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Frags!?!?!
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People were under the impression, that Wrobel is a Nightblade player, because he kept them supreme for a very long time.
I keep hearing rumors he plays stamsorc.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭Yeah, forgot about that option, bye bye kiteblade and hello full gankblade. Time to respecc and drop impen and stamrecovery and go full divines and shadow and drop thoose asses before they even have time to react. Cya on the ground on the battlefield. oh wait u will never know what hit ya. Peace and out
Miat's addon begs to differ
Miat RIP, doesnt work anymore, so no crutches for you anymore.
I've told him directly, that anybody that needs that add-on to survive is a pathetic excuse for a gamer.
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✭✭✭✭@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
The curse thing was meant as a PVE rotation buff, I don't think the devs considered the effect on nightblades.
You have to admit, for every other class we (sorcs) are going to reapply it every 3.5 seconds, just like we did since forever.
Nightblades are the only ones getting hit by the double explosions because you cloak off. Sorcs might catch it if they try to run or disengage. Templars might get hit with the haunt explosion if they're ressing someone cursed.
As for getting my class 'unbuffed'. Nearly all of us voted to keep velocious curse 'as-is'. We didn't exactly ask for it. Nor am I shedding any tears for the two-button- click instant stealth killers. You guys were god-mode last patch, it was so bad a PLAYER made an addon to put a stop to it. Not saying that addon was all right, but there was a serious ganking problem.Edited by Minalan on February 8, 2017 1:35AM8 -
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✭@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
I agree with Minalan; the 2 buffs that will affect me in pvp are the 8% damage buff from inferno staff and the 25% buff to atro. I don't use force pulse in pvp and the curse change I don't want and won't be making full use of. So the only unique buff my toon got in pvp was the atro buff, which was called for.
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People were under the impression, that Wrobel is a Nightblade player, because he kept them supreme for a very long time.
Lol but sorcs have been top dog since 1.6 mag sorc was the best class until dark brotherhood than stam sorc became the best, but mag sorc is still a top tier class in PvP. I actually think mag sorc is a stronger class than stamblade right now. Same burst damage but mag sorcs actually have defense. Honestly I don't remember a time when stamblade was stronger than mag sorc. I would rank mag sorc 3rd right now after stam sorc and stam dk2 -
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✭If only a procced frag did half as much damage as incapacitating strike. Then we could have a talk.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
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✭If only a procced frag did half as much damage as incapacitating strike. Then we could have a talk.
But it does. the highest I ever hit a frag for was 16k and my highest incap I ever hit was around 15k. So they are about even in damage. both usually hit me for around 6k to 8k. I actually think sorc burst is more op than a stamblades burst because I can time my burst on my sorc to all go off at the same time. Curse his like a truck as well. Sorcerer will forever be a great class lots of burst and lots of mobility. Another thing I noticed about magsorc is I still hit like a truck with one or sometimes 2 cost reduction glyphs on my jewelry. I don't think I can say the same for my 3 other classes4 -
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✭@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
The curse thing was meant as a PVE rotation buff, I don't think the devs considered the effect on nightblades.
You have to admit, for every other class we (sorcs) are going to reapply it every 3.5 seconds, just like we did since forever.
Nightblades are the only ones getting hit by the double explosions because you cloak off. Sorcs might catch it if they try to run or disengage. Templars might get hit with the haunt explosion if they're ressing someone cursed.
As for getting my class 'unbuffed'. Nearly all of us voted to keep velocious curse 'as-is'. We didn't exactly ask for it. Nor am I shedding any tears for the two-button- click instant stealth killers. You guys were god-mode last patch, it was so bad a PLAYER made an addon to put a stop to it. Not saying that addon was all right, but there was a serious ganking problem.
If you get ganked by NBs you need to reevaluate your builds and L2P instead of asking for buffs.Power Wealth And Influence.1 -
leothedino✭✭✭✭And here is just me, a PVE'er, sat in the corner rolling my eyes as the hyper-queens get our beloved classes nerfed and buffed because 'somebody killed them' in pvp...2 -
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✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
The curse thing was meant as a PVE rotation buff, I don't think the devs considered the effect on nightblades.
You have to admit, for every other class we (sorcs) are going to reapply it every 3.5 seconds, just like we did since forever.
Nightblades are the only ones getting hit by the double explosions because you cloak off. Sorcs might catch it if they try to run or disengage. Templars might get hit with the haunt explosion if they're ressing someone cursed.
As for getting my class 'unbuffed'. Nearly all of us voted to keep velocious curse 'as-is'. We didn't exactly ask for it. Nor am I shedding any tears for the two-button- click instant stealth killers. You guys were god-mode last patch, it was so bad a PLAYER made an addon to put a stop to it. Not saying that addon was all right, but there was a serious ganking problem.
If you get ganked by NBs you need to reevaluate your builds and L2P instead of asking for buffs.
No. Maybe this patch you need to re-evaluate YOURS. 16K health and all divines won't cut it if one curse is killing you guys after 12 seconds and two explosions.
Last patch with the triple crit proc sets there was nothing to nothing you could do and you know it. Now? That's a bit less effective.Edited by Minalan on February 8, 2017 7:56AM2 -
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✭Anti_Virus wrote: »@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
The curse thing was meant as a PVE rotation buff, I don't think the devs considered the effect on nightblades.
You have to admit, for every other class we (sorcs) are going to reapply it every 3.5 seconds, just like we did since forever.
Nightblades are the only ones getting hit by the double explosions because you cloak off. Sorcs might catch it if they try to run or disengage. Templars might get hit with the haunt explosion if they're ressing someone cursed.
As for getting my class 'unbuffed'. Nearly all of us voted to keep velocious curse 'as-is'. We didn't exactly ask for it. Nor am I shedding any tears for the two-button- click instant stealth killers. You guys were god-mode last patch, it was so bad a PLAYER made an addon to put a stop to it. Not saying that addon was all right, but there was a serious ganking problem.
If you get ganked by NBs you need to reevaluate your builds and L2P instead of asking for buffs.
No. Maybe this patch you need to re-evaluate YOURS. 16K health and all divines won't cut it if one curse is killing you guys after 12 seconds and two explosions.
Last patch with the triple crit proc sets there was nothing to nothing you could do and you know it. Now? That's a bit less effective.
so we have it, nb was that "OP" in patch before because of unconsidered about pvp, so if you can look more NB was power creepy only because those broken sets and sorc is much much better than nb without thoose sets combinations like other clasees, only stam dk was missing burst without proc sets but at all have great survivability with which nb is lacking
and please look more into those classes, all have great survivability except nb with broken cloak albo to many counters to cloak.
sorc can hit with higher burst than nb, nb to burst have only heavy attack(if from hide) 1 skill to use at once and thos eproc sets
sorc have curse, applied explosion from finisher and then crystal frag hit in good moment it will all *BOOM* with much much higher burst in 1 sec than any stamblade without those proc sets and burst comparable without problem to stacked 2-3 proc sts at once
TL;DR nb have no burst without proc sets but sorc have burst with class skills better than nb also with proc sets (especially in open fight, not ganging)1 -
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✭TL;DR nb have no burst without proc sets but sorc have burst with class skills better than nb also with proc sets (especially in open fight, not ganging)
NB's have no burst without proc sets!? Please, we've been killing people from stealth long before even a single proc set was introduced, let alone triple stacking.
Sorc's have amazing delayed burst, if you see a curse on you, that gives you a whole 3 seconds to plan. Us NB's have amazing stealth burst, it doesn't need to be comparable to open fighting burst because it also provides us with a distinct advantage over a unaware enemy. Stealth burst, then sustain pressure, should not expect to be able to kill people with a single proc set burst by gimping your sustained damage.
Admittedly I'm still a very nub sorc, but this is a huge buff for me. Between curses it allows me to shield up and start rotation again without reapplying curse. Only drawback is less chance to proc frag.
The curse thing was meant as a PVE rotation buff, I don't think the devs considered the effect on nightblades.
You have to admit, for every other class we (sorcs) are going to reapply it every 3.5 seconds, just like we did since forever.
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yeah, burst from stealth we have without proc sets, but only from this stealth, as I wrote sorc havy much much better burst than nb in open fight + sorc have greater survivability and can easier escape because det pots or aoe wont stop him from streaking
in open fight I dont see any nb with survivability or with damage if is in heavy armor
ocp top pro players are able to do this but of you ogo on cyro you can easily see to 20 differenct players you wil see only maybe this 1 good nb in open fight or less, rest 19+ from 20 players will be everything non nb good in open fight and only nb able to play normally as rest you wont see because he is waiting in hide to gang you because in open fight he have no chance to live0 -
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✭✭AlphaNicole wrote: »
You don't play nightblade, do you?
Otherwise you would've known that you're very wrong about nightblades.@ Izaki #PCEU
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willlienellson✭✭✭✭✭I wish I had a dollar for every person I spoke to that told me, "NBs suck, but they're OP, need a nerf, but I hardly ever die to them"
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✭✭willlienellson wrote: »I wish I had a dollar for every person I spoke to that told me, "NBs suck, but they're OP, need a nerf, but I hardly ever die to them"
"outside of a gank"@ Izaki #PCEU
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KaiDynasty✭✭✭I don't see that much problem about curse and cloack. A good sorc when use curse and the nb go stealth, after it explode IMMEDIATELY apply another one to prevent the nb go stealth again losing the position of such enemy.
The curse change isn't a problem to nbs, why? You have also 8,5 seconds to move and counter the 2nd explosion of curse, so i don't understand what is the problem..
NBs have other problems, but curse isn't one of them.1 -
MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, forgot about that option, bye bye kiteblade and hello full gankblade. Time to respecc and drop impen and stamrecovery and go full divines and shadow and drop thoose asses before they even have time to react. Cya on the ground on the battlefield. oh wait u will never know what hit ya. Peace and out
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Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭KaiDynasty wrote: »I don't see that much problem about curse and cloack. A good sorc when use curse and the nb go stealth, after it explode IMMEDIATELY apply another one to prevent the nb go stealth again losing the position of such enemy.
The curse change isn't a problem to nbs, why? You have also 8,5 seconds to move and counter the 2nd explosion of curse, so i don't understand what is the problem..
NBs have other problems, but curse isn't one of them.
Are you serious? You never played a nb yes? I dont die of the second proc. I die of the zerg looking for my ass after i killed one if their zergpals. As a nb you go in and out of the fight all the time because if u stay in the fight in medium armour u are dead because we dont have easymode shields to protect our asses. The curse change *** that up.2 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
The curse thing was meant as a PVE rotation buff, I don't think the devs considered the effect on nightblades.
You have to admit, for every other class we (sorcs) are going to reapply it every 3.5 seconds, just like we did since forever.
Nightblades are the only ones getting hit by the double explosions because you cloak off. Sorcs might catch it if they try to run or disengage. Templars might get hit with the haunt explosion if they're ressing someone cursed.
As for getting my class 'unbuffed'. Nearly all of us voted to keep velocious curse 'as-is'. We didn't exactly ask for it. Nor am I shedding any tears for the two-button- click instant stealth killers. You guys were god-mode last patch, it was so bad a PLAYER made an addon to put a stop to it. Not saying that addon was all right, but there was a serious ganking problem.
Im not whining about ganking being nerfed, this change to curse affects open world kiteblades in a detrimental way forcing us all into ganking instead. I want option to play in different ways, as it is now stam nbs suck in pve and pvp. All we are good at is gank 1 guy and run away.0 -
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✭✭KaiDynasty wrote: »I don't see that much problem about curse and cloack. A good sorc when use curse and the nb go stealth, after it explode IMMEDIATELY apply another one to prevent the nb go stealth again losing the position of such enemy.
The curse change isn't a problem to nbs, why? You have also 8,5 seconds to move and counter the 2nd explosion of curse, so i don't understand what is the problem..
NBs have other problems, but curse isn't one of them.
Are you serious? You never played a nb yes? I dont die of the second proc. I die of the zerg looking for my ass after i killed one if their zergpals. As a nb you go in and out of the fight all the time because if u stay in the fight in medium armour u are dead because we dont have easymode shields to protect our asses. The curse change *** that up.
I was going to defend your cause but seing how disrespectful you are to others I don't think I can take you seriously. L2P issue.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »ZOS gj with frags. Now they can hit u with a sec between and also stay on you forever when u try to cloak away. u really want to totally extinguish nb as it is supposed to be played. [snip]
NB are supposed to die a grisly death on the battlefield - with just the hope that you can take at least one person down from stealth.
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It already takes effect. Currently all PvP NB (that want to live a little bit longer and farm more AP points) are ruining magicka sap tank builds and usually are in 10 - 20 group, spamming Sap Essence & destro ults...
btw. look at the patch notes.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318838/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-7-5#latest
Is it only me or NB received further nerfs and increased cost for skills and ult ?
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Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »KaiDynasty wrote: »I don't see that much problem about curse and cloack. A good sorc when use curse and the nb go stealth, after it explode IMMEDIATELY apply another one to prevent the nb go stealth again losing the position of such enemy.
The curse change isn't a problem to nbs, why? You have also 8,5 seconds to move and counter the 2nd explosion of curse, so i don't understand what is the problem..
NBs have other problems, but curse isn't one of them.
Are you serious? You never played a nb yes? I dont die of the second proc. I die of the zerg looking for my ass after i killed one if their zergpals. As a nb you go in and out of the fight all the time because if u stay in the fight in medium armour u are dead because we dont have easymode shields to protect our asses. The curse change *** that up.
I was going to defend your cause but seing how disrespectful you are to others I don't think I can take you seriously. L2P issue.
I have tried to adapt for months with cloak being utterly broken since 1T. I will adapt again, always make sure i can los and hide and wait until the 2nd curse procs, keeping shadow image up. Wearing troll King so i get good heals in cloak. There are ways to counter this ofc. But thats not the issue here, its forcing us into the shadows even more, limiting our options how we can play. And yes im pissed, was looking forward to cloak working again and then comes this.1 -
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✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
I agree with Minalan; the 2 buffs that will affect me in pvp are the 8% damage buff from inferno staff and the 25% buff to atro. I don't use force pulse in pvp and the curse change I don't want and won't be making full use of. So the only unique buff my toon got in pvp was the atro buff, which was called for.
Even if the buff isn't unique to your class per say, it's still a buff to your class. MagSorc got some pretty damn nice buffs this patch, and no matter how much ppl say "oh but it's a buff to all magicka classes", it's still a magSorc buff.
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Konstant_Tel_Necris✭✭✭✭✭So NB gankers will use cleanse like other now? Not really is NB ganker was punished for his failed attempt to kill I dont see any problems there.Edited by Konstant_Tel_Necris on February 8, 2017 10:12PM0 -
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✭Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »So NB gankers will use cleanse like other now? Not really is NB ganker was punished for his failed attempt to kill I dont see any problems there.
I see here 1 problem, mostly average player (so not PRO, TOP players etc whoa re 24/7 in game) cant play other than ganging as nb, he is just free ap because no defense while manye counters to cloak0 -
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✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »@Minalan, lol u seriously trying to unbuff the buffs sorcs got this patch? it was strong before, now its easymode.
I agree with Minalan; the 2 buffs that will affect me in pvp are the 8% damage buff from inferno staff and the 25% buff to atro. I don't use force pulse in pvp and the curse change I don't want and won't be making full use of. So the only unique buff my toon got in pvp was the atro buff, which was called for.
Even if the buff isn't unique to your class per say, it's still a buff to your class. MagSorc got some pretty damn nice buffs this patch, and no matter how much ppl say "oh but it's a buff to all magicka classes", it's still a magSorc buff.
Don't have anything against it, just sayin....
I agree, and I'll take it. I would be opposed to calls for sorc class nerfs in future though for the reason that they now hit too hard. I'm worried that the 8% more damage will give people a reason to target sorcs for nerfs. Eroding the efficacy of class skills while buffing municipal skills is not something I'm down with. Hence my eagerness to point out that my toon only got one unique buff for pvp.PC | EU0