51 crown crates = zero apex rewards

Gandrhulf_Harbard

ChaosWotan wrote: »

If you spend 100 bucks, you will have enough crown gems to buy the apex mount you want.

Well that's just as indefensible as gambling to be honest.

A mount that costs more than the base game - disgustingly greedy behaviour.

All The Best

Cpt_Teemo

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

Only if they let Crown store stuff be sellable in game, doh.

ThePonzzz

All the gambling talk makes me think no one in here really gambles. You get 4 to 5 items every time you open a crate. That's not a gamble. This is more akin to buying a Magic: the Gathering booster pack and hoping for a rare card.

JimT722

ThePonzzz wrote: »

All the gambling talk makes me think no one in here really gambles. You get 4 to 5 items every time you open a crate. That's not a gamble. This is more akin to buying a Magic: the Gathering booster pack and hoping for a rare card.

Gambling
Wagering of money on a game of chance or event with an uncertain outcome.

So yes, by definition it's gambling.

AlMcFly

cjthibs wrote: »

Seriously?
I said point-blank in that post that it wasn't going to happen.

As you aren't rebutting my points, I will assume you concede them. Thanks.

cjthibs wrote: »

If a business is not making money from one revenue stream, why would they continue to pursue that revenue stream?

You make the very poor assumption that all businesses are efficiently and rationally run by competent decision-makers. Businesses follow failed revenue streams all the time, and for way too long.

cjthibs wrote: »

If I had only said it was likely it would be reverted, then you'd have a point. But, I didn't. I said IF nobody was putting money into that revenue stream, THEN it would be likely that it would change.

Do you think it's easy to lie on a forum which contains all your previous writings? You said QUOTE:

cjthibs wrote: »

and if enough people would not just shrug and deal with it, they would likely go back to their previous model of selling everything at set prices.

"Go back to their previous model"...That my friend, is literally the textbook definition of "revert". Please, put down that bong and join the rest of us in reality.

Veiling arguments inside "If - Then" statements is still an argument.

ThePonzzz

JimT722 wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

All the gambling talk makes me think no one in here really gambles. You get 4 to 5 items every time you open a crate. That's not a gamble. This is more akin to buying a Magic: the Gathering booster pack and hoping for a rare card.

Gambling
Wagering of money on a game of chance or event with an uncertain outcome.

So yes, by definition it's gambling.

That's gambling as a term. Not the act of gambling what is being used in this context.

So you would say buying a collectible card game is gambling? Buying a mystery pack item at the store? Turning the crank on a quarter machine for a toy? All of that is gambling to you?

PlaceboSoul

AlMcFly wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Seriously?
I said point-blank in that post that it wasn't going to happen.

As you aren't rebutting my points, I will assume you concede them. Thanks.

cjthibs wrote: »

If a business is not making money from one revenue stream, why would they continue to pursue that revenue stream?

You make the very poor assumption that all businesses are efficiently and rationally run by competent decision-makers. Businesses follow failed revenue streams all the time, and for way too long.

cjthibs wrote: »

If I had only said it was likely it would be reverted, then you'd have a point. But, I didn't. I said IF nobody was putting money into that revenue stream, THEN it would be likely that it would change.

Do you think it's easy to lie on a forum which contains all your previous writings? You said QUOTE:

cjthibs wrote: »

and if enough people would not just shrug and deal with it, they would likely go back to their previous model of selling everything at set prices.

"Go back to their previous model"...That my friend, is literally the textbook definition of "revert". Please, put down that bong and join the rest of us in reality.

Veiling arguments inside "If - Then" statements is still an argument.

You are very good at trying to remove context and twist someone's words. It's not a fair debate tactic, it's misdirection, and it does not make you right. He did very clearly say IF. So to then remove it from context and quote the definition of revert, it's just sneaky.

You are the one that needs to put down the bong and join us in reality. Being sneaky and snide doesn't make you a good debater, it just makes you look like a pompous jerk.

JimT722

ThePonzzz wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

All the gambling talk makes me think no one in here really gambles. You get 4 to 5 items every time you open a crate. That's not a gamble. This is more akin to buying a Magic: the Gathering booster pack and hoping for a rare card.

Gambling
Wagering of money on a game of chance or event with an uncertain outcome.

So yes, by definition it's gambling.

That's gambling as a term. Not the act of gambling what is being used in this context.

So you would say buying a collectible card game is gambling? Buying a mystery pack item at the store? Turning the crank on a quarter machine for a toy? All of that is gambling to you?

In a sense... yes. The outcome is uncertain. They were designed with that intent, and were part of why they were designed. A booster pack for a trading card game you know that you are getting random cards from the moment you start playing and accept that.

They changed this game fundamentally from earning things in game like it was at launch to shoveling money at it in hopes to get the cosmetics you desire for your character. It's gotten crazy. The most desired cosmetic items are behind rng walls tied directly to money. This is not why i started playing MMO's and I despise this practice.

And please don't use the words it's just cosmetics. In rpg's, a character appearance is just as important as functionality. That's part of the experience in an rpg, wether an mmo or not.

Acrolas

ThePonzzz wrote: »

So you would say buying a collectible card game is gambling? Buying a mystery pack item at the store? Turning the crank on a quarter machine for a toy? All of that is gambling to you?

It depends on the definition. If you're going on risk for a chance of reward, then yes it's gambling. If you only consider gambling those instances where you can possibly receive no reward at all, then none of those are gambling because you're receiving something that can be sold or traded.

I'm no fan of the blind collectibles fad. I don't buy them unless there's a reference number, a code, or a way to feel what I'm getting. But they're not going away, either. That's the exploitative thinking behind the person who introduced these. In most real-world cases, companies do not discontinue blind boxes and crates. They double down on them. Loot Crate has a ton of monthly boxes now. So does Funko. And most people don't love the crap they get in those either. I've wanted precisely three items from every monthly box I've ever seen produced. I bought them on eBay for mere dollars.

Anyways, once you suggest people do blind boxes, you're getting paid to introduce a system that never really goes away. It's just I'd like to think most people have a moral compass that points them toward not repeatedly taking advantage of people for an easy paycheck. Willing people are not necessarily woke people, to borrow a word I'm also not a fan of.

We're seeming to ignore that there are ways for players to optimize their odds. But I'm not going to list them because then somebody could alter the system to account for that behavior. Let's just agree in this thread that large first-day purchases and openings could reward but most times will not reward.

AlMcFly

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

You are very good at trying to remove context and twist someone's words. It's not a fair debate tactic, it's misdirection, and it does not make you right. He did very clearly say IF. So to then remove it from context and quote the definition of revert, it's just sneaky.

You are the one that needs to put down the bong and join us in reality. Being sneaky and snide doesn't make you a good debater, it just makes you look like a pompous jerk.

HA! I guess I'm not being ignored by you anymore.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Wow, an ass to the end, another person gets ignored by me.

PlaceboSoul

We are all so impressed that you are educated enough to use google, and post quotations.

You are correct, I ignored you for the rest of yesterday, and removed the ignore this morning. Despite my dislike of your tactics, I value all information, even yours.

jircris11

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

AlMcFly

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

We are all so impressed that you are educated enough to use google, and post quotations.

You are correct, I ignored you for the rest of yesterday, and removed the ignore this morning. Despite my dislike of your tactics, I value all information, even yours.

It's only natural. People dislike having the words they use being picked apart because they want the freedom to say any kind of nonsense without being challenged.

cjthibs

jircris11 wrote: »

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

What does that even mean?

Docmandu

I'll not waste money on these things... but if you see how much money people waste to be "popular" with their twitch streamer, well what is 100$ then...

PlaceboSoul

jircris11 wrote: »

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

I'm not a new age WoW born player, and I'm against the crown store practices. My first mmo were Everquest and uo. I've been around a long time, just so that you are aware, all of the people against the crates are not little kids. In fact I think the majorities are probably the opposite. Eq, uo, WoW and a lot of other mmo don't have these tactics, so you can't say they all do.

Let's avoid slinging insults and calling the other side little kids, even if it's indirectly. I'm most likely older than you and two of your friends combined.

PlaceboSoul

AlMcFly wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

We are all so impressed that you are educated enough to use google, and post quotations.

You are correct, I ignored you for the rest of yesterday, and removed the ignore this morning. Despite my dislike of your tactics, I value all information, even yours.

It's only natural. People dislike having the words they use being picked apart because they want the freedom to say any kind of nonsense without being challenged.

Actually that isn't the problem. The problem is when people take things out of context. You are obviously intelligent, most probably educated, kudos to you. I also have a fairly apt intellect, my problem is when people do what you do though. Use their intellect and quote people out of context, then try to make them look stupid. It's disrespectful and a cheap trick, not good debate tactics as you think.

Good debate tactics would be presenting an argument, and then backing that argument with facts or supporting data. Often all I see you do is quote someone else, but only part of their statement, out of context, and then try to use it to make them look foolish.

I'll be honest, I don't like people like you, just on principle.

rotaugen454

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

I'm not a new age WoW born player, and I'm against the crown store practices. My first mmo were Everquest and uo. I've been around a long time, just so that you are aware, all of the people against the crates are not little kids. In fact I think the majorities are probably the opposite. Eq, uo, WoW and a lot of other mmo don't have these tactics, so you can't say they all do.

Let's avoid slinging insults and calling the other side little kids, even if it's indirectly. I'm most likely older than you and two of your friends combined.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

I'm not a new age WoW born player, and I'm against the crown store practices. My first mmo were Everquest and uo. I've been around a long time, just so that you are aware, all of the people against the crates are not little kids. In fact I think the majorities are probably the opposite. Eq, uo, WoW and a lot of other mmo don't have these tactics, so you can't say they all do.

Let's avoid slinging insults and calling the other side little kids, even if it's indirectly. I'm most likely older than you and two of your friends combined.

If I call anyone a kid, it's just because I'm getting old enough that my kids are older than a lot of the forum users. I have no problem with people buying what they want, OR disliking the direction a company is headed with their sales. There really are too many people who resort to insults, whether it's the "sorry you're too poor to afford crates" crowd or the "you're an idiot if you ride a crate mount" crowd. It would be nice if we were all in the same location and could handle arguements the old way: drink too much, punch each other, then spend the rest of the night drinking more and laughing with your new friends.

Vulsahdaal

JimT722 wrote: »

As Pacrooti would say... "Pacrooti can see a lucky aura around you today. He is sure you will get something good! And all you need is a crate. You can purchase one from the store, and then we can begin." Or how about "There are no crates remaining. Purchase more if you wish to try your luck again!"

Isn't that great! Crates... purchase, and when your done purchase more. So say Pacrooti.

Honestly, I dont know why so many bother to listen to Pacrooti? I mean, we all know what he is full of..

PlaceboSoul

rotaugen454 wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

I'm not a new age WoW born player, and I'm against the crown store practices. My first mmo were Everquest and uo. I've been around a long time, just so that you are aware, all of the people against the crates are not little kids. In fact I think the majorities are probably the opposite. Eq, uo, WoW and a lot of other mmo don't have these tactics, so you can't say they all do.

Let's avoid slinging insults and calling the other side little kids, even if it's indirectly. I'm most likely older than you and two of your friends combined.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

I'm not a new age WoW born player, and I'm against the crown store practices. My first mmo were Everquest and uo. I've been around a long time, just so that you are aware, all of the people against the crates are not little kids. In fact I think the majorities are probably the opposite. Eq, uo, WoW and a lot of other mmo don't have these tactics, so you can't say they all do.

Let's avoid slinging insults and calling the other side little kids, even if it's indirectly. I'm most likely older than you and two of your friends combined.

If I call anyone a kid, it's just because I'm getting old enough that my kids are older than a lot of the forum users. I have no problem with people buying what they want, OR disliking the direction a company is headed with their sales. There really are too many people who resort to insults, whether it's the "sorry you're too poor to afford crates" crowd or the "you're an idiot if you ride a crate mount" crowd. It would be nice if we were all in the same location and could handle arguements the old way: drink too much, punch each other, then spend the rest of the night drinking more and laughing with your new friends.

True. Have a good one buds
<raises his cup>

MadLarkin

cjthibs wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

souravami wrote: »

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

every mmo has these "*** business practices" or worse. so really all i can say to people like you is get the hell over it and don't partake in it. they don't break the game and IF you do buy it you KNOW the risk. Tired of seeing these new age WoW born mmo players who think this is the end of the world, it's not every mo out there has a RNG box OR sells max lvl characters OR in some cases both.

What does that even mean?

Its a general "its just the way things are" statement that lacks any sort of context. Most MMO's that have these garbage business practices only get away with it because most of the games that implement them are F2P and all content is available to the players.

I have to take breaks from STO because I refuse to gamble for the best ships, but I can save up and buy them with in-game currency once players put them up on the exchange.The subscription gives good rewards but it isn't necessary to enjoy the game. The game is totally free to play, including all content updates, so I don't complain.

With ESO, as I have posted numerous times, we now have an initial purchase, DLC, an optional subscription (which creates inventory headaches without the crafting bag), an ever growing and increasingly expensive store, gambling crates, and now "chapters" (after an unmentioned change to the ESO+ benefits language).

At what point have we gotten a reasonable return on our investment? Was it the housing with copy/pasted buildings, very little functionality, and exacerbated inventory and RNG issues designed to push people to the $80+ houses on the store? Was it the addition of crown store motifs and ludicrously expensive mounts? Will it be the "expansion" that contains content that was present in the game as far back as the alpha? How about the persisting Cyrodiil LAG that they are now trying to fix by removing CP?

If ZOS wants us to pay AAA AND F2P prices for this game, I think we need to see some better output from them. Everything they've done lately has been either meh or contrived in some way to try and get people to spend even more money. At some point there needs to be some bounce back instead of them constantly having their hands out.

c0rp

ThePonzzz wrote: »

All the gambling talk makes me think no one in here really gambles. You get 4 to 5 items every time you open a crate. That's not a gamble. This is more akin to buying a Magic: the Gathering booster pack and hoping for a rare card.

Exactly. It's FUN to open mtg packs..and I have FUN opening crown crates too. I am not being "ripped off" at all, as so many people seem to think I am lol.

Malamar1229

hate to brag but i opened 35 crates, got one apex guar, 3 mounts, a half dozen pets, the hircine statue.

MadLarkin

c0rp wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

All the gambling talk makes me think no one in here really gambles. You get 4 to 5 items every time you open a crate. That's not a gamble. This is more akin to buying a Magic: the Gathering booster pack and hoping for a rare card.

Exactly. It's FUN to open mtg packs..and I have FUN opening crown crates too. I am not being "ripped off" at all, as so many people seem to think I am lol.

I'm fine with opening MTG packs, because that is the only expenditure involved.

c0rp

JimT722 wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

All the gambling talk makes me think no one in here really gambles. You get 4 to 5 items every time you open a crate. That's not a gamble. This is more akin to buying a Magic: the Gathering booster pack and hoping for a rare card.

Gambling
Wagering of money on a game of chance or event with an uncertain outcome.

So yes, by definition it's gambling.

That's gambling as a term. Not the act of gambling what is being used in this context.

So you would say buying a collectible card game is gambling? Buying a mystery pack item at the store? Turning the crank on a quarter machine for a toy? All of that is gambling to you?

In a sense... yes. The outcome is uncertain. They were designed with that intent, and were part of why they were designed. A booster pack for a trading card game you know that you are getting random cards from the moment you start playing and accept that.

They changed this game fundamentally from earning things in game like it was at launch to shoveling money at it in hopes to get the cosmetics you desire for your character. It's gotten crazy. The most desired cosmetic items are behind rng walls tied directly to money. This is not why i started playing MMO's and I despise this practice.

And please don't use the words it's just cosmetics. In rpg's, a character appearance is just as important as functionality. That's part of the experience in an rpg, wether an mmo or not.

Well...that is just how games that are f2p or b2p work. When ESO failed at being a subscription MMO it's future was then determined to be a cosmetic cash shop money making game. That is what works. Zos needs to make money to make more content. Take Path of Exile for example. EVERY single cool cosmetic item or pet in the game is in the cash shop. You don't find anything that makes your toon look awesome in game. The game is hugely successful as well and the devs continue to pump out content for it.

Are there even any subscription only mmo's left besides WoW? lol

JKorr

ChaosWotan wrote: »

JKorr, for a hundred bucks you get enough crown gems to buy one apex mount. It costs 400 gems. This has also been discussed.

In general I agree that the crown crates is not a good model. It only makes sense to purchase an apex mount if you are already using thousand of dollars on computer equipment in order to get the best gaming experience. But that excludes the majority.

I have already used so much money on ESO that I want the majority to be as happy as possible, because that keeps the game alive. I will continue to buy crates in the future, if I see items I want to use crown gems on, but all in all I think it's best for the game if the crate store is either shut down or players have the option to buy an apex mount for 3-5 million ingame gold, similar to the housing system.

I think it depends on how many items you already have. You won't get gems for dups until you have the item first. If someone starts off without many of the items because they didn't like them and didn't buy them you'll need more crates before you get duplicates. :shrug: I only buy the items I like that I think will work with my characters. I'd need a lot of crates before I start getting duplicates of the hair/costumes/mounts/pets. The PTS test proved that for me.

PlaceboSoul

I know I'm certainly not saying it's not fun. Personally, my opposition to the crates is both the price of them, and the whole real money model in the first place.

I guess most of my disposition comes from playing, and enjoying the hell out of so many mmo that I just paid $10 or $15 per month and then was able to unlock everything in the game. All of these mmo (I know it's not just ZOS doing it) using these new models, it's just shameful practices. To lock all of the aesthetic items behind a paywall, it's just lame. Then to add gambling with minimal win percentages to it, again I disapprove. Also, ZOS is taking things to a bit too high of a level with greed; purchase game, sub, massive paywall store, now gambling too?

At least the majority of paywall mmo give you a method to earn the currency in game.

I would never say gambling isn't fun, I'm an avid online poker player. But with every gambling system, there is a hidden algorithm that dictates the risk/reward factor. I guess I personally see that factor being too high, and considering how ZOS originally had it on the pts, they are trying to get away with as much as they can. Purchasing things may be a personal choice, none of my business, however, the message ZOS receives when these crates are bought is that their practices are accepted, and this will only lead them to push even further.

That's my piece, peace.

MadLarkin

c0rp wrote: »

Well...that is just how games that are f2p or b2p work. When ESO failed at being a subscription MMO it's future was then determined to be a cosmetic cash shop money making game. That is what works. Zos needs to make money to make more content. Take Path of Exile for example. EVERY single cool cosmetic item or pet in the game is in the cash shop. You don't find anything that makes your toon look awesome in game. The game is hugely successful as well and the devs continue to pump out content for it.

Are there even any subscription only mmo's left besides WoW? lol

POE is basically the worst example you could have used, BECAUSE their pricing model is so fair. The entire game, including all content updates, is 100% free and only cosmetics and stash tabs are for sale. No XP boosters or anything like that. On the other hand, ESO has a base cost, paid DLC, subscription, expansions now, gambling crates, and the store has a laundry list of items beyond cosmetics like XP boosters.

So, thanks for making my point for me I guess.

ThePaleItalian

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

What if we don't want them gone?

I don't want them gone. But when storm crates landed Rawlka was like a war zone lit up from the animations.


I have seen one...one hunt guar and that's it so far now.

Drop rates were nerfed hard.

@ZOS_MattFiror any comment on the abysmal drop rates this "season" it's fairly evident in game that you have well and truly taken the *** this time. That labrador dog pet takes up 25% of the loot table by my results. 11 times lol.

Because they have been out 1 day and the fact that the majority of people are either in their houses, in PvP, or just didnt like the wild hunt mounts and don't want them?

You dropped this *hands you your tin foil hat*

You obviously can't read and have very little friends in game.

I can read quite well actually thank you. I have quite a few friends in game, please do not jump to childish insults the very first post. Wait at least until 3 for 4.

I am saying that after 1 day, saying that the drop rate was nerfed and calling out ZOS is asinine. I know quite of few people who just don't like the mounts or anything in the crates. The tin foil hat was a slight joke in your direction. I will play nicer next time.

PlaceboSoul

I think most of the people that are so against asking ZOS to try the sub model again (baffles me, as a sub model is infinitely better for the player), would be surprised at how many eso+ subscribers there are across all the platforms.

When the sub model was tried (and as many have said, failed) it was on PC only, with a lot fewer players. The numbers have changed immensely since then. Honestly, if the game went back to sub model, there are enough eso+ subs already to more than support the game. Then add in revenue from dlc, expansions, and the base game purchases, ZOS is doing just fine.

Also, there is much more word of mouth now than there was then, with a larger player base, and the game isn't new anymore, it's well known.