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Stop saying necro-potence
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PandaIsAPotato✭✭✭Bruh you didn't even pronounce it right.
Neck-Crow-Poe-Tense
gtfo with this Neh Craw ***.
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The words you're looking for there are "anglicised" and "anglification"Regarding Faregyl, i'd argue that it's actually Far-(distance "far")-egyl. It's not Feregyl, that's just a "english'ized" (yes i just made that up :P) version.
Names in these fantasy games are not British or American English names so it should be pronounced more like spelled, rather than adding a englification (just made that up too xD) and their grammars/pronounciations to it.
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Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭You native englishspeakers really have troubles with foreign languages, dont you?
Its like you swallowed a washcloth. You cant say sharp words, especially the ones with "R" in it.
Its because in the english language there are no sharp words.
Necropotence for instance. In german you dont even have to debate that, because we can say it exactly the way its written.
But dont be discouraged, the hardest thing to learn in english for us is to say your "R".
In school we do it with little wooden sticks to put on our tongues.
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Which is what? Inquiring minds want to know!Necropotence for instance. In german you dont even have to debate that, because we can say it exactly the way its written.
Ne-cro-po-tence or
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The_Smilemeister✭✭✭✭✭Of the things some cry babies can think about these days and this is what tops your list?
Oh well, at least it has no real impact.
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Pwnyridah✭✭✭What makes necropotence, nec-ro-po-tense, is the strong O at the end of necrO. It's like nec-ro-man-cy, we wouldn't say Neh-craw-men-cy.Edited by Pwnyridah on March 9, 2017 2:52PM1
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Totes-Bode✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Its pronounced as like incompetence
Say it with me please...
Neh-craw-poe-tense.
Seriously you people are driving me nutz. You know who you are.
Those who say necro-potence are incom-petents. 1 -
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✭✭✭You native englishspeakers really have troubles with foreign languages, dont you?
Its like you swallowed a washcloth. You cant say sharp words, especially the ones with "R" in it.
Its because in the english language there are no sharp words.
Necropotence for instance. In german you dont even have to debate that, because we can say it exactly the way its written.
But dont be discouraged, the hardest thing to learn in english for us is to say your "R".
In school we do it with little wooden sticks to put on our tongues.
Since you're someone who learned English as a second language, I would imagine that you would have a strong appreciation for the quirkiness of the English language.
Necropotence for example:
The OP wants everyone else to say "Ne-crop-otense" because "Necropolis" emphasizes the word "crop" in its pronunciation, which is an apples to oranges comparison. It's wrong.
Necropotence is made of two root words (standalone, real words) mashed together and spoken quickly in that order: "Necro" and "Potent" = "Necro-Potent".
Then you drop the T and add a CE, to turn "Potent" into "Potence" (like when omnipotent turns into omnipotence based on possessive tense). Then you end up with "Necro-Potence" or "Necropotence", not "Ne-crop-o-tense".
Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
"Necro" is a root word common to medical terminology and is used in reference to dead or dying cellular tissue (necrosis, necrotic, necropsy, etc.)
"Potent" is also a root word, and should be self-explanatory.
When you combine two root words, their sounds do not override each other to create a new sound, you just mash them together when saying them out loud.
Do Germans really not have these types of conversations? Must be nice
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✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Anyone else looking forward to necro-ing this thread a year from now?
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I'm surprised we have so many Canadians here. They seem to be the only ones who pronounce it as Necro Potence.Do Germans really not have these types of conversations? Must be nice
Hey, at least you don't have to argue whether a word is male, female or neuter.
It's die Necropotence (f), btw.
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I'm surprised we have so many Canadians here. They seem to be the only ones who pronounce it as Necro Potence.Do Germans really not have these types of conversations? Must be nice
Hey, at least you don't have to argue whether a word is male, female or neuter.
It's die Necropotence (f), btw.
Das Necropotenz, jawohl ja.
Edit: Mucking around obviously. Of course it is die Nekropotenz.
Now serious question though, is this from it's origin a hidden homage to Lovecraft at all or no?Edited by Rouven on March 9, 2017 6:41PMReal stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett1 -
Sordidfairytale✭✭✭✭✭I assumed that this would be over. I'm going to zoom off now and resume work on my resume.
On a side note: ghoti can be pronounced 'fish'
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolisAlandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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✭This reminds me of the .gif pronunciation argument (gif v.s. jif)
We need someone from ZOS to do what the creator of the .gif format did and clarify (jif)
Let us consult our god.
@ZOS_MattFiror , I sacrifice 3 khajiit to summon thee. Please bless us with an answer on how to pronounce necropotence.Edited by LadyLavina on March 9, 2017 6:56PMPC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer0 -
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✭✭Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
it is lol.
Opolis is most definitely not1 -
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✭✭✭Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
It might be a root word in Greek. The page you posted says it's the Greek word for City. It's not a root word in English. We use it as a suffix.
In English, we just say City, unless we want to sound fancy by saying Metropolis. Or we're talking about Superman. But nobody walks around saying "I love New York Polis!"
Necropolis, I'm pretty sure was coined by some archaeologist, and is just a fancy way of saying City of the Dead. It's also more efficient and sounds more "refined".
Suffixes do carry their own definitions. For example, Osis refers to having a pathological condition. But, you don't say "he has an Osis".2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
It might be a root word in Greek. The page you posted says it's the Greek word for City. It's not a root word in English. We use it as a suffix.
In English, we just say City, unless we want to sound fancy by saying Metropolis. Or we're talking about Superman. But nobody walks around saying "I love New York Polis!"
Necropolis, I'm pretty sure was coined by some archaeologist, and is just a fancy way of saying City of the Dead. It's also more efficient and sounds more "refined".
Suffixes do carry their own definitions. For example, Osis refers to having a pathological condition. But, you don't say "he has an Osis".
Even if that were necessary for a word to count as a root word - when was the last time you used "necro" in a sentence without a suffix or as part of a larger word? Why would that be a root word, but not polis?
And "to necro a forum thread" doesn't count.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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✭The issue lies with whether suffixes are stress-imposing or not.
"Polis" (from the Greek work meaning city) is a stress-imposing suffix: it requires the previous syllable to be stressed.
All English words ending with "-polis" feature a stressed syllable before it.
As a prefix, "necro" will therefore adapt its pronunciation on whether the suffix is stress-imposing: it'll be pronounced "neck-roe" in "necromancer", "***", etc. but "ne crop" in "necropolis".
So now the question boils down to figuring out whether "potence" is a stress-imposing suffix or not.
In English, "potence" is not a stand-alone word, because of "potency", so arguing it should be pronounced " poe t@nse" ("@ being a schwa, i.e. the sound in the second syllable of, say, mountain") is going to be difficult.
We do have two words with "-potence" as a suffix, though: "omnipotence" and "impotence".
These two words help us solve the issue, because they don't have the same number of syllables - yet in both instances, the preceding syllable is stressed ("omNIp@t@nce", "IMp@t@nce").
The odds are therefore that "-potence" is a stress-imposing suffix.
Ergo: the OP's right: ne-crop-@t@ns, as in "incompetence".
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mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
Polis is one of the roots. Necropolis is not, as the person you're quoting suggests, an English word formed from cobbling together two Greek roots. It's a descendant of the original Greek νεκρόπολις, which you can see stresses the first omicron (words in Ancient Greek were stressed on the syllable that carries the written accent).
"Necropotence" is a made-up word and can be pronounced however you will. But many in this thread are trying to justify one pronunciation or the other based on ideas that are actually 100% false, and I'd take anything said with a grain of salt.2 -
Didaco✭✭✭✭Am I really the only one who read the entire thread and didn't grasp the difference among all the different pronunciations proposed?
Btw Violent Copernicus is violent.
Also, I'm not english/american.Edited by Didaco on March 9, 2017 7:41PM0 -
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✭✭✭Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
It might be a root word in Greek. The page you posted says it's the Greek word for City. It's not a root word in English. We use it as a suffix.
In English, we just say City, unless we want to sound fancy by saying Metropolis. Or we're talking about Superman. But nobody walks around saying "I love New York Polis!"
Necropolis, I'm pretty sure was coined by some archaeologist, and is just a fancy way of saying City of the Dead. It's also more efficient and sounds more "refined".
Suffixes do carry their own definitions. For example, Osis refers to having a pathological condition. But, you don't say "he has an Osis".
Even if that were necessary for a word to count as a root word - when was the last time you used "necro" in a sentence without a suffix or as part of a larger word? Why would that be a root word, but not polis?
And "to necro a forum thread" doesn't count.
Because you're using the suffix to modify what the root word pertains to. Necrosis versus necropolis.
One is a condition and the other is a city...of sorts.
You can also use prefixes to do that, but they don't have the aural affect on the pronunciation of the word. They're just tacked onto the beginning of another word.
You can also say Necro is being used as a prefix for Necropotence, but that won't change the pronunciation.
What kind of "potence" is it? It's "Necro" "potence", the potency of death.
These are incidentally both root words that are used as a prefix and a suffix, but root words nonetheless.0 -
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✭mesmerizedish wrote: »Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
Polis is one of the roots. Necropolis is not, as the person you're quoting suggests, an English word formed from cobbling together two Greek roots. It's a descendant of the original Greek νεκρόπολις, which you can see stresses the first omicron (words in Ancient Greek were stressed on the syllable that carries the written accent).
"Necropotence" is a made-up word and can be pronounced however you will. But many in this thread are trying to justify one pronunciation or the other based on ideas that are actually 100% false, and I'd take anything said with a grain of salt.mesmerizedish wrote: »Necropolis is a root word combined with a suffix word. "Necro" and "Opolis" (pronounced "ah-Po-Liss"). When you combine the root word with its suffix, the O drops off of "Necro" and is replaced by the Op of "Opolis" to get that "Ne-Crop-olis" sound (also the same for "Meh-Trop-olis").
How is polis not a root word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
Polis is one of the roots. Necropolis is not, as the person you're quoting suggests, an English word formed from cobbling together two Greek roots. It's a descendant of the original Greek νεκρόπολις, which you can see stresses the first omicron (words in Ancient Greek were stressed on the syllable that carries the written accent).
"Necropotence" is a made-up word and can be pronounced however you will. But many in this thread are trying to justify one pronunciation or the other based on ideas that are actually 100% false, and I'd take anything said with a grain of salt.
Languages such as English and ancient Greek have well-documented stress-assigning rules.
Take "νεκρόπολις", for instance. It's easy to see it is a compound word, formed of the adjective "νεκρός", meaning "dead", and the noun "πόλις", meaning "city". Why did the accent of "πόλις" drop? Because in ancient Greek, there can only be one, and because the stress goes as far to the left as it can, within the limits of proparoxytones (stress on the third last syllable) - only the last three syllables of a word can be accented. I'll spare you the details of why we know it comes from the adjective "νεκρός", and not the noun "νεκρός" ("corpse") - it might be boring, but therein lies the reason why the word is not stressed "νεκροπόλις"
In English, a suffix like "-tion" for instance impose paroxytonic patterns (stress on the last but one syllable).
Of course, one can pronounce "necropotence" however one wants - it's still a pleasant intellectual exercise to infer a pronunciation from a pre-existing set of rules.
My vote still goes for the OP's pronunciation "ne-crop-@-t@ns", with "-potence" imposing a proparoxytonic pattern as in "impotence "and "omnipotence" - this would be in keeping with the fact that "omnipresence" is pronounced "OMniPREZ@ense", i.e. "omni-" pronounced differently. If "-potence" weren't stress-imposing, we would have "OMniPOtense"...
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Necropolice!
Made that up all by myself. Cause this whole necrosurrecting business is illegal in some parts of the country. You can work yourself up to Necrofficer with your own squad.Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett0
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