Cyrodiil Performance Test and Double AP Event

khemdog

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

As you saw in Matt’s 2017 roadmap, we are making Cyrodiil performance evaluation and fixing a priority this year. We want to make sure that Cyrodiil is a great PvP experience for everyone. Over the last year, we’ve made some good strides towards refining server performance across all campaigns, and we will continue down that path.

When looking into Cyrodiil issues, we definitely see (both in-game and through monitoring) situations where client and server performance degrade significantly when under high load. The small incremental changes we’ve made over the last year have helped, but they alone are not enough. So, we’re going to change our strategy a bit – which is the point of this post.

Simply put, Azura’s Star (the non-Champion Point campaign) runs much better, more efficiently, and is overall a much better PvP experience than the standard campaigns such as Trueflame or Haderus. Now that we’ve had a significant population density in Azura’s Star, we strongly suspect what has been theorized for a long time: Champion Rank passives and abilities are causing too much server load, especially in situations like Keep battles where there are tons of players in one place.

Because of this, we are going to run a series of PvP performance tests, and because it is impossible to simulate PvP load on our internal test servers (or on PTS), we will do this on all live servers on the dates of February 27 – March 6. This is not something we take lightly, and it is important that we evaluate performance when the server is under real-world load situations.

Our first test will be set up as follows:

• For a period of one week, all Champion Points will be disabled on all Campaigns on all platforms and megaservers
• During this time, AP gains in all Campaigns will be doubled, both to compensate for lack of CP and also to incentivize players to PvP so we can record as much data as possible
• Campaign durations and leaderboards will not be adjusted during this week

We encourage all players to continue their PvP activities in their respective Home, Guest, and Friends campaigns – we will be taking feedback and monitoring data on a daily basis during this test, and look forward to reading your constructive posts about server performance during the time of the test.

The results of this test will determine the next course of action for refining Cyrodiil server performance. Thank you for your perseverance and patience – we thoroughly appreciate your time, efforts, and feedback!

Thanks again, and see you in Cyrodiil!

-Wheeler

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
So what happened my dude?

Trout1996

What ever happened to these changes?

NBrookus

Ackwalan wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

That was one of focuses in 2017 ..... Ok so have our answer now as in no answer....We were never told of the results we were never told anything after this .... We were just left hanging the rest of 2017 ....

2018....... People have left PVP in larger numbers IMO In early 2018 Shore could post 3 bars straight across during primetime and 2 bars almost every night .... Now its down to 2 bars on the weekends during primetime and 1 bar most of the week...

Whats in store in 2019 well... declining population .... frustration and people moving to new games in the near future... I personally will stay away from games with some of the people that have been associated with this one.... I love this games concepts and everythying about it except (PERFORMANCE)

Camelot Unchained is the biggest threat to ESO and ZoS failed to see it. 4 years ago there were people talking about it and we all knew what was going to happen when it was officially launched.

ZoS had 4 years to fix the lag, instead they took the easy route of selling chapter after chapter. CU is now just around the corner... and there's no way ESO will dare to compete against that monster.

ZOS had the exact same hype about ESO that CU has had. DO you really think CU will be able to hold up tp their promise? ESO didn't, why should CU?

I'm a tester/backer for CU. Whether it is a game you want to play or even if the game turns out to be not particularly fun or good, the engine DOES live up to the challenge of thousands of people on screen and they are still optimizing.

CU is not intended to be a mass market MMO. ESO's PVE side is certainly under no threat.

khemdog

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Whats the deal dude?
Can we get a response?

Gonna keep this necro going until I get an answer or you close the thread and admit that you give 0 ***.

Ralamil

khemdog wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Whats the deal dude?
Can we get a response?

Gonna keep this necro going until I get an answer or you close the thread and admit that you give 0 ***.

We'll try, and they'll probably close the thread because they care more about the health of the forums than the health of the game.

Anyway:

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Well? We're still waiting, a year after.

Sarousse

Shot answer : "Bla bla bla ... performance will get better we promise... bla bla bla".

Same speech for 5 years.

Do you still really believe that they will fix it ? REALLY ?

Palidon

ZOS' statement is a perfect example of telling their player base what they want to hear and then doing absolutely nothing. Its 2019 now ask yourself what issues have they fixed?

Iskras

Palidon wrote: »

ZOS' statement is a perfect example of telling their player base what they want to hear and then doing absolutely nothing. Its 2019 now ask yourself what issues have they fixed?

NO ETA

valeriiya

Palidon wrote: »

ZOS' statement is a perfect example of telling their player base what they want to hear and then doing absolutely nothing. Its 2019 now ask yourself what issues have they fixed?

And then @ZOS_GinaBruno comes out with this and yet nothing changes
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Hi everyone. First of all, you aren't wrong. We agree we haven't been communicating as much as we should on this matter (among others) and for that, we apologize. There really is no excuse.

barshemm

But hey, we get another mid-year mayhem to bring even more people to lag fest now.

XoxHANNIBALxoX

Hold on, give them a chance guys, it's only been 11 months since this was posted. These changes don't happen overnight lol

Knootewoot

According to this article, 2019 is going to be a huge year for ESO.

It even got me excited a little. Maybe they found the uber-fix for lag issues in PvP.

Edit: nvm. They only talk of PvE: "As such, next year’s story and adventure will be something truly special for all Elder Scrolls Online players. We are so excited to be able to share it with you soon, and we can’t wait to see how you all put all the pieces together starting early next year."

So probably nothing for PvP. Bummer

kylewwefan

Necro thread. Those of you too new to remember, all those changes had to be reversed. ( truly infinite load screens ) it was catastrophic if I recall. This is as good as Cyrodil is ever going to be. Sorry. It will not get any better. It’s been how long now? A year? Maybe two? It’s not going to get fixed. Deal with it.

Lettigall

Knootewoot wrote: »

According to this article, 2019 is going to be a huge year for ESO.

It even got me excited a little. Maybe they found the uber-fix for lag issues in PvP.

Edit: nvm. They only talk of PvE: "As such, next year’s story and adventure will be something truly special for all Elder Scrolls Online players. We are so excited to be able to share it with you soon, and we can’t wait to see how you all put all the pieces together starting early next year."

So probably nothing for PvP. Bummer

Devs aren't incompetent as same may think, they know how to fix lag, but there's one problem- fixing it costs too much. All they can do is bandage fixes.

ZarkingFrued

So it didn't work out and now they don't care?

DaveMoeDee

Knootewoot wrote: »

According to this article, 2019 is going to be a huge year for ESO.

It even got me excited a little. Maybe they found the uber-fix for lag issues in PvP.

Edit: nvm. They only talk of PvE: "As such, next year’s story and adventure will be something truly special for all Elder Scrolls Online players. We are so excited to be able to share it with you soon, and we can’t wait to see how you all put all the pieces together starting early next year."

So probably nothing for PvP. Bummer

I don't have any experience with competitors, but the lack of a compelling PvP alternative that is more performant makes me think this is hard to do. I remember close to launch people talking about biding time for CU, but that still isn't around. As the CU comment earlier mentions, that game is really dedicated to that and not for the larger audience ESO caters to, my being in that PvE story loving group.

I hope another game can really scratch that itch people have for large scale PvP 24/7. I like PvP as a periodic chance of pace (usually during events in my case or when leveling) as it can be fun to group in Cyrodiil, but expecting this game to perform well at this point seems a bit unrealistic.

To be clear, I'm NOT telling people to not ask ZOS to improve performance. Consumers SHOULD do that if they are unhappy with a product a company is marketing. But it makes sense to ZOS to play to their strengths as this engine probably isn't going to compete with something build focused on PvP only.

The Uninvited

Lettigall wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

According to this article, 2019 is going to be a huge year for ESO.

It even got me excited a little. Maybe they found the uber-fix for lag issues in PvP.

Edit: nvm. They only talk of PvE: "As such, next year’s story and adventure will be something truly special for all Elder Scrolls Online players. We are so excited to be able to share it with you soon, and we can’t wait to see how you all put all the pieces together starting early next year."

So probably nothing for PvP. Bummer

Devs aren't incompetent as same may think, they know how to fix lag, but there's one problem- fixing it costs too much. All they can do is bandage fixes.

It costs too much? They could giveaway 1 million dollars to a player, but this costs too much?

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25551

Xvorg

Ackwalan wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

That was one of focuses in 2017 ..... Ok so have our answer now as in no answer....We were never told of the results we were never told anything after this .... We were just left hanging the rest of 2017 ....

2018....... People have left PVP in larger numbers IMO In early 2018 Shore could post 3 bars straight across during primetime and 2 bars almost every night .... Now its down to 2 bars on the weekends during primetime and 1 bar most of the week...

Whats in store in 2019 well... declining population .... frustration and people moving to new games in the near future... I personally will stay away from games with some of the people that have been associated with this one.... I love this games concepts and everythying about it except (PERFORMANCE)

Camelot Unchained is the biggest threat to ESO and ZoS failed to see it. 4 years ago there were people talking about it and we all knew what was going to happen when it was officially launched.

ZoS had 4 years to fix the lag, instead they took the easy route of selling chapter after chapter. CU is now just around the corner... and there's no way ESO will dare to compete against that monster.

ZOS had the exact same hype about ESO that CU has had. DO you really think CU will be able to hold up tp their promise? ESO didn't, why should CU?

Because we need to believe in somerthing?

Xvorg

Knootewoot wrote: »

According to this article, 2019 is going to be a huge year for ESO.

It even got me excited a little. Maybe they found the uber-fix for lag issues in PvP.

Edit: nvm. They only talk of PvE: "As such, next year’s story and adventure will be something truly special for all Elder Scrolls Online players. We are so excited to be able to share it with you soon, and we can’t wait to see how you all put all the pieces together starting early next year."

So probably nothing for PvP. Bummer

At the end, it became TES VI. PvE with friends

Zelos

LOL who grave dug this?

Xvorg

The Uninvited wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

According to this article, 2019 is going to be a huge year for ESO.

It even got me excited a little. Maybe they found the uber-fix for lag issues in PvP.

Edit: nvm. They only talk of PvE: "As such, next year’s story and adventure will be something truly special for all Elder Scrolls Online players. We are so excited to be able to share it with you soon, and we can’t wait to see how you all put all the pieces together starting early next year."

So probably nothing for PvP. Bummer

Devs aren't incompetent as same may think, they know how to fix lag, but there's one problem- fixing it costs too much. All they can do is bandage fixes.

It costs too much? They could giveaway 1 million dollars to a player, but this costs too much?

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25551

TBH, much more than that. They need to bring down the game for a couple of weeks/months to attempt a fix (that could even not be the one the game needs), then they need to gather all the people that left for those months, expecting a return of less than 50% if we are optimistic.

During those months the company does not have revenues (for obvious reasons); and after the fix it is probable they will never receive any amount of money as good as what they receive previous to the fix attempt because there will be less people.

So fixing the game turns out to be a bad idea not because the operational cost, but for the costs in the long run.

Delsskia

They don't have to take the game offline to fix it. They already have all of the code that needs to be rewritten, streamlined and optimized. The live game is not the only version of it that they have.

Xvorg

Delsskia wrote: »

They don't have to take the game offline to fix it. They already have all of the code that needs to be rewritten, streamlined and optimized. The live game is not the only version of it that they have.

that's what they have done all these years, but they need some testing before releasing the fix... which reminds me there's a new PTS cycle coming next week.

JackDaniell

This whole thread is LOL.

While we cant play in cyro Rich sings this tune

https://twitter.com/SlashLurk/status/1078689605862547461[/quote]

Zenimax priorities clearly laid out.

Juhasow

XoxHANNIBALxoX wrote: »

Hold on, give them a chance guys, it's only been 11 months since this was posted. These changes don't happen overnight lol

It's been 23 months.

barshemm

Maybe the plan is to keep having double AP events until everyone is so sick of the lag all but 100 people quit and then they have good performance on an empty map.

antihero727

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

As you saw in Matt’s 2017 roadmap, we are making Cyrodiil performance evaluation and fixing a priority this year. We want to make sure that Cyrodiil is a great PvP experience for everyone. Over the last year, we’ve made some good strides towards refining server performance across all campaigns, and we will continue down that path.

When looking into Cyrodiil issues, we definitely see (both in-game and through monitoring) situations where client and server performance degrade significantly when under high load. The small incremental changes we’ve made over the last year have helped, but they alone are not enough. So, we’re going to change our strategy a bit – which is the point of this post.

Simply put, Azura’s Star (the non-Champion Point campaign) runs much better, more efficiently, and is overall a much better PvP experience than the standard campaigns such as Trueflame or Haderus. Now that we’ve had a significant population density in Azura’s Star, we strongly suspect what has been theorized for a long time: Champion Rank passives and abilities are causing too much server load, especially in situations like Keep battles where there are tons of players in one place.

Because of this, we are going to run a series of PvP performance tests, and because it is impossible to simulate PvP load on our internal test servers (or on PTS), we will do this on all live servers on the dates of February 27 – March 6. This is not something we take lightly, and it is important that we evaluate performance when the server is under real-world load situations.

Our first test will be set up as follows:

• For a period of one week, all Champion Points will be disabled on all Campaigns on all platforms and megaservers
• During this time, AP gains in all Campaigns will be doubled, both to compensate for lack of CP and also to incentivize players to PvP so we can record as much data as possible
• Campaign durations and leaderboards will not be adjusted during this week

We encourage all players to continue their PvP activities in their respective Home, Guest, and Friends campaigns – we will be taking feedback and monitoring data on a daily basis during this test, and look forward to reading your constructive posts about server performance during the time of the test.

The results of this test will determine the next course of action for refining Cyrodiil server performance. Thank you for your perseverance and patience – we thoroughly appreciate your time, efforts, and feedback!

Thanks again, and see you in Cyrodiil!

-Wheeler

Its been 2 years and we are still in the same boat?

valeriiya

They were going to fix it but stuck in a long loading screen on the way

LegacyDM

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

So it didn't work out and now they don't care?

Yup. As long as people keep buying crates and chapters. Pve is their money maker. No incentive to even care about pvp.

barshemm wrote: »

Maybe the plan is to keep having double AP events until everyone is so sick of the lag all but 100 people quit and then they have good performance on an empty map.

I suspect that when CU releases there will be a mass exodus from eso pvp. At that point, lag will clear up due to a much smaller population playing. Zos, to save face, will time a statement claiming they fixed it, but in actuality it was due to mass exodus. zos either ignores the truth or covers it up. It's better for their bottom line to stay silent than to be transparent. And that is why this company is garbage. Between the fallout 76 debacle and how they false advertise through faking this game shows how garbage this company is. I barely play anymore, when I do, it's to test the performance in the hopes that it's been fixed. 4 years later. Nope. I've given this company so much money since beta. For years I subscribed hoping my money would improve performance. Nope, they cash grab and stay silent.

They lied about this game going free to play. They lied about not charging for expansions for subscribers. DLCs, chapters, whatever same thing. They lied about the advertising for this games pvp capabilities. They lied about what the end game would be. They lied about Perma banning the CE users.They lied about fixing the bot problem. They lied about the lighting patch. If you're an oceanic player out of Hawaii using spectrum they lie about why the patcher doesn't work and tell everyone to use a VPN. They lied about their player count. They claim they have 11 million accounts. How many are active? They won't tell you that. Lies, lies, lies. Crooks.

FireCowCommando

LegacyDM wrote: »

They lied about this game going free to play. They lied about not charging for expansions for subscribers. DLCs, chapters, whatever same thing. They lied about the advertising for this games pvp capabilities. They lied about what the end game would be. They lied about Perma banning the CE users.They lied about fixing the bot problem. They lied about the lighting patch. If you're an oceanic player out of Hawaii using spectrum they lie about why the patcher doesn't work and tell everyone to use a VPN. They lied about their player count. They claim they have 11 million accounts. How many are active? They won't tell you that. Lies, lies, lies. Crooks.

But if ZoS and Bethesda didn't tell so many lies they wouldn't be competing for the number 1 AAA game company with EA... Have you thought about how difficult it is to keep a dumpster fire going for this many years?