Viper's Sting - Another Broken Exploiting Set (Worse then Storm Knight)

RinaldoGandolphi

@ZOS_GinaBruno

The Viper's String 5 piece bonus says:

(5 items) Your Melee Attacks deal 8311 Poison damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

Well Bow abilities like Poison Injection are procing this sets bonus...so folks are getting people with unavoiable Viper's String procs from bow distance and range which is completely broken.

The people doing this in PVP know darn well this is broken, So i suggest folks start reporting anyone who kills them with Viper String while using a Bow because the set is NOT supposed to function this way....if you get hit with this ability and they are wearing Viper its impossible to dodge.

Just though you may want to know....

IxskullzxI

Yesterday I died by a guy who spammed bow light attacks with a viper proc after every one. Super fun.

Master_Kas

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Yesterday I died by a guy who spammed bow light attacks with a viper proc after every one. Super fun.

Viper has a cooldown of 4 seconds. No way he could only spam bow light attacks with nothing in between and viper proccing on every one.

Btw I hate viper/veli with a passion, but do not spread lies atleast

RinaldoGandolphi

Yes it has a cooldown but it's still proc off attacks like poison injection when it shouldn't be and the proc is unavoidable that's just flat out broken.

Storm knight was avoidable but this...with as many pew pew archers now good luck with that

Why is there so much broken stuff in this game

IxskullzxI

Master_Kas wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Yesterday I died by a guy who spammed bow light attacks with a viper proc after every one. Super fun.

Viper has a cooldown of 4 seconds. No way he could only spam bow light attacks with nothing in between and viper proccing on every one.

Btw I hate viper/veli with a passion, but do not spread lies atleast

Well that's what my death recap was.

acw37162

I had a guild mate rant yesterday about broken viper was.

So we went and tested it and it he ate his words it's super strong but last I checked not broken.

And it does not proc of poison injection at least not on US PS4, over personally tested it.

Useless there is done special sequence of event you have to do to proc which I don't know, in which case is a bug/exploit that needs the steps reported to be fixed.

scorpiodog

acw37162 wrote: »

I had a guild mate rant yesterday about broken viper was.

So we went and tested it and it he ate his words it's super strong but last I checked not broken.

And it does not proc of poison injection at least not on US PS4, over personally tested it.

Useless there is done special sequence of event you have to do to proc which I don't know, in which case is a bug/exploit that needs the steps reported to be fixed.

There is a special combo that allows it to proc using a bow. I personally don't have that combo, but I've seen it. When I first saw it I thought "Yeah, I gotta get that!" But the more I though about it I saw is obviously an exploit.

Of course I'm not going to give details, though.

So yeah, I agree - send a video in. Its just like any other exploit.

AGrz5585

scorpiodog wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

I had a guild mate rant yesterday about broken viper was.

So we went and tested it and it he ate his words it's super strong but last I checked not broken.

And it does not proc of poison injection at least not on US PS4, over personally tested it.

Useless there is done special sequence of event you have to do to proc which I don't know, in which case is a bug/exploit that needs the steps reported to be fixed.

There is a special combo that allows it to proc using a bow. I personally don't have that combo, but I've seen it. When I first saw it I thought "Yeah, I gotta get that!" But the more I though about it I saw is obviously an exploit.

Of course I'm not going to give details, though.

So yeah, I agree - send a video in. Its just like any other exploit.

This... I use the set on my stamblade and sometimes it will proceed with poison injection + heavy attack combo and sometimes it won't

Rohamad_Ali

This is not good and now another broken set by ZOS that will lead to reports . I can't even stand to walk into Cyrodiil . I will report the bug but I'm not policing players anymore . What if somebody landed this combo by accident and got into trouble ? That would be messed up . This is bad set design and coding . ZOS should hotfix if true immediately .

RinaldoGandolphi

It also proc off Lethal Arrow. I was killed a few minutes ago and the 1st two items in my kill cap was Lethal Arrow and Vipers Sting and combat log statistics showed Viper String priced off Lethal Arrow

It seems to be proc off poison based damage somehow regardless of distance from target..cute

LegendaryChef

Not to mention it procs BEFORE the attack itself, say you use a light attack which will proc viper, the viper damage actually strikes before the light attack..... Which doesn't really make much sense

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Coat of the Red Mountain procs over 10k fire damage every 2 seconds if applied correctly, so its more op. On my DK this set does from 1/3 to 1/2 of my total damage. Unfortunately i dont do mutch as a DK (10k-25k DPS) with less to none regen ( the hardest class for vMSA)

Iyas

Bow attack -> switch to your melee wpn and tada you get a Viper proc.

PainfulFAFA

Iyas wrote: »

Bow attack -> switch to your melee wpn and tada you get a Viper proc.

this

KisoValley

Waiting on ZOS to ban everyone exploiting this, including those who do it by accident (which is the majority from what I've experienced).

CapuchinSeven

Master_Kas wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Yesterday I died by a guy who spammed bow light attacks with a viper proc after every one. Super fun.

Viper has a cooldown of 4 seconds. No way he could only spam bow light attacks with nothing in between and viper proccing on every one.

Btw I hate viper/veli with a passion, but do not spread lies atleast

I've had a death recap like that.

susmitds

BTW, I don't know whether you guys know it or not, the Viper's Sting is shown in a wrong way in the Death Recap. It is shown before the ability proccing it rather than after it.

Wollust

Well if someone opens up with a PI and weapon swaps to 2h you can hardly blame them for exploiting. Weapon swap mechanics have always worked kinda weird with the corresponding passives of the weapons or with sets.

Iyas

susmitds wrote: »

BTW, I don't know whether you guys know it or not, the Viper's Sting is shown in a wrong way in the Death Recap. It is shown before the ability proccing it rather than after it.

Its not wrong. Viper procs before the projectile or a charge hitting the target.
For example, i press charge and Viper procs before im even near the target

Asgari

The set does indeed proc off of bow attacks. It is possible it is only one skill but, I do have it proc against me by gank blades in 1v1 situations, along with poisons proccing with it.

AGrz5585

Wollust wrote: »

Well if someone opens up with a PI and weapon swaps to 2h you can hardly blame them for exploiting. Weapon swap mechanics have always worked kinda weird with the corresponding passives of the weapons or with sets.

This is true and weird as well. Fire off a heavy bow attack and weapon swap to 2h quick enough and you'll get the 2h forceful passive in the bow heavy attack.


Sometimes these bugs make me question ZoS

Skander

Viper needs a serious nerf, it is bugged now and it's insanly powerful, you'll see on the fix.

Zyn

I just tested this with viper on both bow and 2h. It did not proc on bow attacks or poison procs, whether on the bow bar OR when swapping to 2h.

Tested on PvE mobs

RadioheadSh0t

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IxskullzxI

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IxskullzxI

Zyn wrote: »

I just tested this with viper on both bow and 2h. It did not proc on bow attacks or poison procs, whether on the bow bar OR when swapping to 2h.

Tested on PvE mobs

I think it just glitches out sometimes. I've had it proc on me in 1v1s before from bow attacks. Not always though.

Own

I love this set. But i hate that it does this. It's unavoidable while using poison on bow attacks, even glyphs on light attacks. You can't blame people. They have every right to run viper and use poison attacks.

Lexxypwns

I almost broke down and put viper on my stamplar last night, this just confirms that I shouldn't, I animation cancel my poison injection by bar swapping into stampeded about 99% of the time so I'd have surely caused this bug to happen and given we have no combat log on consoles, I might not have even noticed

HeroOfNone

Bow counts as melee, strange as it sounds, and it's really not that broken that it procs on bow. Make it only work in a 5m ability and then only nightblades will be using it as they spam ambush and executes, making them even stronger. At least at this point most folks can use it.

But if you wanted to balance this, get it lower than sheer venom (which only works on execute like sheer venom but are significantly lower in damage) and lower the damage of widow maker & veldreth. The 3 of them are super burst at the moment and really affecting the TTK average.

GreenSoup2HoT

Hey guys just recorded a short video to debunk any theories here.

Results:

• Bow Light - Does not Proc
• Bow Heavy - Does not Proc (not in video sorry)
• Scatter Shot - Does not Proc
• Shrouded Daggers - Does Proc (theres 3 numbers, 1 for skill, 1 for enchant, 1 for Viper)
• Steel Tornado - Does Proc (3 numbers as well same as above ^)
• If you want me to test any other skill just ask and ill be happy to provide another video
  

The only ranged ability from my tests that proc this set is Hidden Blade from the Duel Wield Skill-line. Not sure if this classes as a melee ability because your using a melee weapon. Probably should not be proc'ing this set but who knows.

In general, the proc's are probably coming from gap closer's after someone uses heavy bow/poison inj.

Just to note also on death recap's, Viper will always be first in the order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9NvufH-edg&feature=youtu.be

melek-taus

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Hey guys just recorded a short video to debunk any theories here.

Results:

• Bow Light - Does not Proc
• Bow Heavy - Does not Proc (not in video sorry)
• Scatter Shot - Does not Proc
• Shrouded Daggers - Does Proc (theres 3 numbers, 1 for skill, 1 for enchant, 1 for Viper)
• Steel Tornado - Does Proc (3 numbers as well same as above ^)
• If you want me to test any other skill just ask and ill be happy to provide another video
  

The only ranged ability from my tests that proc this set is Hidden Blade from the Duel Wield Skill-line. Not sure if this classes as a melee ability because your using a melee weapon. Probably should not be proc'ing this set but who knows.

In general, the proc's are probably coming from gap closer's after someone uses heavy bow/poison inj.

Just to note also on death recap's, Viper will always be first in the order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9NvufH-edg&feature=youtu.be

Can you test Silver Shards? Fighters Guild ability. Dunno if its counted as melee or ranged, should be ranged I guess.