51 crown crates = zero apex rewards

cjthibs

Stopnaggin wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Who is sugarcoating it?

Have already criticized several aspects of the crown crate system. As already mentioned, the problem with this model is that items that are actually cool are not that cool to have after all, because many (casual) gamers will just think you are a dumb clown if you spend money on crown crates. In a way, one can say that the *** factor is too high.

(Seems like a word got censored in the last sentence, but it's supposed to be "d.o.uc.he factor")

Personally I have never given much thought to what others think of me, especially when online. I worry about my character, because that's who I really am as a person, not my reputation, because that's only what others think of me. I have enough friends ingame that know me well enough to become real friends, and that's all good with me. Those are the people I choose to spend my spare time with. Some random calling me a whale or any other myriad of names doesn't bother me. If I feel like getting crates I will, and not one thing I will be called is going to change that. As a matter of fact everytime one of these post come up I feel like going out and buying $100 worth of crowns just to by crates.

This made me laugh a lot harder than it should have.

Stopnaggin

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

cjthibs

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

Are you saying that you would prefer to pay some random value higher for a particular item? Maybe 3 or 4 or 5 times as much as it would be if you bought it outright?

DRXHarbinger

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

I don't want them gone. But when storm crates landed Rawlka was like a war zone lit up from the animations.


I have seen one...one hunt guar and that's it so far now.

Drop rates were nerfed hard.

@ZOS_MattFiror any comment on the abysmal drop rates this "season" it's fairly evident in game that you have well and truly taken the *** this time. That labrador dog pet takes up 25% of the loot table by my results. 11 times lol.

Balamoor

Stopnaggin wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Who is sugarcoating it?

Have already criticized several aspects of the crown crate system. As already mentioned, the problem with this model is that items that are actually cool are not that cool to have after all, because many (casual) gamers will just think you are a dumb clown if you spend money on crown crates. In a way, one can say that the *** factor is too high.

(Seems like a word got censored in the last sentence, but it's supposed to be "d.o.uc.he factor")

As a matter of fact everytime one of these post come up I feel like going out and buying $100 worth of crowns just to by crates.

That's inspiring think I'll drop a couple of Benjamin's on crates myself today.

Artemiisia

willlienellson wrote: »

I just want F'ing RNG out of all aspects of the game.

I don't care if a mount costs $100. I don't care if you have to do a dungeon 100 times to collect enough tokens for a set.

We have RNG in loot drops.
We have RNG in our skills (20% chance to dodge)
We have RNG in the store now.

ENOUGH FARKING RNG!!!

single player games, dont have it I think

PlaceboSoul

I love that people are acting like they are heroes to a cause buying crates. Actually ruining the game, but whatever makes you think you are awesome, we will see how awesome you feel when everything in game is a real money purchase and players start leaving. When the game dies, it won't be with a death gurgle, it will be with the rallying cry of morons, "more crates!"

ThePaleItalian

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

I don't want them gone. But when storm crates landed Rawlka was like a war zone lit up from the animations.


I have seen one...one hunt guar and that's it so far now.

Drop rates were nerfed hard.

@ZOS_MattFiror any comment on the abysmal drop rates this "season" it's fairly evident in game that you have well and truly taken the *** this time. That labrador dog pet takes up 25% of the loot table by my results. 11 times lol.

Because they have been out 1 day and the fact that the majority of people are either in their houses, in PvP, or just didnt like the wild hunt mounts and don't want them?

You dropped this *hands you your tin foil hat*

DRXHarbinger

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

I don't want them gone. But when storm crates landed Rawlka was like a war zone lit up from the animations.


I have seen one...one hunt guar and that's it so far now.

Drop rates were nerfed hard.

@ZOS_MattFiror any comment on the abysmal drop rates this "season" it's fairly evident in game that you have well and truly taken the *** this time. That labrador dog pet takes up 25% of the loot table by my results. 11 times lol.

Because they have been out 1 day and the fact that the majority of people are either in their houses, in PvP, or just didnt like the wild hunt mounts and don't want them?

You dropped this *hands you your tin foil hat*

You obviously can't read and have very little friends in game.

Slurg

cjthibs wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

Are you saying that you would prefer to pay some random value higher for a particular item? Maybe 3 or 4 or 5 times as much as it would be if you bought it outright?

Reading this thread and others like it, that is exactly what some people are saying. They like the gambling aspect of it. That's great for them I guess, they're getting exactly what they want. I don't understand why they are being such sore winners about it.

Balamoor

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

That labrador dog pet takes up 25% of the loot table by my results. 11 times lol.

Yeah but he looks exactly like my Dog IRL, which is awesome. :-)

cjthibs

Slurg wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

Are you saying that you would prefer to pay some random value higher for a particular item? Maybe 3 or 4 or 5 times as much as it would be if you bought it outright?

Reading this thread and others like it, that is exactly what some people are saying. They like the gambling aspect of it. That's great for them I guess, they're getting exactly what they want. I don't understand why they are being such sore winners about it.

Honestly, it's fascinating to me that if given the choice between paying X for something -or- paying X multiplied by some random number, anyone would make the second choice.

It would not be fun for me to walk into Burger King, order a combo and then have them tell me that they are going to randomly increase the price to 3x the normal price. (Not to mention having to listen to that stupid cat-dude goading me on about how I should try again and waste even more cash.)

c0rp

I'm gonna be the guy that says "I got the exact apex I wanted on the 5th crate I opened". Because I did.

JimT722

cjthibs wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

Are you saying that you would prefer to pay some random value higher for a particular item? Maybe 3 or 4 or 5 times as much as it would be if you bought it outright?

Reading this thread and others like it, that is exactly what some people are saying. They like the gambling aspect of it. That's great for them I guess, they're getting exactly what they want. I don't understand why they are being such sore winners about it.

Honestly, it's fascinating to me that if given the choice between paying X for something -or- paying X multiplied by some random number, anyone would make the second choice.

It would not be fun for me to walk into Burger King, order a combo and then have them tell me that they are going to randomly increase the price to 3x the normal price. (Not to mention having to listen to that stupid cat-dude goading me on about how I should try again and waste even more cash.)

As Pacrooti would say... "Pacrooti can see a lucky aura around you today. He is sure you will get something good! And all you need is a crate. You can purchase one from the store, and then we can begin." Or how about "There are no crates remaining. Purchase more if you wish to try your luck again!"

Isn't that great! Crates... purchase, and when your done purchase more. So say Pacrooti.

phileunderx2

1st cycle of crates the only thing I wanted was the red wolf mount and it took around 15 crates of crap to get enough gems to purchase him. I also ended up wit an atro bear , palomino horse and several costumes.
This time the only thing I really want is the toxin Dr costume. But no more crates until I know how much the Sabre toothed senche is going to be.

Balamoor

JimT722 wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

Are you saying that you would prefer to pay some random value higher for a particular item? Maybe 3 or 4 or 5 times as much as it would be if you bought it outright?

Reading this thread and others like it, that is exactly what some people are saying. They like the gambling aspect of it. That's great for them I guess, they're getting exactly what they want. I don't understand why they are being such sore winners about it.

Honestly, it's fascinating to me that if given the choice between paying X for something -or- paying X multiplied by some random number, anyone would make the second choice.

It would not be fun for me to walk into Burger King, order a combo and then have them tell me that they are going to randomly increase the price to 3x the normal price. (Not to mention having to listen to that stupid cat-dude goading me on about how I should try again and waste even more cash.)

As Pacrooti would say... "Pacrooti can see a lucky aura around you today. He is sure you will get something good! And all you need is a crate. You can purchase one from the store, and then we can begin." Or how about "There are no crates remaining. Purchase more if you wish to try your luck again!"

Isn't that great! Crates... purchase, and when your done purchase more. So say Pacrooti.

You do know you just caused about 15 people to flip their desk right?

Good show! :-P

umagon

Myyth wrote: »

I don’t know if anyone has pointed it out, but Pacrooti is an anagram for I act poor.

SydneyGrey

cjthibs wrote: »

Honestly, it's fascinating to me that if given the choice between paying X for something -or- paying X multiplied by some random number, anyone would make the second choice.

I'd rather they put everything in the Store for a set price than have crates, but since they decided to go with the crates, I'm pretty much shrugging my shoulders and saying "Sure, why not. ... Sounds like fun."

I DO like the roll-the-dice, surprise mystery box aspect, as I've said before, however, if I could choose, I'd choose to have everything go into the Store for a set price. That would benefit every person here.

I wish they'd double the amount of items that are in the Crown Store at any given time.

So it's not a matter of "making the second choice" so much as just being satisfied with what we're given.

cjthibs

SydneyGrey wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Honestly, it's fascinating to me that if given the choice between paying X for something -or- paying X multiplied by some random number, anyone would make the second choice.

I'd rather they put everything in the Store for a set price than have crates, but since they decided to go with the crates, I'm pretty much shrugging my shoulders and saying "Sure, why not. ... Sounds like fun."

I DO like the roll-the-dice, surprise mystery box aspect, as I've said before, however, if I could choose, I'd choose to have everything go into the Store for a set price. That would benefit every person here.

I wish they'd double the amount of items that are in the Crown Store at any given time.

So it's not a matter of "making the second choice" so much as just being satisfied with what we're given.

Actually, it is a choice.
ZoS expects to make revenue from this, and if enough people would not just shrug and deal with it, they would likely go back to their previous model of selling everything at set prices.

Sadly though, there are enough people who will willingly be ripped off and taken for a ride that this will continue.

rotaugen454

My wife spends more on toys, clothes and furniture for her $3000 Savannah cat than I'll ever spend on ESO. I'll buy some crates if crowns go on sale, otherwise I'll just skip this set. If full Crown prices on crates are ok for others, fine for them.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

SydneyGrey wrote: »

When I got the Storm Atronach crates, I spent less and got more mounts,

That's how it was in SWTOR.

At first people seemed to have a semi-reasonable chance of getting the "shiny loot" rather than the trash. But over time, weeks, months, etc the chance of getting the "shiny loot" got less and less.

But by then players were conditioned to accept the gambling-crate as the ONLY way to obtain decent store items.

The same is happening here.

Wonder why?

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

My goodness, who would have thought that gambling while totally blind to the odds (because ZOS doesn't release them) could be a frustrating and enraging experience. Well done, you just got suckered

Not at all. It's not being suckered if you know what you're getting yourself into.

Except without knowing the actual odds you have absolutely NO idea what you are getting into.

All The Best

JKorr

ChaosWotan wrote: »

It's a fact that it's not gambling when one is guaranteed to get an apex mount for a 100 bucks, so please stop repeating that this is a gamble.

However, if your mindset is that you want to spend perhaps 40-50 dollars, hoping that the RNG will be good, then that's a gamble.

This has already been discussed.

Please, cite a source for this. Considering for the Atronach crates people reported spending $320 before getting an apex reward/atronach mount, I seriously doubt there is an official statement *guaranteeing* that if you spend $100 you'll get a apex reward mount. If you want a specific one, well, who knows? You need to get all the items available before you start getting duplicates and the gems for the dups.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/306955/demystifying-crown-crate-drop-chances-with-80-000-simulations

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/306221/crown-gem-conversions-and-the-equivalent-cost-in-dollars-of-an-apex-mount

AlMcFly

cjthibs wrote: »

and if enough people would not just shrug and deal with it, they would likely go back to their previous model of selling everything at set prices.

Sadly though, there are enough people who will willingly be ripped off and taken for a ride that this will continue.

No MMO to my knowledge, in the history of MMOs, has EVER reverted from a system of gambling crates to a system with no gambling crates. You say this is "likely" but you base it on zero evidence or precedent. What you're describing is a fairy tale. It is MORE "likely" that Crown Crates are here to stay and everyone will need to learn how to deal with it.

You're living in a dream world Neo.

cjthibs

AlMcFly wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

and if enough people would not just shrug and deal with it, they would likely go back to their previous model of selling everything at set prices.

Sadly though, there are enough people who will willingly be ripped off and taken for a ride that this will continue.

No MMO to my knowledge, in the history of MMOs, has EVER reverted from a system of gambling crates to a system with no gambling crates. You say this is "likely" but you base it on zero evidence or precedent. What you're describing is a fairy tale. It is MORE "likely" that Crown Crates are here to stay and everyone will need to learn how to deal with it.

You're living in a dream world Neo.

*sigh*

I said in my post that it isn't going to happen bro.

Did you miss the last line there?

Also, do you understand the role of the word 'if' in the English language. It's a conditional, meaning what I said after that is based on a condition...a condition that I go on to say will not be met.

L2Read.

AlMcFly

cjthibs wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

and if enough people would not just shrug and deal with it, they would likely go back to their previous model of selling everything at set prices.

Sadly though, there are enough people who will willingly be ripped off and taken for a ride that this will continue.

No MMO to my knowledge, in the history of MMOs, has EVER reverted from a system of gambling crates to a system with no gambling crates. You say this is "likely" but you base it on zero evidence or precedent. What you're describing is a fairy tale. It is MORE "likely" that Crown Crates are here to stay and everyone will need to learn how to deal with it.

You're living in a dream world Neo.

*sigh*

I said in my post that it isn't going to happen bro.

Did you miss the last line there?

Also, do you understand the role of the word 'if' in the English language. It's a conditional, meaning what I said after that is based on a condition...a condition that I go on to say will not be met.

L2Read.

It would behoove you to improve your reading comprehension, and learn to properly argue. You imply "it's not going to happen because people won't stop buying". I implied that you are dead wrong, and that it won't happen because ZOS won't stop selling them regardless of how many people are buying them.

[SNIp]

[Edited for bait]

ChaosWotan

JKorr, for a hundred bucks you get enough crown gems to buy one apex mount. It costs 400 gems. This has also been discussed.

In general I agree that the crown crates is not a good model. It only makes sense to purchase an apex mount if you are already using thousand of dollars on computer equipment in order to get the best gaming experience. But that excludes the majority.

I have already used so much money on ESO that I want the majority to be as happy as possible, because that keeps the game alive. I will continue to buy crates in the future, if I see items I want to use crown gems on, but all in all I think it's best for the game if the crate store is either shut down or players have the option to buy an apex mount for 3-5 million ingame gold, similar to the housing system.

Agobi

umagon wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

I don’t know if anyone has pointed it out, but Pacrooti is an anagram for I act poor.

And also '"I Cart Poo"

Coincidence? I think no!

J'accuse!!!!

cjthibs

AlMcFly wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

and if enough people would not just shrug and deal with it, they would likely go back to their previous model of selling everything at set prices.

Sadly though, there are enough people who will willingly be ripped off and taken for a ride that this will continue.

No MMO to my knowledge, in the history of MMOs, has EVER reverted from a system of gambling crates to a system with no gambling crates. You say this is "likely" but you base it on zero evidence or precedent. What you're describing is a fairy tale. It is MORE "likely" that Crown Crates are here to stay and everyone will need to learn how to deal with it.

You're living in a dream world Neo.

*sigh*

I said in my post that it isn't going to happen bro.

Did you miss the last line there?

Also, do you understand the role of the word 'if' in the English language. It's a conditional, meaning what I said after that is based on a condition...a condition that I go on to say will not be met.

L2Read.

It would behoove you to improve your reading comprehension, and learn to properly argue. You imply "it's not going to happen because people won't stop buying". I implied that you are dead wrong, and that is "won't happen" because ZOS won't stop selling them regardless of how many people buying them.

[SNIp]

[Edited for bait]

[SNIp]

If you really want to keep arguing over something silly like this, just consider one thing.
If a business is not making money from one revenue stream, why would they continue to pursue that revenue stream?

If I had only said it was likely it would be reverted, then you'd have a point. But, I didn't. I said IF nobody was putting money into that revenue stream, THEN it would be likely that it would change.

[SNIp]

[Edited for bait]

PlaceboSoul

To be honest, neither side can say for sure what may happen, no one can see the future. So a bit rude to say someone is living in a fairy tale, your evidence is no stronger, unless you're psychic.

There is data to support 2 things. One, gamble crates usually stay in a game once they are in place. Ok. Also true though, a lot of games with gamble crates die, because people get sick of the model.

So really, no one is going to win with eso. Either the crates stay and the game will die an agonizing death, or the crates go, and I guess the theory of the crate buyers is ZOS will fold up shop if this happens? I don't know, I think they'd try something else, but I don't really know.