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Why Is This Ok?!

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Its been almost 2 months since one tam has been released, I agree it's pretty recent and was an awesome update for the game. But why in oblivion is the Viper Set/Proc Sets / Major Issues Being overlooked. This isn't a small issue that maybe one person is having. I have a small list of people having similar "Issues"

Yeh It's a lot of people posting about the same thing. Also yes I did see Gina's post, But I could care less about that post because I've seen the worst of this company. Clafication its been 10 days when they said they would clarify later that week...they never did.
This is topping the scale of worse issues plaguing the game ever.

I have a general joking personality on the forums and in game and take most post and comments with a grain of salt; But this time I am perplexed by the situation. Why is it when a small issue like a drop in a dungeon that no one could give two Scrolls about is fixed. But when there are pages of the same issue for a month is brought up and it takes you a month to respond to the issue? do you doubt the people who play your game? And I really doubt your testing team overlooked this because if they did.; There not doing their job Period.

Now you have an opportunity you haven't posted your patch day; Yet as of 12amish PST 21st, But if you post No maintenance. You better be bring out the new life event the week after because all those people you just got from your free weekend and $10 for the game will be gone after the holiday week.

For the LOVE of talos stop hating the community even EA and Dice do battlefield fridays.
Edited by sirston on November 21, 2016 10:59PM
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    No maintanice again? man you sure do want to lose customers.
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  • Sigma957
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    Hmmm people complain when there is maintenance and complain when there is no maintenance, ZOS just can't win lol
  • bellanca6561n
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    Let's see....how many threads do we get when there is maintenance...all of them negative?
  • Pandorii
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    It's not the maintenances that people don't like. They don't like waiting without a sense of how long it will take. They don't like maintenances that last longer than they normally do. Lastly, they don't like emergency maintenances on weekends.
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    Omg there is a long list of stuff I would like to see changed... Proc sets are very strong.. however destruction ultimate is just as bad..... what about no timers on roots lol... mindless lemmings running in balls step 1 foot to right and 30 of the enemy ignore you how ever the lag ruins everyone's game play....

    However for the most part a great game ... I have really enjoyed this game...,
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  • sirston
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    Sigma957 wrote: »
    Hmmm people complain when there is maintenance and complain when there is no maintenance, ZOS just can't win lol

    before making a quick witty response read the full post. And yeh I would like to see maintenance anyday just that counts not derpy maintenance.
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  • Iselin
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    sirston wrote: »
    Sigma957 wrote: »
    Hmmm people complain when there is maintenance and complain when there is no maintenance, ZOS just can't win lol

    before making a quick witty response read the full post. And yeh I would like to see maintenance anyday just that counts not derpy maintenance.

    Maintenance "that counts" of course being just an euphemism for "change that thing I'm obsessed with the way I want it changed"
  • rager82b14_ESO
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    ..game has lots of problems not just this.
  • gard
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    Regarding Viper's Sting:
    It's almost like no one realizes that there are more glyph options than weapon power and spell damage.
    Like poison resist maybe.
    Or alter your champ points.
    Why wouldn't you alter your build to be effective against what the majority of pvp'ers are using?

    Adapt and overcome!
    (much more effective than "b**ch and moan" and not really that much more effort)

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  • sirston
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    Iselin wrote: »
    sirston wrote: »
    Sigma957 wrote: »
    Hmmm people complain when there is maintenance and complain when there is no maintenance, ZOS just can't win lol

    before making a quick witty response read the full post. And yeh I would like to see maintenance anyday just that counts not derpy maintenance.

    Maintenance "that counts" of course being just an euphemism for "change that thing I'm obsessed with the way I want it changed"

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/300992/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-8#latest
    "Celestial Investigator: Adjusted the wording for this achievement to specify which of the associated quests are intended for a group."

    I can't see how this is more important then the issues at hand.
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  • Sigma957
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    sirston wrote: »
    Sigma957 wrote: »
    Hmmm people complain when there is maintenance and complain when there is no maintenance, ZOS just can't win lol

    before making a quick witty response read the full post. And yeh I would like to see maintenance anyday just that counts not derpy maintenance.

    I did read all your post and as regards to vipers sting it has always been around since launch of game but only recently people are using it more in pvp in with other proc sets. So now there are more posts on it because people die from it.
  • Doctordarkspawn
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    Their damned if they do matinence.

    Their damned if they dont.

    Is there no pleasing you people?

    PS. PVP will never be ballanced in an MMO.
    Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 21, 2016 5:22PM
  • Tandor
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    Pandorii wrote: »
    It's not the maintenances that people don't like. They don't like waiting without a sense of how long it will take. They don't like maintenances that last longer than they normally do. Lastly, they don't like emergency maintenances on weekends.

    Some don't like those things it's true, but they're a very small proportion of the overall playerbase most of whom take a far more relaxed approach to such things.
  • dsalter
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    gard wrote: »
    Regarding Viper's Sting:
    It's almost like no one realizes that there are more glyph options than weapon power and spell damage.
    Like poison resist maybe.
    Or alter your champ points.
    Why wouldn't you alter your build to be effective against what the majority of pvp'ers are using?

    Adapt and overcome!
    (much more effective than "b**ch and moan" and not really that much more effort)

    resistance(s) is(are) futile.

    the way penetration works atm, it's pointless even having resistances, they can ignore more than you can obtain. i mean 1 onehanded weapon can bypass 2 glyphs alone using just sharpened, make sure those are maces, sharpened and they have a bunch of CP and you basically bypass any resistance a target can achieve because it's so pathetically easy to increase penetration over defences.
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  • yodased
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    The issue is it's not viper that is the problem really, its being able to weapon swap to your melee weapon while your arrow is flying and then get melee procs on ranged attacks.

    Add that to the broken proc sets that proc other sets and boom goes the shotgun, 1hit.

    I believe that this is not being fixed because there is a majority of people who are using it, so it reinforces that it was a "good idea", the people on the forums here are rarely, if ever listened to, forget being responded to.

    They want to cater to the utmost casual player, which means giving them access to gear that can be effectively used in PvE and PvP. The problem with that is those who min/max and theory craft understand the mechanics of the game better than those designing the gear.

    That imbalance is the crux of the issue and it is one that by its own definition can't be fixed. They can't balance around PvP, because the PvE will become super hard. They can't balance around PvE because the hardcore PvPers will become god mode.

    If you remember perma bats, perma banners and impulse monkey trains from < 1.5 PvP, it's the same thing really, but now its 1shot proc gear and Eye of The storm.

    For a while it was jesus beam and before that bombard. There are always going to be over performing armor, weapons and skills in PvP. You will not get the majority to stop using them of course because it gives them an advantage over other players, and I don't care what anyone says, hardcore pvp people only want a K;D ratio to be as high as possible.

    These posts fall on deaf ears, the cries of balance fall on deaf ears.

    Just join the meta, grab a 1shot gear set up and enjoy your pvp, or don't.
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
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    sirston wrote: »
    Iselin wrote: »
    sirston wrote: »
    Sigma957 wrote: »
    Hmmm people complain when there is maintenance and complain when there is no maintenance, ZOS just can't win lol

    before making a quick witty response read the full post. And yeh I would like to see maintenance anyday just that counts not derpy maintenance.

    Maintenance "that counts" of course being just an euphemism for "change that thing I'm obsessed with the way I want it changed"

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/300992/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-8#latest
    "Celestial Investigator: Adjusted the wording for this achievement to specify which of the associated quests are intended for a group."

    I can't see how this is more important then the issues at hand.

    Yes. We already know what you want and you want it right this minute.
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    gard wrote: »
    Regarding Viper's Sting:
    It's almost like no one realizes that there are more glyph options than weapon power and spell damage.
    Like poison resist maybe.
    Or alter your champ points.
    Why wouldn't you alter your build to be effective against what the majority of pvp'ers are using?

    Adapt and overcome!
    (much more effective than "b**ch and moan" and not really that much more effort)

    So, you want me to put some paltry amount of resistance on my jewelry in exchange for the recovery or damage that allows me to continue the fight for longer or actually deal enough damage to get through the defenses of others? I think I'll pass.
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  • sirston
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    Their damned if they do matinence.

    Their damned if they dont.

    Is there no pleasing you people?

    PS. PVP will never be ballanced in an MMO.

    isnt about balance its about not having armor do all your damage. Since you said PVP will never be balanced if you balance pvp you can balance pve, Not the other way around.
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    sirston wrote: »
    Their damned if they do matinence.

    Their damned if they dont.

    Is there no pleasing you people?

    PS. PVP will never be ballanced in an MMO.

    isnt about balance its about not having armor do all your damage. Since you said PVP will never be balanced if you balance pvp you can balance pve, Not the other way around.

    No.

    PVP and PVE are completely different genre's. Not just game modes, genre's. What is viable in PVP, what is needed in PVP, is a far cry from PVE. It's why PVP ballance makes for worse PVE.

    If you ballance PVP, you wont ballance PVE. The reverse is true. Both negate the other.

    The reason I say they cant ballance PVP is because they wont -seperate- it. Once they do, that will be possible and likely achieved in record time.
    Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 21, 2016 6:06PM
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    Pandorii wrote: »
    It's not the maintenances that people don't like. They don't like waiting without a sense of how long it will take. They don't like maintenances that last longer than they normally do. Lastly, they don't like emergency maintenances on weekends.

    Conclusion, NO ONE is EVER happy.

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  • sirston
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    sirston wrote: »
    Their damned if they do matinence.

    Their damned if they dont.

    Is there no pleasing you people?

    PS. PVP will never be ballanced in an MMO.

    isnt about balance its about not having armor do all your damage. Since you said PVP will never be balanced if you balance pvp you can balance pve, Not the other way around.

    No.

    PVP and PVE are completely different genre's. Not just game modes, genre's. What is viable in PVP, what is needed in PVP, is a far cry from PVE. It's why PVP ballance makes for worse PVE.

    If you ballance PVP, you wont ballance PVE. The reverse is true. Both negate the other.

    The reason I say they cant ballance PVP is because they wont -seperate- it. Once they do, that will be possible and likely achieved in record time.

    Lol. balancing PVP would be easier to do then vice versa, If you can fix PVP first you can fix PVE easy mode. If people are killing mobs too fast? Buff the NPC give them a health boost or resistance to a certain amount of damage. People weaving abilities and stun locking the mobs? Put a CC immunity on the Mob.

    They have full control over the game and its mechanics In PVE they Don't have control over PVP. And you saying they need to make the game a separate game? They would never do that, they could give two scrolls about there PVP community 90% time. On top of that the PVE community has turn full hostile on the fourms towards any fair middle ground and declare there side of the game is far superior. Mashing 8 buttons isn't hard Now with armor helping that, There is no skill.
    Edited by sirston on November 21, 2016 6:16PM
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    Durham wrote: »
    Omg there is a long list of stuff I would like to see changed... Proc sets are very strong.. however destruction ultimate is just as bad..... what about no timers on roots lol... mindless lemmings running in balls step 1 foot to right and 30 of the enemy ignore you how ever the lag ruins everyone's game play....

    However for the most part a great game ... I have really enjoyed this game...,

    Well the thing is, stam users can just dodge roll out of roots 'till the cows come home (another example of bias against magicka users)
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  • Doctordarkspawn
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    sirston wrote: »
    sirston wrote: »
    Their damned if they do matinence.

    Their damned if they dont.

    Is there no pleasing you people?

    PS. PVP will never be ballanced in an MMO.

    isnt about balance its about not having armor do all your damage. Since you said PVP will never be balanced if you balance pvp you can balance pve, Not the other way around.

    No.

    PVP and PVE are completely different genre's. Not just game modes, genre's. What is viable in PVP, what is needed in PVP, is a far cry from PVE. It's why PVP ballance makes for worse PVE.

    If you ballance PVP, you wont ballance PVE. The reverse is true. Both negate the other.

    The reason I say they cant ballance PVP is because they wont -seperate- it. Once they do, that will be possible and likely achieved in record time.

    Lol. balancing PVP would be easier to do then vice versa, If you can fix PVP first you can fix PVE easy mode. If people are killing mobs too fast? Buff the NPC give them a health boost or resistance to a certain amount of damage. People weaving abilities and stun locking the mobs? Put a CC immunity on the Mob.

    They have full control over the game and its mechanics In PVE they Don't have control over PVP. And you saying they need to make the game a separate game? They would never do that, they could give two scrolls about there PVP community 90% time. On top of that the PVE community has turn full hostile on the fourms towards any fair middle ground and declare there side of the game is far superior. Mashing 8 buttons isn't hard Now with armor helping that, There is no skill.

    I'm saying PVE and PVP should be seperate, and should allways have been. But quite frankly you seem to have made up your mind about damn near everything, so dont let little old me slow you down.
  • bebynnag
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    sorry stopped reading when i read
    Also yes I did see Gina's post, But I could care less about that post because I've seen the worst of this company.

    I could care less

    I could care less

    I could care less


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    Forum maintenance . Priorities are confusing .
  • sirston
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    sorry stopped reading when i read
    Also yes I did see Gina's post, But I could care less about that post because I've seen the worst of this company.

    I could care less

    I could care less

    I could care less


    the phrase is I couldn't care less!


    Thanks for your I could care less post. maybe next time don't post.
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  • DPG76
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    I agree that this procsets in heavy armor spams are killing pvp , i already gave up on pvp in ESO no skills needed in just the right sets .
    So i decided to concentrate on pve but then even there you can't do a damn thing without having lag and freezes that even just cashing in the daily writs is a slideshow horror .
    All this and no maintenance for ps4 as well , so all week long persisting BS lag broken weapon swap and abillities not firing or some time's it's the animation that comes after an hour
    ow the best one : dismounting your horse and getting my character to move on further on foot but with horse speed while blocking !!!!!

    but the game is so ok that it doesn't need maintenance
    it's beyond me


  • bebynnag
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    sirston wrote: »
    sorry stopped reading when i read
    Also yes I did see Gina's post, But I could care less about that post because I've seen the worst of this company.

    I could care less

    I could care less

    I could care less


    the phrase is I couldn't care less!


    Thanks for your I could care less post. maybe next time don't post.

    and perhaps next time you want to make a post take a look in recent discussions and add your thoughts to one of the existing threads on the topic instead of starteing yet another one
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    sirston wrote: »
    Iselin wrote: »
    sirston wrote: »
    Sigma957 wrote: »
    Hmmm people complain when there is maintenance and complain when there is no maintenance, ZOS just can't win lol

    before making a quick witty response read the full post. And yeh I would like to see maintenance anyday just that counts not derpy maintenance.

    Maintenance "that counts" of course being just an euphemism for "change that thing I'm obsessed with the way I want it changed"

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/300992/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-8#latest
    "Celestial Investigator: Adjusted the wording for this achievement to specify which of the associated quests are intended for a group."

    I can't see how this is more important then the issues at hand.

    Different teams, in this case. It's not like some actual coder is going through and spell-checking things.
  • Didaco
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    gard wrote: »
    Regarding Viper's Sting:
    It's almost like no one realizes that there are more glyph options than weapon power and spell damage.
    Like poison resist maybe.
    Or alter your champ points.
    Why wouldn't you alter your build to be effective against what the majority of pvp'ers are using?

    Adapt and overcome!
    (much more effective than "b**ch and moan" and not really that much more effort)

    Alright, then I'll just have Velidreth set to worry about!

    ...and Selene.

    And Tremorscale.

    And Widowmaker.

    ...with basically no damage output to overcome the fight, since I'm not using damage glyphs.

    Mmh, thank you, but no thank you.

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