Official Discussion Thread for "ESO Welcomes Crown Crates"

JimT722

Pathfinder wrote: »

Why oh why can't we buy Crown gems for Crowns???????

Because at that point they wouldn't need a second digital currency.

Adding a second digital currency is a clear indication that your getting screwed.

BigBragg

Disappointed that the chance for certain items is only available through them. I like the Red Pitt Wolf and pups, and would gladly buy them outright. However you I am not interested in played the odds at a slim chance for them.

shadoza

XRavishX wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

MBite wrote: »

"ESO Welcomes Crown Crates"

Ok guys, put your hands up, i want to see who welcomes them. No dont be shy, i dont have axe, maybe... no no, just put your hands up.


Anyway, trash for 400 crowns, thats must buy /s
I'm waiting to see what items will be only exclusive in future, I hope nothing. Sadly hope died today.

O/
I welcome them. I have many crowns and nothing I want to purchase in the store...so now I have a place to put those membership crowns

@shadoza

Then why not advocate for the items to be sold directly, instead of having to gamble for them? You'd still have a place to spend all the crowns that you're apparently sitting around on. I mean you do actually want the items, right? And hey, you know what's even better about direct sales? You actually get the goods and services you were looking for! So if you want the items locked behind the gambling boxes, you ought to be super ticked that you might spend all those crowns you have saved up and not get anything.

Some might actually have fun gambling. Otherwise, casinos and bingo wouldn't exist. If I spend money on the gambling boxes I am purchasing them with the understand that most of the time I will "lose" as that's the nature of gambling. I really don't see how this concept is so difficult for people to understand. Some people actually like gambling and don't mind spending their money on the chance to win something. I said the CHANCE. That is gambling!

Gambling is a form of entertainment. It is no more a waste of money than going to the bar, theater, or doing something else one enjoys. People do not need to overspend or ruin a budget to enjoy the gambling games. Some of the gambling games can be play via video without money. For those that enjoy the process, the reward is in the playing not in what might be won.

Als3rd

First, let me state that this post is ONLY for ZOS TOP MANAGEMENT - The Decision Makers.

I think the Designers Writers and Developers are doing a Fantastic Job!

My solution??? Simple... Fire the current management !!!

Then allow the Writers, Artists and Developers to have a BIG say in choosing their replacements. The Creatives are the ones that are ruled by ZOS and they know the good ones to re-hire or great managers from prior projects they worked on together. Some people on the front lines that actually do support and help us should be kept as well.

This company's greed for - more, more, always more money, and it's complete disregard for the player/customer - is untenable illogical and must be completely re-thought. And Fixed! I sense that they dislike us to the point where they don't even see us as people anymore. PIA's and complainers are what we are to them - even though we're their cash cow. They wouldn't even have jobs without us paying their salaries.

If you want a glimpse of the TRASH you get from spending your hard earned REAL MONEY on ZOS' latest customer rip off please check out Deltia's new post where he spends $100 (REAL DOLLARS) Opens the Crown Crates and the total trash (and trash duplicates) that he gets from the purchase.

I will be saying Good Riddance to ZOS as soon as my current membership expires. I love Bethesdas Skyrim (and all its predecessors), but can't stand what ZOS has done to the previously good name of "The Elder Scrolls" by linking it to the Elder Scrolls Online Management.

I'm playing Skyrim once again, and Loving it!! More new Mods are changing the game in so many ways! Some are good and some are bad BUT the difference between Skyrim and Elder Scrolls Online is... You pick the ones YOU want - no "managerial non-asset money first bully/idiot" forces their horrific self-serving picks upon you!

Bam_Bam

Marketing team need to gtfo.

Stop aiming for the blatent cash grab - its utterly crass.

Instead focus on your core customer base - people are happy to buy and spend crowns, but you are blastently rinsing them with these crates.

what a whole lots of bollockss >:(

shadoza

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Question please my fine fellow forum folks!
I have not voiced my opinion on crates as I wanted to wait till they went live to actually try them first.
Sooooooo... I get in game, buy 4 crates. I wait to open, then I click "Crown Crate" icon. Nothing Happens.
I move or do a action, I get the Khajiits voice over, but no UI screen to open them.
Any ideas? This happen to any one else??

It has happened with me sort of, I get the cut scene but no card CG. I cannot know what I got until I leave the window and see the items listed on the screen. I did try removing the add-on I use, but that made no difference.

Have you tried to type /reloadui in the chat line?

optyk2477_ESO

XRavishX wrote: »

Some might actually have fun gambling. Otherwise, casinos and bingo wouldn't exist. If I spend money on the gambling boxes I am purchasing them with the understand that most of the time I will "lose" as that's the nature of gambling. I really don't see how this concept is so difficult for people to understand. Some people actually like gambling and don't mind spending their money on the chance to win something. I said the CHANCE. That is gambling!

No one is debating about gambling on its own and how some can perceive it as a form of entertainment. Players are upset that it has made it's way into video games. If you want to use real world examples, sure, I'll gamble once in a blue moon because I can take that real world currency and actually pay bills etc. In a video game the winnings are digital and have no substance. Choosing to outright pay for that 'empty' reward is very different than making someone gamble for it. The lockboxes themselves almost always lead to other negative aspects getting added to the game.

But really, under your mentality a clothing store or even a food store could put their 'exclusive' items behind a lockbox and you would have to be content with that just as you are here. Really? Don't think so. If so, I'd like to sell you and others a bridge.

ZOS wants players to constantly rebuy. I guess a player who outright buys an item they want is not generating enough revenue in their opinion? <--this is where the 'cash grab' and 'shameless' labels start flying in.


Show players a good time and through that engagement, provide them with things they want to spend their money on. Baiting them to spend is not the route to take.

I await the impending statement of: "If we did not do this, we wouldn't be able to provide the game that you enjoy playing so much -we love you guys and are committed to providing you with the best experience in your adventures of Tamriel!".

Esquire1980g_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

XRavishX wrote: »

Oh, and as an edit, I do want to point out that the one thing we have learned is that ZOS has absolutely no fear when it comes to ticking off the player base. We can never again use that as a reason for them to not do something.

And history has shown that it worked sooooo well for SOE. I still remember well the NGE.

Used to be that when a gaming studio made a mistake that "ticked off the player base" it was known as something for no1 else to even touch. (NGE known as what not to do in a MMORPG) Now?, it's "they got away with it, we can too".

Will be interesting to see if TESO goes down the exact same road that all these other lockbox MMORPGs have traveled via actual paying customer numbers, you know the ones who actually break out their wallets and give them anything other than loading in as F2P and using up good bandwidth, completly for free.

Elsonso

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote:

Oh, and as an edit, I do want to point out that the one thing we have learned is that ZOS has absolutely no fear when it comes to ticking off the player base. We can never again use that as a reason for them to not do something.

And history has shown that it worked sooooo well for SOE. I still remember well the NGE in the latter part of 2005.

Used to be that when a gaming studio made a mistake that "ticked off the player base" it was known as something for no1 else to even touch. (NGE known as what not to do in a MMORPG) Now?, it's "they got away with it, we can too".

Will be interesting to see if TESO goes down the exact same road that all these other lockbox MMORPGs have traveled via actual paying customer numbers, you know the ones who actually break out their wallets and give them anything other than loading in as F2P and using up good bandwidth, completly for free.

I think I fixed your quoting.

shadoza

This thread has become too much of a hate-fest.

I welcome the Crown Crates. I purchased a few this day and enjoyed the mini game of opening them. I now have a cool mount and a couple of unique pets and several pots for my lower characters to use. I am a happy consumer.

VerboseQuips

First of all, I want to thank the community managers for their awesome work. And I wish them courage and strength to face the tide of negativity that is hitting ZOS' shores.

Second, I want to congratulate whoever pushed the Crates, for they may have sucessfully sunken something beautiful. Namira, the Lady of Decay, must be very proud of such an achievement.

This game still had a lot of room to grow beyond Housing. The Daedric War. Real quests for werewolves, vampires, and their hunters. New werecreatures. Hunting quests. Intelligence services (Ring of Daggers, Hidden Armigers, Eyes of the Queen). Spellcrafting. Jewelry crafting. The Battlespire would have made a perfect and eerie new PvP area. New classes, possibly even a new Alliance (the Empire?). Aquatic exploration. New areas. Small-scale PvP arenas. Mounted fighting...
There were still tons of unexplored options that could keep the game alive. I am convinced that the game did not need to get into the gambling territory.



It is not perfectly on-topic, but I read this article today, and I thought it could add some new fuel to the discussion.

https://medium.com/swlh/how-technology-hijacks-peoples-minds-from-a-magician-and-google-s-design-ethicist-56d62ef5edf3#.j4eawsu44

Especially relevant is the paragraph about the intermittent variable rewards and the addiction they create, and the part where the authors explains that a menu with more choices is not necessarily more empowering for its user.

When ZOS advertised the Crates, they said they were adding a new option for those who are interested. But this new option is by no means more empowering for the players. Actually, few things are less empowering than RNG. Their "new option" thing just hides the fact that from now on, some parts of the game will become permanently locked off for players who aren't willing or able to throw insane ammounts of money at their sink.



Now on a personal note, I am faced with a choice.

I have been a suscribed player since beta and I have spent unreasonable ammounts of money on the game already. Doing so, I was (at first, cautiously, then genuinely) convinced that I helped ZOS expand the TES universe.
I cannot convince myself of that anymore. Actually, I am now convinced of the very contrary, i.e. that spending any more money on the game from now on will only fund the loss of integrity of a beloved paracosm. In other words, spending any more money on ESO now seems harmful to the TES series as a whole, in my current opinion.

Furthermore, as a collector of the want-them-all type (I know it's redundant, but I don't care), I will now be in a position where I will not be able to complete any collection anymore (because no, I do not have hundreds of euros to pour into this crap every season - how does a Crate season even last?). Which means I will be far less incentivized to buy anything that does not genuinely attracts my attention anymore. So my spending will drop anyways.

If I had a very strong will, and a strong clarity for ethical matters, I guess it would lead me to immediately stop spending anything anymore on ESO.
Alas, times have been a bit tough for me lately, and the game is one of the very few area of my life where I felt joy and pleasure recently, which makes it a very tough and heavy decision to take. So maybe I will not take it myself. Maybe I will let the ZOS-crafted RNG decide it for me.

I have quite a lot of spare Crowns thanks to the last sale, so, dear ZOS, here is what I might do.
I might very well buy all the (wonderful, it has to be said) new items in the Crown Store for December. At that time, I'd also expect you to have announced the next update (Vvardenfell?) officially.
After that, towards the end of the year and the time of resolutions, I could use whatever is left of my Crown throve on Crates, so as to give them a try without spending any new euro on the game.
And then, we'll see. If I suddenly realize how sheerly awesome the Crates are and how wonderful your game keeps becoming, I would keep my subscription and keep sepnding money on Crowns.
If, however, the Crates leave me with a bitter taste of disappointment in the mouth, and if I think the game is now lost, I would cancel my subscription, stop buying Crowns and actually stop playing altogether.
What do you think about that, ZOS? Before the Crates, you only had one option: have my membership and my regular spendings. Now, thanks to the Crates, you have one more option: you get a chance to keep my membership and my regular spendings. Isn't that awesome? Aren't you enjoying the gambling your income on an RNG system you crafted yourself? Aren't you satisfied with this new option?

Reading the last few lines I just wrote, I realize how bitter I already am, and how compromised my enjoyment of TES games has already become.
This is not unexpected. Opinions were voiced. Zos remained silent. Feedback was asked, and opinions were voiced again. I have no doubt they were read, and reported. But they were deliberately ignored. Now conclusions must be drawn. To me, it feels harsh.
This whole debacle is really, really sad.



A final note. I have spent the last few weeks trying to become a master crafter, mastering all the Motifs. While I am getting closer, there is still a long way. Whatever I may decide at the end of the year about my subscription, there is one thing of which I am sure. The day ZOS decides to make a Crate-exclusive Motif is the day I stop playing altogether. This would be nonnegotiable and irreversible.

Good night everyone.

whitebeard00

Obviously this has been said before, but ZoS one more person here who would love to give you my money for some of those cool mounts, but not going to happen with this system. Willing to pay $30 for cool looking stuff in game, not $300 or so in an RNG money-pit.

Elsonso

VerboseQuips wrote: »

I have been a suscribed player since beta and I have spent unreasonable ammounts of money on the game already. Doing so, I was (at first, cautiously, then genuinely) convinced that I helped ZOS expand the TES universe.
I cannot convince myself of that anymore. Actually, I am now convinced of the very contrary, i.e. that spending any more money on the game from now on will only fund the loss of integrity of a beloved paracosm. In other words, spending any more money on ESO now seems harmful to the TES series as a whole, in my current opinion.

Interesting thought. I am not sure I agree, but as someone who has subscribed for a long time, and has the mount to prove it, I find it somewhat depressing that ZOS thinks I have not been paying enough. They add something to the game in an attempt to get me to spend even more money than I am already spending, and that is really something that I am unwilling to do.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

If I had a very strong will, and a strong clarity for ethical matters, I guess it would lead me to immediately stop spending anything anymore on ESO.

Some people are doing exactly that. I am not, simply because what I am paying for the game right now meets my expectations for the game. So, for now, I keep my ESO Plus subscription, and steadfastly refuse to buy the Crown Crates. We will see whether the game begins to favor the Crown Crate players over the rest of us.

JimT722

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Obviously this has been said before, but ZoS one more person here who would love to give you my money for some of those cool mounts, but not going to happen with this system. Willing to pay $30 for cool looking stuff in game, not $300 or so in an RNG money-pit.

It looks like the hairstyle and body markings I wanted from the pts in July would cost more then $120 on average. For something that would normally cost $15 dollars. I would go for $30 maybe $40. Not 8 times the value on average with a chance I might still not have it. I was so excited for these when they had style parlor in pts. Oh well. I have gladly spent money on this game since launch. Have the striped senche to prove it. Now I'm so disappointed in ZOS I am not sure I want to give them another dime.

Threemoons

Okay....just watched the video linked above, AND bought 30 crates (for half price; I had stocked up on crowns when on sale).

I am usually a pretty major fangirl for ESO, and I am a collector and like having All the Mounts and Pets and Stuff but I have to say:

THIS SUCKS.

The drop tables SUCK.
The gem conversion for crap draws SUCK.
The gem prices for mounts and the other top two tier items SUCK as do the drop rates.
At least SELL THE GEMS or SELL THE DAMN ITEMS.

If you can't give refunds then give bonus gems to folks based on sub type and sub history/length.

This is the most naked money grab I've ever seen. It's like someone said, HEY, selling mounts for $40 OUTRIGHT isn't enough of a ripoff, let's have people GAMBLE for them and they'll SPEND EVEN MORE!

AND

PS I couldn't enter the "trip" sweepstakes because Gambling Laws. Someone please explain to me how this is different, in any way?

VERY disappointed.

JimT722

Threemoons wrote: »

Okay....just watched the video linked above, AND bought 30 crates (for half price; I had stocked up on crowns when on sale).

I am usually a pretty major fangirl for ESO, but I have to say:

THIS SUCKS.

The drop tables SUCK.
The gem conversion for crap draws SUCK.
The gem prices for mounts and the other top two tier items SUCK as do the drop rates.
At least SELL THE GEMS or SELL THE DAMN ITEMS.

If you can't give refunds then give bonus gems to folks based on sub type and sub history/length.

This is the most naked money grab I've ever seen. It's like someone said, HEY, selling mounts for $40 OUTRIGHT isn't enough of a ripoff, let's have people GAMBLE for them and they'll SPEND EVEN MORE!

AND

PS I couldn't enter the "trip" sweepstakes because Gambling Laws. Someone please explain to me how this is different, in any way?

VERY disappointed.

It isn't different. They get around it because you don't actually spend money on the crates themselves but your buying crowns. Unless that changes, they are legal unfortunately.

Als3rd

VerboseQuips wrote: »

Now on a personal note, I am faced with a choice.

I have been a suscribed player since beta and I have spent unreasonable ammounts of money on the game already. Doing so, I was (at first, cautiously, then genuinely) convinced that I helped ZOS expand the TES universe.
I cannot convince myself of that anymore. Actually, I am now convinced of the very contrary, i.e. that spending any more money on the game from now on will only fund the loss of integrity of a beloved paracosm. In other words, spending any more money on ESO now seems harmful to the TES series as a whole, in my current opinion.

Reading the last few lines I just wrote, I realize how bitter I already am, and how compromised my enjoyment of TES games has already become.
This is not unexpected. Opinions were voiced. Zos remained silent. Feedback was asked, and opinions were voiced again. I have no doubt they were read, and reported. But they were deliberately ignored. Now conclusions must be drawn. To me, it feels harsh.
This whole debacle is really, really sad.

Very well put. I could not agree more. I too have spent lots of money - an embarrassing amount if truth be told in buying and spending Crowns. Some of the purchases were warranted and some things were bought - almost on impulse. I am not proud of that, but I too wanted to support the game and its growth.

In fact, I have two ESO Plus memberships - one for myself and another for my spouse. I did this before I lost faith in this company due to the growing number of negative things that were done to me, others and the game itself.

This means that when I cancel both subscriptions - they will lose two of their ESO Plus account holders. This seemingly does not matter to them and more's the pity.

That's NOT good business.. in fact, it's terribly BAD business. and it just adds more wood to the fire with all the bad PR that it generates. I had three couples ask me if I liked playing Elder Scrolls Online over Thanksgiving. Most had heard that it was horrible (from its disastrous start-up). I was able to ally their fears on that matter, but could not honestly recommend the game because of everything already stated above. And I am stopping now.

Pax to all.

driosketch

I have a nitpick with the article.

Crown Crates are purchased through the Crown Store, and contain a randomized selection of useful consumables and collectibles that are valued more than the price of a single crate.

80 poisons sell for 200 Crowns. The 25 is the crate value at 62.5.
Mimic stones sell in sets that range from 44-50 Crowns per stone.
10 potions sell for 200, so the 5 in the crate value to 100 Crowns.
The basic XP scroll lasts 2 hours and sells 5 for 1000 Crowns. So the one in the crate that lasts 1 hour is worth 100 Crowns.
Meals and Drinks lasts 2 hours and sell as a pack of 10 for 400 Crowns. So the 1 hour versions in the crate are worth 20 Crowns.
Repair Kit and the Soul Gem are likewise 40 Crowns a piece.
Riding lessons value at 100 Crowns per.
Finally duplicate Superior rewards give 5 gems back, which is enough to buy 1 fine tier item in the gem store.

The most common 4 card pull will be a combination the above. At most you barely make back what you spent, at worst you don't get back the value of a single crate from a 15 pack. Example: 2x lethal Poison, 1 meal, and 1 Soul Shriven costume (non-dup) has a value of less than 379 crowns.

Logicbomb00

Well. Saw my first atro mount today. I continually /thumbdown and jeered them them till the signed out in shame.

alkodav

Hate this... Really the greatest disappointment for all time in this game

Logicbomb00

[SNIp] 10K crowns and ill I got were stuff I already had, stuff I paid 2000+ crowns each for when I thought I was supporting you by buying limited edition stuff. Now all that's good for me from the crates is the exact top tier stuff. the rest is worth 33 gems. how [SNIp] does that equate to 2000+ crowns each . [SNIp]

[Edited for Flaming]

Enodoc

Why are the Major and Grand XP Scrolls not available for purchase with Gems? They are the only items which aren't, and I can't think of a good reason for not selling something that the crate contains, since you already decided to sell all the Fine and Common consumables for Gems.

Elsonso

Als3rd wrote: »

In fact, I have two ESO Plus memberships - one for myself and another for my spouse. I did this before I lost faith in this company due to the growing number of negative things that were done to me, others and the game itself.

This means that when I cancel both subscriptions - they will lose two of their ESO Plus account holders. This seemingly does not matter to them and more's the pity.

That's NOT good business.. in fact, it's terribly BAD business. and it just adds more wood to the fire with all the bad PR that it generates. I had three couples ask me if I liked playing Elder Scrolls Online over Thanksgiving. Most had heard that it was horrible (from its disastrous start-up). I was able to ally their fears on that matter, but could not honestly recommend the game because of everything already stated above. And I am stopping now.

Consider this. It is good business, it is just not the business of creating a great Game.

Crown Crates change the revenue base for the game, simply because they drive Crown sales to a greater degree than the rest of the Crown Store stuff. The Studio will naturally move to support that revenue first, and other revenue streams to a lesser degree. ESO Plus will be one of those other revenue streams, and those subscriptions are based in the Game itself. Crown Crates are based on cosmetics, not the Game. Cosmetics will be more important to revenue than the Game. This is despite the fact that, without the Game, there would be no reason to buy cosmetics.

Therefore, while they are still counting your ESO Plus subscription money, they are more interested in counting the Crown revenue that fuels Crown Crates. If you make a big enough fanfare when you cancel your subscription, they might notice, but I would not count on it. A flaming arrow, with your cancellation confirmation attached, shot into the Accounting Office would probably go unnoticed for a while.

My prediction for 2017 is simple. ESO will progress towards Free To Play, if not literally, at least conceptually. They will be dependent upon Crown Store sales, much the same way that a Free To Play title is. Subscriptions will still be offered, as these will continue to supply a significant, yet minority, stream of revenue. Development priority for ESO will follow revenue, so expect new and exciting things in the Crown Store, and Crown Crates in particular. They have DLC content stacked up waiting to be delivered (Murkmire, Vvardenfell, and the Clockwork City dungeon), but after those are expended, I expect that Game content will start to fall off going into late 2017 and 2018. I sense that they are already pacing themselves to a greater degree, with One Tamriel and Housing back to back.

The degree, and speed, with which this happens will depend greatly, in my opinion, on the percentage of players who subscribe to ESO Plus. The lower that number, the faster that events will unfold. I cannot expect ZOS, a business, to be too altruistic and maintain support of the Game in the face of declining Game revenue. Not unless Crown revenue is also beginning to fall off, due to the Game not performing the primary task of leading players to the Crown Store.

I may be pessimistic about the future of ESO, but my money stays with ESO Plus until they stop dropping enough Game content to keep the Game worth paying for.

For those of you who are on the "ZOS is a business and we need to fund that business or the game will go away" bandwagon, I recommend ESO Plus, even if you are a Crown purchaser for Crown Crates. Only with enough ESO Plus revenue will there be incentive to continue to work on the Game. Crown Crates will get attention, no matter what, but the best chance to get content for the Game will be masses of ESO Plus subscribers.

BloodWolfe

ZOS, I may have paid for some of those items but I will NEVER spend for a crate with a small chance for an item I want. I likely won't bother buying much at all now off the crown store with the exception of DLC. The pricing of assistants and some motifs for example (not that I want them even if cheap and I know it's all cosmetic and thankfully no B2P which would definitely make me quit for good) but the pricing is still ridiculous. So that on top of these new crates just tells me ZOS is slowly heading the way of other games I have stopped/refuse to play due to the level of greed and I really hope B2P never becomes part of this game but this level of greed is how it starts.

I won't stop playing the game but I will stop spending money with exception of DLC and maybe the odd small item here and there just to throw some support at the game at a cost of no more than a normal sub-fee range.

driosketch

As the only thing I really want in there are the wizard hats, I think I'll pass.

I'm still concerned about the game's development long term though. Here's hoping you knock it out of the park with housing.

AlienDev

I agree with some of the comments about not being able to sell back some of the costume items and such that you don't want. Not all of them fit everyones liking. I was a bit disappointed with that. I was very disappointed with the value of the items. If you sell an item back to the store that you would buy for 5 gems, you only get one gem back. I do love the idea of it though, being able to purchase something for random stuff with a chance to get some pretty rare things. It might even be awesome if you were able to gift them to other players such as your guild leaders and friends you may of become close to over time.

Moloch1514

Bummer. I guess we know where the community stands in ZOS' mind. Even if I bought one crate and hit the jackpot with an Atro wolf mount, I'd be too ashamed to use it!!

BlueViolet

Frankly Zenimax, I can't believe you "welcome" crown crates.

I am disgusted with the addition of this gambling crap to the game, which didn't need it in the first place, instead of taking a firm stance against it.
Zenimax, you sicken me.

Code2501

It's depressing to see where this company allocates its resources...

Rather than all the things the players have asked for:
Weapon dyes
Transmogrification
PvP arena's/battlefields
Spell Crafting
New Classes
Combat/Gear Balancing

They instead chose to spend time on an RNG money grab that the majority of their players clearly told them they did not want.

If they put these things on the regular crown store, instead of this gambling BS us players would have gladly bought them and been happy, but they waste development time on this cash grab instead so they can deceitfully charge on average 2-3x what they currently get from such assets.

I feel sorry for Bethesda who now have this turd associated with their IP.

Elsonso

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

Bummer. I guess we know where the community stands in ZOS' mind. Even if I bought one crate and hit the jackpot with an Atro wolf mount, I'd be too ashamed to use it!!

Some do not share your concern. I have seen quite a few of them in the game.