Double VMA Loot: Which Weapons Did You Get ?

Ch4mpTW

Run #6
- Maul (Charged)
- Restoration Staff (Decisive)

LeeroyGankins

jakeedmundson wrote: »

The only thing this event is actually doing....

Proving without a doubt to many people that the drops are not "random" in vMA.

This weighted drop idea is terrible...

Hey ZOS... running the SAME arena dozens - hundreds of times to get 2 or 3 desired weapons isn't "replay value" or "end game content"... make it so we can actually get the items with good traits ... then we can all get back to enjoying the fun parts of the game with our friends instead of being stuck in this solo content hell that pushes so many people to quit.

Are you afraid we won't run the content if you just give us a good chance of getting the right weapons?... here's an idea... change the traits again in an update... people will go back into vMA and re-farm those weapons (as long as drop rates are reasonable)

that being said.... i ran it 2 and 2/3 times last night (went to bed at stage 6 on my 3rd run)

1st run - gotta love the double resto drops...
precise resto staff (my second one of these)
charged resto staff

2nd run
infused sword and shield (my Nth one of these)
nirnhoned inferno (not a terrible drop but its not something i need)

No it proves without a doubt that many people don't know statistics....

With a 1% chance to get the exact weapon and trait, there's a 36% chance that after 100 runs , you do not get your desired weapon. 13% chance to not get it after 200 runs. In other words, it's NOT 100 runs to get your sharpen dagger or whatever else you look for.

And that's one weapon.

If you knew any statistics, you'd know that if the drop tables were in fact "rigged", you are going to be farming hell of a lot more than few hundred runs......

Caff32

Run #1:
Bow Infused
S/B Infused/Defending

Run #2
Dagger Decisive
Maul Decisive

Run #3:
Ice Staff Sharpened
1H Axe Decisive

Danksta

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Ran it for my friend last night. She got the sharpened inferno.. Lol

That's ballsy to mention it on the forums!

Bao1340

Got a sharpen ax and infuse bow on first run. Anyone know if the ax any good for stamsorc?

Espica

Liofa wrote: »

Double 1h/s . I can't even laugh at this .

Me too, at least got one Sharpened sword...

umagon

The event is just a ruse; the probability of getting desired outcome most likely has not changed. The event is just made to reinforce player conditioning created with one of their "retention" mechanics. To put it another way before the slot machine was $100 each pull now it is $20 each pull and people think "now I have more pulls so I have better chances of hitting the jackpot"; but in reality they don't. Because probability remains the same. But the owners of the machine know more people will play the $20 machine because they think they have a better chance at winning.

jakeedmundson

LeeroyGankins wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

The only thing this event is actually doing....

Proving without a doubt to many people that the drops are not "random" in vMA.

This weighted drop idea is terrible...

Hey ZOS... running the SAME arena dozens - hundreds of times to get 2 or 3 desired weapons isn't "replay value" or "end game content"... make it so we can actually get the items with good traits ... then we can all get back to enjoying the fun parts of the game with our friends instead of being stuck in this solo content hell that pushes so many people to quit.

Are you afraid we won't run the content if you just give us a good chance of getting the right weapons?... here's an idea... change the traits again in an update... people will go back into vMA and re-farm those weapons (as long as drop rates are reasonable)

that being said.... i ran it 2 and 2/3 times last night (went to bed at stage 6 on my 3rd run)

1st run - gotta love the double resto drops...
precise resto staff (my second one of these)
charged resto staff

2nd run
infused sword and shield (my Nth one of these)
nirnhoned inferno (not a terrible drop but its not something i need)

No it proves without a doubt that many people don't know statistics....

With a 1% chance to get the exact weapon and trait, there's a 36% chance that after 100 runs , you do not get your desired weapon. 13% chance to not get it after 200 runs. In other words, it's NOT 100 runs to get your sharpen dagger or whatever else you look for.

And that's one weapon.

If you knew any statistics, you'd know that if the drop tables were in fact "rigged", you are going to be farming hell of a lot more than few hundred runs......

It's insane to me that people try to defend this ridiculous concept of drop rates.

My first 5 runs went like this....and it didn't get any better down the road either. There are plenty more bows.
1. infused two handed axe
2. nirnhoned bow
3. defending bow
4. defending bow
5. nirnhoned bow
i remember this clearly because of how angry it made me at the time.
lets just stop there at my 5th run and analyze that ....1.04% chance.

If i'm wrong... feel free to correct my numbers... always possible to be thinking about this incorrectly.

Now, similar to rolling a die... but instead of 1/6 lets do 1/96 or 1.04% chance (that's 12 items that can drop each with 8 traits possible... 12 x 8 = 96 possibilities) of getting a bow in defending. (If it is evenly random)

That makes my 3rd and 4th run a pretty rough statistical improbability... 1.04% x 1.04% = 0.0108% chance... literally a 10th of one percent.... ok, lets chalk that up to bad "luck" due to rng... it could happen.

Now lets just look at the chance of getting a bow, regardless of trait... that's 1/12 items right? 8.3% chance each run of having a bow drop... then getting that to drop 4 times straight? Go ahead... roll a 100 sided die and let me know when you roll 37.... four times in a row. i'll wait.
8.3%^4 = That is a staggering 0.0048% chance... that even excludes the same traits.... i must just be lucky... right?

Again, feel free to correct me on my math but this seems pretty straight forward...

And since this isn't uncommon... I feel it is safe to think that there are weights tied to certain drops and traits.
I know for a fact i'm not the only one that sees many, many, many bows... shields.... and resto staffs, not to mention never seeing anything in sharpened yet. Not just from the forums...but friends i play this with have the same issues.

Thoughts? Corrections?

Kammakazi

• 2x Precise Dagger
• 1x Precise Maul
• 1x Precise Inferno
• 1x Precise Great Sword
• 1x Sharpened Lightning
• 1x Sharpened Maul
• 1x Defending Restoration
• 1x Powered Restoration

heuhueuhuehuhueuhu

Ch4mpTW

jakeedmundson wrote: »

LeeroyGankins wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

The only thing this event is actually doing....

Proving without a doubt to many people that the drops are not "random" in vMA.

This weighted drop idea is terrible...

Hey ZOS... running the SAME arena dozens - hundreds of times to get 2 or 3 desired weapons isn't "replay value" or "end game content"... make it so we can actually get the items with good traits ... then we can all get back to enjoying the fun parts of the game with our friends instead of being stuck in this solo content hell that pushes so many people to quit.

Are you afraid we won't run the content if you just give us a good chance of getting the right weapons?... here's an idea... change the traits again in an update... people will go back into vMA and re-farm those weapons (as long as drop rates are reasonable)

that being said.... i ran it 2 and 2/3 times last night (went to bed at stage 6 on my 3rd run)

1st run - gotta love the double resto drops...
precise resto staff (my second one of these)
charged resto staff

2nd run
infused sword and shield (my Nth one of these)
nirnhoned inferno (not a terrible drop but its not something i need)

No it proves without a doubt that many people don't know statistics....

With a 1% chance to get the exact weapon and trait, there's a 36% chance that after 100 runs , you do not get your desired weapon. 13% chance to not get it after 200 runs. In other words, it's NOT 100 runs to get your sharpen dagger or whatever else you look for.

And that's one weapon.

If you knew any statistics, you'd know that if the drop tables were in fact "rigged", you are going to be farming hell of a lot more than few hundred runs......

It's insane to me that people try to defend this ridiculous concept of drop rates.

My first 5 runs went like this....and it didn't get any better down the road either. There are plenty more bows.
1. infused two handed axe
2. nirnhoned bow
3. defending bow
4. defending bow
5. nirnhoned bow
i remember this clearly because of how angry it made me at the time.
lets just stop there at my 5th run and analyze that ....1.04% chance.

If i'm wrong... feel free to correct my numbers... always possible to be thinking about this incorrectly.

Now, similar to rolling a die... but instead of 1/6 lets do 1/96 or 1.04% chance (that's 12 items that can drop each with 8 traits possible... 12 x 8 = 96 possibilities) of getting a bow in defending. (If it is evenly random)

That makes my 3rd and 4th run a pretty rough statistical improbability... 1.04% x 1.04% = 0.0108% chance... literally a 10th of one percent.... ok, lets chalk that up to bad "luck" due to rng... it could happen.

Now lets just look at the chance of getting a bow, regardless of trait... that's 1/12 items right? 8.3% chance each run of having a bow drop... then getting that to drop 4 times straight? Go ahead... roll a 100 sided die and let me know when you roll 37.... four times in a row. i'll wait.
8.3%^4 = That is a staggering 0.0048% chance... that even excludes the same traits.... i must just be lucky... right?

Again, feel free to correct me on my math but this seems pretty straight forward...

And since this isn't uncommon... I feel it is safe to think that there are weights tied to certain drops and traits.
I know for a fact i'm not the only one that sees many, many, many bows... shields.... and resto staffs, not to mention never seeing anything in sharpened yet. Not just from the forums...but friends i play this with have the same issues.

Thoughts? Corrections?

Pretty spot on.

Ling

i did 3 runs today and i got:

1. run:
- 2H sword sharpened
- restro defending

2. run:
- restro sharpened
- dagger precise

3. run:
- restro precise
- inferno destro sharpened

im happy and never ever will farm vmsa anymore

Aliniel

I did my first ever VMA today. Got Precise Axe and Sharpened Flame Destro. I don't think I'll run it the second time, like ever

wellerrocks

#1 1 S&B + Lightning staff
#2 1 S&B + Lightning staff

Yes the exact same twice

Meld777

#1 2x Charged Resto: http://imgur.com/a/ltiBQ
#2 2x Infused Mace (and Shield): http://imgur.com/a/EkjcK

RNG never liked me, never will. I ran this arena ~400 times and have never received a single Inferno Staff. I have over 20 Sharpened Daggers and every other BiS weapon except the only one I need. I play Magicka and I'm not planning to switch.

I thought about running vMA once or twice a day during this event, but the first two runs already put me off and ruined the "celebration" for me. I ran it over 400 times before. If ZOS still doesn't think I'm worthy of a reward while some first-timers are, so be it. I'm not gonna rage through every single vMA thread like some others do and I'm certainly not going to quit ESO over it (or even unsub). But it's definitely making this game less attractive for me.

I vote for a Token System.

Malthorne

Today's run:
Charged bow
Charged Restoration staff



Ugh..

Tryxus

Trash of the day TATADAAH!!

The Maelstrom's Restoration Staff - Defending
The Maelstrom's Bow - Powered

Well... 1st wep isn't trash Also happens to be the first Resto Staff I ever got. Still gonna stick with my Decisive Master's Restoration Staff tho

nine9six

2 middle fingers.

Afafrenferr

Last 13 loots from chest of champions:
Mace defending/shield well fitted
Resto charged
Inferno decisive
Resto nirnhoned
Bow infused
Battle axe nirnhoned
Resto sharpened
Resto powered
Inferno charged
Great sword defending
Bow precise
Inferno powered/battle axe precise
Resto charged/sword nirnhoned/shield divines

Tired of the grind...

LeeroyGankins

jakeedmundson wrote: »

LeeroyGankins wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

The only thing this event is actually doing....

Proving without a doubt to many people that the drops are not "random" in vMA.

This weighted drop idea is terrible...

Hey ZOS... running the SAME arena dozens - hundreds of times to get 2 or 3 desired weapons isn't "replay value" or "end game content"... make it so we can actually get the items with good traits ... then we can all get back to enjoying the fun parts of the game with our friends instead of being stuck in this solo content hell that pushes so many people to quit.

Are you afraid we won't run the content if you just give us a good chance of getting the right weapons?... here's an idea... change the traits again in an update... people will go back into vMA and re-farm those weapons (as long as drop rates are reasonable)

that being said.... i ran it 2 and 2/3 times last night (went to bed at stage 6 on my 3rd run)

1st run - gotta love the double resto drops...
precise resto staff (my second one of these)
charged resto staff

2nd run
infused sword and shield (my Nth one of these)
nirnhoned inferno (not a terrible drop but its not something i need)

No it proves without a doubt that many people don't know statistics....

With a 1% chance to get the exact weapon and trait, there's a 36% chance that after 100 runs , you do not get your desired weapon. 13% chance to not get it after 200 runs. In other words, it's NOT 100 runs to get your sharpen dagger or whatever else you look for.

And that's one weapon.

If you knew any statistics, you'd know that if the drop tables were in fact "rigged", you are going to be farming hell of a lot more than few hundred runs......

It's insane to me that people try to defend this ridiculous concept of drop rates.

My first 5 runs went like this....and it didn't get any better down the road either. There are plenty more bows.
1. infused two handed axe
2. nirnhoned bow
3. defending bow
4. defending bow
5. nirnhoned bow
i remember this clearly because of how angry it made me at the time.
lets just stop there at my 5th run and analyze that ....1.04% chance.

If i'm wrong... feel free to correct my numbers... always possible to be thinking about this incorrectly.

Now, similar to rolling a die... but instead of 1/6 lets do 1/96 or 1.04% chance (that's 12 items that can drop each with 8 traits possible... 12 x 8 = 96 possibilities) of getting a bow in defending. (If it is evenly random)

That makes my 3rd and 4th run a pretty rough statistical improbability... 1.04% x 1.04% = 0.0108% chance... literally a 10th of one percent.... ok, lets chalk that up to bad "luck" due to rng... it could happen.

Now lets just look at the chance of getting a bow, regardless of trait... that's 1/12 items right? 8.3% chance each run of having a bow drop... then getting that to drop 4 times straight? Go ahead... roll a 100 sided die and let me know when you roll 37.... four times in a row. i'll wait.
8.3%^4 = That is a staggering 0.0048% chance... that even excludes the same traits.... i must just be lucky... right?

Again, feel free to correct me on my math but this seems pretty straight forward...

And since this isn't uncommon... I feel it is safe to think that there are weights tied to certain drops and traits.
I know for a fact i'm not the only one that sees many, many, many bows... shields.... and resto staffs, not to mention never seeing anything in sharpened yet. Not just from the forums...but friends i play this with have the same issues.

Thoughts? Corrections?

That's not the right math for repeat drops.

If you simply multiply 1.04% by 1.04% for getting two defending bow, which is 0.0108%, what prevents you from doing the same calculation for any other drops? What if you got, for drop 3 and drop 4, a sharpen axe and a sharpen bow? Or a charged maul and a powered resto? Isn't that still 1.04% by 1.04%? So you'd say getting any 2 non-repeat weapons is still 0.0108%, a statistical improbability.

The probability of NOT getting a repeat weapon in 5 drops is calculated as such

(100/100)*(99/100)*(98/100).....*(95/100) = 0.86 = 86%

Which means you have a 100% -89%= 14% chance to get a repeat weapon in 5 drops.


Why? Because First weapon can be anything, so the probability is set to 100%. The next weapon can only be 1 of the remaining 99, so it's 99/100. Third one is one of remaining 98 possibilities, and so on.

Adenoma

How much worse is a nirnhoned vs sharpened 2h for PvP? Especially if it's just back bar for 1h&s/2h or DW/2h.

Today in two runs I got a sharpened bow and defending resto, and then nirnhoned greatsword and an infused bow. I'm really really hoping to just do one more time after animal sacrifices and get a sharpened 2h or a inferno staff.

Ch4mpTW

Run #7
- Sword (Precise) / (Divines)
- Bow (Infused)

Real damn random okay. My third sword in 7 runs, and precise as well. My second Bow as well. Not a single damn destruction staff.

Buffler

Had a good day monday....3 runs and got sharp dagger, ice staff and 2h axe...other 3 items were crap.

3 runs yesterday and got Nirn dagger (meh!) And resto precise....rest was junk.

Lets see what todays runs bring!

f047ys3v3n

My vMA loot drop history. I will keep it updated.

Previous runs:
1) no weapon
2) no weapon
3) (weapon now guaranteed) infused resto
4) charged bow

Now the event runs:
run 1)
Infused resto
Defending lightning stave

run 2) This was going to be my last run of the event as I just hate to get treated badly after doing hard stuff
Decisive dagger
Sharpened inferno (yep, I got it, did a little dance had a drink, yelled to everyone I know and was as happy as I have ever been in game)

run 3) Since I am now relaxed having gotten what I absolutely need and can enjoy the content I decided to keep running.
Powered sword / infused sheild
Infused resto (yes 3/8 of my drops are infused resto's, do you want one?)

run 4)
Charged lighting stave
Nirnhoned resto

run 5)
Infused bow
Charged mace / impen sheild

run 6) Honestly, haven't gotten anything rewarding feeling in a while. My interest is starting to flag again. Wonder if the reward / the D ratio necessary to keep people interested varies from person to person.
Powered resto (I prefer my resto's defending and the vMA resto isn't going to replace my vDSA one anyway so pffffft on this)
Infused mace / impen sheild

run 7) Got to round 7 today with no deaths for that that is worth (nothing.)
precise resto (this is the 5th resto in 7 runs. I don't want any restos by the way)
Nirnhoned Maul

run 8)
Sharpened sword / reinforced shield
charged bow (yep, that she second on of these)

Run 9)
Infused battle axe (2h)
Precise bow

I think I'll make it an even 10 total runs in the event and end running it at that point. I'm at the point where I seem to average 4-6 deaths and 1:10 on the clock and this doesn't seem to be improving very rapidly. I'm just not sure I care enough about the title to work for it. Lot of spawn memorization, lot of luck with stuns and shroom RNG, lot of just not making any unfortunate mistakes at the wrong time. I'm just not sure I care enough about the prestige. As for the loot as a motivator, I got my staff and kinda wanted to play with a huge dps stam build with the vMA weapons but, needing 3 and even now having zero, coupled with really being a practiced magica build anyway.... I also wanted to mess around with the double tripple proc infal / vMA shock build on a DK. I don't think the messing around with any of this it is worth the horrible grind which, statistically speaking, I wouldn't complete until after the next seasonal gear expiration anyway.

I should thank ZOS for getting me excited enough for the events sake to go back in vMA as I was lucky enough to get my staff before I raged out from bad drops. Hopefully I will get to use it a bit before the next seasonal gear expiration.

Run 10)
Charged Battle axe
Sharpened Dagger (hell's yea)

Run 11)
Infused bow
Sharpened mace / Impen shield

Run 12)
Nirnhoned greatsword
Sharpened tank sword (3rd sharpened tank wep out of 5 sharpened wep total) / divines shield

Run 13)
Infused dagger
Nirnhoned Maul

Run 14)
Precise Dagger
Precise Inferno

Well, it's 1:56 on early Monday morning guess that last run wraps up the event.

Run 1) Post event
Charged bow (3rd one of this garbage now)
Precise bow (this was the gold weekly reward for the run)

Espica

I got:
Sharpened Sword & Nirn Shield
Nirn Sword & Sturdy Shield

Charged Lightning Staff and Charged Restoration Staff

Precise Lightning Staff and Powered Maul

covenant_merchant

13 runs so far

• Charged Inferno
• Powered Inferno
• Decisive Ice
• Nirnhoned Lightning
• Decisive Maul
• Charged Lightning
• Charged Restoration
• Nirnhoned Axe
• Powered Greatsword
• Decisive Axe
• Defending Battle-Axe
• Decisive Dagger
• Defending Greatsword
• Charged Restoration (another one)
• Infused Bow
• Decisive Dagger (another one)
• Precise Battle Axe
• Sharpened RESTORATION
• Charged Bow
• Defending Inferno
• Powered Lightning
• Charged Ice
• Precise Inferno
• Powered Mace
• Nirnhoned Shield
• Charged Bow
• Nirnhoned Bow

Eweroun

charged inferno staff and charged lightning staff.... could've been worse ^^

covenant_merchant

Eweroun wrote: »

charged inferno staff and charged lightning staff.... could've been worse ^^

Shader_Shibes

Out of 12 runs now i think since event started, i got 1 usable weapon, sharpened 2h Maul. Last night i got 2x charged 1h axe from 1 chest, i mean really wtf in god's name is that all about!!!??

I have my daggers/axes/bows in sharpened and precise, i got my resto's in precise, sharpened, infused and powered.

In well over 100 runs i have dropped 1x Defending Lightning staff, 2x Precise Inferno staffs and 1x Infused Inferno staff (today)

jeremiah911

3 runs last night:

Resto Staff (Defending)
2 Hand Sword (Defending)
Mace (Defending)
Shield (Infused)
Dagger (Precise)
2 Hand Sword (Charged)
1 Hand Axe (Charged)

Splattercat_83

I've done runs so far.

1) sword and board
Resto staff
2) sword and board
One hand axe
3) sword and board
Resto staff
4) sword and board
Sword and board

Yeah it's starting to get on my nerves a bit..... also it's been doing a new glitch in there to me, at points I can't do any skills or attacks, ultimate included. I can only dodge roll, and bar swap. Sometimes that fixes it, sometimes it doesn't. I just bar swap to my bow, dodge roll and run like I'm in the Olympics and kite the mobs until it finally unlocks.