Magicka Sorc heavy attack build (outdated-Homestead)

jakeedmundson
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*UPDATED for Homestead

Tested on target skeleton - self buffing only... 30k + is doable. Time your dots correctly and drop ultimates asap.
Single target damage is high with what is essentially an AOE build.

****** Able to hit 35k dps on the target skeleton self buffed. Swapping empowered ward for elemental drain on front bar and casting it myself.

Thanks to @hedna123b14_ESO for some specific input!

This build has great sustain, is very survivable, and does great dps. (30k+ solo) Not topping the charts but it still hits pretty hard. 30k is easy to reach - up to 50k in execute with trial buffs.

Currently my favorite character/build to use.
- completed vAA, vHRC, vSO Hardmode and breezed through vMA.

2 pc Illambris + 3 pc Infallible + 5 pc Necropotence (Julianos or TBS still works well too) + Maelstrom lightning staff and 1 Sharpened inferno staff (ideal to use another IA staff but they are hard to find)

Race
Altmer

Mundus Stones
Thief (and Shadow if TBS is used)

Weapons Sharpened/precise works
Main - Maelstrom lightning staff sharpened - Finally found one after 60+ drops
Back bar - IA inferno/lightning staff with spell damage enchant (i use an off set staff - can't find an IA one)

Armor 5 - 1 - 1 All enchanted with magicka
Head - Illambris helm - H Infused
Chest - Necro robes - L Infused
Shoulders - Illambris - M Infused (would prefer divine here but can't find one)
Waist - Necro belt - L divine
Hands - Necro gloves - L divine
Legs - Necro pants - L Infused
Feet - Necro boots - L divine

Jewelry with spell power enchants
IA neck and rings

Skills
Front bar lightning staff - Daedric Prey --- Empowered ward --- Elemental Blockade --- Volatile Familiar --- Inner Light --- Shooting Star
Back bar Inferno staff - Mages Wrath --- Boundless storm --- Liquid Lightning --- Volatile Familiar --- Power Surge --- Shooting Star (really a personal preference here but i double slot meteor for simplicity)

Rotation
Power surge > Boundless Storm > LA > Liquid Lightning > bar swap > Elemental Blockade > LA > Familiar Pulse > LA > Curse > Hold Heavy attack x 2 > Curse > LA> Familiar Pulse > LA> Blockade > bar swap > Liquid Lightning > repeat. It basically walks through each skill while weaving... then goes back through in reverse because the dot times are odd. Think of the rotation like a metronome.
Drop meteors every time they pop up (unless you wanna save for bosses) and then continue the cycle but only apply surge every 3 cycles and boundless storm every other cycle.
- The idea is to keep all of your dots up as much as possible. Curse being the big one for your familiar pulses. On the target dummy i've seen it hit for 12k or so (5k+ dps)

Attributes
64 points in Magicka

CP Allocation - i'm at 600 cp
Warrior - nothing abnormal here... distribute in elemental defender, hardy, thick skinned... with a few in bastion and quick recovery
Thief - same here... max out magician and the rest go in magicka recovery. You don't have sustain issues with this build because you don't spam skills.
Mage - 90ish in elemental expert, 35ish in elfborn, 75 in thaumaturge
Edited by jakeedmundson on November 28, 2017 2:28PM
CP690
Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
PS4 - DC
vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • Tremors
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    I use this full time now, my build is not exactly as you've said, as I have my own rotation and gear is a little different. You've missed a few points, e.g Aether is better than elegant and a lightning staff for your wall bar is better than fire. I'll post a bloodspawn here later, managed a 45s so far without an ultimate or guard, so this can definitely push some serious DPS.
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  • Waffennacht
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    Is this not NoS' build pretty much?
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  • Tremors
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    Is this not NoS' build pretty much?

    I guess sort of, the concept of using a heavy attack is but his gear and rotation and CP is not.

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  • Waffennacht
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    Curious as there isn't a list of abilities, but what abilities are different?
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  • Tremors
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    Nos's new build uses volcanic rune, illambris and 5 aether. This build above is I guess the same concept, just not as advanced/as good.
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  • Minalan
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    This build works out better for magicka DK's. They have an ability to buff staff heavy attack damage considerably.
  • Tremors
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    Minalan wrote: »
    This build works out better for magicka DK's. They have an ability to buff staff heavy attack damage considerably.

    This is untrue, its good on a mag DK yes but also very very good on a sorc.
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    Godslayer | Dawnbringer
  • Waffennacht
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?
    Gamer tag: DasPanzerKat NA Xbox One
    1200+ CP
    Battleground PvP'er

    Waffennacht' Builds
  • Minalan
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    The one place where elegance DPS increase really counts is overload.

    I mean.. 20% of a 30K crit on a mob is going to be considerable.
  • Tremors
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    Passionfruit GM - PC NA
    Godslayer | Dawnbringer
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...
  • Tremors
    Tremors
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).
    Passionfruit GM - PC NA
    Godslayer | Dawnbringer
  • jakeedmundson
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.
    Edited by jakeedmundson on October 5, 2016 12:16PM
    CP690
    Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
    Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
    Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
    PS4 - DC
    vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

    My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • jakeedmundson
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    Is this not NoS' build pretty much?

    I looked up those builds too... the idea of heavy attacking is absolutely the same but i tried to put something together with the gear i had available.
    CP690
    Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
    Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
    Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
    PS4 - DC
    vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

    My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • Apherius
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    Serious ... and after people will say that Magicka sorcerer is cheat because:
    1) overload , burst dps
    2) heavy attack build, burst dps

    And normal player like me , who play with real rotation ... skill that are expensive... not infinite mana ( yes , you have infinite mana when your main damage is a Heavy attack and when you use overload ) ... will be nerf .... .
    i'm sure that it's a exploit , the 75 point bonus on the ritual star , give you 10% more damage if you stun boss ... ( you can't stun boss ) but apparently this work , and you have always 10% more damage with the elemental blockade of lightning .

    But it's a good build , GG to the first person who find this build , and GG to you if you find this alone ;)
    Edited by Apherius on October 5, 2016 12:08PM
  • Fettkeewl
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    My 2 cents:
    Sharpened inferno staff
    5 pc elegant
    5 pc Vicious Death

    Front Bar:
    Force pulse, daedric curse, mages wrath, frags + inner light.

    Start an ambush by procing frag with either curse or inner light, charge upp full heavy attack and release with a following frag.
    Drops most non heavy to execute range.

    If it's not enough, while they are downed by frag, curse + full HA Followed by proc or pulse!


    Rince and repeat, I love it.

  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    Sure:)
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    Fettkeewl wrote: »
    My 2 cents:
    Sharpened inferno staff
    5 pc elegant
    5 pc Vicious Death

    Front Bar:
    Force pulse, daedric curse, mages wrath, frags + inner light.

    Start an ambush by procing frag with either curse or inner light, charge upp full heavy attack and release with a following frag.
    Drops most non heavy to execute range.

    If it's not enough, while they are downed by frag, curse + full HA Followed by proc or pulse!


    Rince and repeat, I love it.

    Im pretty sure this build is for PvE not PvP
  • WillhelmBlack
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    I used similar (I don't have infallible tho') last night on vHRC, decent AoE DPS and Overload LA was hitting up to 44k on the Warrior. I've always wondered if Bound Armaments is worth a look to?
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  • jakeedmundson
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-highly-improbable-but-possibly-workable-sorc-build/

    This build?

    so i should try dropping the staff expert cp... focus more on the usual cp allocations

    the only thing i hate doing is using potions for a build... plus, how are you surviving with no self heal and no ward? Just relying on healers doesn't usually end well for me in vet trials :| I can avoid a lot of things but you're GOING to take damage constantly. I'm not knocking your build at all btw, just curious and asking questions.

    Edit: would using kena be worth it here until illambris comes into play? or is procing kena a pain in the A with lightning staff?
    Edited by jakeedmundson on October 5, 2016 2:00PM
    CP690
    Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
    Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
    Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
    PS4 - DC
    vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

    My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-highly-improbable-but-possibly-workable-sorc-build/

    This build?

    so i should try dropping the staff expert cp... focus more on the usual cp allocations

    the only thing i hate doing is using potions for a build... plus, how are you surviving with no self heal and no ward? Just relying on healers doesn't usually end well for me in vet trials :| I can avoid a lot of things but you're GOING to take damage constantly. I'm not knocking your build at all btw, just curious and asking questions.

    Edit: would using kena be worth it here until illambris comes into play? or is procing kena a pain in the A with lightning staff?

    Its healer's job to heal you, if you cant trust in them thats a problem, but thats why you keep ward, outside of that you wont need much healing since youll be at range and not a lot of damage there.

    I dont like Kena for any build, so no I wouldnt go with it.
  • jakeedmundson
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-highly-improbable-but-possibly-workable-sorc-build/

    This build?

    so i should try dropping the staff expert cp... focus more on the usual cp allocations

    the only thing i hate doing is using potions for a build... plus, how are you surviving with no self heal and no ward? Just relying on healers doesn't usually end well for me in vet trials :| I can avoid a lot of things but you're GOING to take damage constantly. I'm not knocking your build at all btw, just curious and asking questions.

    Edit: would using kena be worth it here until illambris comes into play? or is procing kena a pain in the A with lightning staff?

    Its healer's job to heal you, if you cant trust in them thats a problem, but thats why you keep ward, outside of that you wont need much healing since youll be at range and not a lot of damage there.

    I dont like Kena for any build, so no I wouldnt go with it.

    got it... thank you for the input! very helpful... i'll give this another go tonight with some changes thrown in the mix.

    would be nice to see those lightning staff ticks hitting for more than 8-9k!
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  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-highly-improbable-but-possibly-workable-sorc-build/

    This build?

    so i should try dropping the staff expert cp... focus more on the usual cp allocations

    the only thing i hate doing is using potions for a build... plus, how are you surviving with no self heal and no ward? Just relying on healers doesn't usually end well for me in vet trials :| I can avoid a lot of things but you're GOING to take damage constantly. I'm not knocking your build at all btw, just curious and asking questions.

    Edit: would using kena be worth it here until illambris comes into play? or is procing kena a pain in the A with lightning staff?

    Its healer's job to heal you, if you cant trust in them thats a problem, but thats why you keep ward, outside of that you wont need much healing since youll be at range and not a lot of damage there.

    I dont like Kena for any build, so no I wouldnt go with it.

    got it... thank you for the input! very helpful... i'll give this another go tonight with some changes thrown in the mix.

    would be nice to see those lightning staff ticks hitting for more than 8-9k!

    This is a guildie running the build on a sorc:
    http://imgur.com/a/aMIdj 21k+ heavies:)
  • jakeedmundson
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-highly-improbable-but-possibly-workable-sorc-build/

    This build?

    so i should try dropping the staff expert cp... focus more on the usual cp allocations

    the only thing i hate doing is using potions for a build... plus, how are you surviving with no self heal and no ward? Just relying on healers doesn't usually end well for me in vet trials :| I can avoid a lot of things but you're GOING to take damage constantly. I'm not knocking your build at all btw, just curious and asking questions.

    Edit: would using kena be worth it here until illambris comes into play? or is procing kena a pain in the A with lightning staff?

    Its healer's job to heal you, if you cant trust in them thats a problem, but thats why you keep ward, outside of that you wont need much healing since youll be at range and not a lot of damage there.

    I dont like Kena for any build, so no I wouldnt go with it.

    got it... thank you for the input! very helpful... i'll give this another go tonight with some changes thrown in the mix.

    would be nice to see those lightning staff ticks hitting for more than 8-9k!

    This is a guildie running the build on a sorc:
    http://imgur.com/a/aMIdj 21k+ heavies:)

    Seeing those stats is reassuring to me... definitely giving this a go. But i dont' have any moondancer stuff so i'll have to fill it in with elegant or maybe julianos/tbs would be better to pair with IA?
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  • hedna123b14_ESO
    hedna123b14_ESO
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-highly-improbable-but-possibly-workable-sorc-build/

    This build?

    so i should try dropping the staff expert cp... focus more on the usual cp allocations

    the only thing i hate doing is using potions for a build... plus, how are you surviving with no self heal and no ward? Just relying on healers doesn't usually end well for me in vet trials :| I can avoid a lot of things but you're GOING to take damage constantly. I'm not knocking your build at all btw, just curious and asking questions.

    Edit: would using kena be worth it here until illambris comes into play? or is procing kena a pain in the A with lightning staff?

    Its healer's job to heal you, if you cant trust in them thats a problem, but thats why you keep ward, outside of that you wont need much healing since youll be at range and not a lot of damage there.

    I dont like Kena for any build, so no I wouldnt go with it.

    got it... thank you for the input! very helpful... i'll give this another go tonight with some changes thrown in the mix.

    would be nice to see those lightning staff ticks hitting for more than 8-9k!

    This is a guildie running the build on a sorc:
    http://imgur.com/a/aMIdj 21k+ heavies:)

    Seeing those stats is reassuring to me... definitely giving this a go. But i dont' have any moondancer stuff so i'll have to fill it in with elegant or maybe julianos/tbs would be better to pair with IA?

    You can do what we do now - 5 TBS 5 Infal...thats the build that did those screenshots
  • jakeedmundson
    jakeedmundson
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    So hrm... I like both infallible and elegance. However I wanna know is elegance 5th ability (20% more la and ha) actually more dps than the buffed skoria?

    Skoria approximately 10k every 5 secs (let's do this just for quick math) or 2k dps.

    20% of 10,000 is 2k, you would need a LA or heavy attack to reach somewhere around that to gain an additional 2k dps right?

    Wouldn't adding Skoria, so x5 infallible x2 skoria and then x4 something be better for dps?

    I think a main priority here is focusing most damage towards shock (for sorc), so Illambris will definitely be better.

    The Elegance set is OK but the crit on Infal is really nice, however if you have 100% Infal up time on a boss in a trial already, then elegant is possibly better. Currently I'm hitting 16.7k heavy attack ticks, if you negate the 800 bonus from infal, its sub 16k. If you add elegant to this, it's 19k+. Yet to test which would be best.

    your 16.7 heavy attack ticks are fully buffed, meaning that 903 from infal is buffed by CP, crit, lightning damage buffs, etc...youd be losing a lot more than 900 per tick...my guess is between 2 and 4k per tick...

    There he is! Yeah those 16.7k ticks are my bloodspawn ticks so just puncture and pots. You re-bloodspawned your new setup man? I've got a pretty nice rotation down for the heavy attack build I wanna talk to you about and then a one tam drop that I wanna try out (I'm on xbox).

    I'm curious to know what your rotation and build is compared to what i posted?
    your heavy attacks are literally ticking for twice what mine do...

    did some testing on a mammoths and giants in wrothgar and just buffing with surge and holding heavy attack on them non stop... i couldn't see ticks above 10k.... not once. (actually closer to 8-9k average)

    I would REALLY like to make this work because i hate dealing with sustain issues when i use the usual overload build - julianos or tbs + IA or willpower + insert monster set here.

    The reason your build isnt working that well is because of several factors.
    1. Your CP is mostly in staff expert, while staff damage will only take around 30% of your damage. Another thing you have to consider is lightning staff heavy attacks are buffed by Thaumaturge, Ele expert AND staff expert. Your other skills will only benefit from ele expert and thaum, thus to maximize your damage you should focus on ele expert and thaum.
    2. Your rotation. Rotation here is key, after literslly hours of testing different skills I have to say that the one I have in my build is pretty optimized. Using surge is a dps loss so I wouldnt include it in my rotation if yoi are doing an endgame build. For casual play its fine.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-highly-improbable-but-possibly-workable-sorc-build/

    This build?

    so i should try dropping the staff expert cp... focus more on the usual cp allocations

    the only thing i hate doing is using potions for a build... plus, how are you surviving with no self heal and no ward? Just relying on healers doesn't usually end well for me in vet trials :| I can avoid a lot of things but you're GOING to take damage constantly. I'm not knocking your build at all btw, just curious and asking questions.

    Edit: would using kena be worth it here until illambris comes into play? or is procing kena a pain in the A with lightning staff?

    Its healer's job to heal you, if you cant trust in them thats a problem, but thats why you keep ward, outside of that you wont need much healing since youll be at range and not a lot of damage there.

    I dont like Kena for any build, so no I wouldnt go with it.

    got it... thank you for the input! very helpful... i'll give this another go tonight with some changes thrown in the mix.

    would be nice to see those lightning staff ticks hitting for more than 8-9k!

    This is a guildie running the build on a sorc:
    http://imgur.com/a/aMIdj 21k+ heavies:)

    Seeing those stats is reassuring to me... definitely giving this a go. But i dont' have any moondancer stuff so i'll have to fill it in with elegant or maybe julianos/tbs would be better to pair with IA?

    You can do what we do now - 5 TBS 5 Infal...thats the build that did those screenshots

    fantastic.... done deal!
    Thank you again!
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  • Xvorg
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    Minalan wrote: »
    This build works out better for magicka DK's. They have an ability to buff staff heavy attack damage considerably.

    This is untrue, its good on a mag DK yes but also very very good on a sorc.

    I think it is better with a mageblade. Especially wth a flame staff (since you can go full heavy attack out of nowhere)
    Edited by Xvorg on October 5, 2016 3:41PM
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  • Tremors
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    Xvorg wrote: »
    Minalan wrote: »
    This build works out better for magicka DK's. They have an ability to buff staff heavy attack damage considerably.

    This is untrue, its good on a mag DK yes but also very very good on a sorc.

    I think it is better with a mageblade. Especially wth a flame staff (since you can go full heavy attack out of nowhere)

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  • Tremors
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    I used similar (I don't have infallible tho') last night on vHRC, decent AoE DPS and Overload LA was hitting up to 44k on the Warrior. I've always wondered if Bound Armaments is worth a look to?

    I thought about bound arnaments too but I just don't believe it's worth the DPS loss on every other skill from losing 3-4K max magicka. Especially because the max magicka is adding a bunch of dmg to everything anyway. Like Hedna said, the heavy attacks are only around 30% of your DPS.
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