PTS Feedback Thread for Templar Balance Improvements

Lore_lai

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Joy_Division
@Lore_lai
@Cinbri

Given that I don't think we'll be seeing a Blazing Spear unnerf, nor do I think Lumi Spear will be buffed into acceptable CC, could I ask for your opinion on changing Eclipse from a reflect to a Silence as it's base CC effeect?

I would rather have a good CC.
Javelin and morphs would still be underwhelming IMO compared to other CCs that provide much more utility.
Mini-silence could be potentially too OP against magicka builds and only moderately useful - to- no use - against stamina builds (depending on circumstance). We need a CC that can be useful across the board. A reliable CC.
I would rather see Eclipse as per @Cinbri 's suggestions.

We *need* Luminous CC to be fixed. @ZOS_RichLambert - this CC is utterly broken and gives free CC immunity. Are you really going to leave us like this? Will you not even acknowledge the issue here?
I guess Templars are not as persuasive as Sorcerers?

templesus

A proposal @ZOS_RichLambert, give magicka crescent sweep back and in turn give stamina a method of sustaining, perhaps adding something to repent similar to that of channeled focus. This way you will not buff stamplars to much, but rather in the areas that need it.

Erynyes

i would have preferred crescent to remain magicka and be buffed, and have empowering sweep made stam with a stamina-steal effect on it or a debuff

itscompton

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itscompton wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

i was damage testing radiant destruction with my templar 561+ friend who runs full yellow damage gear(no sustain sets), food up, and entropy. i cannot agree with a 21% damage nerf on this ability. i wasn't seeing offending damage enough on it.

in our best attempts to produce any sort of insane damage(10k+), she had to start the beam when i had around 15% hp or less, which should be normal for an execute.

That's the true issue with RO, none of the complainers really use it in solo/small group play and don't understand that it's DPS is already ridiculously low unless the target is at less that 10-15% health. People get hit with it in PvP for two ticks when they have 6000 health left and the first tick does a reasonable/underpowered 3000k damage but the tick that kills them overkills for 12k when they have 3K health and suddenly they're pissed because the death recap shows 15K damage in 2 seconds. Even with 35K max magic and 4k spell damage when I run solo (which is almost always) casting RO on anyone with more than 15% health is a total waste of magica since the ticks of damage are so low 90% of builds can outheal the DPS.

Morph that increased dmg by 20%
Double dips into cp so an easy 15%

Thats 35% more dmg than other executes.

I've 1 hit people plenty of times when they have been at 30%. The issue with beam with the range, the fact it's undodgeable as well. Plus the first tick in so quick the animation doesn't even appear.

If someone is at like 40% you press beam, 1s the second tick happens and there dead.

They have 1s to react or they die.

All is see is: blah blah blah made up number, blah blah blah, made up number blah blah blah. Come back when you're not full of manure.

josh.lackey_ESO

If you make our channels un-interruptable and our projectiles un-reflectable, then maybe this would be okay. What are magicka templars supposed to use to dps? If we try to use sweeps, we get bashed. If we use Dark Flare, it's reflected. Our only reliable CC was blazing spear. The javelin is trash because it can be dodged/reflected. I guess we better get practice in with volcanic rune's tiny little radius for a reliable CC.

We have no mobility; we are the only class without a major expedition buff. We are the only class without a major sorcery buff in our class skill lines; we have to use entropy (which, bizarrely, can be reflected). Our class shield is based on health instead of magicka. Our major ward/resolve is only 8 seconds unless we stand in one place. We are the only class whose primary abilities are channeled/cast time. Yeah, Dark Flare gives an empower, but that's totally redundant to the empower we get from might of the guild, because remember we can only get major sorcery from entropy. You can completely neutralize a templar simply by bashing them when they cast, or using an interrupt. It's a joke, honestly.

The only "problem" with jesus beam is that the visual effect are so prominent and impossible to miss. People just perceive it as more deadly or overpowered only because they notice it hitting them. It's just a psychological thing. All the other executes in the game are barely noticeable. I notice mage's fury and impale because of the sound effects. Executioner is even more subtle. If jesus beam had subtle graphics, I doubt there would be complaints.

Khaos_Bane

Ishammael wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Just wanted to thank everyone for all the really great feedback in this thread. We have a number of updates/changes coming for the next PTS build that we’d like to share:

• Biting Jabs – Will now be undodgeable like the base ability.
• Biting Jabs – Fixed an issue where the cost per level wasn’t set correctly. (overall cost reduction of approximately 20%)
• Radial Sweep (and morphs) – Initial hit of damage is now undodgeable (it is an AOE after all)
• Crescent Sweep – This morph now does physical damage instead of magicka
• Piercing Javelin (and morphs) – Increased the speed of the projectile by 40%
• Binding Javelin – Reduced the stamina cost by 20%. (to match other stam abilities)
• Backlash (and morphs) – Reduced the amount of damage needed to reach the cap and increased the percentage of damage released. It should be much easier for a solo player who focuses damage on a target to use now.

WoW. This totally falls into the category of "overbuff".

Crescent sweep gonna be outrageous.

Huh? Dawnbreaker is far superior.

Elsterchen

BigES wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

No clue why they felt the need to increase Javelin speed.. think most people would agree that it is already fine as-is. Would much have preferred a working gapcloser, ie. one that doesn't get you killed due to skills becoming stuck or just entirely failing.

I never felt like the speed of the skill was an issue. It was already so fast, you could catch some people pre-Meteor in a duel before they could even block, which was a common combo.

It just seems like a consolation prize to the Blazing Spear nerf, when there is nothing wrong with that skill.

Javelin speed will just incentivize people to sit back and throw it annoyingly like they already do. Templar is an up close and personal class. They are slow. Javelin speed should not be an issue when you're on top of an opponent. Its the same reason Magicka Socs should be on top of the opponent when they go to cast Crystal Frag. Speed of the skill doesn't matter if you're not hiding in the background.

Which is why Blazing Spear works. Its a good "in your face" stun.

New Javelin will just become another annoyance ability for the already aggravating unkillable heavy armor templar healbots.

Javeline isn't a skill that i use when "on top" of an opponent and its range ability doesn't suggest its thought to be used this way imho. When used as a ranged skill it is lacking speed. I was ambushed more then once while trying to pull jacelline off trying to keep opponents away. The changes might solve this problem.

danno8

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Just wanted to thank everyone for all the really great feedback in this thread. We have a number of updates/changes coming for the next PTS build that we’d like to share:

• Biting Jabs – Will now be undodgeable like the base ability.
• Biting Jabs – Fixed an issue where the cost per level wasn’t set correctly. (overall cost reduction of approximately 20%)
• Radial Sweep (and morphs) – Initial hit of damage is now undodgeable (it is an AOE after all)
• Crescent Sweep – This morph now does physical damage instead of magicka
• Piercing Javelin (and morphs) – Increased the speed of the projectile by 40%
• Binding Javelin – Reduced the stamina cost by 20%. (to match other stam abilities)
• Backlash (and morphs) – Reduced the amount of damage needed to reach the cap and increased the percentage of damage released. It should be much easier for a solo player who focuses damage on a target to use now.

Some very good PvP changes in here, but Stamplar seems as useless as ever in endgame PvE. Biting Jabs cost reduction will help with sustain, but even with infinite stamina, Stamplar just do not do enough DPS for endgame. Especially with most boss mechanics being punishing on melee. A melee build better bring something special to endgame PvE and Stamplar do not.

The Backlash change is not clear to me. Is the damage cap on explosion being lowered? For example, depending on max stam, I think damage cap is around 23k for Power of the Light. Will that be going down to 15k or something? Or will damage cap stay at 23k but it will simply be easier to have final explosion actually do 23k damage? Have you given any thought to allowing Backlash to truly crit? Right now, Backlash crits always hit up against the damage cap and essentially do the exact same damage as a non-crit. Is that intended? It really hurts the skill in endgame PvE. The tooltip looks sexy but the inability to crit makes it inferior to skills that look worse on tooltips but can surpass Backlash when you realize those other skills will be critting 80%+ of the time.

+1 for critting backlash

+1 +1

Skill has a huge glowing tower of light or spirally thing(Power of the light) as a telegraph, so you have 6 seconds to react and block it or purge it. Should be able to crit.

Yeah and the fact that it suffers double penalty from the damage reduction in PvP makes it further important.

Actually afaik this one is working properly. The explosion hits for the full amount, since the damage used to get there is already halved by Battle Spirit. Can't recall if I tested it specifically though, but I recall it not being a problem in my mind.

My backlash magicka morph tooltip is 25k, no way its hotting for 25k...it would be broken if it dodnt get doible penalty.

Keep in mind to hit that cap in PvP, you have to do over 100,000 damage in those 6 seconds. Between blocking, dodging, purging and shielding, like I said earlier I have never hit the cap.

However, I have never tested it properly. If it does get hit by the double dipping into Battle Spirit it would be the only one I'm aware of. And it would be no wonder it is sooooo bad in PvP. Having a skill that is delayed by 6 seconds, that requires 100,000 damage in order to get max12k damage, that is mitigated by every type of mitigation in the game, is frankly horrible.

Just tested it in a duel, it definitely takes double penalty...

Wow, no wonder when this thing burst the highest I would usually see is a couple thousand, TOPS. Curious to see what they have actually done with it on Monday.

Paraflex

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Ashamray

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

Paraflex

Ashamray wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

I agree you wouldn't have the same effect if 13 Mag sorcs or 13 NBs using the sets but Templars just have all the right tools to make those sets amazing.

technohic

Paraflex wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

I agree you wouldn't have the same effect if 13 Mag sorcs or 13 NBs using the sets but Templars just have all the right tools to make those sets amazing.

And how is that? By having heals?

Ron_Burgundy_79

Paraflex wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

I agree you wouldn't have the same effect if 13 Mag sorcs or 13 NBs using the sets but Templars just have all the right tools to make those sets amazing.

13 stamblades, stam sorcs, stamplars, stam dks, or magic dks all running reactive amd malubeth would produce similar results.

It's the sets. Not the class.

Paraflex

technohic wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

I agree you wouldn't have the same effect if 13 Mag sorcs or 13 NBs using the sets but Templars just have all the right tools to make those sets amazing.

And how is that? By having heals?

That's a start BOL is quite good,Major Mending,Rune Focus,Sacred Ground,Mending Passive, if you really need this to be explained to you...

technohic

Paraflex wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

I agree you wouldn't have the same effect if 13 Mag sorcs or 13 NBs using the sets but Templars just have all the right tools to make those sets amazing.

And how is that? By having heals?

That's a start BOL is quite good,Major Mending,Rune Focus,Sacred Ground,Mending Passive, if you really need this to be explained to you...

So why are yo whining in Templar threads about it. None of those things are a problem without the sets and what would you have them do when its the sets that are doing it while all those other things are all that makes a templar anything?

Are you just here to whine or do you have a suggestion?

Ashamray

Paraflex wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

I agree you wouldn't have the same effect if 13 Mag sorcs or 13 NBs using the sets but Templars just have all the right tools to make those sets amazing.

And Templar wouldn't have the same effect as Sorc and Nightblade using Necropotence with Infernal guardian. Some sets are just more viable on special class.

Paraflex

technohic wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

Problem is IN THE SETS. How long will Templars be blamed for nothing, huh?

I agree you wouldn't have the same effect if 13 Mag sorcs or 13 NBs using the sets but Templars just have all the right tools to make those sets amazing.

And how is that? By having heals?

That's a start BOL is quite good,Major Mending,Rune Focus,Sacred Ground,Mending Passive, if you really need this to be explained to you...

So why are yo whining in Templar threads about it. None of those things are a problem without the sets and what would you have them do when its the sets that are doing it while all those other things are all that makes a templar anything?

Are you just here to whine or do you have a suggestion?

@technohic

Maybe you missed the part when I said adjust Heavy Armor and Reactive Gear Sets. These sets can be used by all classes...Templars benefit the most from Reactive/Malubeth combo that's why it's in the Templar discussion. Stop acting like a child. This is a balance thread about Templar issues that can also be gear related.

Blackfyre20

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

If you make our channels un-interruptable and our projectiles un-reflectable, then maybe this would be okay. What are magicka templars supposed to use to dps? If we try to use sweeps, we get bashed.

NO. Absolutely not. ZOS has taken enough skillful counter play out of the game, definitely don't need it dumbed down any more. In fact, they should make meteor reflectable and heavy attacks bashable again. Also btw, sweeps is not bashable.

Eas007

The proposed nerf of Blazing Spear is uncalled for and unnecessary imo. Mag(tem)plars got nerfed enough by the change to Warhorn.

My proposed balancing fixes:

*Aedric Spear:
- Implement the stam morph for Radial Sweep.
=> Gives stamplars a class ulti.
- Up the base dmg for Puncturing Strikes and both it's morpths. Increase the dmg on Biting Jab morph even further and implement the proposed cost reduction.
=> Will help stamplars in PvE and PvP with both dmg and sustain.
- Implement the reduced cost to Piercing Javelin.
=> Better sustain.
- Make Explosive Charge a stam morph.
=> Adds incombat mobility to stamplars without losing the 'defend my house' theme to much.

*Dawn's Wrath:
- Change Vampire's Bane to Blinding/Piercing Light. Stam morph, hit's up to 3 target's like Reflective light. Blinds/Major Breach and physical dot.
=> Gives stamplars another way besides Power of the Light to proc the Prism passive, giving them more ulti thus more dmg in long fights (trials). Stamplars have no access to a class ability with Major Breach like Stamdks and Stamblades, or alternatively a AoE blind to fit the 'house' theme.
- Eclipse should have a stam morph too imo. Just no sure what functionality.Or at least one morph with reduced cost so stamplars have a magicka dump. Maybe a Silence/Disarm effect.
- Change Illuminate to grant either Minor Sorcery or Minor Brutality depending on the morph used to proc the passive.
=> Gives stamplars another usefull passive and fits the support theme from Templar.
- Change Restoring Spirit to 3/6% instead of 2/4%.

*Restoring Light:
- Change Mending passive to all healing instead of only Restoring Light abilities. So Rally, Vigor etc benefit from it too.
=> A bit more use out of this tree for stamplar while retaining the 'defend my house' theme. Sets Stamplar apart as class too imo. Stamsorc has Darkdeal and mobility, Stamblade has burst and cloak, Stamdk has insane resource management and mitigation, and with this stamplars would have mitigation and healing with Repentance.
- Change Sacred Ground passive so Ritual and Focus always deal dmg when an enemy is in it like Ritual of Retribution does now. Ritual of Retribution should still do more dmg.
=> Punish enemies for entering your 'house'. Will give Templars more power stationary since we lack mobility.

Just my 2 cents of getting the class more inline with the others without going overboard or losing touch with the 'theme' of the class. (Or Wrobel's theme :P)

leepalmer95

itscompton wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itscompton wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

i was damage testing radiant destruction with my templar 561+ friend who runs full yellow damage gear(no sustain sets), food up, and entropy. i cannot agree with a 21% damage nerf on this ability. i wasn't seeing offending damage enough on it.

in our best attempts to produce any sort of insane damage(10k+), she had to start the beam when i had around 15% hp or less, which should be normal for an execute.

That's the true issue with RO, none of the complainers really use it in solo/small group play and don't understand that it's DPS is already ridiculously low unless the target is at less that 10-15% health. People get hit with it in PvP for two ticks when they have 6000 health left and the first tick does a reasonable/underpowered 3000k damage but the tick that kills them overkills for 12k when they have 3K health and suddenly they're pissed because the death recap shows 15K damage in 2 seconds. Even with 35K max magic and 4k spell damage when I run solo (which is almost always) casting RO on anyone with more than 15% health is a total waste of magica since the ticks of damage are so low 90% of builds can outheal the DPS.

Morph that increased dmg by 20%
Double dips into cp so an easy 15%

Thats 35% more dmg than other executes.

I've 1 hit people plenty of times when they have been at 30%. The issue with beam with the range, the fact it's undodgeable as well. Plus the first tick in so quick the animation doesn't even appear.

If someone is at like 40% you press beam, 1s the second tick happens and there dead.

They have 1s to react or they die.

All is see is: blah blah blah made up number, blah blah blah, made up number blah blah blah. Come back when you're not full of manure.

All i see is

Blah blah blah i can't handle the numbers and facts in a discussion blah blah i have no retort blah blah i'll just pretend it doesn't exist because i'm useless at balance blah blah let me cry some more about my easy mode skill.

MalakithAlamahdi

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itscompton wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

i was damage testing radiant destruction with my templar 561+ friend who runs full yellow damage gear(no sustain sets), food up, and entropy. i cannot agree with a 21% damage nerf on this ability. i wasn't seeing offending damage enough on it.

in our best attempts to produce any sort of insane damage(10k+), she had to start the beam when i had around 15% hp or less, which should be normal for an execute.

That's the true issue with RO, none of the complainers really use it in solo/small group play and don't understand that it's DPS is already ridiculously low unless the target is at less that 10-15% health. People get hit with it in PvP for two ticks when they have 6000 health left and the first tick does a reasonable/underpowered 3000k damage but the tick that kills them overkills for 12k when they have 3K health and suddenly they're pissed because the death recap shows 15K damage in 2 seconds. Even with 35K max magic and 4k spell damage when I run solo (which is almost always) casting RO on anyone with more than 15% health is a total waste of magica since the ticks of damage are so low 90% of builds can outheal the DPS.

Morph that increased dmg by 20%
Double dips into cp so an easy 15%

Thats 35% more dmg than other executes.

I've 1 hit people plenty of times when they have been at 30%. The issue with beam with the range, the fact it's undodgeable as well. Plus the first tick in so quick the animation doesn't even appear.

If someone is at like 40% you press beam, 1s the second tick happens and there dead.

They have 1s to react or they die.

Yea, doubt that. The only people you can kill like that with it are noobs that get oneshot by anything. This doesn't even happen for me and i got 42k magicka, 7 light and 4.3 spell power.

itscompton

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

You forgot to mention they all probably only had 1500 spell damage as well.

itscompton

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itscompton wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itscompton wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

i was damage testing radiant destruction with my templar 561+ friend who runs full yellow damage gear(no sustain sets), food up, and entropy. i cannot agree with a 21% damage nerf on this ability. i wasn't seeing offending damage enough on it.

in our best attempts to produce any sort of insane damage(10k+), she had to start the beam when i had around 15% hp or less, which should be normal for an execute.

That's the true issue with RO, none of the complainers really use it in solo/small group play and don't understand that it's DPS is already ridiculously low unless the target is at less that 10-15% health. People get hit with it in PvP for two ticks when they have 6000 health left and the first tick does a reasonable/underpowered 3000k damage but the tick that kills them overkills for 12k when they have 3K health and suddenly they're pissed because the death recap shows 15K damage in 2 seconds. Even with 35K max magic and 4k spell damage when I run solo (which is almost always) casting RO on anyone with more than 15% health is a total waste of magica since the ticks of damage are so low 90% of builds can outheal the DPS.

Morph that increased dmg by 20%
Double dips into cp so an easy 15%

Thats 35% more dmg than other executes.

I've 1 hit people plenty of times when they have been at 30%. The issue with beam with the range, the fact it's undodgeable as well. Plus the first tick in so quick the animation doesn't even appear.

If someone is at like 40% you press beam, 1s the second tick happens and there dead.

They have 1s to react or they die.

All is see is: blah blah blah made up number, blah blah blah, made up number blah blah blah. Come back when you're not full of manure.

All i see is

Blah blah blah i can't handle the numbers and facts in a discussion blah blah i have no retort blah blah i'll just pretend it doesn't exist because i'm useless at balance blah blah let me cry some more about my easy mode skill.

I said come back when you're NOT full of manure, which obviously you still are.

thomas1970b16_ESO

Player versus Environment?

Lore_lai

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

WTF is this? LOL.
Congratulations on fighting pugs?
And if you got kills in there (because at one point it was so boring just watching you tank pugs and not even scratching them) you got them from - dun, dun duuuun - Destro Ulti (ya know - that super awesome "templar" ulti, right?)

An organized group of Sorcerers with the same number would have probably shut you down with Negates + Destro Ult + encase.

The only time I see you use Beam is when you literally disgustingly zerg someone down with your whole group + friendly pugs.
And even then it takes you all so long to get him. Y'all are so OP.

Paraflex

Lore_lai wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

WTF is this? LOL.
Congratulations on fighting pugs?
And if you got kills in there (because at one point it was so boring just watching you tank pugs and not even scratching them) you got them from - dun, dun duuuun - Destro Ulti (ya know - that super awesome "templar" ulti, right?)

An organized group of Sorcerers with the same number would have probably shut you down with Negates + Destro Ult + encase.

The only time I see you use Beam is when you literally disgustingly zerg someone down with your whole group + friendly pugs.
And even then it takes you all so long to get him. Y'all are so OP.

You do understand the main point of the video was to show Reactive Armor/Malubeth with A group stacked full of defensive BOL Templars. The video is a joke and it's not even close to a real PvP group but shows how defensive and resource draining a group full of Reactive/Malubeth Templars can be.

It was named house of cancer for a reason as we had no intention to kill people outside of cheese destro/RD abilities

@Lore_lai

BigES

Elsterchen wrote: »

BigES wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

No clue why they felt the need to increase Javelin speed.. think most people would agree that it is already fine as-is. Would much have preferred a working gapcloser, ie. one that doesn't get you killed due to skills becoming stuck or just entirely failing.

I never felt like the speed of the skill was an issue. It was already so fast, you could catch some people pre-Meteor in a duel before they could even block, which was a common combo.

It just seems like a consolation prize to the Blazing Spear nerf, when there is nothing wrong with that skill.

Javelin speed will just incentivize people to sit back and throw it annoyingly like they already do. Templar is an up close and personal class. They are slow. Javelin speed should not be an issue when you're on top of an opponent. Its the same reason Magicka Socs should be on top of the opponent when they go to cast Crystal Frag. Speed of the skill doesn't matter if you're not hiding in the background.

Which is why Blazing Spear works. Its a good "in your face" stun.

New Javelin will just become another annoyance ability for the already aggravating unkillable heavy armor templar healbots.

Javeline isn't a skill that i use when "on top" of an opponent and its range ability doesn't suggest its thought to be used this way imho. When used as a ranged skill it is lacking speed. I was ambushed more then once while trying to pull jacelline off trying to keep opponents away. The changes might solve this problem.

Blazing Spear solves spambush players. Well, not anymore.

You aren't going to Javelin someone to death at range. So when you CC, you need to be ready to combo. For both the stamplar and magplar, this means being on top of your opponent.

Lore_lai

So what?
You can make super-tank build on any class that can tank puggies, as per your vid. And then cheese them with Destro Ult.
Heck, on other class you might even kill better cos you would have access to better class ult/better CC/better soft CCs.
@Paraflex

BigES

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

If you make our channels un-interruptable and our projectiles un-reflectable, then maybe this would be okay. What are magicka templars supposed to use to dps? If we try to use sweeps, we get bashed. If we use Dark Flare, it's reflected. Our only reliable CC was blazing spear. The javelin is trash because it can be dodged/reflected. I guess we better get practice in with volcanic rune's tiny little radius for a reliable CC.

We have no mobility; we are the only class without a major expedition buff. We are the only class without a major sorcery buff in our class skill lines; we have to use entropy (which, bizarrely, can be reflected). Our class shield is based on health instead of magicka. Our major ward/resolve is only 8 seconds unless we stand in one place. We are the only class whose primary abilities are channeled/cast time. Yeah, Dark Flare gives an empower, but that's totally redundant to the empower we get from might of the guild, because remember we can only get major sorcery from entropy. You can completely neutralize a templar simply by bashing them when they cast, or using an interrupt. It's a joke, honestly.

The only "problem" with jesus beam is that the visual effect are so prominent and impossible to miss. People just perceive it as more deadly or overpowered only because they notice it hitting them. It's just a psychological thing. All the other executes in the game are barely noticeable. I notice mage's fury and impale because of the sound effects. Executioner is even more subtle. If jesus beam had subtle graphics, I doubt there would be complaints.

Sweeps isn't bashable.

100% agree that the majority of the jesus beam fear is the visual. Its aggregating just knowing that's on you. It also will cause enemies to focus you, because they visually see you're being executed. Its like highlighting the opponent so they get focused.

manny254

Paraflex wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Made a video of 13 Mag Templars all using Reactive Armor/BOL/RD/Malubeth. It's total cancer for PvP how in earth is this balanced?

https://youtu.be/Blq2gNrrbfQ

Problem I have with this video/group is

Heavy Armor is way to strong on Mag Templars

Stacking Reactive/Malubeth on a bunch of Mag Templars lets you outlast your opponents pretty easy.

I made this video hoping for some reductions to Heavy Armor and Malubeth to show the cancer these sets can make when combined on the right class.

Average Templar had

35k HP
30k Mag
32k Spell Resist
30k Physical Resist
1500-2200 Mag Recovery

Most had purple gear bought right from the Tel Var Merchant there was no need to upgrade it to yellow.

WTF is this? LOL.
Congratulations on fighting pugs?
And if you got kills in there (because at one point it was so boring just watching you tank pugs and not even scratching them) you got them from - dun, dun duuuun - Destro Ulti (ya know - that super awesome "templar" ulti, right?)

An organized group of Sorcerers with the same number would have probably shut you down with Negates + Destro Ult + encase.

The only time I see you use Beam is when you literally disgustingly zerg someone down with your whole group + friendly pugs.
And even then it takes you all so long to get him. Y'all are so OP.

You do understand the main point of the video was to show Reactive Armor/Malubeth with A group stacked full of defensive BOL Templars. The video is a joke and it's not even close to a real PvP group but shows how defensive and resource draining a group full of Reactive/Malubeth Templars can be.

It was named house of cancer for a reason as we had no intention to kill people outside of cheese destro/RD abilities

@Lore_lai

To me it looks like the point of the video is that you are standing in a zerg. Real templars want to have the class balanced to play when outnumbered without 20 pugs to do damage for them. If you want to actually have good fights I would recommend trying to play away from your faction and completely reliant on only your group. If you think sets and non class skills are broken then I suggest you complain about those sets/skills and not how powerful they are when you hide behind other players.