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  • Tryxus
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    You need an addon to find stealthed players?
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  • IronCrystal
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    Does anyone on PC actually want to play the game anymore? If your training wheels got any larger your PC is gonna start looking like Gravedigger.
    mb10 wrote: »
    Lmao remove add ons from most PC players and you'll see their lack of genuine skill
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    Wow pc players really do need training wheels huh

    It's not like everyone uses every addon. Most players have never even heard of this addon. Saying PC players have no skill is insanely bias. Most addons are for quality of life.
    Make PC NA raiding great again!

    Down with drama!


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  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    You need an addon to find stealthed players?

    I have an add on called inner light. I add it onto my skill bar like I'm supposed to.
  • DocFrost72
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    You need an addon to find stealthed players?

    I have an add on called inner light. I add it onto my skill bar like I'm supposed to.

    I have this awesome add on I brew in my alchemy lab. I call it meth- I mean, detect pots.

    Seriously, with all the counters to stealth do people really need to completely remove the mechanic?
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    I am really glad that the authors of this addon released this information to the community. It shows the real definition of "L2P" and "get gud" in the context of PvP.

    I think it might be time for other top guilds to release their "unofficial addons" as well so we can all see what everyone has been using to gain competitive advantage over others that run an unmodified game.

    If you think that this is the only thing people are using in PvP to get an advantage over players not in the know, you are deluding yourself. The fact that people are astonished and didn't even know this was possible, speaks more to what was not published rather than what was.
    Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on December 16, 2016 5:06PM
  • alexkdd99
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    Recremen wrote: »
    I heard this addon makes PvP unplayable for the user in anything close to a big fight, and that it allows super-cheaty info to come through like when an enemy player is stealthed near you. Confirm/Deny?

    Pretty much what I'm reading. While it's not drawing an arrow to the ganker, why on earth would you ride solo into a place where 5 "player X is in stealth within X feet" banners scroll onto your screen?

    I'm a Magplar and I feel bad for Nightblades on this one. Also, glad I have 400 invis potions that would be rendered useless when I want to burn siege.

    This is EXACTLY why I play on console. I'm sure there will be a convoluted defense about how this isn't cheating, and how you don't have to use it, but there is no way this could be available and someone not have to use it.

    I don't know, not sure this can be defended. This is to far, and I am one to defend people being able to do what they want. This is ridiculous and not sure how it is not seen as cheating. Never thought I would be happy consoles don't have addon's.
  • Gilvoth
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    is there a skill that can be like HUGE radius of whirling wind that forces people out of stealth ?

    yes there is

    is there a set of armor that shoots fireballs at people whom are stealth any where around you in a large radius ? even in side Buildings near you ?

    yes, there is

    how about add-ons that allow you to detect even players skills, including thier health amount and even if that player is a warewolf or a vampire, and players hidden around you in a Large radius [including the players name and skills they have slotted] ?

    yes, yes, yes there is.

    is it allowed by zenimax ?

    ofcourse it is.






    Edited by Gilvoth on December 16, 2016 5:11PM
  • Armitas
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    Eso now directly links to esoui so if its on there then ot would be ridiculous to ban for it.
    Retired.
    Nord mDK
  • Gilvoth
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    I am really glad that the authors of this addon released this information to the community. It shows the real definition of "L2P" and "get gud" in the context of PvP.

    I think it might be time for other top guilds to release their "unofficial addons" as well so we can all see what everyone has been using to gain competitive advantage over others that run an unmodified game.

    If you think that this is the only thing people are using in PvP to get an advantage over players not in the know, you are deluding yourself. The fact that people are astonished and didn't even know this was possible, speaks more to what was not published rather than what was.

    all truth, awesome post and well said.
    horrible reality.

    what is wrong with me ?
    am i stupid to spend my real life money and almost ALL of my free time for enjoyment here on this game ?
    i must be one of the most stupid and trusting people on earth. but, i have hope, because it looks like i am not alone as there are other people here with me playing this game.

    Edited by Gilvoth on December 16, 2016 5:18PM
  • Alcast
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    People seem to have forgotten that cheatengine still works. This addon is the least of the problems
    Edited by Alcast on December 16, 2016 5:19PM
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  • SanTii.92
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    Alcast wrote: »
    People seem to have forgotten that cheatengine still works. This addon is only one of many that are not "approved"

    uhm, seriously? Not even remotely comparable.
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    the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.

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  • Lewandowsky
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    This blows up stealth and surprise in a game with an assassin class. I'm quitting this game if this isn't made unworkable soon, players knowing I'm there and when to block a stealthed attack destroys the play style I most enjoy.
  • Tryxus
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    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Tryxus wrote: »
    You need an addon to find stealthed players?

    I have an add on called inner light. I add it onto my skill bar like I'm supposed to.

    I have this awesome add on I brew in my alchemy lab. I call it meth- I mean, detect pots.

    Seriously, with all the counters to stealth do people really need to completely remove the mechanic?

    This, and Piercing Mark. Keeps my brethren out of the shadows :p
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  • SanTii.92
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    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Every thing on this is really cool except for blatantly gimping nightblades of their entire class identity. Sorry man, gotta revisit that one :(

    I'm sorry, but that's not addon's author call, but zos to determine if this should or shouldn't be allowed.
    Edited by SanTii.92 on December 16, 2016 5:44PM
    When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
    the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.

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  • DocFrost72
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    SanTii.92 wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    People seem to have forgotten that cheatengine still works. This addon is only one of many that are not "approved"

    uhm, seriously? Not even remotely comparable.

    Correct. CE is FAR more aggregious, but the addon does entirely remove stealth from the game. While a good player is always kind of ready for a gank, you don't seriously believe being able to tell name, faction, and number without seeing then or using pots is fair, do you?
  • Dreyloch
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    The way I understand this stealth part is that you know when stealth players are around you. You can't see them, but it would make you want to use a detect pot or cast Mage light to find them. Which IMO is cheating.
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  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Alcast wrote: »
    People seem to have forgotten that cheatengine still works. This addon is the least of the problems

    Makes me worried for the life of this thread. It's begging to be censored/deleted/ or sunk of the main page so that people don't know this is possible.

    Here is a plea to anyone reading this thread that thinks open discussion (on the general forums section) about this is important. Please consider the following.
    • Do NOT make any personal attacks or accusations of cheating against specific players in this thread
    • Do not discus cheat engine or how to cheat. Discussion of cheats is only allowed in the official cheat thread.
    • Make calm and reasoned arguments using lots of big words, this reduces the chance of your post getting pulled. I have tested it.
    • Don't do anything in this thread that would violate or appear to violate the TOS or trigger the mods so that there is an excuse for censorship.
    • Be calm, happy and use lots of emojiis :smile::grin:

    If you see anyone in this thread doing something that would jeopardize the uncensored status of this thread, send them a PM and ask them politely to edit their comment. Lets keep this thread open and keep the discussion going.

    Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on December 16, 2016 5:30PM
  • Armitas
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    Wouldn't it just remove stealth "1 shots" from the game? Afaik it just tells you when someone is near, not where they are. The "1 shot" from stealth has always been dumb, I can't seem to dig up any outrage over the loss of that from the game.
    Retired.
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  • Magus
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    Surely since gankers talk about how much skill there is with landing 3+ attacks simultaneously with additional procs, they will be fine.

    This will probably get changed by ZOS but since it's basically Christmas and they have a roll out of new patch in February. Doubt we will see this change until after February.

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  • Preyfar
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    This explains so much -- how I can be sitting in IC stealthed but out of the way, somebody comes in the area and seems to instantly know I'm there, but not where.
  • Lewandowsky
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    Magus wrote: »
    SurelyDoubt we will see this change until after February.

    Then I'm gone.
    Preyfar wrote: »
    This explains so much -- how I can be sitting in IC stealthed but out of the way, somebody comes in the area and seems to instantly know I'm there, but not where.

    I've noticed huge changes too. People buffing dismounting searching when they shouldn't know you're there. Fatal.
  • gard
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    I think this is BS, and I don't even play a stealth character in pvp.

    This reminds me a lot of Odin's Eye from DAoC. That nearly ruined pvp in that game.
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  • ssewallb14_ESO
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    inb4 6 months of this. I'm glad I don't gank, RIP my bomber though.
  • Magus
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    They could hotfix it but there's so many dependencies it would probably break other things in the game. Also, this only affects PVP not PVE. So, my original estimate of fixing this after February housing patch is what I'm going with. If this affected PVE, it would be changed this week.
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  • Gilvoth
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    it says,
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    2. Counter of players around you. Provides the numbers of all players (white number) and players of a specific faction (colored numbers) in a large radius around you. You can mouseover the colored number and as long as it's not zero you will get a list of all detected players of the corresponding faction. Alternatively you can use the keybinds to show/hide the lists.

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    so this can work on all stelthed players. his does not target nightblades specificly as there are Very often times you will see whole groups and even guilds going stealth to attack castles.
    this add-on would completely remove that from happening.
    infact this could remove a large portion of fun from the game in total.
    even including people unsubing and quiting.
  • Kutsuu
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    This addon is 2 days old... and this thread is probably the biggest exposure it's gotten so far. Obviously not everyone uses it...... YET.
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  • Spuddlethud
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    To those that argue there are already methods to detect stealth players, you are absolutely correct.

    The problem is that this add-on allows you to detect players without pots, mage light, special sets, or anything else. What that means is that you don't have to adjust your build, your bars, or even your quickslots with POTS to detect stealth...that is bypassing the game's mechanics with a 3rd party tool which would basically mean it's a cheat or exploit. Even if the API allows for it at this moment. Just like other exploits, the fact that you can do it does not mean that it's explicitly intentional.

    True it doesn't put a bulls-eye on the person in stealth, but it does make it very clear to you that someone is about to hit you from stealth which gives you the ability to dodge roll before you are hit. That basically removes one of the primary purposes for stealth in PVP and disables a significant part of a class that is built specifically for stealth.


    Personally I hate stealth gankers, but I don't blame them for doing it. It's a great way to get AP. The problem is that ZOS has so much imbalance in the game currently with proc sets, and crazy buff stacking, and just flat bugs, that it's become ridiculous.

    The only game balance "fix" I can think of is to introduce a mechanic that does a % check when you start channeling a skill from stealth that will cause you to come out of stealth and remove any attack bonuses you might have gained. IMO you should only have about a 30% chance of "procing" the stealth damage bonus. I also think if you are moving whatsoever when in stealth and within my LOS and about 25m that there should be a high % chance that you will be revealed. The fact that you can walk right in front of someone without any detection is just silly.
  • Greifenherz
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    infact this could remove a large portion of fun from the game in total.
    even including people unsubing and quiting.

    I gave you an awesome cuz first time I read it I thought people unsubbing and quitting was part of the game's fun for you. :D Gave me a chuckle!
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Magus wrote: »
    They could hotfix it but there's so many dependencies it would probably break other things in the game. Also, this only affects PVP not PVE. So, my original estimate of fixing this after February housing patch is what I'm going with. If this affected PVE, it would be changed this week.

    My prediction is that this thread just gets buried and any discussion of this just gets censored. Even though this is also being actively discussed on reddit and other forums and the Kahjiit is well out of the bag.

    But ZOS seems to like to return to the old "Sweep it under the rug" trick. Security by obscurity. Or maybe they can turn a new leaf and start being open and honest with the PvP community, the state of PvP in their game and their vision for the future.
    Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on December 16, 2016 5:46PM
  • Gilvoth
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    Magus wrote: »
    If this affected PVE, it would be changed this week.

    thats not correct.
    there are many stealthed PVE players in eso that will attack you from stealth and invisibility,
    think about dolemens,
    there are human like daedra that use invisibility, and attack with ultimates from stealth.
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