Miat's PVP alerts.

Armitas · December 2016

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Wouldn't it just remove stealth "1 shots" from the game? Afaik it just tells you when someone is near, not where they are. The "1 shot" from stealth has always been dumb, I can't seem to dig up any outrage over the loss of that from the game.

if will be not possible to 1shot people without proc set then ganging at all will be useless because most people after 1st hit are instantly break free if they wasnt afk/searching something in backpack etc and then fast dodge, heal etc and nothing from gang and then ganging will be possible only for noobs, begginers with rare chance to gang average player

I don't really see insta gib ganking as a valid play style. Stealth is supposed give you the ability to start with an advantage, not a win.

so then just remove NB class, because for what we have class which is created for stealth and is the most squishy class in open fight? if you have no cloak you are dead at all

I don't understand the context of your reply in relation to my post, are you under the belief that NBs are supposed to be an instagib class from stealth?

with perfect environment yes, not everyone but mostly people also who are in heavy armor but no as tank build

if we have assasin class who is unable to 1shot anyone from stealth so for what then is this class?

It's not an assassin class, it's a class with unique access to stealth. The class has no entitlement to 0 gameplay kills. That would be ridiculous.

take dueal as nb agains dk, templar or sorc, they all have many counters to cloak especially sorc with spam curse on you, you are then without cloak, so no dmg shields, no any class good heal, no anything than this cloak which is not working as intendeed in half of the time its easy peasy to fast kill nb while dk ofc in heavy armor, very good survivability with sustain, magplar same with survivability , sorc also...meh, only nb...just dont let him to use cloak and spam light attacks is enought to finish him without problems

Cloak is not supposed to be a toggle to combat, it's supposed to have counter measures. NB is just 1 out of 4 classes, it's not a "I get to do what I want with impunity because I play a rogue class." It's meant to be played for the win, not handed the win by virtue of their class type.

so for what is cloak if it should work in combat? give to nb a damage shield and great heal skill instead of cloak which is not supposed to work in combat.

same I cxan say about damage shield from sorc, this should work in combat because for what? stacked they have to big power, breath of life templar is huge heal which should be to healing outside combat in break of fight between bosses, trash etc to not wait until health will regen itself + where are potions/poisons to prevent use damage shields etc?

EDIT: and please show me hot to figh as nb in duel without cloak, without any better heal and dmg shield etc against any class

I think we may have a language barrier. When I say it's not supposed to be a toggle to combat I mean that cloak is not supposed to be a button that you press that just ends the fight. It is supposed be something you work for, and comes with counterplay. For example templars are a healing class, but there are defiles to help counter that healing. It's not intended for Templars to just be able to heal through all damage and never die because they are a healing class. They have counters in place to prevent that, so that hopefully all classes have a balance of viability toward the other classes. No class is entitled to be the other classes checkmate, the check mate comes internally through build and morph choices.

We are getting off topic, so make your reply if you wish and that will be it for this side discussion.

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2016

Thank god i play console. This is a terrible add-on to be used against nightblade's. Any nightblade who knows how to nightblade uses cloak and unstealths to regen stamina while invisible and then goes back into stealth so you dont have to spam cloak anymore.

Now players will know when you do this and be able to identify that you are around. This is a huge advantage because you can now pop a detection potion and bam you see them.

GG Zos. I feel bad for pc nb's.

Nifty2g · December 2016

How come we can have this addon but not group damage

#bringbackgroupdamage

JD2013 · December 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Thank god i play console. This is a terrible add-on to be used against nightblade's. Any nightblade who knows how to nightblade uses cloak and unstealths to regen stamina while invisible and then goes back into stealth so you dont have to spam cloak anymore.

Now players will know when you do this and be able to identify that you are around. This is a huge advantage because you can now pop a detection potion and bam you see them.

GG Zos. I feel bad for pc nb's.

ZOS didn't make the addon??

God_flakes · December 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Wow pc players really do need training wheels huh

I called Sypher out on his excessive add on use and got ridiculed for it. Understand it's JMO and I am somewhat of a game purist but I can't stand add ons. I run one and only one and have it set to tell me my critical damage. It doesn't scream "cleanse now!" and "potion now!" And "dodge roll now!" and "bio break now!" at me incessantly. That garbage would make me insane. Just let me PLAY. Why've can't people just PLAY? Why do ya'll need so many prompts when some of you are clearly very talented gamers?

Riejael · December 2016

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Here’s an explanation of how it works, and what it does and doesn’t do:

Everything that is described in the Addon's features on the website as well as your analysis, is actually quite interesting. The reason I say this is in Daybreak's Planetside 2, every feature you described and described by the addon's author is actually a BASE functionality to Planetside 2's User Interface.

Furthermore they provide a TCP/IP based API to allow their website and 3rd party websites to track in realtime such events across all of their servers for posterity and analysis.

The end result is players can see what killed them and why through analsysis. They can use overlays such as Recursion Realtime Stattracker (authorized by Daybreak to use over PS2) as a bit of a HUD to give them more informaiton about what, why, and how things are happening around them.

It also provides their Game Moderators (GMs) with an interesting deputized tool. To explain what I mean by this, I have to tell a little short story of something that happened:

I was browsing alert (alerts are bonus PVP events that give a boon to your empire, sort of like capturing an Elderscroll in Cyrodil) statistics on a 3rd party site. I noticed an anomaly. A burst fire weapon had ended up in the top 3 most killing weapons in the alert. That threw my data off. Furthermore.. it showed something else. The accuracy of the weapon was well over 90%. Impossible. Burst Fire weapons are used rarely and like most rifles, don't usually see above 40% accuracy. I also noticed that most kills were by headshots. Cheating going on? Well I delved a bit deeper to see what happened.

I was able to identify the user of the weapon. I looked up his user stats on the official PS2 website and was able to identfiy when he used the burst weapon. Same server and timeframe as the alert in question. All headshots, all on the same victim, all within seconds of the previous kill.

Not cheating. Stat padding. Imagine a buddy in Cyrodil who runs up to you and lets you kill him over and over. I'm sure this is against the rules by Zenimax as well.

Anyway, I took all my evidence, all my screenshots, and urls and sent them into support for a GM to look at. They thanked me for my ticket and off I went.

Well.. what happened to the guy? Well of course customer service cannot divulge that info. But I checked each day for a week to see if the person had logged in. He didn't. It was exactly 168 hours since CS thanked me for my report that the guy logged back in.

I assume he got a 7 day ban (7 times 24 is 168) for stat padding. Probably saw a rollback as well but that is beyond what the API could tell obviously.

Moral of the story is. While these addons and API's can give a player a considerable advantage to someone in some cases. They can provide invaluable tools to players and GM's in the form of evidence gathering. And simply alerting when something screwed up happens.

Of course its going to be up to you developers how much of pandora's box you want opened. There is far more number crunching going on in ESO than PS2. In PS2 a 200dmg weapon does 200 damage degraded over a minimum distance and is adjusted by 10, 15, 20, or 25% based on player armor ranks. Not 10000 or 6728, or 23895 resistance lowering a 1132 or a 1090 weapon and yeah you all get the idea.

But I figured I'd give the bit of insight so you can make a better informed decision. Personally I'll support either way you wish to go. I see the merits in both. Hopefully other players can as well.

smacx250 · December 2016

Regardless of if one believes the addon capabilities are good or not, I think it is terrific of the author that it was publicly released. Until now, this capability was really only available to those who were using it "privately". At least now it is out in the open.

RinaldoGandolphi · December 2016

Shame this kinda stuff is allowed....

Edziu · December 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Wouldn't it just remove stealth "1 shots" from the game? Afaik it just tells you when someone is near, not where they are. The "1 shot" from stealth has always been dumb, I can't seem to dig up any outrage over the loss of that from the game.

if will be not possible to 1shot people without proc set then ganging at all will be useless because most people after 1st hit are instantly break free if they wasnt afk/searching something in backpack etc and then fast dodge, heal etc and nothing from gang and then ganging will be possible only for noobs, begginers with rare chance to gang average player

I don't really see insta gib ganking as a valid play style. Stealth is supposed give you the ability to start with an advantage, not a win.

so then just remove NB class, because for what we have class which is created for stealth and is the most squishy class in open fight? if you have no cloak you are dead at all

I don't understand the context of your reply in relation to my post, are you under the belief that NBs are supposed to be an instagib class from stealth?

with perfect environment yes, not everyone but mostly people also who are in heavy armor but no as tank build

if we have assasin class who is unable to 1shot anyone from stealth so for what then is this class?

It's not an assassin class, it's a class with unique access to stealth. The class has no entitlement to 0 gameplay kills. That would be ridiculous.

take dueal as nb agains dk, templar or sorc, they all have many counters to cloak especially sorc with spam curse on you, you are then without cloak, so no dmg shields, no any class good heal, no anything than this cloak which is not working as intendeed in half of the time its easy peasy to fast kill nb while dk ofc in heavy armor, very good survivability with sustain, magplar same with survivability , sorc also...meh, only nb...just dont let him to use cloak and spam light attacks is enought to finish him without problems

Cloak is not supposed to be a toggle to combat, it's supposed to have counter measures. NB is just 1 out of 4 classes, it's not a "I get to do what I want with impunity because I play a rogue class." It's meant to be played for the win, not handed the win by virtue of their class type.

so for what is cloak if it should work in combat? give to nb a damage shield and great heal skill instead of cloak which is not supposed to work in combat.

same I cxan say about damage shield from sorc, this should work in combat because for what? stacked they have to big power, breath of life templar is huge heal which should be to healing outside combat in break of fight between bosses, trash etc to not wait until health will regen itself + where are potions/poisons to prevent use damage shields etc?

EDIT: and please show me hot to figh as nb in duel without cloak, without any better heal and dmg shield etc against any class

I think we may have a language barrier. When I say it's not supposed to be a toggle to combat I mean that cloak is not supposed to be a button that you press that just ends the fight. It is supposed be something you work for, and comes with counterplay. For example templars are a healing class, but there are defiles to help counter that healing. It's not intended for Templars to just be able to heal through all damage and never die because they are a healing class. They have counters in place to prevent that, so that hopefully all classes have a balance of viability toward the other classes. No class is entitled to be the other classes checkmate, the check mate comes internally through build and morph choices.

We are getting off topic, so make your reply if you wish and that will be it for this side discussion.

templar, get defile debuff>purify>problem solved

cloak at all have that many counters so you canprevent other nb going into hide for all time of this fight

and in back to you "problem" with mine 2 cents about 1shouting nb from stealth..

rogue class, so good mobility with stealth etc, perfect combination to ganging, at all its only class possible to effective ganging and most people are playing on nb only for this, so if will be not possible to 1shot someone then nb will be much useless on pvp

while we have tankly classes with tankly build who also have not low damage and can kill you but you have problem with kill them...at all its hard to kill them.

we have fake tankly build based on just heavy armor for more armor and thats all, just more resistances, they sacriface not much damage to more resistances to harder kill them

ofc gang a true tank is and impossible and shouldnt be possible but why then we shouldnt 1shot someone from stealth?

and to addon...if it is showing me when someone is entering to stealth its clear I will instantly start buffing etc and then chance to gang me will be less and almost impossible because of buffs

normally tank who dont know anything is able to gang gim, ofc not with 1shot, if he is to slow to fast break free then you have chance to finish him
now this tank will see you around if you will enter into stealth also behind wall or something and then he is full buffed and ehh...only way for you is just leavy him or he will also look for you and rekt, this is now stupid.

you have radiant mageligh which is often used on stam builds to defend from gang, now you have addon which will tell you you are possible to gang by someone and you dont need before spam skill to prevent gang on you

so its time to go play often on templar with radiant spam or other tankly class because gangers will be now much less problem and less playable because it not effective while anyone can know you are near in stealth

Wollust · December 2016

Quite the fuss over an addon that will most likely crash your game in the usual zergy environment

BuddyAces · December 2016

susmitds wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Considering Miat also has the personality to get very pissy when he gets killed or criticized in any form or fashion and then actually threatens people in game....he is the last person who should have this sort of "insider" information. Not surprising he developed this....doesn't shock me at all. What shocks me is Zos is allowing it. Very shameful.

@God_flakes I would say edit and remove the names before lock.

...I'm not even sure you know what's going on in this thread....Even Jessica used his name. Just wow...

Malamar1229 · December 2016

cheating, regardless how minimal, is cheating is cheating is cheating.

Nifty2g · December 2016

Malamar1229 wrote: »

cheating, regardless how minimal, is cheating is cheating is cheating.

elaborate how it's cheating when a few posts ago said zos are not taking action

JamieAubrey · December 2016

Well if I do end up being banned then I'll now what it was for lol

susmitds · December 2016

BuddyAces wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Considering Miat also has the personality to get very pissy when he gets killed or criticized in any form or fashion and then actually threatens people in game....he is the last person who should have this sort of "insider" information. Not surprising he developed this....doesn't shock me at all. What shocks me is Zos is allowing it. Very shameful.

@God_flakes I would say edit and remove the names before lock.

...I'm not even sure you know what's going on in this thread....Even Jessica used his name. Just wow...

Trust me naming and shaming does get threads locked. The post I quoted includes things unrelated to the add-on.

yodased · December 2016

What I don't understand though, is why is it o.k. for anyone to be able to instagib another player without that player being able to react, ever?

I have yet to have anyone explain that to me in a rational or logical way. This game is the only game aside from FPS I have ever seen a player be able to do that, simply kill another player within < 1 second and then scurry off.

Every MMO has rouges and gankers, sure, but they are not instagibs. They at least give you a second to recognize where the attack is coming from and do something about it.

This addon, I assume, was made to provide that basic tool, to know when you are about to be killed instantly.

I won't use it because I don't use addons, but I understand the need for it.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Thank you for the detailed reply. Have there been any internal discussions, or any upcoming plans, to institute a no add-ons or no UI PVP campaign?

There are quite a few people who truly enjoy the barebones original UI but are forced into using both add ons and "floaty number" ZOS made UI upgrades in order to maintain competitive balance.

You're welcome! Unfortunately, it isn't currently possible to disable addons for just one campaign and not the others.

Thanks for the reply! If it ever happens to become possible some of us would very much appreciate it!

Also, quadruple sized elephant mounts that can carry siege and a merchant. Haha. One thing at a time though. :-)

Gilvoth · December 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

cheating, regardless how minimal, is cheating is cheating is cheating.

elaborate how it's cheating when a few posts ago said zos are not taking action

is easier to just give an example,

example:

just like where we see the use of animation canceling, it was debated for a while, and then allowed to be used.

end of example:

here we see in the above example that zenimax examined the event in detail and decided that they were not able to recode it as simply as they wanted to and allowed it to continue.
thus even going as far as to call it "intended" and "an ability to increase damage"

the end result:

it is cheating, but, if worded properly with a golden tongue it is then considered "the norm" and allowed to take place even tho many reject it's existance.

Chori · December 2016

yodased wrote: »

What I don't understand though, is why is it o.k. for anyone to be able to instagib another player without that player being able to react, ever?

I have yet to have anyone explain that to me in a rational or logical way. This game is the only game aside from FPS I have ever seen a player be able to do that, simply kill another player within < 1 second and then scurry off.

Every MMO has rouges and gankers, sure, but they are not instagibs. They at least give you a second to recognize where the attack is coming from and do something about it.

This addon, I assume, was made to provide that basic tool, to know when you are about to be killed instantly.

I won't use it because I don't use addons, but I understand the need for it.

You dont get it, if someone is about to insta gib you like you said, you will still die whether you use the addon or not.
The addon doesnt decrease the amount of burst you get from someone running that kind of setup.

If im using line of sight on your area not even stealth, and you have not seen me but I buff and I charge a heavy attack, WHY should you know that I'm doing it when you are not aware of me being there to begin with? WHY should you get a list of players around you that you havent seen yet because they are either LoSing you or because you dont have enough awareness to know about it?

That's the flaw, and the fact you get to know who is, and also the fact that the addon provides a clear advantage over the people who doesn't use it. It is ridiculous and not just from a nightblade point of view.

Edziu · December 2016

yodased wrote: »

What I don't understand though, is why is it o.k. for anyone to be able to instagib another player without that player being able to react, ever?

I have yet to have anyone explain that to me in a rational or logical way. This game is the only game aside from FPS I have ever seen a player be able to do that, simply kill another player within < 1 second and then scurry off.

Every MMO has rouges and gankers, sure, but they are not instagibs. They at least give you a second to recognize where the attack is coming from and do something about it.

This addon, I assume, was made to provide that basic tool, to know when you are about to be killed instantly.

I won't use it because I don't use addons, but I understand the need for it.

at all here in ESO if you dont fast kill your target fast as possible or atleast if he had more health/armor finish him with 2nd attack then its mostly you are unable to do him more, you can just run...or in mostly situations you are dying because of many counter or not working cloak.

in other mmo's you can or easily escape with fail or still you have chance to finish him while here if you dont finish him you will never finish him with this failgang or you have not hight chance to escape because of as I wrote, broken cloak+ many counters to this

chaserstorm16909 · December 2016

I can't believe ZOS is allowing this. Haven't they given us enough options to counteract stealth already? Glad I am on console.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

There is a lot more addons then this that might raise an ear . This one seems tamer then some of the more intrusive ones out there . There was one that was radar awhile back tat used footstep sounds to track enemy stealthed players . You could tell when you were spotted without detection pots . Very nasty intrusive addon . There are more and like already stated mostly secret .

It's a shame some of these exist as in my opinion they can and very often do give an unfair advantage over other players . I'm aware when I walk into Cyrodiil cheating exists and con never be stopped completely . I go in telling myself it's going to happen and if I'm not in the mood to deal with , PvP in a monitored game , not here . Saves me a whole lot of upset . So no salt here at all . I have a choice .

Malamar1229 · December 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

cheating, regardless how minimal, is cheating is cheating is cheating.

elaborate how it's cheating when a few posts ago said zos are not taking action

I didnt make the correlation, you did. I was just simply stating that cheating is cheating.

Waffennacht · December 2016

Where it still busts the game, for a lot of players would be an example of:

Im roaming Cropsford (alone as usual) unknown to me (cause im turning in a quest etc) a player spots me as they come to cropsford.

They enter stealth - normally I'm still unaware, opponent sneaks up and attacks

Now with this addon I'm alerted the moment that player enters stealth, as I'm all alone I know it's after me.

I hit surge, ward etc.

More than likely the poor fool that's stealthed is now the one at a disadvantage! Because he doesn't know I know he's there, when he attacks it's gonna be bad for him! He doesn't get an add on saying "They know you're there!"

It doesn't need to tell me like a radar where he is, all I need to know that he is there.

Or to be a jerk I could just pop a detect pot and get on horseback and ride in widdening circles till the player is found.

Not to mention if it gets a player's name, if I killed that player and I'm alerted the player went stealth Im pretty sure he is after me.

The opposing player is then very confused as to why his stealth is broken, makes a forum account and makes a thread, where we all tell him it's working as intended just like the 3 months we knew about it.

Dorrino · December 2016

Addon author chiming in:)

First let me thank @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and other members of ZOS team who reverse engineered my addon and laid out what exactly it does in a clear manner.

I also want to say i do appreciate ANY feedback regarding the addon and myself. Good or bad. Just please try to refrain from personal insults and keep the discussion in a civil manner. Thank you.

Now let me comment on the addon, my intentions and the result in a Q&A style:

Q: How this addon came to be?

A: In the current state of stealth ganks in PVP right now, unfortunately we're facing the situation when no amount of crit resistance will save you from a guy one-shotting you from stealth if you're running medium or light armor. At some point i had a thought that i would be awesome if ZOS changed the stealth mechanics to make channeled abilities to get you out of stealth at the beginning of their cast instead of when they hit something.

I made some tests and realized that the game already provides the event for when the attack starts. The event contains full information about the attack including source and target names.

Knowing that making an addon what pops a notification on this event was trivial. At this point i already realized this gonna be big, but i didn't know yet how big it would end up being.

But i still had to figure out how to know if he was in stealth, while charging this attack. I did more tests i found out a way to do that. That way though opened a 'Pandora Box'. I figured out that know i can get much more information than just whether the guy is in stealth or not. And so i did:)

After i did all that i realized that even though i know the name of the attacker and a bunch of other info about him i can't get any information out of the name itself. I don't know his faction, class - basically nothing besides his name. Thus, quite naturally i came up with the concept of database. The database was the link between 'somebody' doing actions in the world and a particular person having char name, account name etc etc.

Only the combination of all these discoveries allowed me to build the addon the way i wanted.

And here it is.

Q: Do you find any of the features of the addon unfair?

A: No i don't. I made them exactly to make the pvp environment both more clear and more fair. This is coming from a guy mainly playing stam nb.

Q: Did you know many people would be against this addon when you open it to public?

A: I definitely did. This addon changes the way people experience Cyrodiil quite drastically. What i see on the forums now was expected (besdies detailed post of @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ). In my mind the addon makes Cyrodiil a better pvp experience. Your definition of 'better' might be different. I accept that.

Q: Did you expect ZOS to make some actions to prevent some or all the features of the addon to work in the result of the complaints?

A: Yes i did. I wasn't an easy decision to make this addon public. Not because i wanted to keep the addon for myself. I didn't and i don't. I released it as soon as it was ready and thoroughly tested.

The only real reason for my hesitation was that i was afraid of knee-jerk reaction from developers. If i were them i'd disable the addon on the spot and only THEN started the internal discussion on what parts of it can be allowed:)

Q: Why did you released it then?

A: The addon is supposed to make the playfield between stealthers and non-stealthers more even. Not the playfield between me and everybody else:) I truly want everybody to use it and enjoy its perks.

Basically i'd be happy if ZOS added some (all) of its features to the base ui (or allowed it to be). Can we do it, dear ZOS?:)

I agree that stealth detection feature will be over the top IF and ONLY IF ZOS fixes stealth ganks and stealth in general. In my personal opinion attacking from stealth is huge advantage in itself. Now add oneshots to the picture and stealths becomes out of control. And this is what we have now in pvp. This is my opinion. I'm aware there can be other opinions. This is fine.

I implemented the features the addon has because i personally wanted them to be in the game. I find them fun and engaging. Other people might disagree. That's fine. This is my vision.

Q: What would you do if/when they ban it?

A: I will make some other addon if the game will still be engaging enough for me. I'd be happy if we can find a happy medium here though, where some features will be allowed to stay. But i'm prepared to 'accept my fate':)

In conclusion i want to say i

you all:)

Dear ZOS, please continue to make this game the way you do, so people like me still manage to have fun in it after years of playing. You all rock (even Wrobel)!

Miat

KramUzibra · December 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Sometiimes I'm really happy to be on console.

This is one of those times.

Haha same!

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Dorrino wrote: »

Addon author chiming in:)

First let me thank @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and other members of ZOS team who reverse engineered my addon and laid out what exactly it does in a clear manner.

I also want to say i do appreciate ANY feedback regarding the addon and myself. Good or bad. Just please try to refrain from personal insults and keep the discussion in a civil manner. Thank you.

Now let me comment on the addon, my intentions and the result in a Q&A style:

Q: How this addon came to be?

A: In the current state of stealth ganks in PVP right now, unfortunately we're facing the situation when no amount of crit resistance will save you from a guy one-shotting you from stealth if you're running medium or light armor. At some point i had a thought that i would be awesome if ZOS changed the stealth mechanics to make channeled abilities to get you out of stealth at the beginning of their cast instead of when they hit something.

I made some tests and realized that the game already provides the event for when the attack starts. The event contains full information about the attack including source and target names.

Knowing that making an addon what pops a notification on this event was trivial. At this point i already realized this gonna be big, but i didn't know yet how big it would end up being.

But i still had to figure out how to know if he was in stealth, while charging this attack. I did more tests i found out a way to do that. That way though opened a 'Pandora Box'. I figured out that know i can get much more information than just whether the guy is in stealth or not. And so i did:)

After i did all that i realized that even though i know the name of the attacker and a bunch of other info about him i can't get any information out of the name itself. I don't know his faction, class - basically nothing besides his name. Thus, quite naturally i came up with the concept of database. The database was the link between 'somebody' doing actions in the world and a particular person having char name, account name etc etc.

Only the combination of all these discoveries allowed me to build the addon the way i wanted.

And here it is.

Q: Do you find any of the features of the addon unfair?

A: No i don't. I made them exactly to make the pvp environment both more clear and more fair. This is coming from a guy mainly playing stam nb.

Q: Did you know many people would be against this addon when you open it to public?

A: I definitely did. This addon changes the way people experience Cyrodiil quite drastically. What i see on the forums now was expected (besdies detailed post of @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ). In my mind the addon makes Cyrodiil a better pvp experience. Your definition of 'better' might be different. I accept that.

Q: Did you expect ZOS to make some actions to prevent some or all the features of the addon to work in the result of the complaints?

A: Yes i did. I wasn't an easy decision to make this addon public. Not because i wanted to keep the addon for myself. I didn't and i don't. I released it as soon as it was ready and thoroughly tested.

The only real reason for my hesitation was that i was afraid of knee-jerk reaction from developers. If i were them i'd disable the addon on the spot and only THEN started the internal discussion on what parts of it can be allowed:)

Q: Why did you released it then?

A: The addon is supposed to make the playfield between stealthers and non-stealthers more even. Not the playfield between me and everybody else:) I truly want everybody to use it and enjoy its perks.

Basically i'd be happy if ZOS added some (all) of its features to the base ui (or allowed it to be). Can we do it, dear ZOS?:)

I agree that stealth detection feature will be over the top IF and ONLY IF ZOS fixes stealth ganks and stealth in general. In my personal opinion attacking from stealth is huge advantage in itself. Now add oneshots to the picture and stealths becomes out of control. And this is what we have now in pvp. This is my opinion. I'm aware there can be other opinions. This is fine.

I implemented the features the addon has because i personally wanted them to be in the game. I find them fun and engaging. Other people might disagree. That's fine. This is my vision.

Q: What would you do if/when they ban it?

A: I will make some other addon if the game will still be engaging enough for me. I'd be happy if we can find a happy medium here though, where some features will be allowed to stay. But i'm prepared to 'accept my fate':)

In conclusion i want to say i you all:)

Dear ZOS, please continue to make this game the way you do, so people like me still manage to have fun in it after years of playing. You all rock (even Wrobel)!

Miat

I have a question not in the pre written Q&A . What other addons have you written ? Can we get a full list ?

Edziu · December 2016

@Dorrino if now everyone will see when you charging your attack from stelth and then fast they comming intodefense and you have very small chance to kill someone froms tealth....new blazingplar comming into cyrodil! eventually heavy armored tankly dk as just on of the best chars to open fight, I see less population of easy ap from NB etc just because you have eyes in back your head and have you a magical eye which see when someone is going into hide behind rock or something and you see while invisible attack is charging into you, very damn logical.....

now waiting for addon which will automaticallly cast any hard cc after cc immune end on your target

Waffennacht · December 2016

Dorrino wrote: »

Addon author chiming in:)

First let me thank @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and other members of ZOS team who reverse engineered my addon and laid out what exactly it does in a clear manner.

I also want to say i do appreciate ANY feedback regarding the addon and myself. Good or bad. Just please try to refrain from personal insults and keep the discussion in a civil manner. Thank you.

Now let me comment on the addon, my intentions and the result in a Q&A style:

Q: How this addon came to be?

A: In the current state of stealth ganks in PVP right now, unfortunately we're facing the situation when no amount of crit resistance will save you from a guy one-shotting you from stealth if you're running medium or light armor. At some point i had a thought that i would be awesome if ZOS changed the stealth mechanics to make channeled abilities to get you out of stealth at the beginning of their cast instead of when they hit something.

I made some tests and realized that the game already provides the event for when the attack starts. The event contains full information about the attack including source and target names.

Knowing that making an addon what pops a notification on this event was trivial. At this point i already realized this gonna be big, but i didn't know yet how big it would end up being.

But i still had to figure out how to know if he was in stealth, while charging this attack. I did more tests i found out a way to do that. That way though opened a 'Pandora Box'. I figured out that know i can get much more information than just whether the guy is in stealth or not. And so i did:)

After i did all that i realized that even though i know the name of the attacker and a bunch of other info about him i can't get any information out of the name itself. I don't know his faction, class - basically nothing besides his name. Thus, quite naturally i came up with the concept of database. The database was the link between 'somebody' doing actions in the world and a particular person having char name, account name etc etc.

Only the combination of all these discoveries allowed me to build the addon the way i wanted.

And here it is.

Q: Do you find any of the features of the addon unfair?

A: No i don't. I made them exactly to make the pvp environment both more clear and more fair. This is coming from a guy mainly playing stam nb.

Q: Did you know many people would be against this addon when you open it to public?

A: I definitely did. This addon changes the way people experience Cyrodiil quite drastically. What i see on the forums now was expected (besdies detailed post of @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ). In my mind the addon makes Cyrodiil a better pvp experience. Your definition of 'better' might be different. I accept that.

Q: Did you expect ZOS to make some actions to prevent some or all the features of the addon to work in the result of the complaints?

A: Yes i did. I wasn't an easy decision to make this addon public. Not because i wanted to keep the addon for myself. I didn't and i don't. I released it as soon as it was ready and thoroughly tested.

The only real reason for my hesitation was that i was afraid of knee-jerk reaction from developers. If i were them i'd disable the addon on the spot and only THEN started the internal discussion on what parts of it can be allowed:)

Q: Why did you released it then?

A: The addon is supposed to make the playfield between stealthers and non-stealthers more even. Not the playfield between me and everybody else:) I truly want everybody to use it and enjoy its perks.

Basically i'd be happy if ZOS added some (all) of its features to the base ui (or allowed it to be). Can we do it, dear ZOS?:)

I agree that stealth detection feature will be over the top IF and ONLY IF ZOS fixes stealth ganks and stealth in general. In my personal opinion attacking from stealth is huge advantage in itself. Now add oneshots to the picture and stealths becomes out of control. And this is what we have now in pvp. This is my opinion. I'm aware there can be other opinions. This is fine.

I implemented the features the addon has because i personally wanted them to be in the game. I find them fun and engaging. Other people might disagree. That's fine. This is my vision.

Q: What would you do if/when they ban it?

A: I will make some other addon if the game will still be engaging enough for me. I'd be happy if we can find a happy medium here though, where some features will be allowed to stay. But i'm prepared to 'accept my fate':)

In conclusion i want to say i you all:)

Dear ZOS, please continue to make this game the way you do, so people like me still manage to have fun in it after years of playing. You all rock (even Wrobel)!

Miat

Aka: I didn't like how the developers made their game, so I decided to change it.

Wow, what an ego

Nifty2g · December 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

Addon author chiming in:)

First let me thank @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and other members of ZOS team who reverse engineered my addon and laid out what exactly it does in a clear manner.

I also want to say i do appreciate ANY feedback regarding the addon and myself. Good or bad. Just please try to refrain from personal insults and keep the discussion in a civil manner. Thank you.

Now let me comment on the addon, my intentions and the result in a Q&A style:

Q: How this addon came to be?

A: In the current state of stealth ganks in PVP right now, unfortunately we're facing the situation when no amount of crit resistance will save you from a guy one-shotting you from stealth if you're running medium or light armor. At some point i had a thought that i would be awesome if ZOS changed the stealth mechanics to make channeled abilities to get you out of stealth at the beginning of their cast instead of when they hit something.

I made some tests and realized that the game already provides the event for when the attack starts. The event contains full information about the attack including source and target names.

Knowing that making an addon what pops a notification on this event was trivial. At this point i already realized this gonna be big, but i didn't know yet how big it would end up being.

But i still had to figure out how to know if he was in stealth, while charging this attack. I did more tests i found out a way to do that. That way though opened a 'Pandora Box'. I figured out that know i can get much more information than just whether the guy is in stealth or not. And so i did:)

After i did all that i realized that even though i know the name of the attacker and a bunch of other info about him i can't get any information out of the name itself. I don't know his faction, class - basically nothing besides his name. Thus, quite naturally i came up with the concept of database. The database was the link between 'somebody' doing actions in the world and a particular person having char name, account name etc etc.

Only the combination of all these discoveries allowed me to build the addon the way i wanted.

And here it is.

Q: Do you find any of the features of the addon unfair?

A: No i don't. I made them exactly to make the pvp environment both more clear and more fair. This is coming from a guy mainly playing stam nb.

Q: Did you know many people would be against this addon when you open it to public?

A: I definitely did. This addon changes the way people experience Cyrodiil quite drastically. What i see on the forums now was expected (besdies detailed post of @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ). In my mind the addon makes Cyrodiil a better pvp experience. Your definition of 'better' might be different. I accept that.

Q: Did you expect ZOS to make some actions to prevent some or all the features of the addon to work in the result of the complaints?

A: Yes i did. I wasn't an easy decision to make this addon public. Not because i wanted to keep the addon for myself. I didn't and i don't. I released it as soon as it was ready and thoroughly tested.

The only real reason for my hesitation was that i was afraid of knee-jerk reaction from developers. If i were them i'd disable the addon on the spot and only THEN started the internal discussion on what parts of it can be allowed:)

Q: Why did you released it then?

A: The addon is supposed to make the playfield between stealthers and non-stealthers more even. Not the playfield between me and everybody else:) I truly want everybody to use it and enjoy its perks.

Basically i'd be happy if ZOS added some (all) of its features to the base ui (or allowed it to be). Can we do it, dear ZOS?:)

I agree that stealth detection feature will be over the top IF and ONLY IF ZOS fixes stealth ganks and stealth in general. In my personal opinion attacking from stealth is huge advantage in itself. Now add oneshots to the picture and stealths becomes out of control. And this is what we have now in pvp. This is my opinion. I'm aware there can be other opinions. This is fine.

I implemented the features the addon has because i personally wanted them to be in the game. I find them fun and engaging. Other people might disagree. That's fine. This is my vision.

Q: What would you do if/when they ban it?

A: I will make some other addon if the game will still be engaging enough for me. I'd be happy if we can find a happy medium here though, where some features will be allowed to stay. But i'm prepared to 'accept my fate':)

In conclusion i want to say i you all:)

Dear ZOS, please continue to make this game the way you do, so people like me still manage to have fun in it after years of playing. You all rock (even Wrobel)!

Miat

Aka: I didn't like how the developers made their game, so I decided to change it.

Wow, what an ego

mfw people twist words that heavily, did you even read what he wrote