Viper set still OP?

Gargath

For stamina dps, pve.
Am I wrong assuming that currently, with all this diversity of new sets, the old-school Viper's Sting set still is one of the best, if not the best, sets for stamina dps?
With a lot of critical chance and weapon damage and CP etc. Viper makes over 20k critical damage each 4 seconds. Incredible high dmg when it comes together with main ability damage, like Bow's Snipe for example. Around 57k dmg from Snipe in stealth and I'm sure it could be much more. Even having only 30k stamina on myself, which isn't much, right?

I was considering some other dropped sets, especially the new, but did not find any better so far. Is there any better in dps?
Also I noticed that after 1T the prices for Viper Rings in my Master Merchant increased much, like it was again one of the most desired sets on market. Before 1T the prices were going down by each day...



PS. post not to brag, but to compare sets, to find even higher dps for stamina nb archer.

Cherryblossom

Going to take a while to snipe a group of mobs. others will be beating on you whilst you're channeling the next one!

Weird though it working on Snipe, I thought it was Melee only!

Gargath

Usually before the first snipe hits target (which obviously will be critically one-shot) there is already second arrow coming on second mob. Usually the group is wiped before the knights come closer. Archers and mages are killed first.
Those who are close enough are dealt with a combo of heavy attack followed by Poison Injection in same second. Also an OP, kills most targets instantly with Viper. My favourite bow attack. Or Snipe followed by Ambush and Killer's Blade.

Couldn't find anything better than Viper, and yes it works for all stamina weapons. Works for any bow attack, light, heavy and all abilities except rain of arrows, I think.

Vythri

Gargath wrote: »

Couldn't find anything better than Viper, and yes it works for all stamina weapons. Works for any bow attack, light, heavy and all abilities except rain of arrows, I think.

That's not even remotely true. It doesn't work with any ranged attacks at all. I tested it, and it didn't proc one single time on a ranged stamina attack.

flintstone

Doesn't work that way for me?.....it is a good set, but not that good, at least mine isn't. I've checked mine and it crits for around 13,000. I ran it with several other 5 piece sets (I have purple rings and neck)....night mothers, hundings, red mountain.

Don't think it proc's with my bow though........I'll have to check that? (I only use my bow when needed). I normally run DW/2 hander on my stamina sorc.

Destruent

It is not the best for PvE-DPS it was never the best. No idea where you get your information from...

psychotic13

I believe the only ranged attack it procs off is flying blade from the DW line

Bazeric

Well in PVP land it proc'd against me twice (separate times) from a lethal arrow, so the BS viper set isn't working as intended.

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Brutusmax1mus

It procs of anything that procs poison, as poisons are considered melee. The dot from pi might work too

Brutusmax1mus

I play 3 magicka toons, sure stamina is stronger. Playing better still nets you wins.

Even magicka has its strong combos to nearly 1 shot.

psychotic13

Bazeric wrote: »

Well in PVP land it proc'd against me twice (separate times) from a lethal arrow, so the BS viper set isn't working as intended. Please fix/remove. If only Nerien'th insta-proc'd on my heavy destro attacks. I don't know why I am banging my head against the wall with magicka. DON'T PLAY MAGICKA, IT SUCKS RIGHT NOW. Unless healbot templar or shield stacking streaker.

Maybe you just need to L2P Magicka? I do quite well.

Alucardo

Not as op as grothdarr. Jesus christ that set is broken on a mdk mixed with eye of fire and perma talons. *** all of these proc sets. Just remove them already.

Bazeric

If it is procing on poisons, that should be considered unintended game behavior and and exploit.

Viper is proc'ing in ways it shouldn't be and that makes it either OP or an exploit.

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Zagnut123Zagnut123

Coat of the red mountain is a set better than viper. It can proc every two seconds and it can proc on bow abilities which viper does not (its been tested many times and the only way to proc it from a ranged attack is poisons flying blade and widow maker set). Using that set will up your dps by about 2.5k a second. @Gargath

WreckfulAbandon

Vythri wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

Couldn't find anything better than Viper, and yes it works for all stamina weapons. Works for any bow attack, light, heavy and all abilities except rain of arrows, I think.

That's not even remotely true. It doesn't work with any ranged attacks at all. I tested it, and it didn't proc one single time on a ranged stamina attack.

Someone procced Vipers on me with a bow yesterday, there are ways to do it.

Chrlynsch

Some say, some enchants, proc viper.

Gargath

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

Coat of the red mountain is a set better than viper. It can proc every two seconds and it can proc on bow abilities which viper does not (its been tested many times and the only way to proc it from a ranged attack is poisons flying blade and widow maker set)

You are wrong and I tested it myself. Sniping poison from bow from max range&stealth hits critically with Viper almost all the time - below an example at Gold Coast - Snipe+Gold Enchant+Viper. Maybe I'm just lucky and you are not .


Another:

And here is stamina sorcerer with a bow, 5xHunding's Rage and 5xViper - damage from Heavy Bow Attack with Viper's proc.


Here a simple comparison with Dual Wield Heavy Attack - but damage from Viper proc way lower than when Viper is used on Bow build with Snipe.


And here is Critical Rush made by the same stamina sorcerer with 2H on 2-nd bar, 5xHunding's Rage and 5xViper - Viper proc still lower than with Snipe.

Vythri

Are you running poisons on your bow? Because that's the only way Viper can proc. I tested it too, and it never happened even one time for me. Maybe post a video instead of pictures that show nothing.

susmitds

Gargath wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

Coat of the red mountain is a set better than viper. It can proc every two seconds and it can proc on bow abilities which viper does not (its been tested many times and the only way to proc it from a ranged attack is poisons flying blade and widow maker set)

You are wrong and I tested it myself. Sniping poison from bow from max range&stealth hits critically with Viper almost all the time - below an example at Gold Coast - Snipe+Gold Enchant+Viper. Maybe I'm just lucky and you are not .


Another:

And here is stamina sorcerer with a bow, 5xHunding's Rage and 5xViper - damage from Heavy Bow Attack with Viper's proc.


Here a simple comparison with Dual Wield Heavy Attack - but damage from Viper proc way lower than when Viper is used on Bow build with Snipe.


And here is Critical Rush made by the same stamina sorcerer with 2H on 2-nd bar, 5xHunding's Rage and 5xViper - Viper proc still lower than with Snipe.

None of these are Viper. All these are Red Mountain procs.

Asmael

For stamina dps, pve.
Am I wrong assuming that currently, with all this diversity of new sets, the old-school Viper's Sting set still is one of the best, if not the best, sets for stamina dps?

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If you can actually pull decent numbers in a trial fight, maybe, because killing Overland mobs prove absolutely nothing when 99% of the mobs die to a heavy attack from stealth.

That includes tracking the % damage dealt, DPS and a comparison with other sets given similar circumstances.

Edziu

if we are in viper op, exploiting..wtf the *** is this a *** exploiter!

Doctordarkspawn

Quite frankly I say make it a feature.

Give Bow builds a fighting chance in PVE.

SodanTok

TBH Make it a feature in PVP. Maybe balanced it a little but the lack of proc sets for ranged stamina builds is rly hurting em. (except widowmaker, which is behind paywall, many times worse than viper and again abused only be procing it with both weapons - not range viable).
Not that i like this proc meta, but since 1T there is some proc in every death recap. Not using proc feels like it makes me weaker, less viable (that saying as main bow user, who already wasnt top of the food chain in the past).

Gargath

Vythri wrote: »

Are you running poisons on your bow? Because that's the only way Viper can proc. I tested it too, and it never happened even one time for me. Maybe post a video instead of pictures that show nothing.

Yes sure, I use gold poison glyphs on all my stamina builds and weapons, it's an obvious choice to me.
The screenshots show everything - the moment soon after either snipe from stealth or crit rush - the bottom of the damage values is viper proc (~16k,12k,9k,11k) - what else do you want to see?

susmitds wrote: »

None of these are Viper. All these are Red Mountain procs.

I've no idea what are you writing about. I don't have Red Mountain on any alt. Only Hunding's Rage and Viper. I stated this clearly above.

Gorilla

So on a dual wield StamSorc, one would want to run 1 weapon with Poison and one with Shock (to max the sorcs SC and other procs)?

Vythri

Gargath wrote: »

Vythri wrote: »

Are you running poisons on your bow? Because that's the only way Viper can proc. I tested it too, and it never happened even one time for me. Maybe post a video instead of pictures that show nothing.

Yes sure, I use gold poison glyphs on all my stamina builds and weapons, it's an obvious choice to me.
The screenshots show everything - the moment soon after either snipe from stealth or crit rush - the bottom of the damage values is viper proc (~16k,12k,9k,11k) - what else do you want to see?

I want to see how you're getting it to proc, because that literally didn't happen any time I tested it, and I tried multiple ways. A picture, especially one with only numbers that don't correlate to anything, don't do that. How am I supposed to know what the numbers in those screenshots are coming from?

Zagnut123Zagnut123

@Gargarth viper may or may not proc on bow abilities I don't have any proof of that even the i lean towards the doesn't side. But I do know viper lags behind red mountain by about 2k a second. Red mountain is good for pve imo and red mountain is best for pve if you are interested ill test them both out and get some pictures of there comparative performance.

Edziu

1st with full impenetrable, 2nd without impene...and look and just tell me...do viper user carcasses need any damn skill to winn fight? just look...this is 2nd suprise attack for free per 4 seconds, this is worse than any bursting monster set because viper have 100% chance to proc per 4 sec and undodgable.

so maybe also give to magic users set which will proc every 4 seconds from range dealing damage in power maybe like sorc curse etc, on range ofc because most of magica builds are on range builds like in pve





yes, viper to damn op on pvp also by 75% stmaina builds are using this *** which dont need any skill to kill someone

Rilmarshim

Lol 4.5k surprise attack.

UppGRAYxDD

No its terrible....not worth it at all. Just mail all your unbound viper sharp 1h weapons to me....

Chrlynsch

Vythri wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

Vythri wrote: »

Are you running poisons on your bow? Because that's the only way Viper can proc. I tested it too, and it never happened even one time for me. Maybe post a video instead of pictures that show nothing.

Yes sure, I use gold poison glyphs on all my stamina builds and weapons, it's an obvious choice to me.
The screenshots show everything - the moment soon after either snipe from stealth or crit rush - the bottom of the damage values is viper proc (~16k,12k,9k,11k) - what else do you want to see?

I want to see how you're getting it to proc, because that literally didn't happen any time I tested it, and I tried multiple ways. A picture, especially one with only numbers that don't correlate to anything, don't do that. How am I supposed to know what the numbers in those screenshots are coming from?

Enchantment may or may not have a little something to do with it.