We need a true auction house. With auction only and NO buyout.

Potenza

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So the reason why most guilds can't have a vendor NPC is... because there are too little trading guilds "places" (aka kiosks) ?
If so, then why just not to make those vendor NPC to be available for more than one guild at the time ?

From a buyer point of view all I am interested is the availability of stuff I want to buy and its price. The LAST thing that interest me is the name of the trading guild that currently owns the spot / vendor NPC.

They're also needs to be some centralized market hub as well per zone cause it really is stupid to travel to a single vendor not knowing if something sold or not or if its even there anymore.

I agree with a centralized market hub. Put all the vendors in one area, a trading zone if you will, and all trading can be conducted there. The trade guilds will still have to buy a kiosk, which would give them an even higher value, and players get to go "shopping at the mall". Why not have a mall - we do have houses after all.

AlnilamE

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

5) You can Trade via Chat - however most MMORPGs implemented systems to make that obsolete over a decade ago.

Black Desert has a central AH and no direct player to player trading and people STILL WTS/WTB over chat all the time.

idk

Skritha wrote: »

There is a huge amount of trade spam in chat at Wayrest now. Some nights it's almost impossible to follow a non-trade conversation because of the offers scrolling by. It wasn't like that during my last spurt of playing ESO.

This seems to indicate there is a group of people who want to trade, but for whatever reason the trade guild system just does not work for them.

I'm not sure if an AH is the answer, but something has to be done.

@Skritha

Trade chat spam is a staple of any MMO with text chat.

Some want a faster sale without losing a % from going through a kiosks.

Others are scamming and trying to sell items much higher than the going rate.

No trade system will alleviate that chat.

SpazzmanNDQ

grumlins wrote: »

Actually no you don't I have tons of sets of armor pieces I've acquired simply from visiting towns with guild vendors. They have everything you need usually and if you don't like the price in one you go to another until you find what you are looking for.

The only problem with this is that the map is so big that you can't possibly check every trader every time you buy something so you can get your item for the best price. I don't think we need an Auction House but maybe an add on or feature(for console players like myself) that let you know item x is being sold cheaper in Glenumbra.

With one tamriel being a thing that means all the traders are now available and it would take too much time trying to check them all for the beat deal.

idk

Scaena wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Scaena wrote: »

Once again you seem to be selectively leaving out important information.

1) There are multiple servers (ex. NA-PC, EU-PC, Xbox-NA, etc) so the absolute max you like to keep going on about is much higher than the 85.5k you list. Going by your math, about 60% of the game pop can be a Trader. 6x servers times 85,500 / 855,500 total game pop.

2) Most Players aren't interested in Trading as evidenced by the fact that most Trading Guilds will auto-accept everyone who applies. In your scenario, every Trade Guild would have a waitlist and players would have to wait weeks to join because the spots are so limited and there's so many players

3) People play for different reasons (ex. PvP, PvE, RP, etc). Just like how many have never set foot in Cyrodiil or in a Trial run, many will never be interested in joining a Trading Guilds. That's just how games work.

It makes zero sense for me to say 90%+ of players haven't done a campaign in Cyrodiil so we need to completely re-vamp Cyrodiil and kill the old system since obviously the majority of players don't like it! Just look at the performance! Only X amount of players could possibly be participating in this campaign!

4) Every Guild with 50+ members has its own Guild Store so players can still list their items for sale, it just will be limited to the 500 members in that guild.

5) You can trade player to player, which so many people do. People say WTS Tempering Alloy for 9k each in zone and then make a sale that way without the guild store tax

6) Guild Traders change every week so the Guilds who have a Trader rotate in and out. A guild with a trader can lose it one week and get it back the next. So new guilds can open their store to the general populace. It's a revolving door and a competition.

1) Conceded - my error: 2 Regions, 3 Platforms - that multiplies the percentage of the playerbase that has access to Trade by 6 - but as it was as low as 1% anyway that it hardly sufficient, is it. Even at best case scenario it is only 60% of the playerbase - still not good enough.

2) In all the time I have played ESO the single biggest barrier as to why people don't want to trade is the dysfunctional trade system. Most Trade Guilds don't have a waiting list because they require either a weekly "donation", a mandatory weekly raffle, or a minimum weekly trade contribution.

3) Cyrodiil reinforces my opinion - so few people engage in PvP in ESO because it just isn't that good. However, like the Trade Kiosks, the Alliance PvP is a brilliant idea - just very, very poorly implemented.

4) That is still not even close to comparable to being able to trade with the entire Region/Platform playerbase.

5) You can Trade via Chat - however most MMORPGs implemented systems to make that obsolete over a decade ago.

6) Doesn't matter. If there are a fixed number of Trade Slots (and there are) then every week a very significant number of players are deliberately and willfully denied access to content that have paid for.

And for the record I DON'T want an AH.

I want better access to a more functional trade system for ALL players - and I genuinely do not mind how that is achieved.

All The Best

1) I consider 60% easily good enough (even though we have no idea of the actual number of players) because not every player is interested in trade, maybe not even most. A lot of people play ESO as if it was single player.

2) Where do you get MOST Trade Guilds have weekly minimums? Only the top trading guilds have those. Most just say make a sale each week and log in. Only the top guilds gets to be picky. Most Trader Guilds are just happy to get some taxes from your sales. Top Trading Hubs like Rawl or Elden Root are not representative of all 171 Trader Stalls. I'm pretty sure most guild have no such minimums and as I said before as long as you make sure to actually sell something, you are good.

I know for my guild at least that its usually 185ish members who actually support the guild's bidding financially (ex. raffles) as its not mandatory to donate. As long as they sell well they are good.

3) As I said before Cyrodiil isn't my cup of tea but lots of players like it. I don't really have enough knowledge here to know whether Cyrodiil actually needs a major overhaul/change, I leave that to the PvPers who have the experience.

4) We are talking about Trade and you saying most players cant participate due to the Trader Stalls. I was just saying they can easily participate and I did mention it was limited. Also by the way the Trader Stalls only give you so much reach. My Guild For example gets about ~3000 outside buyers per week through their Stall in the Top Trading Hub. So 6 times as many as the default 500. Enough to justify the cost of bids but not anywhere close to the 10s of thousands or hundreds of thousands of players playing ESO.

5) Trade via chat is never obsolete, you can get some of the best deals that way. Also due to the tax system, there are benefits through direct Trade especially since you have the chance to NEGOTIATE. You can't bargain with a guild store but you can with another player.

6) Denied access? for what they paid for? What are you smoking? It's like saying why can't everyone be Emperor?! They paid for the game! It's called competition!

PvP has competition, PvE has competition and so does Trade. Trade Wars between Guilds while stressful and tense make the game more interesting. Traders have to work together to support their guild if they want to take their trading to the next level. It's all about good fun and making gold.

Agree

Unfortunately @Gandrhulf_Harbard is spouting numbers he cannot back up because he lacks the data and makes a lot of assumptions based on the false information.

Previously in this thread he claimed 90% were left out with the current system

I respect differing opinions. I do not respect false information.

DaveMoeDee

Scaena wrote: »

It's always interesting to see people want to destroy an aspect of the game that is very much loved by Traders.
...

No matter the system, there would be some people who like it and optimize their use of it. That doesn't make a system reasonable. With a different system, there would be different traders or possibly the same.

If there weren't trading guilds, people would just join other guilds, like I did at launch pre trading guilds.

I am not pushing for any changes, but I hate the current system. I hate searching for items by visiting every kiosk (which I have done twice and I'm not sure I would do again since they keep adding more. I also can't stay in a trading guild because I am now often unable to play for weeks at a time. I could log on, but I wouldn't have anything to sell. Then when I do play, I have an inventory full of stuff I'd like to sell.

When I was in a trading guild, it was a spam fest, with messages about silly raffles I was never going to join. I made good money though and things sold quick in my good guild. My other guilds with guild traders couldn't get the same high prices. While I like some aspects of having people seek out the better guilds to join to move more volume, it is a horrible system when you are on erratically due to life being busy. I prefer ebay where I can post a lot of stuff one week and do nothing for months without losing my ability to sell when I have time.

Cpt_Teemo

Callous2208 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Skritha wrote: »

There is a huge amount of trade spam in chat at Wayrest now. Some nights it's almost impossible to follow a non-trade conversation because of the offers scrolling by. It wasn't like that during my last spurt of playing ESO.

This seems to indicate there is a group of people who want to trade, but for whatever reason the trade guild system just does not work for them.

I'm not sure if an AH is the answer, but something has to be done.

Centralized server AH's cut spam so much imo, even though WoW still gets spammed quite a bit in trade its no where even close to nudge the spam from BDO or any other game. Also WoW is the most populated MMO currently as well so got to take that into perspective as well.

So you're saying that global AH cuts spam but actually doesn't?

It cuts alot of spam I never said all of it, and I also said WoW is the most populated MMO to date and that's why its trade chat is still spamming every day also not really just about selling items but random chat as well 90% of the time.

DaveMoeDee

SpazzmanNDQ wrote: »

grumlins wrote: »

Actually no you don't I have tons of sets of armor pieces I've acquired simply from visiting towns with guild vendors. They have everything you need usually and if you don't like the price in one you go to another until you find what you are looking for.

The only problem with this is that the map is so big that you can't possibly check every trader every time you buy something so you can get your item for the best price. I don't think we need an Auction House but maybe an add on or feature(for console players like myself) that let you know item x is being sold cheaper in Glenumbra.

With one tamriel being a thing that means all the traders are now available and it would take too much time trying to check them all for the beat deal.

So you are saying the information should be vague and imprecise?

A global search that is exact would make the kiosk idea a bit pointless. Location would barely matter apart from being close to a wayshrine.

R1ckyDaMan

No,that type of auction only favors the seller.

Callous2208

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Skritha wrote: »

There is a huge amount of trade spam in chat at Wayrest now. Some nights it's almost impossible to follow a non-trade conversation because of the offers scrolling by. It wasn't like that during my last spurt of playing ESO.

This seems to indicate there is a group of people who want to trade, but for whatever reason the trade guild system just does not work for them.

I'm not sure if an AH is the answer, but something has to be done.

Centralized server AH's cut spam so much imo, even though WoW still gets spammed quite a bit in trade its no where even close to nudge the spam from BDO or any other game. Also WoW is the most populated MMO currently as well so got to take that into perspective as well.

So you're saying that global AH cuts spam but actually doesn't?

It cuts alot of spam I never said all of it, and I also said WoW is the most populated MMO to date and that's why its trade chat is still spamming every day also not really just about selling items but random chat as well 90% of the time.

So spam chat trading has more to do with the games popularity and overall playerbase than it does its economic systems. Agreed.

Lynx7386

I played wow from launch for 4 years. I think I may have bid on a no buyout auction like once.

When you go to get an item you need, you don't want to have your gold hanging in limbo with no guarantee that you'll even get the item.

DMuehlhausen

I use to come to these posts to see if somebody had good ideas to improve the system. Anymore it's more enjoyable to see how far down it takes before somebody uses the Dead Horse Gif lol

Avidspark

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Long live the guild traders.

c0rp

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

And ESO is one of the most successful current MMOs and it's WITHOUT a global AH. Makes you think huh?

If you think the success of ESO is in any way comparable to the success of WoW then I suggest we are using a very different frame of reference.

WoW has more subscribes, and has had no need to go F2P.

ESO is a very good game, I'll give you that, but it could be so much than just "very good" if a bit more thought and integrity was put into a few of the subsystems - Trading being one them.

All The Best

The success of WOW has absolutely *** NOTHING to do with the AH. And yes, ESO is currently a successful MMO just as WOW and several others are.

Cpt_Teemo

Callous2208 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Skritha wrote: »

There is a huge amount of trade spam in chat at Wayrest now. Some nights it's almost impossible to follow a non-trade conversation because of the offers scrolling by. It wasn't like that during my last spurt of playing ESO.

This seems to indicate there is a group of people who want to trade, but for whatever reason the trade guild system just does not work for them.

I'm not sure if an AH is the answer, but something has to be done.

Centralized server AH's cut spam so much imo, even though WoW still gets spammed quite a bit in trade its no where even close to nudge the spam from BDO or any other game. Also WoW is the most populated MMO currently as well so got to take that into perspective as well.

So you're saying that global AH cuts spam but actually doesn't?

It cuts alot of spam I never said all of it, and I also said WoW is the most populated MMO to date and that's why its trade chat is still spamming every day also not really just about selling items but random chat as well 90% of the time.

So spam chat trading has more to do with the games popularity and overall playerbase than it does its economic systems. Agreed.

no spam trading just proves how fail of a trade system the game has

c0rp

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Skritha wrote: »

There is a huge amount of trade spam in chat at Wayrest now. Some nights it's almost impossible to follow a non-trade conversation because of the offers scrolling by. It wasn't like that during my last spurt of playing ESO.

This seems to indicate there is a group of people who want to trade, but for whatever reason the trade guild system just does not work for them.

I'm not sure if an AH is the answer, but something has to be done.

Centralized server AH's cut spam so much imo, even though WoW still gets spammed quite a bit in trade its no where even close to nudge the spam from BDO or any other game. Also WoW is the most populated MMO currently as well so got to take that into perspective as well.

So you're saying that global AH cuts spam but actually doesn't?

It cuts alot of spam I never said all of it, and I also said WoW is the most populated MMO to date and that's why its trade chat is still spamming every day also not really just about selling items but random chat as well 90% of the time.

You realize how many wow servers there are? You keep saying "wow is the most populated mmo blah blah blah" when it doesn't matter because less people are logged onto a single WOW server than an ESO mega server.

THUS...when you make statements like, "WoW is the most populated MMO to date and that's why its trade chat is still spamming every day", it just reinforces the fact that even WITH a central AH and LESS population in comparison there is STILL a *** ton of trade chat spam.

bryanhaas

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Consider this:

One central auction house where you can buy/view the goods, but you need to go pick it up at the guild traders where ever they are.

Or my idea seemed pretty nice as well having centralized marketers in the main hub in each zone that pools all the info from all the guilds in that zone into one area with the multiple marketers (including the ones in the thieves area).

Or just enable us to use something like master merchant on console. Maybe not on console itself but an app on a phone tablet or computer that can do a search and find prices and items in all the traders. All ZoS needs to do is make the items in traders view able outside the game and someone could make the app.

Problem solved, mostly. Still say there should be up to 5 guilds per each trader to deal with population.

Callous2208

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Skritha wrote: »

There is a huge amount of trade spam in chat at Wayrest now. Some nights it's almost impossible to follow a non-trade conversation because of the offers scrolling by. It wasn't like that during my last spurt of playing ESO.

This seems to indicate there is a group of people who want to trade, but for whatever reason the trade guild system just does not work for them.

I'm not sure if an AH is the answer, but something has to be done.

Centralized server AH's cut spam so much imo, even though WoW still gets spammed quite a bit in trade its no where even close to nudge the spam from BDO or any other game. Also WoW is the most populated MMO currently as well so got to take that into perspective as well.

So you're saying that global AH cuts spam but actually doesn't?

It cuts alot of spam I never said all of it, and I also said WoW is the most populated MMO to date and that's why its trade chat is still spamming every day also not really just about selling items but random chat as well 90% of the time.

So spam chat trading has more to do with the games popularity and overall playerbase than it does its economic systems. Agreed.

no spam trading just proves how fail of a trade system the game has

And spam chat trading in WoW proves what a fail of a trade system that game has? Brother, you're talking in circles and I almost feel bad having to keep pointing this out with humorous questions.

Skritha

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Skritha wrote: »

There is a huge amount of trade spam in chat at Wayrest now. Some nights it's almost impossible to follow a non-trade conversation because of the offers scrolling by. It wasn't like that during my last spurt of playing ESO.

This seems to indicate there is a group of people who want to trade, but for whatever reason the trade guild system just does not work for them.

I'm not sure if an AH is the answer, but something has to be done.

@Skritha

Trade chat spam is a staple of any MMO with text chat.

Some want a faster sale without losing a % from going through a kiosks.

Others are scamming and trying to sell items much higher than the going rate.

No trade system will alleviate that chat.

For the record, having to trade on an AH is one of my least favourite parts of any game that has one. I find it is one of those features that is more a chore than a fun event. Everyone differs on what they like/dislike in MMORPGs, and some people love just playing the AH, but not me.

Having to run around the entire game to check various guild traders also sucks. However, overall it sucks less than an AH from my point of view. Why? Because with guild traders being such a trouble to get to it just makes it easier to opt out of the economy and not suffer that much. But in games with an AH, everything revolves around the AH, and you have to play it.

If there was a step in between guild traders and AH, which still had arbitrage and was a little easier to use then guild traders for buyers and sellers, that might be good.

Personally an older school system with personal shops (somehow free of clutter and spam) would probably suit me best. That way I could form a relationship with a trader whom I could sell my loot from adventuring, whom I could trust to give me a fair price, and could maybe track down goods that I wanted to buy.

I doubt we'll get that in ESO though. The ship has really sailed on that playstyle, at least in mainstream games.

alexkdd99

t3hdubzy wrote: »

The only thing i want is to not spend an hour shopping for certain pieces. I did not buy eso to be a professional shopper.

People play different games for different reasons. Some people play eso to be a "professional shopper" as you say.

People say the system is the worst and is broken, but all those are just opinions. And it is my opinion the system is just fine, and apparently it is ZOS opinion as well (thank goodness).

Callous2208

alexkdd99 wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

The only thing i want is to not spend an hour shopping for certain pieces. I did not buy eso to be a professional shopper.

People play different games for different reasons. Some people play eso to be a "professional shopper" as you say.

People say the system is the worst and is broken, but all those are just opinions. And it is my opinion the system is just fine, and apparently it is ZOS opinion as well (thank goodness).

That's a point that often gets missed. For every gamer that just hates this system and "knows" for a fact that it's the worst, there are a few guys like me and you who enjoy it. Are our opinions on this invalid when that's the system ZOS chose to go with? Furthermore, why are we stupid and selfish for enjoying and benefitting from said system? I've played a million games with an AH, never liked it. Why must the system in place change for those who can't adapt, or won't? I'm not one of these mythical trade guild Barron's you folks speak of to scare the new folks to your side, just get what I put in.

AlnilamE

Sylo78 wrote: »

So if a guild only has a guild store, items listed by its members can only be seen and bough... by its members? New to the game( 4 days ) and was surprised that there was no central type AH, but have been trying to learn the guild trading aspect.

If a guild has 50 members or more, that unlocks the Guild Store feature. If they don't have a trader, then those items can only be seen/bought by other guild members (unless the guild owns a keep/resource in Cyrodiil, in which case the store is exposed to the public).

Each guild that has a store has the option of placing a blind bid on ONE trader each week. On Sunday evenings, the game checks the highest bid on each trader and the winning guild gets that trader for the week. Any losing guild that bid on that trader will have their money refunded directly to the guild bank.

Any trader that has not had a bid on them will be available for "hire" by any guild with a store for a fee of 10k gold, on a first-come, first-served basis.

There are guild traders in the major city in each zone, as well as 2 in "out of town" locations and one in the Outlaw Refuge in that zone.

It pays to shop around.

SunfireKnight86

/thread

Disagree. It would make this game milquetoast as hell.

Sinthrax

I am fine the way it is.

Wizzo91

Callous2208 wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Global AH'S are a garbage item dump for people not interested in actually trading/money making in mmos. No effort/no reward system. Buyers in a global AH system will find no deals on anything worthwhile, unless buying garbage mats and items they already have. Rare or important commodities will remain through the roof in pricing. I enjoy making money with the system eso has implemented as it rewards the time and effort I put in. Both as a buyer and a seller. If I ever grow tired of it, I'll just pop a quick "wts" in zone chat of a major city and offload my quick sellers.

The vast majority does not play MMOs to trade/make money. It is a necessity to most.

Why do you think the most successful MMOs for years had global AH? It is the best and transparent version to buy/sell commodities.

Rare/Very valuable items are always mostly sold via zone or chat. That's how it works.

I agree. Rare and valuable items are mostly sold through zone chat. Eso is no different so what's the issue? Also, your other statement is meaningless. If people don't play mmos to trade and make money, why would those successful mmos having an auction house have anything to do with their success?

@Callous2208

Learn to read. Kek.

It is a necessity. It should not be overcomplicated (like it is in ESO). A global AH reduces the wasted time you spend with the current systems, so you can actually play the game If you really do enjoy trading there are better games OR THE REAL WORLD for you.

Tandor

c0rp wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Scaena wrote: »

77? There's 171 by my count, more than double the 77 you listed. Also would love to see where you got the 90%+ who can't.

OK' let's say that there are 171.

Each guild can have 1 Kiosk, and 500 Members. That's 85,500 MAXIMUM Traders in the game.

So at a total game Population of just 855,000 Player 90% will NEVER have access to a Trader.

And that assume no player is in more than one trade account.

All The Best

Will you stop with your 90% of population is excluded from trading? The statement is completely false. Your trade guild is not required to own a kiosk in order for you to list items and sell them. Nor is trading in /zone required upon being in a guild at all ffs. The kiosks work for all the reasons they are supposed to. It is never going to change and these threads are pointless and a waste of space.

AND..on top of all that...it's easy as *** to get into ANY of the top trade guilds. They boot and kick out inactives every single day and bring in fresh meat. You would know that if you ever made an attempt to be in one. It takes about 2 minutes worth of time to get in, or get on a waiting list and get in within a couple days at most.

Oh sure, I can get in easily enough - and then get kicked out again because I'm not selling enough and they're only interested in fresh meat.

And that's supposed to be your defence of the present system?

hamgatan

Tandor wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Scaena wrote: »

77? There's 171 by my count, more than double the 77 you listed. Also would love to see where you got the 90%+ who can't.

OK' let's say that there are 171.

Each guild can have 1 Kiosk, and 500 Members. That's 85,500 MAXIMUM Traders in the game.

So at a total game Population of just 855,000 Player 90% will NEVER have access to a Trader.

And that assume no player is in more than one trade account.

All The Best

Will you stop with your 90% of population is excluded from trading? The statement is completely false. Your trade guild is not required to own a kiosk in order for you to list items and sell them. Nor is trading in /zone required upon being in a guild at all ffs. The kiosks work for all the reasons they are supposed to. It is never going to change and these threads are pointless and a waste of space.

AND..on top of all that...it's easy as *** to get into ANY of the top trade guilds. They boot and kick out inactives every single day and bring in fresh meat. You would know that if you ever made an attempt to be in one. It takes about 2 minutes worth of time to get in, or get on a waiting list and get in within a couple days at most.

Oh sure, I can get in easily enough - and then get kicked out again because I'm not selling enough and they're only interested in fresh meat.

And that's supposed to be your defence of the present system?

Nearly all the major trading guilds have some form of kick immunity.. be it 3000-5000 gold a week if you dont make sales quota. Anyone could grind that much gold in ten minutes with their eyes closed. Its not an excuse.

Tandor

hamgatan wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Scaena wrote: »

77? There's 171 by my count, more than double the 77 you listed. Also would love to see where you got the 90%+ who can't.

OK' let's say that there are 171.

Each guild can have 1 Kiosk, and 500 Members. That's 85,500 MAXIMUM Traders in the game.

So at a total game Population of just 855,000 Player 90% will NEVER have access to a Trader.

And that assume no player is in more than one trade account.

All The Best

Will you stop with your 90% of population is excluded from trading? The statement is completely false. Your trade guild is not required to own a kiosk in order for you to list items and sell them. Nor is trading in /zone required upon being in a guild at all ffs. The kiosks work for all the reasons they are supposed to. It is never going to change and these threads are pointless and a waste of space.

AND..on top of all that...it's easy as *** to get into ANY of the top trade guilds. They boot and kick out inactives every single day and bring in fresh meat. You would know that if you ever made an attempt to be in one. It takes about 2 minutes worth of time to get in, or get on a waiting list and get in within a couple days at most.

Oh sure, I can get in easily enough - and then get kicked out again because I'm not selling enough and they're only interested in fresh meat.

And that's supposed to be your defence of the present system?

Nearly all the major trading guilds have some form of kick immunity.. be it 3000-5000 gold a week if you dont make sales quota. Anyone could grind that much gold in ten minutes with their eyes closed. Its not an excuse.

Any experienced player who's into grinding, farming, and trading, perhaps. But not the average casual, semi-casual, or relatively new/low level player who still wants to participate in a trading system. Of course the present system is fine for the serious traders, that's why they keep defending it, but let's not underestimate the number of players who it excludes. Whether or not it's the 90% of players being talked about here is really neither here nor there, by any calculation of the number of kiosks and therefore successful guilds at any one time, the number of players in more than one of those guilds, and the comparison between those figures and the size of the playerbase, it's pretty obvious that an awful lot of players are excluded from the present system.

hamgatan

Tandor wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Scaena wrote: »

77? There's 171 by my count, more than double the 77 you listed. Also would love to see where you got the 90%+ who can't.

OK' let's say that there are 171.

Each guild can have 1 Kiosk, and 500 Members. That's 85,500 MAXIMUM Traders in the game.

So at a total game Population of just 855,000 Player 90% will NEVER have access to a Trader.

And that assume no player is in more than one trade account.

All The Best

Will you stop with your 90% of population is excluded from trading? The statement is completely false. Your trade guild is not required to own a kiosk in order for you to list items and sell them. Nor is trading in /zone required upon being in a guild at all ffs. The kiosks work for all the reasons they are supposed to. It is never going to change and these threads are pointless and a waste of space.

AND..on top of all that...it's easy as *** to get into ANY of the top trade guilds. They boot and kick out inactives every single day and bring in fresh meat. You would know that if you ever made an attempt to be in one. It takes about 2 minutes worth of time to get in, or get on a waiting list and get in within a couple days at most.

Oh sure, I can get in easily enough - and then get kicked out again because I'm not selling enough and they're only interested in fresh meat.

And that's supposed to be your defence of the present system?

Nearly all the major trading guilds have some form of kick immunity.. be it 3000-5000 gold a week if you dont make sales quota. Anyone could grind that much gold in ten minutes with their eyes closed. Its not an excuse.

Any experienced player who's into grinding, farming, and trading, perhaps. But not the average casual, semi-casual, or relatively new/low level player who still wants to participate in a trading system. Of course the present system is fine for the serious traders, that's why they keep defending it, but let's not underestimate the number of players who it excludes. Whether or not it's the 90% of players being talked about here is really neither here nor there, by any calculation of the number of kiosks and therefore successful guilds at any one time, the number of players in more than one of those guilds, and the comparison between those figures and the size of the playerbase, it's pretty obvious that an awful lot of players are excluded from the present system.

Still inaccurate. If i get more than ten hours in a week thats a good week. Id consider myself borderline casual nowadays. I was in one of the top 5 trading guilds and ranked up fairly highly in guild ranks when i was doing decent trade sales and playing more regularly. didnt make quota every week though so 3k here, 3k there. The only reason i got the boot was my period of inactivity late last year when i didnt play for almost 3 months but thats fair enough imho. Its really not hard even for a casual to sustain that. Like any MMO you need to invest time in order to reap any rewards..

Callous2208

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Global AH'S are a garbage item dump for people not interested in actually trading/money making in mmos. No effort/no reward system. Buyers in a global AH system will find no deals on anything worthwhile, unless buying garbage mats and items they already have. Rare or important commodities will remain through the roof in pricing. I enjoy making money with the system eso has implemented as it rewards the time and effort I put in. Both as a buyer and a seller. If I ever grow tired of it, I'll just pop a quick "wts" in zone chat of a major city and offload my quick sellers.

The vast majority does not play MMOs to trade/make money. It is a necessity to most.

Why do you think the most successful MMOs for years had global AH? It is the best and transparent version to buy/sell commodities.

Rare/Very valuable items are always mostly sold via zone or chat. That's how it works.

I agree. Rare and valuable items are mostly sold through zone chat. Eso is no different so what's the issue? Also, your other statement is meaningless. If people don't play mmos to trade and make money, why would those successful mmos having an auction house have anything to do with their success?

@Callous2208

Learn to read. Kek.

It is a necessity. It should not be overcomplicated (like it is in ESO). A global AH reduces the wasted time you spend with the current systems, so you can actually play the game If you really do enjoy trading there are better games OR THE REAL WORLD for you.

Oh cool glad you said that. Here I thought I was a grown man making my own decisions about what I enjoy and what's a necessity for me. Watch me trigger your young naive mind now. This is the system ZOS chose. It's great and they have no plans to change it. Better adapt or move on friend. Kek.

P.s. Auction house in every other game I played was a waste of time. A junk drop with nothing affordable and no way to easily make money. Can't discredit me, I was there so it's fact. See how opinions work.