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Warlord and Magician CP being removed in Morrowind

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  • Biro123
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    Surely all that's needed to make up for the loss is, perhaps a new support class with unique group sustain abilities..
    Could maybe use cold and nature based abilities and perhaps call it a 'warden'.?
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    xaraan wrote: »
    I'm getting tired of having to completely rebuild my character several times a year just because they can't figure out how to balance the game and decide to roll out some crazy change like this.

    But if they are going this way, then they should take a look at un-nerfing many of the regen sets like black rose and desert rose that felt OP because they could be combined with this. (FYI - want to nerf something like BR - take away the damage buff or reduce it, it's not OP just b/c someone is super tanky, it's OP b/c someone can be super tanky and do decent damage). Plus there have been other changes made like no regen of stam while blocking to deal with OP regen that now will feel like a double nerf to those builds.

    Nothing makes me want to give up the game more than having to rebuild a bunch of characters every time there is a major patch. I hate feeling like that about a game I like.

    They did not raise the level cap. They needed to do something to get people regrinding gear to pad out the length of morrowind.
    Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on March 13, 2017 9:41PM
  • psychotic13
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    First you nerf costs by giving an +8% increased cost to everything with DB, then you changed to formula slightly I believe? But it was a small nerf to recovery again, and if this happens sustain will be impossible

    Magicka DK for example, there skills cost an arm and a leg, without CP for sustain I don't know how the game will handle it
  • austinwalter87ub17_ESO
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    What people seem to forget is that they nerfed the heavy attack passive in armor by 25%. Resulting in 25% less resources. This was substantial. Combined with these CP changes that's rough.

    All skill costs went up in the past. Without these being addressed all builds will be required to go sustain over damage and raw healing power
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  • Riga_Mortis
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    The longer I play this game the weaker my characters get and the content gets continually nerfed. ZOS really does like to do things differently.
    Edited by Riga_Mortis on March 13, 2017 10:34PM
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  • Leogon
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    Just fire him already! That crown crate lady too!
  • JDC1985
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    What's the point in progression if they just keep taking it away in other ways
  • LadyLavina
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    Surely all that's needed to make up for the loss is, perhaps a new support class with unique group sustain abilities..
    Could maybe use cold and nature based abilities and perhaps call it a 'warden'.?

    "hey we're making a new class , lets wreck a lot of people's builds so they're forced to play as or with this new class"
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  • JinMori
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    Dao_Jones wrote: »
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    So basically the only time that you have almost unlimited resources is when you run in a coordinated group
    Is that really a bad thing, though?

    I played this game at launch, and one of the play elements I liked was the idea of soft caps, where there was a logical point past which maximizing a stat became a conscious decision to push your character into a "pure" build at the expense of potentially useful hybridization. (Kinda like the "glass cannon" versus "balanced attack" approach.)

    I came back recently, and I'm kind of appalled at what the game has become. It annoys the hell out of me that any racial choice other than Dunmer or Altmer for Magicka builds means making a character that will never, ever be as strong as those two. It annoys me that gear and CP have replaced the need to make most build choices, and now everyone just designs every single class exactly the same way: "one resource management skill on the back bar, and make up the rest from CP and gear."

    I'd much prefer a game where you need to make a choice between sustained and spike DPS. Where there's value in hybridization. And, ideally, end-game dungeons that are challenging because fights require players be clever or creative - NOT just DPS races against enrage timers.

    (Timers are, in my opinion, the absolute laziest game design choice ever invented, and are universally the result of trying to cover up poor game design decisions.)

    But many people seem to do not agree with you, this game at launch was considered ***, and now it's a pretty acclaimed mmorpg, the reason? people like it more this way.

    I personally think that soft cap don't make much sense, why should you be penalized for specing more into something?
    It doesn't make sense. You wanna play a crit build? Do it. you wanna play a resource build? do it. an so on. i actually think that soft caps wouldn't solve anything, the meta will just shift to something else, and everyone will be running 2 or 3 sets because they perform better.


  • Pwnyridah
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    This is total crap without something to balance it (skills or set bonuses)...
  • Tannus15
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    Their changes seem reasonable to me
    Once you hit CP cap you can pretty much build for damage and not have to make any sacrifices to have full sustain.

    However the biggest problem with the CP structure is that all the damage traits are on the blue tree and the sustain are on the green tree. There is no decision making here apart from magicka or stamina.

    Blue tree should have all the magi damage AND sustain options, green should have all the stamina options. This would also allow people to make hybrid builds. This would also allow people to build for sets like red mountain properly.
  • austinwalter87ub17_ESO
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Their changes seem reasonable to me
    Once you hit CP cap you can pretty much build for damage and not have to make any sacrifices to have full sustain.

    However the biggest problem with the CP structure is that all the damage traits are on the blue tree and the sustain are on the green tree. There is no decision making here apart from magicka or stamina.

    Blue tree should have all the magi damage AND sustain options, green should have all the stamina options. This would also allow people to make hybrid builds. This would also allow people to build for sets like red mountain properly.

    This is a good suggestion. Make magic choose between damage and sustain in their own corresponding damage type or archetype.

    Make stamina choose between damage or sustain in their own archetype.


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  • Nelson_Rebel
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    If this goes live, I want a riot xD.


    Seriously This a terrible terrible change and screws everyone over. PvE or PvP. Doing anything at all in the game after this will only be completed by <1% if that happens. Now tell me what is the point of a game where only a handful of people would ever complete a majority of content?

    That hyperbole may seem extreme, and perhaps it is, But if this change goes live without giving players a resource alternative than what we have, then this game is screwed. I feel even worse for PvPers. Because on top of this Poison's will now be the "I WIN" button no skill losers.
    Edited by Nelson_Rebel on March 14, 2017 1:15AM
  • Vaoh
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    I can't tell if this is a good change or not.

    Will be interesting to see how this plays out :neutral:
  • Nifty2g
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    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
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    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    Edited by Nifty2g on March 14, 2017 2:12AM
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  • HoloYoitsu
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
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    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    You mean like how soft caps allowed hybrid builds and other novel build styles without completely gimping you for not just building in the direction of min maxing stat/dmg/crit/pen?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity
  • Nifty2g
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    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
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    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    You mean like how soft caps allowed hybrid builds and other novel build styles without completely gimping you for not just building in the direction of min maxing stat/dmg/crit/pen?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity
    lmao, if you add soft caps in the game right now you are basically killing off about 40 or so sets and will pretty much shift all magicka and stamina builds to focus on one set to be the saving grace, racials will be useless too. But at least we get play it your way hybrid builds, right?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity.
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  • Rungar
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    hmm..going to 5 man group content?
    Old Rungar always gives what's needed.

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  • redspecter23
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
    Soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, and soft caps.

    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    You mean like how soft caps allowed hybrid builds and other novel build styles without completely gimping you for not just building in the direction of min maxing stat/dmg/crit/pen?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity
    lmao, if you add soft caps in the game right now you are basically killing off about 40 or so sets and will pretty much shift all magicka and stamina builds to focus on one set to be the saving grace, racials will be useless too. But at least we get play it your way hybrid builds, right?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity.

    I'm not saying they would add softcaps back in but ZOS has no problem destroying 50+ sets with one nerf as shown by the recent removal of crits from ALL proc sets, even the ones that were average to begin with, sweeping anything but the best away.
  • waterfairy
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    WTF? Why would they do this? Siphoner sounds like such a *** replacement...they might as well replace mighty with the prosperous trait while they're at it.

    Whoever is in charge of changes like these and skill changes needs to play the game and poll the players
  • FriedEggSandwich
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    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
    Soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, and soft caps.

    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    You mean like how soft caps allowed hybrid builds and other novel build styles without completely gimping you for not just building in the direction of min maxing stat/dmg/crit/pen?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity

    This is what soft caps look like:

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    Soft capped health, magicka, spell damage, spell resistance and magicka recovery. Everyone had these stats because they were so easy to obtain. That isn't diverse.

    Edited by FriedEggSandwich on March 14, 2017 4:29AM
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Their changes seem reasonable to me
    Once you hit CP cap you can pretty much build for damage and not have to make any sacrifices to have full sustain.

    However the biggest problem with the CP structure is that all the damage traits are on the blue tree and the sustain are on the green tree. There is no decision making here apart from magicka or stamina.

    Blue tree should have all the magi damage AND sustain options, green should have all the stamina options. This would also allow people to make hybrid builds. This would also allow people to build for sets like red mountain properly.

    This is really the thing I never understood about the champion system. It doesn't make you chose between damage, sustain, defense, etc. It specifically gives you access to everything by rotating between warrior/mage/thief points.
    No, it makes you chose between points within those constellations, which effectively means you chose between ... magicka recovery and stamina recovery, magic damage and physical damage, light armor and medium armor.
    Which is no damn choice at all, because there already are magicka and stamina builds. The only thing accomplished by this is making hybrids impossible.

    FriedEggSandwich wrote: »
    Soft capped health, magicka, spell damage, spell resistance and magicka recovery. Everyone had these stats because they were so easy to obtain. That isn't diverse.

    Yeah. I'm not sure what people who advocate for soft caps envision, but the way it was, everybody had essentially the same stats.

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  • Doctordarkspawn
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Their changes seem reasonable to me
    Once you hit CP cap you can pretty much build for damage and not have to make any sacrifices to have full sustain.

    However the biggest problem with the CP structure is that all the damage traits are on the blue tree and the sustain are on the green tree. There is no decision making here apart from magicka or stamina.

    Blue tree should have all the magi damage AND sustain options, green should have all the stamina options. This would also allow people to make hybrid builds. This would also allow people to build for sets like red mountain properly.

    Exept without sustain, people wont be able to clear the content due to lack of sustain.

    Exept without damage, people wont be able to clear vet content like SOTH without said damage.

    Your analogy only works if their nerfing the content as well, and trust me, they wont. The content has made the demand for damage. The content has made the demand for sustain. Nerfing one or the other means the content itself needs to be reworked.
    Edited by Doctordarkspawn on March 14, 2017 4:50AM
  • Doctordarkspawn
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    FriedEggSandwich wrote: »
    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
    Soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, and soft caps.

    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    You mean like how soft caps allowed hybrid builds and other novel build styles without completely gimping you for not just building in the direction of min maxing stat/dmg/crit/pen?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity

    This is what soft caps look like:

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    Soft capped health, magicka, spell damage, spell resistance and magicka recovery. Everyone had these stats because they were so easy to obtain. That isn't diverse.

    It's diverse because generally speaking since stat ceilings didn't matter generally speaking you had alot more freedom with actual rotation and gear. Yes there was a 'proper' way to do it but you could also do it reletively well with another setup, allowing for personalization.
  • Tannus15
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    Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Their changes seem reasonable to me
    Once you hit CP cap you can pretty much build for damage and not have to make any sacrifices to have full sustain.

    However the biggest problem with the CP structure is that all the damage traits are on the blue tree and the sustain are on the green tree. There is no decision making here apart from magicka or stamina.

    Blue tree should have all the magi damage AND sustain options, green should have all the stamina options. This would also allow people to make hybrid builds. This would also allow people to build for sets like red mountain properly.

    Exept without sustain, people wont be able to clear the content due to lack of sustain.

    Exept without damage, people wont be able to clear vet content like SOTH without said damage.

    Your analogy only works if their nerfing the content as well, and trust me, they wont. The content has made the demand for damage. The content has made the demand for sustain. Nerfing one or the other means the content itself needs to be reworked.

    Yup, that's literally the idea.

    The idea is to either spread your points broadly so you have some sustain and some damage, or put all your points into damage and try and deal with sustain in a different manner (heavy attack weaves? sustain jewellery? sustain set bonuses?) or grab all those sustain points and try and make up the damage with sets / enchants, or try and walk the middle road.
    It forces you to balance your priorities and tweak your build.

    You could throw all your sustain in the bin and go full hybrid, using magi and stam regens by using a balance of both skills. Stam sorcs could go all stam dps all magi regen and work dark deal into their rotation.

    Right now we have ALL the damage and ALL the sustain, as long as you don't try and do any sort of hybrid build.
    Edited by Tannus15 on March 14, 2017 5:25AM
  • chaserstorm16909
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    adriant1978 wrote: »
    Already a thread going on about this in the Alliance War forum, but I think maybe it needs to be brought to the wider attention of PvE folks who don't visit there.

    Screenshots from PAX East: https://imgur.com/a/KS9mP#rBB48CB (not mine)
      This is terrible...
    • Mooncalf and Arcanist regen CP reduced to 15% maximum from 25% maximum

      And this is the death of my character...
    • Magician replaced by Siphoner, which reduces target's regen (health, magicka & stamina) when hit by light/heavy attacks



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    gard wrote: »
    Ep1kMalware wrote: »
    I totally forgot engine guardian existed. Might be useful again. Ive used it in vma when laggy due to excessive dodgerolling when vigor decides it wont fire off. I'd hate to see kraghs go but once I get all sharp vma weapons and can slot tbs over spriggans my dps should still be 35k

    Without cost reduction you won't be able to cast vigor. Base cost is like 7k isn't it?

    I think base cost is less than 2k, I think you're thinking of caltrops, which is 7 or 8k

    I play a stam templar, so I don't have the incombat sustain nightblades and sorcs have. So I just slot out caltrops for blade cloak for last boss vma since that fight can be heavy on sustain if things don't work out favorably.
    Edited by Ep1kMalware on March 14, 2017 6:08AM
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    Let me guess, the warden has an aoe ability that reduces everyones mag/stam costs by 10% and increses regens by 10%
    PS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
    vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
    4th Console vMOL clear,
    vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic

    My Tribe
    EU
    High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
    Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
    Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
    Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
    Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
    Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
    Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
    Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
    Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
    Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
    Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
    Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank

    NA
    Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
    Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
    Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
    Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
    You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
    Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
    Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
    Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
    Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
    Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank
  • HoloYoitsu
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
    Soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, and soft caps.

    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    You mean like how soft caps allowed hybrid builds and other novel build styles without completely gimping you for not just building in the direction of min maxing stat/dmg/crit/pen?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity
    lmao, if you add soft caps in the game right now you are basically killing off about 40 or so sets and will pretty much shift all magicka and stamina builds to focus on one set to be the saving grace, racials will be useless too. But at least we get play it your way hybrid builds, right?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity.
    You act as if removing the soft caps didn't make previously viable sets unviable either. I don't see why I should be concerned which precious set isn't going to be BIS when we are discussing the issue of game balance and play style diversity. I guess you couldn't give a rats ass about hybrid builds being viable, but your personal preference does not magically make being shoehorned into fewer play styles a good thing.
    FriedEggSandwich wrote: »
    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
    Soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, soft caps, and soft caps.

    Oh, did I mention soft caps?
    softcaps are the worst thing that could happen to ESO right now. Literally kills build and class diversity.
    You mean like how soft caps allowed hybrid builds and other novel build styles without completely gimping you for not just building in the direction of min maxing stat/dmg/crit/pen?

    Yeah, soft caps totally kill diversity

    This is what soft caps look like:

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    Soft capped health, magicka, spell damage, spell resistance and magicka recovery. Everyone had these stats because they were so easy to obtain. That isn't diverse.
    You guys are being overly simplistic with your argument. Similarity in character sheet stats =/= no diversity in builds. The soft caps being what they were meant that many of what would today be considered unoptimal sets were in fact viable because you would still reach the soft caps. Soft caps are not hard caps. Once you were soft capped in the key areas you could either push further against the diminishing returns or spec some into your utility stats (stam/stam regen for mag builds, ect).

    Removing soft caps has simply pushed "build variety" in the direction of building to extremes:
    • Max primary stat + dmg + crit on dps builds
    • Max health trollplars
    • Max regen rolly pollies
    • Max mitigation troll tanks
    Then proc sets on top of this simply exacerbates the whole issue of balance.

    Let's take a look and see the different playstyles of mag sorc that were viable in competitive pvp up through 1.5:
    Removing soft caps + adding the CP system and nerf after nerf after nerf that have been slapped on as bandaid fixes for that mess have succeeded in pushing us to just having destro & dual wield playstyles left, with dual wield losing out more and more just about every update (poisons, 8% dmg boost on destro, incoming siphoning CP, ect).

    Please, go ahead and explain to me how I have more options in my playstyle with the current system?
    Edited by HoloYoitsu on March 14, 2017 6:29AM
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