real 1vXers from fake ones? Just watch out for who can still pull it off next patch when its ten times harder and people can no longer be carried by extremely powerful and forgiving mechanics.

^ People been carried by their builds for too long.

That's just called "playing an MMO" tho. We are all nothing without good builds.

Lol no.

1) Do you not make tactical calls in group fights? Do you not use terrain, flank, bait, spread, or otherwise try to outplay your enemies, or do you just run straight at them and let your stats win alone?

2) Just as negate buffs, destro ult, and purge, rapids, and barrier nerfs narrowed the gap between your organized raids and pug zergs -- making you rage and your guild temporarily stop running groups, I will add -- heavy armor buffs, proc sets, Pirate Skeleton, Troll King, and CP stat inflation narrowed the gap between more skilled individuals and small groups and less skilled ones. I've raged plenty at that stuff.

Maybe large scalers are out of touch with the state of the game off crown?

Misrepresenting much?

Are you referring to our defense of support skills being useful to un grouped players and preserving kiting for small scale? You have a selective memory of the logical points people like Steve, Zheg and Joy argued.

Rapids/Purge nerf did more to change small scale kiting and un-grouped support than it changed groups that have enough people for support skills.

Nerfing sustain is going to hurt small-scale and soloers more than zergs and large group's yet again.

Easy mode is just going to be too zerg harder and rely on proc sets even more.

Good players will of course come up with creative ways to get around some of the new limitations.

You couldn't resist attempting to spread a snide falsehood though Kena.

VE took a break after rolling to AD and winning a hard fought campaign there. Nothing has stopped us from being successful either since returning.

The purge, barrier, and rapids nerfs affected ungrouped and large scale support only. That was the entire point of the nerfs... Organized small groups didn't even feel the changes.

Small groups don't have the luxury of using purely defensive ults like barrier, but it would still cover our group size just fine if we chose to... We lose a lot of killing power by using that, though. It's better to increase the group's survivability with buff sets like Transmutation and then use offensive ults.

We use purge only when fighting zergs or siege fire, but it still hits everyone in group too.

And we don't use dedicated healers, so the rapids nerf was easy to adapt to. We never really needed or used rapids often anyway, but one slotted on a sorc's overload bar is nice to have and still works fine.

And I think I'm talking about before your AD reroll, but I don't remember when exactly that happened in the timeline. Regardless, VE spearheaded the forum campaign against bombard and for reverting the rapids and purge nerfs for organized large scale play back when those changes went through, and then temporarily left for BDO. At least that's the narrative narrative we heard from you guys on the forums.

No_True_Scotsman

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dyride wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Wanna know real 1vXers from fake ones? Just watch out for who can still pull it off next patch when its ten times harder and people can no longer be carried by extremely powerful and forgiving mechanics.

^ People been carried by their builds for too long.

That's just called "playing an MMO" tho. We are all nothing without good builds.

Lol no.

1) Do you not make tactical calls in group fights? Do you not use terrain, flank, bait, spread, or otherwise try to outplay your enemies, or do you just run straight at them and let your stats win alone?

2) Just as negate buffs, destro ult, and purge, rapids, and barrier nerfs narrowed the gap between your organized raids and pug zergs -- making you rage and your guild temporarily stop running groups, I will add -- heavy armor buffs, proc sets, Pirate Skeleton, Troll King, and CP stat inflation narrowed the gap between more skilled individuals and small groups and less skilled ones. I've raged plenty at that stuff.

Maybe large scalers are out of touch with the state of the game off crown?

Misrepresenting much?

Are you referring to our defense of support skills being useful to un grouped players and preserving kiting for small scale? You have a selective memory of the logical points people like Steve, Zheg and Joy argued.

Rapids/Purge nerf did more to change small scale kiting and un-grouped support than it changed groups that have enough people for support skills.

Nerfing sustain is going to hurt small-scale and soloers more than zergs and large group's yet again.

Easy mode is just going to be too zerg harder and rely on proc sets even more.

Good players will of course come up with creative ways to get around some of the new limitations.

You couldn't resist attempting to spread a snide falsehood though Kena.

VE took a break after rolling to AD and winning a hard fought campaign there. Nothing has stopped us from being successful either since returning.

The purge, barrier, and rapids nerfs affected ungrouped and large scale support only. That was the entire point of the nerfs... Organized small groups didn't even feel the changes.

Small groups don't have the luxury of using purely defensive ults like barrier, but it would still cover our group size just fine if we chose to... We lose a lot of killing power by using that, though. It's better to increase the group's survivability with buff sets like Transmutation and then use offensive ults.

We use purge only when fighting zergs or siege fire, but it still hits everyone in group too.

And we don't use dedicated healers, so the rapids nerf was easy to adapt to. We never really needed or used rapids often anyway, but one slotted on a sorc's overload bar is nice to have and still works fine.

And I think I'm talking about before your AD reroll, but I don't remember when exactly that happened in the timeline. Regardless, VE spearheaded the forum campaign against bombard and for reverting the rapids and purge nerfs for organized large scale play back when those changes went through, and then temporarily left for BDO. At least that's the narrative narrative we heard from you guys on the forums.

We just stopped raiding for a while. The leadership (weeaboos the lot of them!) went to play FFXIV. I don't think any of us touched BDO.

Satiar

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dyride wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Wanna know real 1vXers from fake ones? Just watch out for who can still pull it off next patch when its ten times harder and people can no longer be carried by extremely powerful and forgiving mechanics.

^ People been carried by their builds for too long.

That's just called "playing an MMO" tho. We are all nothing without good builds.

Lol no.

1) Do you not make tactical calls in group fights? Do you not use terrain, flank, bait, spread, or otherwise try to outplay your enemies, or do you just run straight at them and let your stats win alone?

2) Just as negate buffs, destro ult, and purge, rapids, and barrier nerfs narrowed the gap between your organized raids and pug zergs -- making you rage and your guild temporarily stop running groups, I will add -- heavy armor buffs, proc sets, Pirate Skeleton, Troll King, and CP stat inflation narrowed the gap between more skilled individuals and small groups and less skilled ones. I've raged plenty at that stuff.

Maybe large scalers are out of touch with the state of the game off crown?

Misrepresenting much?

Are you referring to our defense of support skills being useful to un grouped players and preserving kiting for small scale? You have a selective memory of the logical points people like Steve, Zheg and Joy argued.

Rapids/Purge nerf did more to change small scale kiting and un-grouped support than it changed groups that have enough people for support skills.

Nerfing sustain is going to hurt small-scale and soloers more than zergs and large group's yet again.

Easy mode is just going to be too zerg harder and rely on proc sets even more.

Good players will of course come up with creative ways to get around some of the new limitations.

You couldn't resist attempting to spread a snide falsehood though Kena.

VE took a break after rolling to AD and winning a hard fought campaign there. Nothing has stopped us from being successful either since returning.

The purge, barrier, and rapids nerfs affected ungrouped and large scale support only. That was the entire point of the nerfs... Organized small groups didn't even feel the changes.

Small groups don't have the luxury of using purely defensive ults like barrier, but it would still cover our group size just fine if we chose to... We lose a lot of killing power by using that, though. It's better to increase the group's survivability with buff sets like Transmutation and then use offensive ults.

We use purge only when fighting zergs or siege fire, but it still hits everyone in group too.

And we don't use dedicated healers, so the rapids nerf was easy to adapt to. We never really needed or used rapids often anyway, but one slotted on a sorc's overload bar is nice to have and still works fine.

And I think I'm talking about before your AD reroll, but I don't remember when exactly that happened in the timeline. Regardless, VE spearheaded the forum campaign against bombard and for reverting the rapids and purge nerfs for organized large scale play back when those changes went through, and then temporarily left for BDO. At least that's the narrative narrative we heard from you guys on the forums.

I still have PTSD from playing in the bombard meta. That was the worst, dumbest, least fun thing I've ever done in an MMO. Sometimes on quiet nights I can still hear the sounds of ESO combat, the endless twanging of bombard being spammed without end and without mercy. What a rotten time to roll my DK.

I clearly remember deciding to quit while being bogged down in a field outside ash, watching 50+ DC hovering around my group at bombard range, terrified to engage in close but utterly satisfied to twang at me for 15 or so minutes until we were exhausted for resources and completely unable to even move without mist form. The long retreat to the gate gave me much time for reflection. I even had an enemy group lead whisper me to apologize for what they were doing.

The moral of this sad story? I hate bow builds. And I can't watch Robin Hood without rooting for the Sherrif anymore. They ruined Errol Flynn for me! I smiled when the orcs ruined the elf army in the Hobbit. I sold my old v12 gold hundings memorial bow to a vendor.

.....and then yes, I buried my pain by playing FF14 and spearing things with a Dragoon. Fite me !