51 crown crates = zero apex rewards

Caff32

I got the same stupid dog six times and the aura three times out of 15 crates. The random doesn't seem so random this crown crate season

Knootewoot

I am not a fan of crown crates and gambling. It's sad to see no new costumes are added to the normal crownstore but instead old ones are being used in gamble crates.

That said, I did buy 4 crates for 1500 crowns because I thought what the heck.

1st crate, apex senche mount
2nd crate, blue baby dragon frog thing
3rd crate, poison doctor costume
4rd crate a puppy dog and some scout costume

Well I won't push my luck. I'll wait for next season to try another pack of crates.

mrfrontman

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

Maybe ZoS could doing a bothway system (Store & Ingame) or a system where u can transferring Gold into Crowns. There would be still people who pay for it, because they want them fast. Only a idea...

@PlaceboSoul
I understand your arguments but in a way it looks that u also do not know how the world turns. Zenimax is a Incorporated Company , so it's natural that their goal is profit (in best case high profit). When ESO doesn't make enough profit it will be abandoned. There is no way to run nowdays the game with only selling DLC's or Addons like in GW 1.

I think too that there should be also cosmetic stuff available ingame. I hope there will be a fair balance between Cosmetic stuff available Ingame/Store in future.

I know exactly how the world turns, I actually agree 100% with what you said. My issue isn't just the crown store, it's the fact ZOS keeps adding more money sinks to the game, real money sinks, beyond what they need to float the game. I agree they can't function on dlc and addons, but they don't, they have a monthly sub, it's not mandatory but it's there and there are a lot of people that have eso+. They sell the game, they sell the dlc, they now sell xpacs, AND they want to sell all of the aesthetics in a real money store and have real money gambling? It's just too much. That's where my issue lies. I do want ZOS to profit, and be successful with eso, I want them to pay their employees well and enjoy the fruits of their labors, but there is a point where being well fed turns to gluttony.

In the end, I just want the company that controls a game I love to be fair about it to the player, not even necessarily generous, just fair. Just like you just said too, I would just like to see some of that crown store loot available in game. There are a lot of games that use the in app purchase model, but a lot of them (I won't say most) also allow you to earn the currency for purchases in game. ZOS does not. There is one way to get crowns, and that's cash. Only one way to get aesthetics, and that is crowns. I just think the level of avarice is a bit too much. I realize this is how all companies run nowadays, but it's starting to seep deeper into gaming, and it is just abhorrent to me.

THIS!!!!

DeusExMachina wrote: »

I will never understand why people, of their own free will, overspend on things that have the potential to have little to no return, then feel the need to publicly complain about not getting exactly what they wanted in "x" amount of dollars as if it's somehow shocking.

If the community wants the crates gone, the community collectively will have to stop buying them, but that means taking responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, and I fear that is a dream far to lofty for the average MMO player nowadays.

You know, before hand that you are most likely gonna get screwed (they aren't effing gift boxes, they are rng crap boxes that we should all know by now are never ever skewed in the favor of the customer), don't act so pious and shocked when it happens. Or better yet, don't gamble if you cannot handle and/or afford losing it all.

AND THIS!!!

We need to work together if we want crown crates gone so we can buy cosmetics with straight crown purchases and in game farming

xaraan

My biggest complaint is that we should be able to trade in anything we get - whether we have it already or not - for CP gems, instead of having to accept crappy costumes nobody wanted to buy when they were available a year ago.

SydneyGrey

xaraan wrote: »

My biggest complaint is that we should be able to trade in anything we get - whether we have it already or not - for CP gems, instead of having to accept crappy costumes nobody wanted to buy when they were available a year ago.

I agree with your first sentence, but I like the costumes. I get a lot of enjoyment out of them (hats, too). I know not everyone likes them as much as I do.

willlienellson

I just want F'ing RNG out of all aspects of the game.

I don't care if a mount costs $100. I don't care if you have to do a dungeon 100 times to collect enough tokens for a set.

We have RNG in loot drops.
We have RNG in our skills (20% chance to dodge)
We have RNG in the store now.

ENOUGH FARKING RNG!!!

Integral1900

My goodness, who would have thought that gambling while totally blind to the odds (because ZOS doesn't release them) could be a frustrating and enraging experience. Well done, you just got suckered

SydneyGrey

Integral1900 wrote: »

My goodness, who would have thought that gambling while totally blind to the odds (because ZOS doesn't release them) could be a frustrating and enraging experience. Well done, you just got suckered

Not at all. It's not being suckered if you know what you're getting yourself into.

Tasear

I know what your thinking, just pixels, but I am sure emotions are real as one would doing same elsewhere. Sure model could be better ...Let people trade same level awards, but it's not a bad deal.

Assuming they are well designed and offer a far amount of similar quality items in the store then I see them as be somewhat okay. All things considered, it brings people happiness. I just wouldn't go in there thinking you get best and your favorite item in the machine.

DRXHarbinger

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

BuddyAces

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

Yeah seems a bit strange because I got that dog also several times and it doesn't sound like we were the only ones.

DRXHarbinger

BuddyAces wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

Yeah seems a bit strange because I got that dog also several times and it doesn't sound like we were the only ones.

The spreadsheet will tell hopefully. But I know so many people that landed that crap.

Lord_Eomer

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Used about $100 on the new crown crates, and basically got nothing. Only two non-apex mounts. Last time I got 3 apex mounts from the same numbers of crates, and several non-apex mounts. I know this is a gamble, and don't mind supporting ESO in any case, but a bit curious if the RNG is worse this time.

Still got enough crown gems to buy one apex mounts. I knew I would get enough gems to buy one such mount, so took this into consideration before playing the cards.

I am sure you have spent crowns but may have bought them during crown sales,

I got Senchie on my 41 crate!

Darkstorne

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

And yet this forum was littered with similar posts after Storm Crates. It was even littered with them before as well...

"No way, ZOS! I've seen how bad Crates are on the PTS. I'll never pay for such awful odds like this!"

"Okay, so I bought some Storm crates just to see what they were like after all. $100 and no apex! Had to use gems to get it! Never again! PAWS!"

"Right, well, yeah, I DID IT AGAIN. ****. $100 to finally buy the apex I wanted with gems. But that's it this time. Really. I won't be suckered in again next time! I've learned my lesson this time for reals! PAWS! PAAAAAAAWS!"

I get it, the apex mounts look amazing, but they're just mounts. What will you do when you have one? Ride around town hoping everyone swoons at your feet? They'll probably all ignore you, and you're left with a $100 mount that handles exactly like all your other mounts. If that's worth the price to you, then great, I hope it makes you happy. If not, then STOP DOING THIS TO YOURSELF. The Sabre Cat mount is being sold on the store this month, and there's at least one more black sabre cat variety, and a black elk, still to come. Awesome mounts at (hopefully) fair prices.

Tasear wrote: »

I know what your thinking, just pixels, but I am sure emotions are real as one would doing same elsewhere. Sure model could be better ...Let people trade same level awards, but it's not a bad deal.

Assuming they are well designed and offer a far amount of similar quality items in the store then I see them as be somewhat okay. All things considered, it brings people happiness. I just wouldn't go in there thinking you get best and your favorite item in the machine.

It brings some people happiness, when they get lucky. This very thread is filled with the unlucky who had to spend over $100 on these gambling packs to be able to buy the mount they wanted with gems, and they're clearly pissed. ZOS knew this would happen, and they've now seen it happen with two packs in a row. They're okay with it, because they're getting rich off of their customer's misfortune. If that doesn't scream ****ty business practice to you...

AlMcFly

BuddyAces wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

Yeah seems a bit strange because I got that dog also several times and it doesn't sound like we were the only ones.

I only got the dog once. Got Wild Hunt Wolf mount on 7th Crate. RNG is RNG. People who gamble, then complain about not winning, are just children whining, blaming the world for their own faults.

theher0not

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Do gems from the last round carry over?

Yes.

Titansteele

ZOS_BillE wrote: »

Greetings,

A few posts have been removed from this thread for baiting and flaming. Please keep the conversation civil and constructive going forward.

That may be easier said than done, the essence of this thread is a gambler went to Vegas and lost. Gambler is mad/sad/anxious about this. People around him/her have differing views, some say it is the Gamblers fault, others blame the organisation (in this instance it is ZOS). Sorry ZO$, this time I have no sympathy for you, if you create a gambling environment you need to deal with the ugly side of it.

Duiwel

StrawberryKitsune

BuddyAces wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

Yeah seems a bit strange because I got that dog also several times and it doesn't sound like we were the only ones.

Same here. I already had the dog from waaaay back when it was first available so i was already at a somewhat disadvantage there but I must have gotten that about 7 times over 30 crates and that damn ugly banekin about 7-8 times. I wouldn't be so narked if this hadn't happened. I knew what i was getting into but i find this situation is taking the absolute ****. Random chance they say? Random my backside!

DRXHarbinger

StrawberryKitsune wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Right here I go.

11k crowns bought.

0 apex. Got the black senche.

Didn't get the moth.

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

Never again. ZOS. Never ever again. You take the ***. From speaking to to a huge number of people in a 500 strong active guild last night the storm crates had far far better drop rates and we all agreed that this time you have taken the *** and nerfed it. Never again. PAWS!

Yeah seems a bit strange because I got that dog also several times and it doesn't sound like we were the only ones.

Same here. I already had the dog from waaaay back when it was first available so i was already at a somewhat disadvantage there but I must have gotten that about 7 times over 30 crates and that damn ugly banekin about 7-8 times. I wouldn't be so narked if this hadn't happened. I knew what i was getting into but i find this situation is taking the absolute ****. Random chance they say? Random my backside!

I went crying to Microsoft this morning over it. That dog took the ***. I actually recorded the whole process and how many times it landed. Shouldn't be like that. Never even had that many items in a row in vma or a trial. Absolute *** loot weighting.


Microsoft refunded me. Never again. Lesson learned. Go EU consumer protection.

method__01

got the dog 6-7 times,will ask for a refund also

Blazedont

Its just luck you know you can get this stuff out of it . I got it with one box dont start something you know you cant get it it happens our not. *** happens

d0e1ow

Capitalism really is a racket for some people. ZOS pays their workers probably not a large wage to make these little mounts that they can then reproduce endlessly because the mounts are nothing but bits of computer code, so the production cost/time/investment past the initial programming/coding is literally zero. They sell these reproductions endlessly in the form of "limited time only" gamble boxes to artificially inflate supply/demand, in other words, instead of the market naturally dictating this it is manipulated via the means of acquisition being random and the production value of the item being zero on the side of the capitalist (ZOS).

At the end of the day they make an absolute funny farm's worth of money while the working class people who play this game (probably the vast majority) who spent money on the crates get buyer's remorse in a big way.

Damn, son. Incredible. Life must be great when you own capital and private property.

Prof_Bawbag

I'm glad I've given this round of crates a wide berth. Rather than get more people onside, it seems they're determined to fill their pockets more and to hell with the user base. It's the same with race specific items. They simply should not be in there due to the stakes being placed. I mean, a hair style is 99.999999999999% useless, but at least it has some usefulness. Give someone a Khajiit hair style it then becomes 100% useless and unusable to those not wishing to have a Khajiit. Remove the racial restrictions when gambling is involved because everything should be usable to all races.

Knootewoot

Darkstorne wrote: »

The Sabre Cat mount is being sold on the store this month, and there's at least one more black sabre cat variety, and a black elk, still to come. Awesome mounts at (hopefully) fair prices.

The last time the Elk was 4000 or 4500 crowns? I doubt the new ones will be prices fair. I remember buying the shriven horse for 2500 (which I also found steep back then but fitted my vampire)

SlaaneshiHorror

I bought 30 crates and got four different apex mounts. I got crazy lucky. Now I have a Wild Hunt Guar, Senche, Wolf and Bear to play with. And all I wanted was the Toxin Doctor outfit. Which I also got. Even pulled the Doom Wolf and the Black Senche mounts. I won't be buying anymore, so I definitely feel like I came out on top.

SydneyGrey

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Got that stupid *** Bravil dog 11 times. 7 tines back to back. Rigged much.

I got the Bravil dog 6 times. The only other pets I got were the Banekin 4 times, and the ancestor moth and the baby panther each once. Yeah ... that doesn't make me thrilled and excited to buy any more crates knowing I'll just get those stupid Bravil dog and Banekins again and again, since it's obviously weighted toward those. In another thread I saw that someone else had also gotten the Bravil dog 6 times.

I did get a lot of costumes and hats that I want, though, and the guar mount, and I got enough gems to be able to get the panther mount and one of the apex mounts with them. No regrets.

*Oh, I forgot, I also got the blue dragon-frog, too, which I love because it's one of the pets I wanted the most, along with the ancestor moths.

SydneyGrey

d0e1ow wrote: »

the mounts are nothing but bits of computer code

LOL. I said something like this on another thread, and was promptly attacked for it.

Winchester1306

They released the Wild Hunt crates at just the right time, since everything in them support the fantasy of a warden/druid perfectly. And, sadly I am a druid lover - my ideal fantasy class to play in any given game. So with the idea of my future warden/druid in mind, I succumbed and bought 15 crates. I first wanted to get 30 since the last time I bought 15 with the Storm Crates I received nothing of note. But, I curbed my gluttony and went with 15 first. Luckily it paid off in my favour, and I received two Apex Wild mounts (Horse and Bear), the Black Wolf mount, and the two costumes I wanted (The druid robes with the herbs and potions and stuff, and the raven doctor apothecary one). Guess RNG was just feeling favourable for once. But I am sorry to hear about the pathetic drop rates for majority of people - seems the chances have over-all been made lower.

ChaosWotan

One problem with this forum is that several people seem to just jump into a debate, without reading the whole thread and not seeing what others have actually written before them.

I'm not complaining about the crown crates. I did that initially in a thread I started when the crates were introduced the first time. In the title of that thread I called ESO a "hooker", which the mods quickly censored ofc. But I wrote that thread before I realised that one can buy an apex mount from the crown gems one gets. I therefore wrote in that earlier thread that I changed my mind and now had a more positive view. I still have the same view today.

Using money on crown crates is the same as spending money on a hobby, and this comparison is valid because the crown crates are only 50 % gambling. But this presupposes that you only spend a hundred dollars on it if you are happy with paying $100 for 400 crown gems which can be used to buy one apex mount. If you are not willing to pay a hundred bucks for one apex mount, then never buy a crown crate. Because the chance of losing the gamble is a real risk, and people should be aware of that.

Now, all those who are not interested enough in ESO and high-end gaming in general will obviously feel that it's a total waste of money to pay $100 for some "nice pixels on a screen". And that view is all fine and good. But it's not the only view out there.

When we buy things that are not necessities (and not economic investment objects) we basically do it because these things trigger dopamine in us. We are buying a dopamine experience, no matter whether the thing we buy is material, like a Ferrari, or a short Zero Gravity experience during a parabolic flight, which costs like $5000.

Dopamine is triggered by different things in different people. In one way I can never really understand why anybody wants to work very hard to get a Ferrari (unless they see it as an investment object), because driving that car will never trigger enough dopamine in me. But if such a car is enough to get you high on a more or less regular basis, then I understand why some people feel that the dopamine/payment ratio is worth it.

Do that which makes you happy, that which triggers dopamine in you. If others don't understand why some thing or experience makes you happy, it only means that they have a different neurological system. It's neurodiversity.

However, I think it will be best for the game if ESO let players buy the apex mounts for ingame gold, in the same way one can choose between using real money or ESO gold to buy a house in the game. Let it cost like 3 or 5 million gold, or less perhaps, to buy an apex mount.